Its mabye rude qus' but can i ask you how mach you make each month from offline martketing?

by gil12
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I earn about 1500-2000$ each month.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eddie Spangler
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    • Profile picture of the author gil12
      Originally Posted by Eddie Spangler View Post

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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        I don't think it's rude. Sure. Go ahead and ask how much I make. I don't mind at all.

        In fact, the way I introduce myself is this;

        "Hi, They call me "The Man With No Name"...Claude Whitacre. By the way, How much money do you make?"

        See? It just rolls off the tongue.
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        • Profile picture of the author Daniel LaRusso
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I don't think it's rude. Sure. Go ahead and ask how much I make. I don't mind at all.

          In fact, the way I introduce myself is this;

          "Hi, They call me "The Man With No Name"...Claude Whitacre. But the way, How much money do you make?"

          See? It just rolls off the tongue.
          So how much do you make?
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Daniel LaRusso View Post

            So how much do you make?
            Sure, why not.

            In 2012, purely from offline sales (meaning online services to offline businesses) I took in $202,000. This is mostly from speaking to groups of brick and mortar business owners. I spoke 8 times last year. Half of this came from two of those speeches. A few sales were from people reading my books and calling me out of the blue. A few were referrals. Some of that money is from Clients I've had for a few years now.

            More money from other sources;
            Book sales on Amazon.com
            Retail sales from my store
            Internet sales in my niche (vacuum cleaners)
            Information product sales to groups of business owners.

            But....I've been doing this for a few years, and I spend a lot of time learning how to do it better.

            If I decided to really put an effort into this, it would be a million a year. Really, and there are people doing that now.


            I have 62 current clients. Only 32 new clients were sold last year. So that really isn't all that great. In fact, millions of people in the US make more than I do. Probably hundreds of Warriors make more.

            This year, I'll make a little less. I'm 58 years old, and am going to be working less hours. I'll be spending more time writing and marketing my books.

            Think I'm bragging? I'm not. Many of my friends make more than I do.

            And the only thing keeping you from making more is that some of us sell bigger packages, and qualify more. And we actually work. Not think about work..actually work, selling to real clients.
            By the way. Avoiding selling doesn't pay as much as actually selling.


            Some of you young guys may be able to relate to this;

            I was living with a woman (nearly married her too) for several years. I was 27 years old. Her ex-husband stopped over to pick up his kids, and of course, had an attitude about me. So he said (without me asking) "Yup! Last year I made $71,000!"

            I said "How old are you?"

            He said "54 years old" (he was much older than her.)

            I said "I'm 27 years old. When I'm 54...I expect I'll be making that much too".

            See? Young people tend to scatter their efforts. Even young business people. I know I did.

            So part of this is experience. My secret? I didn't quit.
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            • Profile picture of the author ADukes81
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              Sure, why not.

              In 2012, purely from offline sales (meaning online services to offline businesses) I took in $202,000. This is mostly from speaking to groups of brick and mortar business owners. I spoke 8 times last year. Half of this came from two of those speeches. A few sales were from people reading my books and calling me out of the blue. A few were referrals. Some of that money is from Clients I've had for a few years now.

              More money from other sources;
              Book sales on Amazon.com
              Retail sales from my store
              Internet sales in my niche (vacuum cleaners)
              Information product sales to groups of business owners.

              But....I've been doing this for a few years, and I spend a lot of time learning how to do it better.

              If I decided to really put an effort into this, it would be a million a year. Really, and there are people doing that now.


              I have 62 current clients. Only 32 new clients were sold last year. So that really isn't all that great. In fact, millions of people in the US make more than I do. Probably hundreds of Warriors make more.

              This year, I'll make a little less. I'm 58 years old, and am going to be working less hours. I'll be spending more time writing and marketing my books.

              Think I'm bragging? I'm not. Many of my friends make more than I do.

              And the only thing keeping you from making more is that some of us sell bigger packages, and qualify more. And we actually work. Not think about work..actually work, selling to real clients.
              By the way. Avoiding selling doesn't pay as much as actually selling.


              Some of you young guys may be able to relate to this;

              I was living with a woman (nearly married her too) for several years. I was 27 years old. Her ex-husband stopped over to pick up his kids, and of course, had an attitude about me. So he said (without me asking) "Yup! Last year I made $71,000!"

              I said "How old are you?"

              He said "54 years old" (he was much older than her.)

              I said "I'm 27 years old. When I'm 54...I expect I'll be making that much too".

              See? Young people tend to scatter their efforts. Even young business people.

              So part of this is experience. My secret? I didn't quit.
              Hey Claude - I am starting a weekly interview "web show" via Google Hangouts and would love to interview you.

              Would you bee interested?

              I hate calling you out in public, but you add a lot of value to the forum and am looking to interview offliners that are actually out there doing it, you are much wiser than I and I know it would be very valuable for everyone that watched it.

              Please let me know if you're interested and have the time for it (10-15 minutes)

              Redshifted - The same goes for you, if you are interested.

              iamnameless - You too!
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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by ADukes81 View Post

                Hey Claude - I am starting a weekly interview "web show" via Google Hangouts and would love to interview you.

                Would you bee interested?

                I hate calling you out in public, but you add a lot of value to the forum and am looking to interview offliners that are actually out there doing it, you are much wiser than I and I know it would be very valuable for everyone that watched it.

                Please let me know if you're interested and have the time for it (10-15 minutes)

                Redshifted - The same goes for you, if you are interested.

                iamnameless - You too!
                Sure. Just PM me, and we'll arrange a time.
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  • Profile picture of the author kellyyarnsbro
    Been with offline marketing not that long yet but I make about $500-$750 a month. Not that huge though but I'm sure I enjoy what I'm doing.
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    • Profile picture of the author gil12
      Originally Posted by kellyyarnsbro View Post

      Been with offline marketing not that long yet but I make about $500-$750 a month. Not that huge though but I'm sure I enjoy what I'm doing.
      Cant be.... i make my sells with emails becuse i have low confidence and i make 1000-1500$ in a month and you use cold calls and make 750$? weird! you try to read scripts?
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      • Profile picture of the author kellyyarnsbro
        Originally Posted by gil12 View Post

        Cant be.... i make my sells with emails becuse i have low confidence and i make 1000-1500$ in a month and you use cold calls and make 750$? weird! you try to read scripts?
        If that's what I only get for now since I just have started then there's nothing you can do about it, what would you expect me to tell? LIES?
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    • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
      Originally Posted by kellyyarnsbro View Post

      Been with offline marketing not that long yet but I make about $500-$750 a month. Not that huge though but I'm sure I enjoy what I'm doing.

      I don't know about you guys but I think this is the coolest
      post and I'll tell you why.

      For most of my life I've been involved in business in one way
      or another.

      I've seen people invest their life savings and mortgage their
      houses, work their nuts off for 2 or 3 years and never even get
      close to making $500-$750 a month.


      In this business $500 a month is one REALLY low paying client.

      And it's nearly all profit.

      You never had to mortgage anything... you can get started today
      bringing in clients and put dollars in your pocket.

      There's really nothing that compares to this business model.

      And with a bit more confidence and experience you can start
      charging $1,500 to $5,000+ per client or an ongoing monthly fee of
      $500 to most of the clients you bring in (that can add up pretty
      quickly to a substantial income).


      You can make a great income with a business where you can leave
      for days or weeks at a time or run it from your laptop anywhere in
      the world.

      You can get started with no real investment and if you work hard
      at it for a few months you've really risked nothing but your time.

      See if you can get a deal like that anywhere else in the business
      world.

      Most of the people on the Warrior Forum have no idea how lucky
      they are to be in this business.

      Kindest regards,
      Andrew Cavanagh
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew H
    Asking how much someone makes in a forum like this is similar to asking someone how big their dick is. Do the usual and subtract 20-70% from the provided number.
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    • Profile picture of the author ADukes81
      Originally Posted by Andrew H View Post

      Asking how much someone makes in a forum like this is similar to asking someone how big their dick is. Do the usual and subtract 20-70% from the provided number.
      I laughed out loud at that one, Andrew. Thank you!
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    I honestly don't think the question is rude. How much money you make, has become personal not because its actually personal, but because of the superficial world we live in.

    Same thing with mens penises.

    10,000 years ago we all walked around with our penises proudly hanging out. If you had a 4" penis, you didn't hide it. Nor did you have to ask anyone how big theirs was. You knew the second you met them.

    I think when people hide their earnings, they're basically reinforcing the fact that we live in a superficial world. Other people could use the excuse, "it shouldn't matter, so I shouldn't have to say it". But to me, you're basically admitting that it does matter, just by doing that. If it doesn't matter, then why not just say it?

    Is it rude to ask someone what type of car they drive? No. Don't people just say it when you ask them? Where I live, 99% of the time they do. It may come off weird if its the first question you ask a stranger, but it depends on context.

    This is a forum centered around money, you would sure as hell think that people would be a lot more open about actually talking about money... for instance how much they make. It just seems like something relevant to talk about. If people are going to judge you for it, thats their problem. If others are going to lie about it, I have to say again, thats their problem.

    You ask people how many brothers/sisters they have no?
    What their hobbies are?

    I just don't understand why money is such a personal matter ... its just paper for shits sake.

    If you make $20,000/yr, cool. I'm not judging. I'd actually respect you more since you're not afraid to say it.

    One more thing, I understand that some people just think its tacky. But I think rich people started that nonsense. A lot of my brothers friends are like that, and I think they're snobby assholes, whether they're talking about money or not.

    In the end, it shouldn't matter at all. Which is why I don't see the big deal.

    As far as myself, I won't give you a monthly number, as it varies fairly dramatically from month to month. But in 2012 I made $160,000.

    In 2011, I made a little over $50,000.

    The year before that, I barely made $20,000. I was working a shitty, minimum wage job back then.

    If I make $10,000 next year, I still won't have a problem saying it. Many garbage men work just as hard as doctors. And how much you make doesn't say a thing about your character as a person.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew H
    But to me, you're basically admitting that it does matter, just by doing that. If it doesn't matter, then why not just say it?
    I think it matters greatly. I always talk to friends that are also involved in business about current earnings. It's probably one of my favourite topics to discuss (different ways to make money, how certain things are working, what things are not, venture investment opportunities).

    The point I am making is that many people have ulterior motives when discussing income, which is mainly ego centred due to the fact that in our society most people will judge a persons status based on their income. When it comes to discussing income in a forum like this there is another layer of bullshittery added with regards to people selling WSO's and services. This coupled with the ego issue mentioned above makes it worthless to ask a persons income in a forum like this. So the point is, take all earning statements with a grain of salt.

    So to answer the OP, I don't think its rude to ask a persons income in most situations. However, don't expect the answer to match reality.

    PS: I make a trillion dollars a year working 2 days a week. I will be releasing a WSO explaining everything. Stay tuned.
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      A better question is "how much profit do you make?"

      You could make $100,000 in a year, while your expenses creating it was $99,000. Not good.

      Marketers in the biz op field like to trot out the income numbers but conveniently leave out their expenses...like ppc, affiliate payments and staff.

      Bit like 3 Texans were comparing who was worth the most.
      At first it was thought it was the one with the most land.
      Turned out it was the guy who owned the least amount of land because
      he owned much of the land where the Las Vegas casinos sit on.

      Best,
      Ewen
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  • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
    $47,261.73 working three hours just one day per week!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author mak25
      The last time I figured it out and did my ciphering, I made a whopping buck three eighty.
      And that was after taxes.
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    • Profile picture of the author robgee123
      Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

      $47,261.73 working three hours just one day per week!!!
      Yeah & you spend the rest of the week sitting on here :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
        Originally Posted by robgee123 View Post

        Yeah & you spend the rest of the week sitting on here :rolleyes:
        Didn't you know that hanging out on WF automatically puts big money in your bank account?
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        • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
          Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

          Didn't you know that hanging out on WF automatically puts big money in your bank account?
          I just checked my bank account and yesterday $2,495 was deposited. Woot.... This really works!!!!

          Oh wait..... my friend got her taxes back and owed me $2,495 from last year.
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  • Profile picture of the author swilliams09
    Depends. I do a variety of things and sell a variety of services. This year I've averaged about a grand a month so far. These were all from existing clients buying extra services, video/website/mobile/graphic design.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marta K
    I think the question like that is a more about what's possible and what is market average. I want to make £60000 this year, if most of you told me you are getting less than that, I'm in trouble. I need to adjust expectations accordingly. It's because we are all suspicious of the hype, when we experience first hand how hard it is to bring income consistently each and every month while starting out.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Marta K View Post

      I think the question like that is a more about what's possible and what is market average. I want to make £60000 this year, if most of you told me you are getting less than that, I'm in trouble. I need to adjust expectations accordingly. It's because we are all suspicious of the hype, when we experience first hand how hard it is to bring income consistently each and every month while starting out.
      Marta; I think you brought up a really really good point.

      In any business (not jobs, independent businesses) you have pretty much the following;

      80% are barely making a living, or are doing it as a hobby. This doesn't mean anything negative. It just means the desire to do more isn't strong enough.

      15% are doing well. Maybe making as much as a good full time income. Let's call it $40,000-$100,000.

      4% are making a great living, more than any one regular job, and are working at the top of their game. And very full time. Let's call it $100,000-300,000.

      1% are Great. They are making a Million a year or more, many with several full time employees. These are owners of larger companies.

      I'm basing that on years of hiring reps, talking with others that do what I do, and a little guessing.

      Dan McCoy's "$47,261.73 working three hours just one day per week!!!" is Nirvana to me. And an incredible feat. That's a worthwhile goal for any of us.

      I can say this with absolute certainty. All you need to know is here. Nobody is hiding any "Secrets". Every approach, ever tool you can use, every answer to any objections, any closes...all here on this Forum. And they are easy to find.

      When someone asks me how to make more money selling, I ask "How many books on selling have you read this month?" After I get the expected answer, I ask "OK, This Year?"

      Donald Trump asked Dan Kennedy (two Giants if anyone fits this description) "What are the three business books you are reading right now?"

      I once showed my business library to a young niece, about 16 years old. She said "Did you read all these books?". At the time, there were about 2,000 or more marketing and sales books on the shelves. I said "Nearly. The ones laying on their side, I haven't read yet."

      She said "Why do you read books when you don't have to for school?"
      My heart sank. She didn't get it.

      I said (paraphrasing from memory) "These are treasure maps. Anything you need to know to get anything you want...somebody has written a book about it. A lifetime of experience is poured into a single book. My library is my best possession"

      She asked "How much did all this cost you?"

      I said "No idea. Over the years, maybe $70...maybe $100,000." (I included the library at work, and all the first editions that cost much more.)

      I hadn't thought about how much all this cost. I was kind of proud of my library.

      She said "You spent that much on books? Someone scammed you!"

      I sighed a little and said something like " I think dinner is ready"

      I love some quotes. Here is one of my favorites.
      "Write something worth reading, or do something worth writing about". Ben Franklin.
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      • Profile picture of the author Robert Domino
        I understand many people being reluctant to divulge their information like this. Kudos to Claude as usual.

        What I did like from another forum I used to visit is anonymous polls.

        Sure, it isn't 100% scientific but it greatly helped people set realistic expectations. And judging by the distribution (following an approximate bell curve) it seemed fairly realistic.

        I'm pretty sure it's going to be the same here: 20% of the forum visitors are going to be making 80%+ of the money.

        As for me personally, my websites are still generating great money on autopilot but I haven't hit an offline homerun yet.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Robert Domino View Post

          I understand many people being reluctant to divulge their information like this. Kudos to Claude as usual.
          I'm pretty sure it's going to be the same here: 20% of the forum visitors are going to be making 80%+ of the money.
          Thank you. Want to know something that just blew me away when I learned it?

          Years ago, I was working at a vacuum cleaner store with a mentor (who owned the store.)

          He knew about the 80/20 rule, and decided to do something radical. He took out the 80% of the vacuum cleaners that were generating 20% of the sales.

          And we kept the 20% that were generating the 80% of the sales.
          Everyone follow me so far?

          Within 90 days we saw that 80% of the remaining vacuums were generating 20% of the sales, and 20% (5 models) were generating 80% of the sales.

          He and I joked that we should narrow it down further to find the one vacuum that would be the winner, and just sell that one model out of his store.

          Of course, the store would have looked funny, with just one product in the entire store, but it would have been a fun (but probably expensive ) experiment.

          And, the 80/20 percentages aren't perfect. Sometimes its 90/10 or even 95/5. But the theory is pretty sound.

          For example, m retail store has about 120 different models on the floor. About 90 could be fake vacuums with no motor, and it wouldn't matter. The store is set up to give the illusion of great selection.

          Really we sell 5 or 6 models nearly always.

          It was an interesting lesson, I thought.
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  • Profile picture of the author EricGuimond
    Hi Claude, great post! Do you have any books that have been the most influential/recommend to start off with?

    Thank you,

    Eric
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by EricGuimond View Post

      Hi Claude, great post! Do you have any books that have been the most influential/recommend to start off with?

      Thank you,

      Eric
      My top books on selling? My library consists of psychiatry, the workings of the brain, NLP, marketing, advertising, selling, and related fields. I have an extensive library of martial arts books, and a small comic book collection (gathering dust).

      Business books for offline selling? (these will be the same for most of us here that read much)

      Pitch Anything
      The Ultimate Sales Machine
      The Feldman Method
      Selling Retail
      Pretty much anything by Dan Kennedy
      Influence
      Triggers
      Any advertising book by John Caples (the early editions)

      You could probably get the entire set for $100-$150 on Amazon.

      Oh, and I wrote a book on selling advertising that's pretty good....
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    Between my disability pension and the money I make from my writing, proofreading and ebay sales I make enough money to pay my rent, electricity, health insurance, a few other bills, groceries, taxi fares, medical bills from more than a dozen specialists, medications (more than 20) the odd movie here and there, and some other bits and pieces.. I can also put money into savings. So add that up and it is how much I make.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
    I make about $65k to $70k per year as a W2 employee doing in house internet marketing.

    I might break $70k this year.

    To get similar pay and benefits if i went out on my own I would need to profit about $100k and you figure that means $150 to $200k in revenue.
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  • Profile picture of the author tac88
    I currently have 26 offline monthly clients that pay anywhere from $125 to $275 !

    Then I have lead generation clients that pay per lead and one is a big car dealer that avg 140 to 200 leads a month at a set price of $8 a lead .

    But there is expense and overhead involved in everything !

    I also have a bunch of services that I have to pay for each month plus outsources and 3 steady employees the employees are bringing home close to $400 a week.

    The services that I have to pay every month are a tax right off but, I still have to lay it out it! It's very expensive. What Runs Where, My Text Service, My Tracking Service, Traffic Geyser, Aweber,SEnuke and I am sure there is more that I am forgetting !

    Plus I have to pay gas and tolls and all my computer programs never lone my advertising and other expenses.

    But I can say I have no wants and everything is running pretty smooth and if I feel like taking a vacation I can at any time!

    Of course they go down as business trips.
    Oh and if my clients do not pay me on time! I have to lay it out also!

    I guess if I had to I could figure out the exact number but that is what accountants are for!

    Best of luck
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  • Profile picture of the author RonnieJSmith
    my local seo clients raked me over 97K last month. But the best thing for me is that my website has been featured on quite a lot of blogs etc. and many hosting companies send referral traffic on CPM basis. I am looking forward to increasing that to over 200K this year. Its tough looking at the current scenario in US. I mean outsouring my content online and offline makes a world of difference.

    How do you guys manage your work outsourcing? Is it done offline or online? Any websites which you can recommend other than those phillipino freelancers etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Marta K
    What I find funny on this forum, is how people sometimes post really basic question, or how they complain they can't get any clients, but in their signature there is link to make 'millions in your sleep with my expert program'. Like, they are linking to 'sell 1000 mobile sites per minute and get them set up in seconds' but they ask what software to use to make mobile site and how much to charge per one. I think that's why it's difficult to believe that anybody is making millions, since the forum is full of newbies who never sold anything but claiming they have a great WSO ... than there are those who are struggling to sell£100 websites and don't believe anybody can really sell one for a £1000, £5000 etc. I sellwebsites for £1000 coz once I sold £200 and it took me exactly the same time to make it. No point bothering with low cost. On the other hand, I never made living with that, just part time, when I needed new kitchen, holidays or sth like that. It's baffling when you see first hand companies that make 15% profit after all expenses, wages, tax - and than you realise you can make exactly the ssame amount with hardly any overheads, without hard fixed costs like heavy machinery, warehouse etc.. the restaurant owner I know, employs 10 people and there is £1000 per week left for him. To get he needs to get £10000 in revenue each week on average. I get the same £1000 out of £1400, so it feels like I'm not having a real business. My friends don't really believe you can make this kind of money from your laptop, from your sofa, they are sure I'm lying to them:-)they are the same friends trying to make pocket money withAvon... my point is, wage and profit expectations are way different here, on the forum and 'out there' in real world of brick and mortar business owners and employees.
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    how much? enough. But I'd rather be making more than enough.
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