My Cold Calling Experience- 7 hours In the Field

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So I decided to delve into cold calling recently to sell Web Design. I've probably called about 13 hours but in all honesty only 7 hours were truly productive, non-stop calling hours. The rest were spent making a few calls with lulls in between each.

I used Jason's into and went with:

"Hi, I’m not sure who I should speak with. My name is ______, and I help dental practices by helping them generate more patients from their marketing. But I don’t know who would have this under theirumbrella there…"

99% of them were actually quite friendly but I was met with nothing but friendly rejection, which actually surprised me. Only 2 gatekeepers passed the phone on to the decision maker and even then I was instantly blown off after telling them why I was calling. That's after hundreds of calls.

What surprised me was that there's people posting about how just a few hours of prospecting should generate at least a few appointments, and I was being blown off so readily. To top it off I'm pretty sure I sound better than most newbies (although I could be wrong lol) because I'm comfortable handling conversations, and I used to be a stage actor, and thus I've had some vocal training years ago. I was a little nervous at first but that vanished after the first 15-20 mins.

So I'm not really sure what was the deal with that.... being that websites are supposedly such an easy sale.

So last minute this evening I decided to start calling to sell reputation management.

I opened with "Hi, is there someone I can talk to about your clinics bad reviews?"and that hooked them instantly. Most of them were shocked and had no idea how to answer so they passed me on to the decision maker. In one hour of calling with that opener I got through to 7 decision makers and set up 2 appointment. Less than half hung up the phone once they found out it was a solicitation call. Most just stayed on because they were either surprised that they had negative reviews or were genuinely interested in seeing how I could help.

I guess avoiding pain (negative reviews) really is a greater motivator than gaining pleasure (getting more patients).

While that's all good I really was excited about doing web design because I thought it would be an easy upsell into SEO, which is what I'd rather do more of because of the recurring income.

So what do you guys think about my experience?

What did I do wrong when trying to go the web design route?

Should I just stick to trying to sell reputation management? (I'm leaning towards this).
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  • Profile picture of the author James English
    Stick with what you enjoy more. That being said, I do reputation management on a monthly retainer just the same as SEO! It's not a one time thing, it's an ongoing solution!
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    • Profile picture of the author Salashwal
      Originally Posted by Trent English View Post

      Stick with what you enjoy more. That being said, I do reputation management on a monthly retainer just the same as SEO! It's not a one time thing, it's an ongoing solution!
      Yeah but I fear reputation management will be a tougher pill to swallow for most business owners. Most businesses have 4-10 keywords that need to be cleared and that's a lot of work hence I'd be charging them $2k and up. If we're talking strictly helping them get more reviews by creating a review funnel then that could be sold for $2-300 with a $50 monthly fee I guess. In all reality though that won't be a real solution for businesses that have bad reviews on Yelp because of Yelp's aggressive review filtering.
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  • Profile picture of the author PaulintheSticks
    I just got started cold calling and my experience has been a little different. I spent about 6 productive hours trying to give away free consultations. I got two appts. and still trying to work out a time for another. Then 2 other days I put in a total of 4 productive hours trying to get people to go to a free online marketing webinar. Zilch! Another day I made 3 calls trying to give away free leads and got one taker. I did most of this before I really had a strategy so was just trying a few things out to see what happened.

    Now that I have a strategy, I'm going to test everything from cold calling, direct mail, ppc (just started a campaign), e-mail, networking, etc. This time I'm going to be meticulous with documentation so I know which is most effective.
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    • Profile picture of the author Salashwal
      Originally Posted by PaulintheSticks View Post

      I just got started cold calling and my experience has been a little different. I spent about 6 productive hours trying to give away free consultations. I got two appts. and still trying to work out a time for another. Then 2 other days I put in a total of 4 productive hours trying to get people to go to a free online marketing webinar. Zilch! Another day I made 3 calls trying to give away free leads and got one taker. I did most of this before I really had a strategy so was just trying a few things out to see what happened.

      Now that I have a strategy, I'm going to test everything from cold calling, direct mail, ppc (just started a campaign), e-mail, networking, etc. This time I'm going to be meticulous with documentation so I know which is most effective.

      Awesome I'll keep a look out for your results.

      I'm on the grind too my friend.
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  • Profile picture of the author PanteraIM
    i wouldn't pitch the receptionist.. why do this? she's not going to buy from you, the owner is. if you directly asked to speak with the owner or practice manager youd have better success. saying that you can land the owner more clients is irrelevant to her, she doesnt care. you can't sell to GKs so dont try. Remember: dont pitch the bi..

    also try something a little less hardco to cut your teeth, like automotive or pizza shops etc. dentists are usually always busy. so you need your A game them brother

    dont give up or switch campaigns. keep dialing
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    • Profile picture of the author Salashwal
      Originally Posted by PanteraIM View Post

      i wouldn't pitch the receptionist.. why do this? she's not going to buy from you, the owner is. if you directly asked to speak with the owner or practice manager youd have better success. saying that you can land the owner more clients is irrelevant to her, she doesnt care. you can't sell to GKs so dont try. Remember: dont pitch the bi..

      also try something a little less hardco to cut your teeth, like automotive or pizza shops etc. dentists are usually always busy. so you need your A game them brother

      dont give up or switch campaigns. keep dialing
      Well I wasn't exactly pitching the receptionists, unless you call this a pitch:

      "Hi, I’m not sure who I should speak with. My name is ______, and I help dental practices by helping them generate more patients from their marketing. But I don’t know who would have this under theirumbrella there…"

      What would you suggest as a better way of getting past the gatekeeper?
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      • Profile picture of the author PanteraIM
        Originally Posted by Salashwal View Post

        Well I wasn't exactly pitching the receptionists, unless you call this a pitch:

        "Hi, I’m not sure who I should speak with. My name is ______, and I help dental practices by helping them generate more patients from their marketing. But I don’t know who would have this under theirumbrella there…"

        What would you suggest as a better way of getting past the gatekeeper?
        You are pitching the receptionist when you say this. This is a benefit statement. In her mind all she hears is TELEMARKETER!

        If you must speak with the GK to get to the owner you should try building rapport with her. Ask her questions, show an interest in how she's doing today, joke around.. she may let you in if you make her feel important and respect her position. At the very least you should try to get the DMs name and call back later.

        When I see that a business has a paid listing in a business directory /w out a website I'll call and say the following:

        'Hello, my name is Matthew. I'm looking to speak with the person in charge of your listing in the xxx directory please.'

        Automatically the GK will ASSUME you are actually FROM the company who sold them their directory listing however this is only implied from this sentence.

        You haven't lied, and that person is almost always the owner unless he doesn't handle business decisions anyway. When you get on the phone with the owner you can quickly clarify who you are and what you are calling about and THEN deliver your benefit statement if that's what you want to do.

        Once I'm on the phone with the decision maker I start the conversation like this..

        'Hello, my name is Matthew calling from Pantera Marketing. I've had a look at your business listing in the xxx directory and noticed you don't have a website shown on your account'.

        I pause here, let the sentence sink in. Make them say something.. anything. A 'not interested', at this point is not a problem because we can use that to our advantage later.... every other cold caller using the same name, introduction, benefit statement formula and it's too predictable.. this sets you up for controlling the conversation at the beginning.

        'And you don't have anyone working on your website at the moment, is that right?'

        'Oh interesting.'

        'Do you mind if I ask why you haven't got around to this yet..? Was it just the money or do you just not have the time to do everything yourself'..

        That's how I start my calls.
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      • Profile picture of the author maricelu
        Originally Posted by Salashwal View Post

        Well I wasn't exactly pitching the receptionists, unless you call this a pitch:

        "Hi, I’m not sure who I should speak with. My name is another salesman, and I help dental practices by helping them generate more patients from their marketing. But I don’t know who would have this under theirumbrella there…"
        Tried this too and didn't worked very well. Try shortening this and do not pitch to the gatekeeper, instead ask for the person who can make decisions.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Try the strategy in THIS free report, almost everyone who touches it goes gold!

    If you are a person who is willing to keep going with a script even after seven hours of rejection, then there is no reason you cant do well if you have a good strategy. This one is definitely proven... and has stood the test of time. Not plugging, because I dont sell anything in it, just saying that if you have that kind of work ethic you should be getting results, and you deserve them!

    http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...rting-now.html

    Good luck,

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    • Profile picture of the author alnodeya
      If you are still keen on web design then may I suggest the following to get a lot higher success rate:

      1) Find a business without a website or one that needs a total makeover/ new one. Especially if the current site is not mobile friendly and you cant tap on a phone number to automatically make a call (there are lots of other reasons too but this is just one example)

      2) Build only two pages for them. The home or contact page as an example. For remodelled sites borrow logos photos etc if the quality is any good from the existing site. Just make sure the two pages are miles better than the existing site. I buy a $15 template from Themeforest. If I land a customer I will buy the Wordpress version if it is warranted for that business. Keep on using that template until you get a sale.

      3) Screenshot and save the completed pages.

      4) Call up the business owner. Tell them you have noticed that their site is old and not mobile friendly. Make them feel that they are missing out on customers making purchasing decisions on the run etc. Research mobile purchasing patterns if you want to. If they say no then say to them something like ... 'Thats no problem, but I have actually created a sample site for you and I think you would love the look of it. Can I send it to you regardless? My rates are extremely competitive as well.' ... They generally say 'ok'. Set a time with them to follow up. I like to give them 2 or 3 days.

      5) For those that say yes you then complete a proposal document. Tell them about your business, highlight the constraints of their current site, and the benefits of the new site. Include your price. Make a quick note of how many pages this quote covers. I normally use a figure of the number of pages in their current site plus 2 more pages. Add the screenshots of the dummy web pages you created and remind them that this is a sample of what they could receive, not the whole site. Convert into a PDF file and send it.

      6) Follow up on the email with a call 3 days later. Convert over the phone. Profit!!

      This has worked for me much more successfully than cold calling with nothing to show. I have tried to streamline the operation, and I obviously suggest you (and anyone else wanting to do this) do the same. I give myself 1.5 hours to put the two pages together, then another .5 hrs to complete the proposal document. I have a very professional template.

      In your 7 hours of cold calling you could potentially complete 3 of these opportunities and you will land at least one of these as a client. The more you do it the more efficient you are at churning them out.

      You could save even more time by lying to the potential client in saying that you have done a sample for them. But obviously they will have to wait fir 2 hours as you create everything. If they say no regardless then you have saved 1.5hrs design time, but I don't wish to do that. (That's just a personal decision for me, I'm not judging you ).

      They get onside very quickly if they can see what their site may look like within 30 mins of getting off the phone to you.

      If you knock out 2 of these per day (at 4 hours per day) Monday to Friday (10 per week) then you will get at least two sign ups. The quality of your sample site, your telephone manner and your proposal will obviously have a bearing on this also. How you price will determine how many you plan to achieve per week.

      Just my thoughts if you don't want to go down the reputation path.
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    • Profile picture of the author Salashwal
      Originally Posted by PanteraIM View Post

      You are pitching the receptionist when you say this. This is a benefit statement. In her mind all she hears is TELEMARKETER!

      If you must speak with the GK to get to the owner you should try building rapport with her. Ask her questions, show an interest in how she's doing today, joke around.. she may let you in if you make her feel important and respect her position. At the very least you should try to get the DMs name and call back later.

      When I see that a business has a paid listing in a business directory /w out a website I'll call and say the following:

      'Hello, my name is Matthew. I'm looking to speak with the person in charge of your listing in the xxx directory please.'

      Automatically the GK will ASSUME you are actually FROM the company who sold them their directory listing however this is only implied from this sentence.

      You haven't lied, and that person is almost always the owner unless he doesn't handle business decisions anyway. When you get on the phone with the owner you can quickly clarify who you are and what you are calling about and THEN deliver your benefit statement if that's what you want to do.

      Once I'm on the phone with the decision maker I start the conversation like this..

      'Hello, my name is Matthew calling from Pantera Marketing. I've had a look at your business listing in the xxx directory and noticed you don't have a website shown on your account'.

      I pause here, let the sentence sink in. Make them say something.. anything. A 'not interested', at this point is not a problem because we can use that to our advantage later.... every other cold caller using the same name, introduction, benefit statement formula and it's too predictable.. this sets you up for controlling the conversation at the beginning.

      'And you don't have anyone working on your website at the moment, is that right?'

      'Oh interesting.'

      'Do you mind if I ask why you haven't got around to this yet..? Was it just the money or do you just not have the time to do everything yourself'..

      That's how I start my calls.
      Beautiful. I'll try this out today and post my results later tonight.


      Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

      Try the strategy in THIS free report, almost everyone who touches it goes gold!

      If you are a person who is willing to keep going with a script even after seven hours of rejection, then there is no reason you cant do well if you have a good strategy. This one is definitely proven... and has stood the test of time. Not plugging, because I dont sell anything in it, just saying that if you have that kind of work ethic you should be getting results, and you deserve them!

      http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...rting-now.html

      Good luck,

      John Durham
      Thanks for all the feedback John. I read through that report, and it seems that the script is based off of knowing the business owners name. What I was actually doing was going through Google Places listings and calling business that didn't have a website, so 9/10 I didn't know the business owners name.

      Either way, I might be dense but I'm missing how the script in the report would help me get past the gatekeeper (which seemed to be my biggest problem).

      Originally Posted by ronr View Post

      Dentists are one of the most competitive niches and hardest to reach.
      Lol, so I see.

      Originally Posted by Deidra Renee View Post

      You should stop calling dentists immediately lol Or if you insist, try calling them like maybe before 8am or after around 5pm, they MIGHT be available then. I've never seen my dentist answer his own phone or even get on the phone while I was in the office for that matter.

      Next, where are your leads coming from? You need a targeted list with the owner's name or at least to make sure they actually don't already have a website. As everyone else stated; your intro is pitching the receptionist. She already knows it's a sales call and you really can't convince her otherwise at that point so you're pretty much doomed from the start.

      In my experience it's pretty easy (well easier) to sell websites to contractors over the phone. They're business number is sometimes their cell number, so you don't really have to go through gatekeepers. If you want to do the demo site thing you can go that route, but believe it or not (and most people DON'T) but you can close a website deal over the phone. If you do have a demo or your portfolio you can ask them if they have access to their email NOW and you can send it over to them while they're on the phone (see how this won't really work with a dentist? they're too busy) OR you can get their email, tell them you're going to send it and give them a call back in about 30 minutes. Who needs 3 days to look at a website and decide if it's right for them or not? It's not a life or death decision. That's time wasted you can be on to the next at that point.

      So, switch up who you're targeting and try again and see if the results are different, but you have to give it more than a day and you also have to stop going by other people's results. Just because sales come easy or someone makes a sale cold calling their first day doesn't mean YOU will, not that you can't but just don't go by everyone else's results. Find what's going to work for you and stick to it.

      When I heard setting appointments was easy, I did it, got to the appointment and couldn't sell the man for the life of me so I was over that lol I'm better at selling over the phone, some people are better at building rapport and all of that in person, it just depends on the person, but you have to give it more than 7 hours and 1 day.

      Yeah I was using Google Places, to find businesses that didn't have a website. I could easily do the same in other niches, which is exactly what I plan on doing as soon as I'm done with this post. My plan was to set up phone appointments and line them up (as soon as I can start generating them lol), and if anyone misses an appointment I was going to get right back on the phone until the next appointment for 3-4 hrs a day.

      It's definitely encouraging to hear about your success Deidra!

      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      The wording I suggest is not the same: "Hi, my name is ____...maybe you can help me. I'm not sure who I should speak with...I usually talk to the person who takes care of _____. But I'm not sure who that would be there..." Big difference.
      Ahhh... I see. THAT's what I was missing!

      Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

      No complaining Salashwal.

      Remember this, the ONLY thing that matters is results. It simply doesn't matter what you want to sell. It only matters what you can sell.

      So, if you are sucking at webdesign with Dentists, but RepMan is going OK, it's time to switch gears to that. Success is about finding something that works better than others, and pushing that angle until money is in your bank.

      If you are intent on web design, find another target market if dentist isn't working for you. Personally, I think that would be a bone headed move. That RepMan line is great, and if it is getting you on the phone - take it to the next level! Try that one 300 times and see what the results are! It isn't even something you should think about.

      Success builds on success. If you find something that works - chase it all the way down to then end. Call every damn Dentist in the world. Hell, start Dental Reputation LLC and build a whole business around it.

      Just today - very first call - the DM was in a meeting. So I made nice and was told to call back after 1:30pm. I spent the next hour and a half getting slaughtered on the phone. This was a bad day. I made 100 calls and threw in the towel.

      After 1:30 - I called that DM back and now I have a solid appointment for next week. Just think, the first number I called was also the last number I called, and the only positive result I had today. But still...I am happy because you just gotta keep moving forward.
      Sir, yes sir!
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Whats the point of saying "Im unsure whose umbrella that falls under..." when you can just make a list that gives you the owners name?

    You can just say "Hi Is bob around?", because you have his name right in front of you.

    -John
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Very revealing post. I applaud your effort.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        Very revealing post. I applaud your effort.
        Yeah I really dug his pitch on rep management. Makes me want create something around the concept and try it...Oh well, there are so many things a man can do...but this post is really the first one that ever made me really spin my head on rep management and think "Wow, that could be an easy sale". I mean it seems pretty rational with the way he approached it here that it would definitely open some doors.
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        • Profile picture of the author ronr
          Good job You've already done more than most people are willing to do. If web design is what you want to do. Why not start with a less competitive market? Dentists are one of the most competitive niches and hardest to reach.
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          • Profile picture of the author John Durham
            Originally Posted by ronr View Post

            Good job You've already done more than most people are willing to do. If web design is what you want to do. Why not start with a less competitive market? Dentists are one of the most competitive niches and hardest to reach.

            I agree. I would not go for ANY specific niche right away.... I would call a list of mixed niches and see which one I did best in.

            Dentists are like TEN TIMES the difficulty level of alot of other niches...like say "antique shops..." or something.

            -John
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            • Profile picture of the author ronr
              Exactly John, we've been doing a number of tests for our students with email, cold callings and found that we had more success with cold calling with mom and pop type of businesses where you can actually talk to the owner rather than a dentist type or other professional. That makes sense for obvious reasons.

              What is also interesting is that when emailing those same mom and pop businesses the response was pretty good but the closing ratio low. However when we emailed dentists, the response rate was much lower but the close rate was much higher.

              So good advice to use the shotgun approach first then become sniper and zoom in and go after the more responsive niches.

              Ron



              Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

              I agree. I would not go for ANY specific niche right away.... I would call a list of mixed niches and see which one I did best in.

              Dentists are like TEN TIMES the difficulty level of alot of other niches...like say "antique shops..." or something.

              -John
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  • Profile picture of the author Deidra Renee
    You should stop calling dentists immediately lol Or if you insist, try calling them like maybe before 8am or after around 5pm, they MIGHT be available then. I've never seen my dentist answer his own phone or even get on the phone while I was in the office for that matter.

    Next, where are your leads coming from? You need a targeted list with the owner's name or at least to make sure they actually don't already have a website. As everyone else stated; your intro is pitching the receptionist. She already knows it's a sales call and you really can't convince her otherwise at that point so you're pretty much doomed from the start.

    In my experience it's pretty easy (well easier) to sell websites to contractors over the phone. They're business number is sometimes their cell number, so you don't really have to go through gatekeepers. If you want to do the demo site thing you can go that route, but believe it or not (and most people DON'T) but you can close a website deal over the phone. If you do have a demo or your portfolio you can ask them if they have access to their email NOW and you can send it over to them while they're on the phone (see how this won't really work with a dentist? they're too busy) OR you can get their email, tell them you're going to send it and give them a call back in about 30 minutes. Who needs 3 days to look at a website and decide if it's right for them or not? It's not a life or death decision. That's time wasted you can be on to the next at that point.

    So, switch up who you're targeting and try again and see if the results are different, but you have to give it more than a day and you also have to stop going by other people's results. Just because sales come easy or someone makes a sale cold calling their first day doesn't mean YOU will, not that you can't but just don't go by everyone else's results. Find what's going to work for you and stick to it.

    When I heard setting appointments was easy, I did it, got to the appointment and couldn't sell the man for the life of me so I was over that lol I'm better at selling over the phone, some people are better at building rapport and all of that in person, it just depends on the person, but you have to give it more than 7 hours and 1 day.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Originally Posted by Salashwal View Post


    I used Jason's intro and went with:

    "Hi, I’m not sure who I should speak with. My name is ______, and I help dental practices by helping them generate more patients from their marketing. But I don’t know who would have this under their umbrella there…"
    The wording I suggest is not the same: "Hi, my name is ____...maybe you can help me. I'm not sure who I should speak with...I usually talk to the person who takes care of _____. But I'm not sure who that would be there..." Big difference.

    Don't get into what you do with the gatekeeper. Yes, they can ask what this is about, and then you just repeat what you said.

    Your objective on the first call with this method is to get the decision maker's name, and maybe a high probability time to encounter them that you can call back at. Most likely you'll get voicemail. "Hi, ____...I'm not sure we should be speaking. But reception passed me to you, because I'm looking for the person who takes care of ___ at your business. I'm not sure if that is you, though...could you give me a call back and let me know if you are the right person, or if there's another person I should be speaking with? My number is ##, and I'll be in my office until 5:00 out here on the east coast. Thanks!"

    A high percentage of people are not going to be available when you call. Since I did not hear what the "brush off"s were, I suspect they were because of this.


    John's report is perfectly good and will work for you as well.
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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post


      Your objective on the first call with this method is to get the decision maker's name, and maybe a high probability time to encounter them that you can call back at.
      Not disagreeing but why not just make a list with the biz owners name?

      Also I would focus my list on businesses with 10 employees or less, that way the owner is usually in arms length of whoever answers the phone... if not the owner answers themselves.

      If the lead says his name is Bob, and a male voice answwers, just say "hi Bob?"

      You will get to pitch more...

      What you are saying, in all fairness IS NOTHING LIKE what Jasons is saying. You are pitching the gatekeeper saying "Im a salesman".

      I dont always agree with him , but its not fair to say you are failing and give his pitch the credit for it, when you arent really using his pitch.

      However most of the problem here is your niche, you are choosing a high difficulty level niche, Attorneys are better than dentists or ANY kind of medical professional.

      Medical professionals ALWAYS have gate keepers who are trained to only pass the phone if its life or death, even then they will likely tell you to come in or make an appointment.

      You SERIOUSLY decrease your odds by starting off in that niche. They are even further decreased with the approach you were taking...

      However I do like the rep management pitch you came up with. Nice.

      -John
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      • Profile picture of the author Deidra Renee
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Not disagreeing but why not just make a list with the biz owners name?

        Also I would focus my list on businesses with 10 employees or less, that way the owner is usually in arms length of whoever answers the phone... if not the owner answers themselves.

        If the lead says his name is Bob, and a male voice answwers, just say "hi Bob?"

        You will get to pitch more...

        What you are saying, in all fairness IS NOTHING LIKE what Jasons is saying. You are pitching the gatekeeper saying "Im a salesman".

        I dont always agree with him , but its not fair to say you are failing and give his pitch the credit for it, when you arent really using his pitch.

        However most of the problem here is your niche, you are choosing a high difficulty level niche, Attorneys are better than dentists or ANY kind of medical professional.

        Medical professionals ALWAYS have gate keepers who are trained to only pass the phone if its life or death, even then they will likely tell you to come in or make an appointment.

        You SERIOUSLY decrease your odds by starting off in that niche. They are even further decreased with the approach you were taking...

        However I do like the rep management pitch you came up with. Nice.

        -John
        Yeah, that rep management pitch sounds like it would be an easy sale, but I don't know anything about rep management. Makes me wanna find out lol
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      • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
        Originally Posted by John Durham View Post

        Not disagreeing but why not just make a list with the biz owners name?

        Also I would focus my list on businesses with 10 employees or less, that way the owner is usually in arms length of whoever answers the phone... if not the owner answers themselves.

        If the lead says his name is Bob, and a male voice answwers, just say "hi Bob?"

        You will get to pitch more...

        What you are saying, in all fairness IS NOTHING LIKE what Jasons is saying. You are pitching the gatekeeper saying "Im a salesman".

        I dont always agree with him , but its not fair to say you are failing and give his pitch the credit for it, when you arent really using his pitch.

        However most of the problem here is your niche, you are choosing a high difficulty level niche, Attorneys are better than dentists or ANY kind of medical professional.

        Medical professionals ALWAYS have gate keepers who are trained to only pass the phone if its life or death, even then they will likely tell you to come in or make an appointment.

        You SERIOUSLY decrease your odds by starting off in that niche. They are even further decreased with the approach you were taking...

        However I do like the rep management pitch you came up with. Nice.

        -John
        You could make a list for sure, John. Problem is that most newbies spend all freakin' day "making a list" and not making any calls. So this method gets them on the phone, and they don't need a DM name. They go get it and start filling their calendars with good callback times. Now they know what they're doing this afternoon, tomorrow and so on (calling back specific DMs), and gaining confidence.

        If you have a list, by all means go for the name.

        Lawyers, dentists, vets...most "professionals" are hard to get ahold of. They know their time is valuable, they've figured that out, so they more than anyone are likely to have instructed their GK to block for them.


        Another thing I hear very occasionally, but I did hear it yesterday, is someone who is using the "Let me take a quick minute, and I'll tell you why I called" script with the gatekeeper. That is NOT for use with GKs...it's for when you get the decision maker on the line.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          i agree with you about dentists. Hardest niche I've ever tried. I have a lot better results with auto repair shop owners, landscapers, funeral home directors...

          Anyone that the owner is the decision maker and he answers the phone.

          And my favorite, Psychic puppy psychologists. (OK that one was a joke)

          I see why the dentists would jump on the reputation management idea.
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          • Profile picture of the author John Durham
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            i agree with you about dentists. Hardest niche I've ever tried. I have a lot better results with auto repair shop owners, landscapers, funeral home directors...

            Anyone that the owner is the decision maker and he answers the phone.

            And my favorite, Psychic puppy psychologists. (OK that one was a joke)

            I see why the dentists would jump on the reputation management idea.
            infousa has a list generator that I use, and sales genie...they cost a little but you can just specify that you only want biz owners with ten employees or less and have a list of straight up mom and pops in seconds. I like those because the owners answer the phone alot.

            I use to have a list generator at my site TMF like infousa's, until someone hacked it and scrambled the files beyond recognition. I need to have another one built.

            On another note, it's not too hard to spot mom and pop businesses.

            For instance "Tires R Us" is usually going to be a corporate chain, but "Bob Reynolds Tire and Brake Shop" is going to be an indy.

            "Mcdonalds" is going to be a chain restaurant, but "Tanya's Diner" isnt.

            I wouldnt spend all day making a list. Just grab a page out of the phone book and start calling down it, skipping anything that looks like a corp.

            Mom and Pop Businesses are usually pretty easy to eye, sometimes not, but if you arent sure, just move down the list till you see something that looks solid, it isnt like there is a shortage of pages in the phone book. You dont have to prepare a list, just cherry pick as you go along.

            -John

            Originally Posted by Deidra Renee View Post

            Yeah, that rep management pitch sounds like it would be an easy sale, but I don't know anything about rep management. Makes me wanna find out lol
            Heck yeah D, that gets the telemarketer in you thinking dont it? lol

            Gotta give him props! what a great line!

            Still not cool to tell people you are failing with Jasons pitch though, when you arent really following his plan.

            I have had people do that to me and I hate it.

            They dont follow your plan, then they come back telling people they used it and failed.

            I dont think this guy did it intentionally, just carelessly.

            -John

            Ps. @ Deidre,

            You are on the right track. You know and I know that the thing that will make you the most sales is the thing that is most pitchable! So you go looking for pitchable stuff...and thats how you choose your ideas. Very sharp. Kudo's for seeing that.

            The idea that has the best pitch potential is the one that will make you the most money and is worth building a business model around.
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  • Profile picture of the author LasseKohau
    Learn from karate kid here, Mr Miyagi says, if you want to avoid a punch - be not there.

    Its just like, if you will avoid the gatekeeper - dont call when there are in or dont call organizations, where gatekeepers are hired in and trained to spoil the days of newbie telemarketers.

    Do your segmentation of prospects with brain activity.


    Call before 8am or after 4pm or maybe in a lunch break, when the GK is away.

    Pick small MAP´s to train your TM skills, before hunting bigger clients on the phone.

    Get a proven script from JD or JK to eleborate and make your own style of calling, must be adjusted to your personality....

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    • Profile picture of the author John Durham
      Originally Posted by LasseKohau View Post

      Learn from karate kid here, Mr Miyagi says, if you want to avoid a punch - be not there.

      Its just like, if you will avoid the gatekeeper - dont call when there are in or dont call organizations, where gatekeepers are hired in and trained to spoil the days of newbie telemarketers.

      Do your segmentation of prospects with brain activity.


      Call before 8am or after 4pm or maybe in a lunch break, when the GK is away.

      Pick small MAP´s to train your TM skills, before hunting bigger clients on the phone.

      Get a proven script from JD or JK to eleborate and make your own style of calling, must be adjusted to your personality....

      rgs, Lasse
      Hey Lasse!

      Havent seen you around in ages!

      Good to see you posting!

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  • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
    No complaining Salashwal.

    Remember this, the ONLY thing that matters is results. It simply doesn't matter what you want to sell. It only matters what you can sell.

    So, if you are sucking at webdesign with Dentists, but RepMan is going OK, it's time to switch gears to that. Success is about finding something that works better than others, and pushing that angle until money is in your bank.

    If you are intent on web design, find another target market if dentist isn't working for you. Personally, I think that would be a bone headed move. That RepMan line is great, and if it is getting you on the phone - take it to the next level! Try that one 300 times and see what the results are! It isn't even something you should think about.

    Success builds on success. If you find something that works - chase it all the way down to the end. Call every damn Dentist in the world. Hell, start Dental Reputation LLC and build a whole business around it.

    Just today - very first call - the DM was in a meeting. So I made nice and was told to call back after 1:30pm. I spent the next hour and a half getting slaughtered on the phone. This was a bad day. I made 100 calls and threw in the towel.

    After 1:30 - I called that DM back and now I have a solid appointment for next week. Just think, the first number I called was also the last number I called, and the only positive result I had today. But still...I am happy because you just gotta keep moving forward.
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  • Profile picture of the author Salashwal
    I've made about 400 calls over the past few days using PanteraIM's script.

    I was able to set up one appointment and I have one guy that wants to call me back in a couple of weeks, although I'm not so sure how serious he was.

    The script is definitely working and I'm actually getting the chance to pitch people. I seem to be able to get to the point where I can say my pitch but I'm losing interest either right after, or soon after that with objections that I just don't seem to be able to respond to on the spot. As I hesitate to respond to the objections I can feel the conversation turning and it almost sounds as If I'm grasping for anything to keep the conversation afloat.

    Oh well. Tomorrow's a new day.
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    • Profile picture of the author PanteraIM
      Originally Posted by Salashwal View Post

      I've made about 400 calls over the past few days using PanteraIM's script.

      I was able to set up one appointment and I have one guy that wants to call me back in a couple of weeks, although I'm not so sure how serious he was.

      The script is definitely working and I'm actually getting the chance to pitch people. I seem to be able to get to the point where I can say my pitch but I'm losing interest either right after, or soon after that with objections that I just don't seem to be able to respond to on the spot. As I hesitate to respond to the objections I can feel the conversation turning and it almost sounds as If I'm grasping for anything to keep the conversation afloat.

      Oh well. Tomorrow's a new day.
      Glad my advice is working for you.

      The vast majority of people will not be interested anyway: they are suspects, don't worry about them.


      You can try asking questions before pitching, ask how their listing is performing for them. Are they completely satisfied with the amount of business they are getting? Are they looking to get more business?

      All of selling is centred around the theory of motivation.

      Your customers has current state of 'A' and they are looking to get to the desired emotional state of 'C'.

      The whole selling process is about positioning your product, 'B' as the solution and then offering them incentives to walk across the proverbial bridge that B represents to meet their goals.

      The further away their emotional states of A and C are, the easier the sale is. The more motivated and dissatisfied they are the more receptive they will be to considering to paying the price to get it, the closer these emotional poles are (complacency), the harder it's going to be, which is why it's absolutely critical to identify these things before suggesting a solution.

      Going more into depth.. the role of the salesperson after identifying their current and desired emotional states is to lengthen the perceptual distance between the two which creates tension, once you create enough tension with both incentives and fear of loss, then the customer is going to start leaking buying signals like a doomed ship before succumbing by buying.

      Qualify their interest first before before talking about getting a website, and try to control the subject of their objection for why they haven't got around to it yet.. let me explain.

      After we've had a talk about where they are now and where they would like to be in terms of sales, leads, exposure etc it's time to find out the reason their site isn't up yet.

      'Do you mind if I ask why you don't have a website?' Is it the money, or do you just not have the time?'

      Don't let them give you a reason that you can't answer. This is what I mean by handling the flow of objections, give them a choice between two answers which you have rehearsed an answer for.

      If they say it's the money then most likely they've had quotes from other companies which is far beyond their budget. This is perfect if you can position your product as a high quality alternative at a better price.

      If they say it's the time then well.. that's just an excuse.. and following the sales process correctly will kick their motivation into gear.


      Hope this is useful.
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  • Profile picture of the author Salashwal
    Notes taken.

    I'll apply that tomorrow.

    Thanks a bunch brother!
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    • Profile picture of the author PanteraIM
      Originally Posted by Salashwal View Post

      Notes taken.

      I'll apply that tomorrow.

      Thanks a bunch brother!
      If you could post the script you are using I'll make some changes to see if we can get it pumping
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      • Profile picture of the author Salashwal
        Originally Posted by PanteraIM View Post

        If you could post the script you are using I'll make some changes to see if we can get it pumping

        I wasn't able to make any calls today but I will put in some hours tomorrow and I'll use your advice. After that I'll post up my results, and I'll write out the script for you to critique.

        Thanks so much for the help!
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  • Profile picture of the author benbro
    Hi Salashwal, great discussion man. Your experience of getting in the door easier when you lead in with reputation management as opposed to SEO makes sense b/c of the fear factor you mentioned but also b/c its probably not a call gatekeepers get very often.

    I wouldn't fret about it too much in fact, if I were you I might even welcome it b/c after you get done making them a reputation management client you can still offer them seo, web design, mobile or any other service that you feel will add value for them.
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