telemarketing: I'm not local. How do you avoid meet ups/"wants local" kind of deal

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Hey Guys,

I'm not in the US and I just wanted to ask what's your advice when clients want to meet up to close the deal? How do you avoid this and any initial objection killer setup to avoid getting into this situation??

All ideas are appreciated. thanks!
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
    Personally? Be local
    Since you are not why not just explain that to them. If they still object just move on to the next and make a note for when they next come up on your list.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    2 Ideas for you here to answer your question directly:

    1: One call cold close

    It will take alot of numbers dialing and alot of practice but you CAN learn to close in one call on cold calls.

    Most people around here do it with warm ones though.

    2: Create Warm Leads:

    Here is the simplest way:

    Place ads in free and paid publications that entice people to call in based on a free offer (like the yellow pages does), then when they call in, present them with premium options that make the free option look so drab, that they at least want to upgrade to a small "paid" package with some actual "features".

    You should be able to close 1 out of three or four call ins on a bigger premium package, or even have a higher closing ratio than that.

    In short, offer something for free, then upsell the call ins.

    What I would do, is place ads , offering something free, then when people call in - Upsell them to a paid package.

    Use a "Loss Leader".

    When people call YOU as opposed to the other way around its easier to close them in one call on the phone.

    There are other ways to advertise, such as affiliates, flyers... but you get the picture.

    Create an offer that drives peoples curiosity just to the point of calling in...no further...dont try to sell anything in your ads... then once you have their interest and have them on the line, you have leverage, and you have identified them as a person in your market, you have them in your pool, now upsell them on the phone.

    Thats the easiest way. You could try to sell them right in your ads, but it will decrease the response rate, and you will get a SMALL handful of tire kickers who are skeptical about your offer (Not always more "qualified" as theory suggests), instead of getting a LARGE pool of enthusiastic people who are anticipating something great to happen on the phone, and who are already in excited mode (Not always just freebie seekers, as some may suggest).

    You will actually find more sales in a pile of excited people who are anticipating something positive, than with a pile of people who have been screened and qualified and are skeptical before they call, even though there is some interest... Would you rather have 4 "qualified" prospects per week calling in and closing maybe one of them...or would you rather have 40 excited people responding to a free ad, who may or may not be qualified but are excited, of whom you can sell ten out of the 40?

    Number two is my advice.

    Take it or leave it, this is just what I know from experience.

    -John

    Ps. There is a reason Willy Crawford has the biggest maling list perhaps on the Warrior forum, its called a "Loss leader". He aint afraid of freeby seekers, he understands their true value and the numbers. He understand the value of having a person "come to YOU" and join your pool at ANY price, or lack thereof.

    If you work too intensely on "qualifying" then you qualify out alot of people who would have been buyers, had you drawn them in with a sense of anticipation and positive expectation, instead of qualifying them out.

    There are two schools of thought on this, and alot of it depends on your model and whether you are selling thousand dollar sites or $50,000 ones. But for what I believe you are after.... Place free ads and go for volumes of prospects calling in. you will get more sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author Heart Cardio
    I agree that it is best to be local. But let them know up front where you are, and how you would like to close the deal. Then they will at least know up front.
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  • Profile picture of the author CudaFish
    John's advice here is golden.

    To add, try and stress your availabity as far as phone and email support, and try and meet with a screen sharing program so they feel its a bit more personal.

    For an advanced tactic, tell them. "Listen. Your in...Texas right? Ok perfect. If that's what it takes to prove that we can do some amazing things together, I'll fly out to Texas next week to meet with you and sign the contract. Sound fair enough?"

    They'll never suggest you fly out to them. Ever. But they WILL sign your contract and give you their credit card info

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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      francisj; You have had some seasoned advice given to you here.

      Always use what you have. You're in the Philippines. How is that to your advantage? It's all in how you position yourself. And always bring up the objection (out of the USA) before they do. If they bring it up, you are on the defensive. If you bring it up, it's an advantage.

      "Bob, I can do something for you that you won't find anywhere else...Every SEO (or whatever service you sell) company outsources the actual work...usually to someone in the Philippines, where i live. So I can save you the middle-man, and be your direct source for (again, whatever it is that you sell). You save money, and you get faster results...because information doesn't have to be relayed through a third party. Would you like to deal with a reseller, or with me directly?"

      And if someone asks why everyone uses experts in the Philippines, just say "We speak perfect English, charge less, and deliver on time. That's why so many sellers use us. Would you want to pay a reseller, or deal direct?"


      That's how you overcome, what you perceive to be a problem.

      Oh, and why don't you sell locally? Business owners where you live need help too. Am I right?
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


        "Bob, I can do something for you that you won't find anywhere else...Every SEO (or whatever service you sell) company outsources the actual work...usually to someone in the Philippines, where i live. So I can save you the middle-man, and be your direct source for (again, whatever it is that you sell). You save money, and you get faster results...because information doesn't have to be relayed through a third party. Would you like to deal with a reseller, or with me directly?"
        I love this so much that I want to add to it Claude!

        Before saying what Claude says you might emotionally and morally obligate them with a tie down like

        "Bob, you arent one of those guys that has trouble doing business with Phillipino's are you? Good, Im glad you aren't closed minded, because, I can do something for you that you won't find anywhere else...Every SEO (or whatever service you sell) company outsources the actual work...usually to someone in the Philippines, where i live. So I can save you the middle-man, and be your direct source for (again, whatever it is that you sell). You save money, and you get faster results...because information doesn't have to be relayed through a third party. Would you like to deal with a reseller, or with me directly?"

        Note: Now this guy is going to do all it takes not to lose your opinion of him being open minded, and not closed minded.

        Edit: You might change the word "Phillipino's" to: "Bob, you arent one of those guys that has trouble doing business with people from other countries are you?"
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      • Profile picture of the author francisj
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        francisj; You have had some seasoned advice given to you here.

        Always use what you have. You're in the Philippines. How is that to your advantage? It's all in how you position yourself. And always bring up the objection (out of the USA) before they do. If they bring it up, you are on the defensive. If you bring it up, it's an advantage.

        "Bob, I can do something for you that you won't find anywhere else...Every SEO (or whatever service you sell) company outsources the actual work...usually to someone in the Philippines, where i live. So I can save you the middle-man, and be your direct source for (again, whatever it is that you sell). You save money, and you get faster results...because information doesn't have to be relayed through a third party. Would you like to deal with a reseller, or with me directly?"

        And if someone asks why everyone uses experts in the Philippines, just say "We speak perfect English, charge less, and deliver on time. That's why so many sellers use us. Would you want to pay a reseller, or deal direct?"


        That's how you overcome, what you perceive to be a problem.

        Oh, and why don't you sell locally? Business owners where you live need help too. Am I right?
        I bought your book and yes I sell locally. Its just that I have a call center and still want to target the US, expand my horizons. Your advice is golden. Honestly guys get his book, selling local advertising. Great advice. Cheap on kindle! Thanks.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by francisj View Post

          I bought your book and yes I sell locally. Its just that I have a call center and still want to target the US, expand my horizons. Your advice is golden. Honestly guys get his book, selling local advertising. Great advice. Cheap on kindle! Thanks.
          Francis; Thank you for the compliment.

          The reason you should say what I posted as an answer to "We want to deal with USA companies" is that it completely solves the problem in two ways.
          1) They are now saving money by dealing with you
          2) They are feeling like they are getting the same advantages of buying locally, while dealing with you (because you are the local supplier's source)

          If I can help further, let me know.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Originally Posted by francisj View Post

    Hey Guys,

    I'm not in the US and I just wanted to ask what's your advice when clients want to meet up to close the deal? How do you avoid this and any initial objection killer setup to avoid getting into this situation??

    All ideas are appreciated. thanks!
    There are Two Types of Clients, my friend.

    Those who DO care that you aren't local,

    and

    Those who DON'T care that you're not local.

    Sort.

    Identify and get rid of Type 1 quickly and spend your time & energy on Type 2. You have a mouth and a brain. Ask good questions. What John said just above is the type of question that you can pre-emptively ask.

    I made a vid about overcoming the common objection over a year ago:

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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      There are Two Types of Clients, my friend.

      Those who DO care that you aren't local,

      and

      Those who DON'T care that you're not local.

      Sort.

      Identify and get rid of Type 1 quickly and spend your time & energy on Type 2.
      Exactly.

      If it bothers them then what?

      Click. "Not my market. Neeeext!"
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      • Profile picture of the author CudaFish
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Exactly.

        If it bothers them then what?

        Click. "Not my market. Neeeext!"
        Agreed. The age old adage! Smile and dial! If he has a problem with how you do business, then so what? For every closed minded business owner that has a problem working with someone from the phillipines, there are 5 that will select you for dealing with them openly and honestly.

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        • Profile picture of the author John Durham
          Originally Posted by CudaFish View Post

          Agreed. The age old adage! Smile and dial! If he has a problem with how you do business, then so what? For every closed minded business owner that has a problem working with someone from the phillipines, there are 5 that will select you for dealing with them openly and honestly.

          - Mark Cuda
          Absolutely. By the way, I got your Pm, looking forward to sharing some thoughts... Just purposely giving myself a break from PM's for the weekend. There will be time to PM during PM time.
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          • Profile picture of the author CudaFish
            Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

            Absolutely. By the way, I got your Pm, looking forward to sharing some thoughts... Just purposely giving myself a break from PM's for the weekend. There will be time to PM during PM time.
            Not a problem John, no rush whatsoever.

            Claude, I see the point your making, and while I agree with the possible confusion and trouble you might have with that statement John suggested, if said the right way, it could do a lot for a call.

            Us salesmen always need to control the conversation, and if we have that prospect that knows he needs it and wants it, but wants to keep convincing himself of why he can't, sometimes cracking down on them works well. It could also backfire. All about tonality I'd think. And positioning. And also, and most importantly, WHEN in the conversation you bring it up.

            Thoughts?

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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by CudaFish View Post

              Not a problem John, no rush whatsoever.

              Claude, I see the point your making, and while I agree with the possible confusion and trouble you might have with that statement John suggested, if said the right way, it could do a lot for a call.

              Us salesmen always need to control the conversation, and if we have that prospect that knows he needs it and wants it, but wants to keep convincing himself of why he can't, sometimes cracking down on them works well. It could also backfire. All about tonality I'd think. And positioning. And also, and most importantly, WHEN in the conversation you bring it up.

              Thoughts?

              - Mark Cuda
              Mark; I just deleted my post. After thinking about it, I think I was off base a little. I'm OK with John's edited version. You're adding some valuable insights, by the way.

              Yeah, said as a joke, or later in the conversation would make a huge difference. And after I heard an objection like "I only deal with USA companies", it would be effective, I think.
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              • Profile picture of the author CudaFish
                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                Mark; I just deleted my post. After thinking about it, I think I was off base a little. I'm OK with John's edited version. You're adding some valuable insights, by the way.
                Glad I could be of assistance. I think I know exactly HOW John is imagining the OP saying that line, and it's definitely in a almost concerned/worried/oh no tone. That type of line can really draw the prospect back in and think "wow, this guy is upfront as heck. Maybe....just maybe...he's a legit marketer!"

                And thank you, much appreciated. I'm trying to help whoever I can.

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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    @ Claude,

    Well, it was a bit off the cuff... I didnt really give it much thought, it kinda just struck me...

    Let me try to rethink why I thought that...

    Oh yes.

    I was thinking directly of your Phillipino outsourcing example, and had forgotten that the OP wasnt about that for a moment. I guess I was thinking for a moment that we were trying to overcome the old "Will I get rejected because of my accent..." question. So my answer was more a "killing the elephant in the room" kind of perspective...

    As far as prejudice. I have none, but in general , for alot of people some does exist, I dont think its a "racial" prejudice though... It's more of a "Their sending all our dang Jobs overseas and Im not going to contribute to it" kind of prejudice.

    Again, I dont have it, but alot do.

    All in all, I think I was more just excited about your post and wanted to throw some more creativity on it... might have gotten too zealous there, and not thought it through.

    I dont mind being corrected by a guy like yourself at all Claude. Not just back patting , but ... you know.

    That happens alot when you are just responding to a post you saw, (like clicking a post just because it says "Claude" without thinking about what "thread" you are responding to or in, and thus addressing only the subject of that specific post, out of the context). I sometimes just respond to a single post and that can cause me to be irrelevant. Its something I gotta work on.

    Nowhere in the OP does it mention a fear of being rejected because of a foreign accent. Thats not what this is about. My bad.

    Edit: At Mark... Yes, its all about the delivery. In my own mind it isnt offensive at all because of the way I see it coming across tonally, just exactly the way you described. However, I was thinking for a moment that we were addressing a different issue.

    In fact I hear the tone saying "You are smarter than the other kind of guys arent you Bob?". Understanding that people have issues with stupid things, but you arent stupid, I can tell.

    Basically killing any potential elephant in the room about giving work to foreign countries. Again though, thats not what the OP here is about.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      John: I see now. I should have PM'd you before I posted. Your intent was completely different from what I imagined. I'm glad I deleted my post.

      I learned a lesson here. Thank you.
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    • Profile picture of the author francisj
      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      @ Claude,

      Well, it was a bit off the cuff... I didnt really give it much thought, it kinda just struck me...

      Let me try to rethink why I thought that...

      Oh yes.

      I was thinking directly of your Phillipino outsourcing example, and had forgotten that the OP wasnt about that for a moment. I guess I was thinking for a moment that we were trying to overcome the old "Will I get rejected because of my accent..." question. So my answer was more a "killing the elephant in the room" kind of perspective...

      As far as prejudice. I have none, but in general , for alot of people some does exist, I dont think its a "racial" prejudice though... It's more of a "Their sending all our dang Jobs overseas and Im not going to contribute to it" kind of prejudice.

      Again, I dont have it, but alot do.

      All in all, I think I was more just excited about your post and wanted to throw some more creativity on it... might have gotten too zealous there, and not thought it through.

      I dont mind being corrected by a guy like yourself at all Claude. Not just back patting , but ... you know.

      That happens alot when you are just responding to a post you saw, (like clicking a post just because it says "Claude" without thinking about what "thread" you are responding to or in, and thus addressing only the subject of that specific post, out of the context). I sometimes just respond to a single post and that can cause me to be irrelevant. Its something I gotta work on.

      Nowhere in the OP does it mention a fear of being rejected because of a foreign accent. Thats not what this is about. My bad.

      Edit: At Mark... Yes, its all about the delivery. In my own mind it isnt offensive at all because of the way I see it coming across tonally, just exactly the way you described. However, I was thinking for a moment that we were addressing a different issue.

      In fact I hear the tone saying "You are smarter than the other kind of guys arent you Bob?". Understanding that people have issues with stupid things, but you arent stupid, I can tell.

      Basically killing any potential elephant in the room about giving work to foreign countries. Again though, thats not what the OP here is about.
      Haha, I lived abroad for a few years, killed my accent alot. But yeah, you'd be surprised how many flips = filipinos. don't have "foreign accent".
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by francisj View Post

        Haha, I lived abroad for a few years, killed my accent alot. But yeah, you'd be surprised how many flips = filipinos. don't have "foreign accent".
        Actually I have spoken to a few who sound more American than I do.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    No worries... Claude. Dont lose any sleep man... Like I said as much as we talk here there is bound to be some confusion here and there, you just cringe and go on... Much like a cold call.... You stumble here and there, or hit a bump... you just cringe and go on. Water off a ducks back.

    In fact, if I tried that line, and it didnt work...no worries. I would just cringe and go on.
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  • Profile picture of the author CudaFish
    Don't you just love when everyone realizes we were all thinking the same thing?!?

    And John, what you said last is EXACTLY what I meant. The "oh come ooonnn, your WAY better than everyone else! Am I right? Or am I right?"

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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
    Originally Posted by francisj View Post

    I'm not in the US and I just wanted to ask what's your advice when clients want to meet up to close the deal? How do you avoid this and any initial objection killer setup to avoid getting into this situation??

    If the rules aren't in your favor:

    DON'T PLAY THE GAME!


    Make up your own game.

    There's already some great advice here.

    My best piece of advice would be to niche with a specific service
    or set of services in a specific industry.

    If you're the only person specializing in doing reputation management
    for plastic surgeons then you no longer have any direct competition.

    You can also make a list of prospects to approach using the phone
    book or the internet or even by finding associations in the industry.

    Kindest regards,
    Andrew Cavanagh
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by AndrewCavanagh View Post


      If the rules aren't in your favor:

      DON'T PLAY THE GAME!


      Make up your own game.

      Post of the week!
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  • Profile picture of the author socialentry
    If you're sneaky,you can get a local VOIP phone number and just say you'd rather just close the business over the phone.
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  • Profile picture of the author century90
    Cold calling is good option to close deal. Mostly client don't care this thing you are local or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author NewParadigm
    If your expertise is doing the work in the Philippines, maybe you ought to think about being a partner with many US based internet marketers and let them be your sales front. It brings you credibility w/ the customer while you work in providing top notch service on your end.
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    • Profile picture of the author francisj
      Originally Posted by NewParadigm View Post

      If your expertise is doing the work in the Philippines, maybe you ought to think about being a partner with many US based internet marketers and let them be your sales front. It brings you credibility w/ the customer while you work in providing top notch service on your end.
      It has already been in the works. prior to my post. I just wanted to know what I can say/do without putting that into place, so I know my options before I have the US based IM'ers. I have a group already, but it's something that has a lot of factors and can be a source of a lot of arguments and burned bridges if it's not done properly.

      So I wanted to see both sides of the coin before I make a decision.
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  • Profile picture of the author maricelu
    Claude, I bought your book on Selling Local Advertising and I must say that I like it too, it's very straight-to-the-point. Great job! I don't want this thread be turned into a promotional one but I could not find another place to recommend it and I think many will benefit from buying it.
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    • Profile picture of the author EricGuimond
      If your providing quality and results customers don't give a #*&$ were you are for the most part.

      I travel throughout asia for most of year and its never been a problem, usually there quite interested what I'm up to. I never hide the fact, I usually bring it up and be up-front.

      Explain the value of what your doing etc, I don't know how many times some of my long term customers forward me advetising from local comptitors etc and asked me what I thought about it first, or I was already doing it but they wanted 2x $ etc.

      If you educate, provide quality and RESULTS clients will stay loyal to you no matter were you are.

      Its a global economy, people are much more accepting nowadays IMO

      So answer to qestion would be just to be upfront and positive about it, if its a problem can move on!

      Good luck,

      Eric
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