Dominating Local Search, Youtube and Classifieds... What Else Can I do?

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I'm at a point where lead flow is fairly consistent now, and if I can increase my lead flow just a little bit more, I can really start to scale things the way I want and hire more salesmen.

This is for an offline / home improvement niche.

I still have a lot of room left to dominate local search directories, gain even more prominence in google+, and target more keywords on youtube.

Although Craigslist seems to be at saturation point, in terms of gaining more exposure.

The reasons I love local search, youtube, classifieds, is because I'm a cheap *******. I'm pretty sure I've said this before.

I LOVE doing A LOT of work early on, in a way where I can sit back later, and have "free" leads come in. Craigslist is my largest expense right now, and my expenses for youtube/local search have dropped basically to nothing.

So my question is, WHAT ELSE can I do? I'm greedy. Its a neverending addiction to get more and more leads, as many as possible for as cheap as possible.

My thoughts are to do this:

1) Amp up/dump money into SEO to get more pages/terms from my site ranking.
2) Invest in PPC once I'm ranking better, in hopes of dropping my adspend.
3) Facebook? Maybe PPV, or paying someone to post cool content all day?

I'd prefer to stay way from direct mail. Because customer aquisition costs online have been extremely low (at least between local search and youtube, my costs have dropped down to essentially nothing like I've said).

So what are some other good long term strategies for getting super duper cheap traffic/leads?

Like I said, my mindset here is low cost marketing. I have no issues with spending money to get leads, but I think its the biggest mistake that most business owners make. Like "instead of taking the time to dominate local search the right way... I'll just blow money on PPC". I hate that type of mindset. I'm like the opposite of an instant gratification seeker if that makes sense.

Should I just continue building my prominence up in local directories like yelp/yellow pages/yahoo/bing local/insider pages/super pages etc? I've taken a break for a couple months and leads continue to come in. But I'm thinking it would be smart to really try capitalizing on them... and other listings that I've ignored like merchant circle/citysquares and what not.

I think the problem is my overhead has dropped significantly, so I'm tempted to start blowing money... rather than really capitalize on whats dropped my overhead the most.

What do you guys think?

Its kind of a confusing post but if the goal is dropping overhead/getting as many leads as possible... what is the best long term strategy?

I've made it this far w/out spending a dime on PPC, and love it. I still pay to get 700 ads posted every week on CL, and thats like my only real marketing expense right now. But these are ads I've been testing for over 6 months, so I get a massive ROI at this point. Lots of time/energy upfront, and now its paying off.

PPC will put a huge dent in my overhead, since its something I haven't taken any time to become proficient in. Even if the goal is outsourcing PPC, I would still need to become proficient in it, and that could take a lot of time. I'm smart enough to know that PPC is a huge beast to take on, and wouldn't even consider outsourcing anything until I understood all the magic it takes to make it work. I'm not sure what will give me the most bang for my buck. I feel like since I'm dominating google searches fairly well w/out PPC, it wouldn't really add that much to my funnel.

I'm not even sure SEO would tbpo.

I feel like prominence in all local search directories should continue to be my main focus. As long term, it provides an incredible ROI.

Youtube will also continue, as that provides me a great ROI.

CL will continue, but can't really be improved upon right now.

SEO will add to my overhead, and I already have tons of youtube videos ranking and google places ranking organically for more competitive keywords. But I still feel like SEO should remain a top priority, if anything to reduce PPC adspend when/if I decide to do it.

Then there is social media which I've barely touched on like facebook/twitter. I've ignored them because I just don't feel like these people are in a buyer mindset. But I'm thinking a combination of PPV and testing crazy ads may provide a worthy ROI with enough testings.

I'm basically trying to build the "ultimate low cost funnel".

Where I have the lowest overhead possible.
I came into marketing EXTREMELY paranoid about messing things up, so this mindset has served me well as a newbie, up untill this point. And now I'm wondering what the big deal is, maybe this mindset is actually limiting me?

I'll be honest, I have lots of money to blow, and thats whats freaking me out the most. I'm afraid I'll blow it now with any dramatic changes just because I can.

This post probably doesn't make a lot of sense, because there are too many critical details missing. Like what my current funnel actually looks like, what keywords I'm getting traffic for. But I'm just looking for a vague long term approach for keeping my overhead as low as possible, while increasing lead flow.

-Red
#classifieds #dominating #local #search #youtube
  • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
    This makes perfect sense man.

    I'll give you my take, having worked with many starups and small businesses.

    If you find something that is working for you, chase it down, lock it up, and then squeeze every penny you can out of it. As long as the ROI is positive, invest more. You will reach a point of diminishing returns where investing more doesn't make any sense. Then you know the limit for THAT form of marketing. MAXIMIZE WHAT WORKS BEFORE TRYING OTHER THINGS.

    Also, the goal isn't to merely "use" a form of marketing. The goal is absolute and total DOMINATION of that marketing vertical. You don't want to be a player, you want to be the big freaking godzilla on the block.
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    • Profile picture of the author shockwave
      Red,

      My vote is for Videos. Lots of channels with lots of videos. Domination the quick/low-cost way.

      - Shockwave
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    Excellent, thank you! In the back of my mind thats kind of what I was hoping to hear. =]

    This whole concept of "do I milk more.. or try to add more layers to my funnel?"

    Sometimes figuring out opportunity costs is not always that easy.

    But I really just needed some objective feedback.

    Since I definitely have room left to dominate local search directories and get more exposure with youtube, it would only make sense to "lock up" both of those.

    Not to mention once thats done, it will give me that much more leverage to invest in other platforms when the times comes. Right now, its just not time. Especially if PPC goes wrong, which I know it will at first, I'll wind up becoming distracted ... and thats not something I need right now.

    Thank you for the help! I definitely appreciate it.

    -Red
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  • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
    Sometimes you just need that outside voice.

    I look at it this way - If a local bank was taking my $20 and giving me back $100, would I start using time and energy searching for the one or two other banks who would do this?

    Or, would I use my time loading up wheelbarrows of $20's to take to the bank I KNOW is giving me $100's?

    Personally, I think it is awesome that you have something so cheap that is working!
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  • Profile picture of the author mrmatt
    How about actual print classifieds in the nickel, pennysaver, recycler or whatever other classified ad papers are in your area.

    They are dirt cheap and still very effective. I would bet that you could generate plenty of leads from them at less cost than PPC.

    And these classified ad papers are not nearly as crowded as they once were because everyone just posts on Craigslist since it is free.

    Cost should be around $7-$8 per week for a 20 word ad and usaully about $.15 a word there after. Get a call tracking number to track it if you want to.

    Nobody reads the paper or these classifieds anymore. Nope....just baby boomers with money that don't like that damned interwebnet.
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  • Profile picture of the author maxrezn
    Two things come to mind.

    1) Upgrade your social proof. Your business, upon first glance, should be associated as tried&tested by dozens of previous customers. Video testimonials all over your website (especially if you're doing PPC to that landing page), 40+ reviews on Google Local, etc.

    2) I've made a lot of money with PPC for my auto detailing business...and I barely knew how to do it. Take a calculated risk and set aside a $1,000 Adwords budget. Next, read everything you can by Perry Marshall that you can find. After that, fine tune a landing page jam packed with social proof, unique selling proposition, and all that good stuff. Then run the campaign. You'll get lucky. (Luck= preparation meeting opportunity)

    For guys who don't know much about landing pages...this is a decent start:
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      Red, first off congrats for the lead generation machine you have created.

      I'll go over how you can get more leads.

      First their are 2 types of leads, those that are ready to buy now because
      they know they want the problem fixed.

      It appears all of your marketing is geared to reach this group.

      Now you can still improve your response rates and run more ads
      to this group.

      If you boil marketing down to an easy to understand
      action plan, it's...

      MATHS & PSYCHOLOGY

      You've done the right thing in going after the ready to buy now ones in the market.

      They represent 3 to 5 percent.

      A bigger number is those that are partly aware of the problem,
      but don't know how advanced it is in their home and the implications this may cause.

      An advertorial style newspaper ad will be the ideal approach for these consumers.

      You will need another way to track your calls so you know which media is causing the call. This is the math side. Where you run your ad and what you say in it, is the psychology.

      So in summary,

      1 improve existing ads
      2 run more of them
      3 reach out to those who haven't decided to buy yet by
      using newspaper advertorials
      4 set up tracking so you know where all your leads are coming from

      Look at testing prices higher for the newspaper leads.
      They may be able to bear a higher price point and it also funds
      your ad campaigns.

      And yes price testing for your other leads is a sure way to improve profits.

      Best,
      Ewen
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    Thanks guys, some awesome recommendations in here.

    Max - I love that landing page you posted. The google map right up top makes it look very credible, as opposed to where I have mine now in the bottom right sidebar. I should also link more than just my google reviews on the site, like my yelp/yellow pages/yahoo and what not.

    Considering the fact that I have a nice # of reviews now, it may be worth it afterall to test a few hundred in PPC. Will get back to you via pm soon as I'm done going through my other messages.

    Ewen - You are right about me targeting only immediate buyers. I think your idea is great. I'm wondering if its possible to puy maybe a "quiz" in the paper. Maybe something where I ask 10 trick questions about mold, and name it the "MSMQ" aka Money Saving Mold Quiz. For every question they get right, they get $25 put towards a coupon for future mold remediation. If they get 10 right, they get an additional $50 off for a total of $300.

    But I ask questions like:

    T or F - The Enviromental Protection Agency says that if you can see or smell mold in your home, then you should have the mold tested.

    Answer - F

    The EPA recommends against mold testing.

    I do 10 questions where they are guaranteed to lose. But the quiz positions us as experts, and offers them a unique prize even as a big loser. We can say, "Don't be mad! Just because you lost, doesn't mean you're a big fat loser (lol) - It just means you win a prize for losers.. our FREE REPORT on "How To Pick The Right Mold Contractor If You Don't Know A Thing About Mold In The First Place" etc etc I really have to think this one through haha. I'm pretty sure I'm targeting buyers again it will be more a matter of how I frame the quiz I guess.


    Either way, I love the idea of using the newspaper. I think I just need to get more creative with my marketing.

    - Red
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  • Profile picture of the author markethealth02
    Local seo dude - especialy to find local clients.

    If your in a big city it could be a little more difficult but its well worth it - you dont have to sell your self because they are already looking for your services.
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      Are you driving your ads to a URL or website?

      Then those on your website asking them to fill in a form, a combination of form and phone call, or just a phone call?

      I've seen 2 split test results where only asking the phone call beat the combination approach by 400%.

      The leads from the form were always inferior.

      Your question about the quiz...I see a problem if you are attempting them to drive them online as many newspaper readers use the Internet.

      However you could place the answers at the bottom of the ad, upside down.

      I like the quiz idea because it is a strong involvement device
      which increases readership.

      Think how to reduce the fear of phoning these people have too.

      Best,
      Ewen
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      Are you driving your ads to a URL or website?

      Then those on your website asking them to fill in a form, a combination of form and phone call, or just a phone call?

      I've seen 2 split test results where only asking the phone call beat the combination approach by 400%.

      The leads from the form were always inferior.

      Your question about the quiz...I see a problem if you are attempting them to drive them online as many newspaper readers use the Internet.

      However you could place the answers at the bottom of the ad, upside down.

      I like the quiz idea because it is a strong involvement device
      which increases readership.

      Think how to reduce the fear of phoning these people have too.

      Best,
      Ewen
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  • Profile picture of the author sodomojo
    Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post

    I still pay to get 700 ads posted every week on CL, and thats like my only real marketing expense right now. But these are ads I've been testing for over 6 months, so I get a massive ROI at this point. Lots of time/energy upfront, and now its paying off.



    -Red
    Who are you using for these ads?
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  • Profile picture of the author jgant
    I focus and invest in SEO and PPC. I'm not a PPC expert, but it's still super profitable and passive.

    You can certainly scale existing leads, but you could also take the methods you use that generate the highest ROI and start generating leads in other locations.

    I keep my lead gen biz simple focusing on SEO and PPC. The ROI can't be beat. I'd rather stick with my skills and jump into new markets (within my chosen industry).
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    Thanks guys.

    BTW, I have gotten 4 pms and a request in this thread for my CL poster. I can not give that source up. It is not easy to find a reliable poster, but it is not hard either if you look around.

    All I will say is I found him in the same exact place I found the guy who does all my reviews (yelp/google/yahoo/yellow pages/etc) which is >>blackhatworld.com.

    You can probably post a request on elance as well.

    If you need my review poster I'll give up that source, but my CL poster took 2 failed attempts to find. Make sure you ask them to prove a small batch before you try larger orders.
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  • Profile picture of the author bsummers
    Hi Red,

    Great to know that you have discovered your own lead generation techniques. I do agree to Dan McCoy, Maximize what is working. To add, don't forget to have your back up plan. Just visit your website and found out that you don't have MORE contents on it. My suggestion is you have to update it everyday or if you don't have enough time, have it weekly. What do you think? Integrate SMM and SEO. See this opportunity as a long term one.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    Hey bsummers,

    The content you see on my home page is not all the content that is on the site.
    About half of my backpages have geotargeted links/pages that you may not have seen.

    The site in total is about 61 pages. I have been slowly adding geotargeted towns pages to many of my backpages. And the plan is to get to around 300 but I still have a long ways to go.

    But I definitely agree with what you said. In fact, I just outsourced SEO today on that site. Then I've been getting it ready for PPC as well. Like getting all my online reviews on the site and trying to make the design look a bit better. So basically, my new "plan" is to just do everything.

    ps. I also plan on testing the site this week w/out the form, as I believe what Ewen said makes a lot of sense. About 9/10 leads we get is by phone, and the email leads have always sucked. So I think taking the form off the home page, could definitely show an increase in conversions.

    I've also considered putting a subtle chat box on the bottom, to see if I can get visitors on chat before they leave the page. I figure anything is worth testing at this point.
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