Who here actually sells products/services on regular basis

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Anyone do this for real? There's lot of advice and experts imparting their wisdom, but plainly as a forum marketing method to sell their info-products and expertise.

There is soooo much BS out there and lies and delusion it is unreal. Truly unreal.

There are real experts who do things for real in the real world consistently and professionally, but they are far outnumbered by the frauds and crap peddlers.

If you have a got a consistent sales process that you've arrived by going through the grind of trial and error and experimentation, and have found what works well, what is your consistency level?

You don't have to divulge what methods they are, or what niche, but I'd really like to get an honest, no BS figure of how many business owners become buyers from your efforts. How many can you bring in a week?

I hope this will be an antidote to the ''make a sale a day with cold calling'' by people selling WSO's on that subject but who don't actually do it, and we can get some real stats.

Fingers crossed.
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  • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
    Yes, I have been selling Internet and Social Media Marketing services to Business Owners full time since 2007. I have been doing more consulting this year that fulfilling contracts.
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    • Profile picture of the author Underground
      Originally Posted by sdentrepreneur View Post

      Yes, I have been selling Internet and Social Media Marketing services to Business Owners full time since 2007. I have been doing more consulting this year that fulfilling contracts.
      Do you want to see what a sample contract looks like?
      I'm finding it hard to judge your tone here. Either your being very sincere and generous in offering to show me a sample contract as a way of providing useful info, or you are being sarcastic as if my weariness is unfounded.

      If it's the latter, I've already looked into what you do in the past by watching one of your webinars and was very impressed with your approach. I know you are one of the people doing it for real in the real world and wouldn't doubt you enough to need see a contract.


      If the former, then thanks, I wouldn't turn it down to take a further a look at the packages you were providing and the fine details. What was your consistency with the contract/service arrangement?

      If you don't want to say, that's fine. But, is the consulting going better than the pre-set package contacts?
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      • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
        Hey there, it was a 100% generous offer to show you a sample contract. I would prefer to send in private message, then to post in room. Let me know if you want it. :-)



        Originally Posted by Underground View Post

        I'm finding it hard to judge your tone here. Either your being very sincere and generous in offering to show me a sample contract as a way of providing useful info, or you are being sarcastic as if my weariness is unfounded.

        If it's the latter, I've already looked into what you do in the past by watching one of your webinars and was very impressed with your approach. I know you are one of the people doing it for real in the real world and wouldn't doubt you enough to need see a contract.


        If the former, then thanks, I wouldn't turn it down to take a further a look at the packages you were providing and the fine details. What was your consistency with the contract/service arrangement?

        If you don't want to say, that's fine. But, is the consulting going better than the pre-set package contacts?
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  • Profile picture of the author MelanieandMiles
    We are both full time from home selling products/services online and offline. Consistent enough to fire our bosses... I (Miles) have been full time since 09, Melanie just got rid of her last part-time gig about 4 months ago... Our active income has grown by over $1000/mo and our residual income has grown over $500 per month in the last 2-3 weeks, alone.

    It didn't come easy, tho... And it still doesn't. Trial and error has been our ultimate teacher. WordPress skills are definitely at the core of just about everything we do... And we built our first wordpress site in 2008.

    Melanie has a list with over 10k organic subscribers and a platform that gets over 1000 visits/day... She launches a product and makes a grand each time about 8 times a year. Then twice per month she launches smaller products and makes between $250 and $600... Then there are the Kindle publishing royalties and Kunaki cd royalties that show up each month.

    I do SEO consultations and often find myself focusing on keyword research + content via Wordpress for clients.... And I outsource 80-95% of it to people all around the globe!

    There are a ton of local businesses everywhere who could use someone who gets SEO, WordPress and Keyword Research... But dealing with clients isn't exactly 'residual income' nor is it all that enjoyable for me anymore, so I'm trying to phase that out.

    Our newest venture is growing by about 5 teammates per week on average right now and offers leveraged residual income... Again, 100% WordPress marketing as the back-bone.

    With all that being said... We are both online busting our humps about 10 - 16 hours per day, 7 days per week, knuckles-to-the-grindstone, making it happen.

    You gotta want it.... You gotta want it so bad it keeps you up late... You gotta want it so bad it wakes you up early.... This video sums it up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=5fsm-QbN9r8
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    • Profile picture of the author Underground
      Originally Posted by MelanieandMiles View Post

      We are both full time from home selling products/services online and offline. Consistent enough to fire our bosses... I (Miles) have been full time since 09, Melanie just got rid of her last part-time gig about 4 months ago... Our active income has grown by over $1000/mo and our residual income has grown over $500 per month in the last 2-3 weeks, alone.

      It didn't come easy, tho... And it still doesn't. Trial and error has been our ultimate teacher. WordPress skills are definitely at the core of just about everything we do... And we built our first wordpress site in 2008.

      Melanie has a list with over 10k organic subscribers and a platform that gets over 1000 visits/day... She launches a product and makes a grand each time about 8 times a year. Then twice per month she launches smaller products and makes between $250 and $600... Then there are the Kindle publishing royalties and Kunaki cd royalties that show up each month.

      I do SEO consultations and often find myself focusing on keyword research + content via Wordpress for clients.... And I outsource 80-95% of it to people all around the globe!

      There are a ton of local businesses everywhere who could use someone who gets SEO, WordPress and Keyword Research... But dealing with clients isn't exactly 'residual income' nor is it all that enjoyable for me anymore, so I'm trying to phase that out.

      Our newest venture is growing by about 5 teammates per week on average right now and offers leveraged residual income... Again, 100% WordPress marketing as the back-bone.

      With all that being said... We are both online busting our humps about 10 - 16 hours per day, 7 days per week, knuckles-to-the-grindstone, making it happen.

      You gotta want it.... You gotta want it so bad it keeps you up late... You gotta want it so bad it wakes you up early.... This video sums it up: https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=5fsm-QbN9r8

      Fantastic post. Thank you so much for putting it out there and being so honest and candid.

      I wish you continued success. I know it's not easy. I get tired of people claiming it is and being on here spouting off and not being truthful. Making a living of others trying to make a living by pretending to be an expert when they aren't even making money in real life.

      I know its possible. I know that everyone who makes it work put everything into it and put in the graft and take the time to learn the skills properly.

      Thanks again.
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  • Profile picture of the author MaxwellB
    What bothers me is that yes are there a lot of people who make up methods and sell them without testing them.

    But there are a lot of good product creators out there, Mark Helton, Brian Anderson, Mario Brown etc etc a list of over 100 that actually do the consulting or have done the consulting in the past and sell products that explain the methods they used.

    In my opinion it doesn't take a genius to be able to tell one from the other. I mean anyone should be able to tell an honest affiliate/product vendor from a crap one fairly easily. At least people with business experience. I guess if you don't have any business experience maybe it's difficult.

    It's just frustrating to see people generalize a whole group by one of it's subsets.

    Also if you go into the WSO forum and just buy products yeah that's not going to turn out well.

    Find out who the authority creators are out there and buy their products and the products of people they trust and support.
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  • Profile picture of the author PanteraIM
    I'm on the phones 8 hours a day, g.

    I make between 60 and 100 calls and close between 2 and 5%.

    Recently I've been calling warm callbacks from my team of TMs and the conversion has lifted. I sell what everyone else does: web design, seo, sem, etc..

    I've been a cold caller for 5-6 years.

    It's not that amazing. I'd agree with you about other parts of the forums pushing crap and BS but the people in the offline section are generally solid experts in their subject matter.

    Instead of prejuding it as BS why don't you pick up one of the many scripts here and try it yourself.
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  • Profile picture of the author mrjosco
    I am doing it. Lost my job, and needed a solution. Been messin around with web marketing for 15 years, so I thought I would try to make ends meet with something I know and love. I'm selling mobile websites with so-so luck. Get a client or two per week. Really need to be getting 4 or 5 a week, but its a start. I've tried email and some direct mail - but only cold calling has worked for me. Since I am selling and building sites I am running into some time management issues, but we are getting there. It's a tough road. Not sure how to take it to the next level, but I'm working on it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Underground
      Originally Posted by mrjosco View Post

      I am doing it. Lost my job, and needed a solution. Been messin around with web marketing for 15 years, so I thought I would try to make ends meet with something I know and love. I'm selling mobile websites with so-so luck. Get a client or two per week. Really need to be getting 4 or 5 a week, but its a start. I've tried email and some direct mail - but only cold calling has worked for me. Since I am selling and building sites I am running into some time management issues, but we are getting there. It's a tough road. Not sure how to take it to the next level, but I'm working on it.
      You're on the right track for sure. I know how hard it is. I've been in the same situation. But the solutions are there.

      For me, I was just never going to be able to get the big clients myself. The bigger companies that pay 5000 upfront and 3-6k a month like it's nothing. But now know I have the integrated marketing systems in place to get real returns for business and can hire a pro with experience to do the consulting aspect.

      Doing it yourself, meaning everything, unless you have the right background and personality, is asking for struggle I think. But you are making good progress.

      How many calls do you make day for that?
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  • Profile picture of the author sallan
    This is a full time business for me. Here is my free course

    1. Find a niche you want to service and see what problems they have that you can solve
    2. Develop a value proposition and some marketing materials around your solutions to these problems
    3. Talk to people in your niche about about your solutions
    4. Deliver on your commitments to the people that become your clients

    It is simple, but not easy. You can pad out all of these steps with the information and techniques offered by others on this board.

    Honestly there are ideas posted here for free almost every day of the week that will make you thousands if you apply them. As a business owner or entrepreneur you are always the weakest link in your business, ideas are cheap but action is what will make you money.
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    • Profile picture of the author Underground
      Originally Posted by sallan View Post

      This is a full time business for me. Here is my free course

      1. Find a niche you want to service and see what problems they have that you can solve
      2. Develop a value proposition and some marketing materials around your solutions to these problems
      3. Talk to people in your niche about about your solutions
      4. Deliver on your commitments to the people that become your clients

      It is simple, but not easy. You can pad out all of these steps with the information and techniques offered by others on this board.

      Honestly there are ideas posted here for free almost every day of the week that will make you thousands if you apply them. As a business owner or entrepreneur you are always the weakest link in your business, ideas are cheap but action is what will make you money.

      Good post. There are things that I disagree with though. There are millions of ideas on this place. And I've taken action on so many in good faith that were barely tested by the creator, or a they had one shot at it, and got nowhere.

      I realized earlier on I didn't need more ideas, I need to learn proper marketing skills that gets results if I am going to set myself up as a marketing expert and sell those kinds of services.

      It's been a long road, like taking a degree, to get the full picture of how to help a business successfully marketing themselves online to get a real return, and learn the skills to be able to do that.

      I'm not taking basic skills like being able to set up a google plus account for them or any of the tasks you can get for $5 on fivver.

      The target market for WSO's is lazy, money hungry, desperate people who just want something easy for them that brings them easy money on tap.

      And only few move beyond opportunity seeker, desperate mode to really learn the skills and become a marketing pro. When you have them, it's simple, as you outline.
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      • Profile picture of the author sallan
        Originally Posted by Underground View Post

        Good post. There are things that I disagree with though. There are millions of ideas on this place. And I've taken action on so many in good faith that were barely tested by the creator, or a they had one shot at it, and got nowhere.

        I realized earlier on I didn't need more ideas, I need to learn proper marketing skills that gets results if I am going to set myself up as a marketing expert and sell those kinds of services.

        It's been a long road, like taking a degree, to get the full picture of how to help a business successfully marketing themselves online to get a real return, and learn the skills to be able to do that.

        I'm not taking basic skills like being able to set up a google plus account for them or any of the tasks you can get for $5 on fivver.

        The target market for WSO's is lazy, money hungry, desperate people who just want something easy for them that brings them easy money on tap.

        And only few move beyond opportunity seeker, desperate mode to really learn the skills and become a marketing pro. When you have them, it's simple, as you outline.

        Sorry, I might have been vague, I wasn't talking about WSO's etc. I have never bought one. What I am talking about is learning from the other successful members of the Offline board about what is working for them to grow their businesses.

        The people who are making a living in offline marketing know it is a business, it is not a "make money online" thing that you dabble in. It sounds like you have learnt the hard way that buying a new WSO on the latest greatest online cash system is not going to do much for your business.

        As you have realised you need some tangible products and services to be able to offer your prospective clients. Also you will need to develop the systems to generate and nurture leads, close sales, manage projects, manage finances, etc etc.

        There will be many mistakes, or "learning experiences" along the way, it is inevitable. But if you pick yourself up after each one rather than deciding you failed you can make it.

        Remember I said simple NOT easy
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        • Profile picture of the author Underground
          Originally Posted by sallan View Post

          Sorry, I might have been vague, I wasn't talking about WSO's etc. I have never bought one. What I am talking about is learning from the other successful members of the Offline board about what is working for them to grow their businesses.

          The people who are making a living in offline marketing know it is a business, it is not a "make money online" thing that you dabble in. It sounds like you have learnt the hard way that buying a new WSO on the latest greatest online cash system is not going to do much for your business.

          As you have realised you need some tangible products and services to be able to offer your prospective clients. Also you will need to develop the systems to generate and nurture leads, close sales, manage projects, manage finances, etc etc.

          There will be many mistakes, or "learning experiences" along the way, it is inevitable. But if you pick yourself up after each one rather than deciding you failed you can make it.

          Remember I said simple NOT easy

          Very true. I bought my first WSO 3 years ago. And just went at it. Hire two people, really put it through it's paces without fear of trepidation.

          I wanted a success private practice and a real business. It's didn't take long before I knew the service offered in the WSO wasn't cutting it. And that I needed to learn this game for real, rather than just offering any lame service.

          I've had success here and there. But was always lacking knowledge or resources of one thing or another to consistently join the ranks of people making serious money.

          I know it there. I've been looking at agencies in the inc 500 for years and seeing the massive revenues they generate, but I can't go an ask them what they are doing to make millions a year. There are people here doing well, but on a smaller scale then a big firm, and just wanted to get their experiences and of course, reminders of what's required, like yours are helpful to strengthen the right perspective needed when (re)launching on a big scale.
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          • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
            Originally Posted by Underground View Post

            I wanted a success private practice and a real business. It's didn't take long before I knew the service offered in the WSO wasn't cutting it. And that I needed to learn this game for real, rather than just offering any lame service.

            I've had success here and there. But was always lacking knowledge or resources of one thing or another to consistently join the ranks of people making serious money.

            It really comes down to looking at the services you can offer or
            outsource.

            If you're really struggling to provide a service that makes a business
            serious profits then you should probably get yourself a joint venture
            partner or an outsourcing partner.

            I can introduce you to an outsourcing partner who has a substantial
            list of services he provides at quite modest prices (compared to what
            you can charge for them).

            Just PM me and I'll give you the details.

            From there you can sell the services to businesses you talk to and
            perhaps over time you might choose a service you think you might
            provide yourself and learn how to do it or you might just be happy
            always outsourcing.


            Outside of that I'd say the biggest key to charging substantial fees
            is believing you can and effectively establishing the dollar value of
            the services you provide to your prospects.

            Kindest regards,
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            • Profile picture of the author Underground
              Originally Posted by AndrewCavanagh View Post

              It really comes down to looking at the services you can offer or
              outsource.

              If you're really struggling to provide a service that makes a business
              serious profits then you should probably get yourself a joint venture
              partner or an outsourcing partner.

              I can introduce you to an outsourcing partner who has a substantial
              list of services he provides at quite modest prices (compared to what
              you can charge for them).

              Just PM me and I'll give you the details.

              From there you can sell the services to businesses you talk to and
              perhaps over time you might choose a service you think you might
              provide yourself and learn how to do it or you might just be happy
              always outsourcing.


              Outside of that I'd say the biggest key to charging substantial fees
              is believing you can and effectively establishing the dollar value of
              the services you provide to your prospects.

              Kindest regards,
              Andrew Cavanagh

              Thank you. That would be great. I've got a clear of what I offer, (genuinely) professional video production for the tangible, simple sell lead service, and the market domination system from the guys at themezoom, who I found recently. They also make Krakken keyword tool.

              These guys are the best out there. It does include a lot of internet services and I'd very interested in your recommendation for people who can offer good services at good rates.

              Finding the right people is one of the most stressful aspects when things don't go smoothly (which is a lot). So any recommendations from proven sources are welcome here.

              Thanks again.
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    • Profile picture of the author Underground
      Originally Posted by Voasi View Post

      I actually totally give away one of my best ways to get more internet marketing clients. You're more then welcome to check it out here:

      https://www.facebook.com/pages/Offli...27089034046612

      Thanks man. Great, great info. Will add that to my arsenal. Ties in well my video production and marketing services. What software did you use to create that landing page on your facebook page?


      Originally Posted by PanteraIM View Post

      I'm on the phones 8 hours a day, g.

      I make between 60 and 100 calls and close between 2 and 5%.

      Recently I've been calling warm callbacks from my team of TMs and the conversion has lifted. I sell what everyone else does: web design, seo, sem, etc..

      I've been a cold caller for 5-6 years.

      It's not that amazing. I'd agree with you about other parts of the forums pushing crap and BS but the people in the offline section are generally solid experts in their subject matter.

      Instead of prejuding it as BS why don't you pick up one of the many scripts here and try it yourself.
      Thanks. I have tried other's approaches. I know there are real experts here making regular money. I just tried the people who sell info products for the large majority, instead of people doing it hardcore like you.

      I'm ready for relaunch soon, in a couple of days and the phone will be the biggest weapon in my offensive. I'll be selling high-professional video production and marketing to begin with.

      I will be hiring others to do it. Professionals. I tried other approaches. And I really just do not have the verbal fluency on the phone necessary, not for the want or persistent trying.

      It was after seeing a script you use, and know that is how it professionally done, that I knew I had to be doing that for my business, but knew I'd have to get someone else because there is just too much involved.

      The frauds here, or who have been here in the passed before getting exposured, and the people who rehash their stuff because they tried it and sold a website from it after a week, will tell you can get on the phone and say a few lines and make a sale a day from 100 calls for a few hours a day.

      You can't. Pro's like you do it all day long, and have a real process that isn't simply trotting out a few lines. And you get consistent results, because you commit 100%.

      I was hoping to get real replies like yours and others on this thread. Thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author Voasi
        Originally Posted by Underground View Post

        Thanks man. Great, great info. Will add that to my arsenal. Ties in well my video production and marketing services. What software did you use to create that landing page on your facebook page?
        No problem. It's a company that is making waves right now and doing a fantastic job at it called - LeadPlayer
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        • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
          Originally Posted by Voasi View Post

          No problem. It's a company that is making waves right now and doing a fantastic job at it called - LeadPlayer
          Adam,

          I was enjoying the first few minutes of the video, I had to pause and walk away. When I came back - the page had changed and now I can't complete the video.

          Is there any way I can watch this again or is it a one-shot deal?
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          • Profile picture of the author mak25
            Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

            Adam,

            I was enjoying the first few minutes of the video, I had to pause and walk away. When I came back - the page had changed and now I can't complete the video.

            Is there any way I can watch this again or is it a one-shot deal?

            Ditto.

            PS - Dan, I love all of your posts. You give intelligent, heartfelt advice.
            I thank you.

            Mike
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            • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
              Originally Posted by mak25 View Post

              Ditto.

              PS - Dan, I love all of your posts. You give intelligent, heartfelt advice.
              I thank you.

              Mike
              Thank you Mike.
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          • Profile picture of the author Voasi
            Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

            Adam,

            I was enjoying the first few minutes of the video, I had to pause and walk away. When I came back - the page had changed and now I can't complete the video.

            Is there any way I can watch this again or is it a one-shot deal?
            Hey Dan -

            Yea, I have it setup that way, as there is a limited time offer at the end of the free training. I'll send you the link in a PM so you can watch.
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            • Profile picture of the author mckennabrowny
              Adam, I was trying to watch your vid as well and it cut me off. Like I said, I would love to try and get better at Craigslist.
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            • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
              Originally Posted by Voasi View Post

              Hey Dan -

              Yea, I have it setup that way, as there is a limited time offer at the end of the free training. I'll send you the link in a PM so you can watch.
              Never got the link but wanted to give you a big thanks!

              Just from watching the first part of the video - I posted an ad on Craigslist much like the one you showed.

              The next day - I got a call from a local business owner who has a national chain of agents under him. Closed a deal today for a little over 4k upfront and will be worth 10's of thousands in the next year! Craigslist!

              Thanks Adam. That was great info. You need a testimonial or anything? LOL
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              • Profile picture of the author Voasi
                Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

                Never got the link but wanted to give you a big thanks!

                Just from watching the first part of the video - I posted an ad on Craigslist much like the one you showed.

                The next day - I dot a call from a local business owner who has a national chain of agents under him. Closed a deal today for a little over 4k upfront and will be worth 10's of thousands in the next year! Craigslist!

                Thanks Adam. That was great info. You need a testimonial or anything? LOL
                Fantastic!! That's awesome to hear! We use it every day in my business, so I know it works.

                I'll PM you - I'd love a testimonial.
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                • Originally Posted by Dan McCoy View Post

                  Never got the link but wanted to give you a big thanks!

                  Just from watching the first part of the video - I posted an ad on Craigslist much like the one you showed.

                  The next day - I got a call from a local business owner who has a national chain of agents under him. Closed a deal today for a little over 4k upfront and will be worth 10's of thousands in the next year! Craigslist!

                  Thanks Adam. That was great info. You need a testimonial or anything? LOL
                  Originally Posted by Voasi View Post

                  Fantastic!! That's awesome to hear! We use it every day in my business, so I know it works.

                  I'll PM you - I'd love a testimonial.
                  Using your system, can we post on craigslists targetting US cities despite i am from Asia?

                  How long does it take to do the system? can it be done in 1 week if i spend 1 hour per day?
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            • Profile picture of the author MaxProfit007
              Adam,
              The same thing happened to me - I got a phone call while watching it and then was unable to see the rest of the video.
              Please send me a PM with the link, too.
              Thanks.
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              • Profile picture of the author Organizationer
                Originally Posted by MaxProfit007 View Post

                Adam,
                The same thing happened to me - I got a phone call while watching it and then was unable to see the rest of the video.
                Please send me a PM with the link, too.
                Thanks.
                Pls pm me too.
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    • Profile picture of the author Underground
      Originally Posted by laurencewins View Post

      I write and proofread regularly. It is not what you call a full-time job as I also am on a Disability pension but I earn enough to cope....but could always earn more if anybody else needs my help.

      How successful people are depends on so many variables. You'll find many who claim to do better than the reality but it shouldn't bother you because your success is your concern, not that of others.
      Yes, it's a a good thing not to get hung-up on what others are doing because there are many hidden variable that they are doing, or things in their favour that others people miss when trying to replicate them, and get lesser or no results as a consequence.

      Really, I'm getting ready to relaunch, with great products and services, some great prospecting methods, pro's helping me sell, but I just wanted to gage what realistic expectations should be, so as to stay realistic about what a consistent sales and marketing process produces on average.

      Thanks for your input.
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  • Profile picture of the author bob ross
    I'm doing it day-in day-out. I own a marketing/design firm and a remodeling company, which allow me to not only create and offer marketing strategies but also to test them myself constantly. I've had plenty of things that I thought would work amazing in theory, only to find that once I tried them out, failed miserably.

    Unlike most people here, I've almost totally gotten away from offering internet marketing services to my clients, simply because it's a pain in the butt. I don't want to compete with a million other SEO/Social Media/Web Design weekend warriors out there either lowballing everything or offering better services than I can. I don't want to deal with unreliable outsourcers or have to stay ahead of every little change that could crush me if I don't. I also don't want to take large amount of money from clients and not have them see measurable results.

    I focus on providing services involving printed material & direct mail, and direct response marketing assistance. The relationships I've made and the name I've made for myself in my local community is in my opinion, only possible from the fact that I've separated myself from other marketing people who push internet services they learned in a weekend.
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    • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
      Originally Posted by bob ross View Post

      The relationships I've made and the name I've made for myself in my local community is in my opinion, only possible from the fact that I've separated myself from other marketing people who push internet services they learned in a weekend.
      The whole learned in a weekend and even worse the outsource it all mentality is a huge reason why people do not make money doing this.

      They want the 4 hour work week but missed the true point behind the book.

      No offence to anyone here but it amazing me at times the questions I see here. The reason more people are not making money can be summed up in the questions they are asking.

      They are literally selling services they don't even understand. That is not providing value by any sense of the word.
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      • Profile picture of the author Underground
        Originally Posted by Aaron Doud View Post

        The whole learned in a weekend and even worse the outsource it all mentality is a huge reason why people do not make money doing this.

        They want the 4 hour work week but missed the true point behind the book.

        No offence to anyone here but it amazing me at times the questions I see here. The reason more people are not making money can be summed up in the questions they are asking.

        They are literally selling services they don't even understand. That is not providing value by any sense of the word.

        I agree. What's even more shocking, is in the three years of observing the people here in the offline space, they still don't get it. They still look for the most expedient little trick that means they don't have to do anything and money will be handed to them.

        They are still dependent on these course. They weren't learn the skills for themselves, or they weren't invest money in delegating in areas where it is best to do that.

        I hope the question in this thread wasn't included as a sign I am one of those people.

        I've put in the work. Have studied. Gone hungry to learn the skills so as to be credible and be able to get real results for clients. You have a few case studies of increase profit and sales, and you'll find it hard to be successful if you can show those results to other businesses.

        I've studied the best marketers, copywriters, sales people, agencies, and have my own plan of action ready to go and do things properly.

        After being disappointed to find out that one of the people I thought was credible in offline was just selling ideas that sound good and someone else has tried, when I'd thought they'd already proven the concept themselves like any credible person would, I thought if this person, a supposed offline expert getting 5000 gran clients, is putting more focus on selling WSO's with great sounding ideas, then going out and getting 5-10000 paying clients with the methods in their WSO, I wanted to get a real idea of the market and what kind of consistency those doing it properly, using the right methods and processes, are seeing and to gage the level of weariness people are seeing among business owners who are being constantly pitched marketing services by desperate, incompetent, low-ballers trying to make a quick buck to put food on the table.
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  • Profile picture of the author shawnlebrun
    Underground,

    You're right... more than 80% (or more) of marketers here, or anywhere, really... make REAL money.

    When I say real, I mean enough to live on comfortably, without working for someone else.

    On Clickbank, it's 80-20... or somewhere around there. Only 20% of the businesses listed there make serious money.

    It just is what it is... no matter where you go... it's around 80-20.

    For me, I started in 2001 with an online business that sold fitness products. I had to learn everything along the way... as I went.

    and as I grew the business... my income grew, my knowledge grew, and so did my love of marketing and copywriting. That's the only reason I sold that business to get into copywriting.

    Thankfully, because of my past online success... I was able to make a six figure income from consulting/copy/coaching since then.

    But if I hadn't had that previous business experience... I wouldn't have been nearly successful.

    So, it's pretty easy to find out who is making decent money online... at least you can get a rough idea with all the analytic tools available today.

    But as with any venture... most people fail and a few succeed... the forum is no different than any other place where people meet/do business. it just is what it is.
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  • Profile picture of the author ukcarl
    Im doing this everyday Im averaging roughly 1 new retainer client every 1-2 weeks, slowly growing, but its a lot of work.
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  • Profile picture of the author hayfj2
    I can give you a couple of examples of testing different approaches to find the ones that work (for me)...

    I wrote 6 books in 6 weeks and got all 6 to top 10 and 5 to #1 download for their
    genre on Amazon Kindle.

    [IMG]http://api.ning.com/files/jnGKJh3gfccK7Xu0Q4zZPmdaf0Zpd6ZjkJr7R85FDOEqRR-2zK1kU20icAJL*dmIKicqtYt9N8LMQSkS7AwhCEQRnCMt2iX4/KB3MA.png[/IMG]

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    I maximised the FREE offer period recommended by Amazon's KDP programme.

    However, since then I've generated -

    A year long coaching client, now in discussions with a tv production company, and (2 consultancy gigs value in excess of $10K), and now have a passive revenue stream dripping through which I can build on with more titles coming...

    I also via social networking picked up a $15K client who I've never met, from a country I've never visited that speaks a language that I don't even know a single word of.

    I also use SEO - on various digital assets externally from my site to pre-qualify visitors and to pull them to me in due course. This one has a top 5 listing on google, (slideshare doc) has had over 28000 visitors to the page, and approx. 2000 downloads of which 10-15% have gone on to upgrade to one solution or another ranging from $50 - $5000+

    I have over 400 testimonials on the UKs oldest social network, and had some fun with a vertical learning curve on LinkedIn, and it serves me well to pre-qualify profile visitors and educate them to what I offer.

    Here are my results from yesterday -

    [IMG]http://api.ning.com/files/jsqU1mHWkLicXwKMXdfT3JEq-qjL*oalJ3551wQBEV-HdIhOyjJjZ8Tvf3dfA9AKkCFcKp2zT7muNRUktVx4hoA9Cwzc2 bC9/linkedin04.png[/IMG]

    I documented my learning curve on LinkedIn and share the journey in my book on amazon.

    In the words of Colin Powell..."There are no secrets to success. It is the result of preparation, hard work, and learning from failure" and by heck I endorse and live that to the max.

    I test. test. test. I document my failings, my stresses, my frustrations and then amend until I start generating the results I want. I then share what works in my coaching programme and with members of my Grow Your Business Club.

    I think far too many people fall in love with, and get overwhelmed by the technology, for me its about finding an approach that works then consistently applying and executing it even if that means putting in the time and effort regularly. Far too many people are lazy, and simply don't apply themselves.

    I think I'm consistent in consistently testing new approaches and demonstrating my expertise by documenting my own learning and then applying and sharing it. There's far too much spin out there as you say above, and people want "social proof" of performance.

    Consistency of execution creates consistency of new business production every month. Conversion rates vary from channel to channel, and whilst I got over 300 videos on Youtube, I haven't really cracked it yet from a conversion stand point. :S

    We mustn't stop learning (& applying) each day, and that includes me.

    hey ho, onwards and upwards ;

    Hope that helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author Underground
      Originally Posted by bob ross View Post

      I'm doing it day-in day-out. I own a marketing/design firm and a remodeling company, which allow me to not only create and offer marketing strategies but also to test them myself constantly. I've had plenty of things that I thought would work amazing in theory, only to find that once I tried them out, failed miserably.

      Unlike most people here, I've almost totally gotten away from offering internet marketing services to my clients, simply because it's a pain in the butt. I don't want to compete with a million other SEO/Social Media/Web Design weekend warriors out there either lowballing everything or offering better services than I can. I don't want to deal with unreliable outsourcers or have to stay ahead of every little change that could crush me if I don't. I also don't want to take large amount of money from clients and not have them see measurable results.

      I focus on providing services involving printed material & direct mail, and direct response marketing assistance. The relationships I've made and the name I've made for myself in my local community is in my opinion, only possible from the fact that I've separated myself from other marketing people who push internet services they learned in a weekend.
      I get exactly where you are coming. Very early on I wanted to escape the weekend warrior thing you talk about in offering any old service to business owners that might line my pocket only, and really make a name doing something that get's real results and gets the bigger money and clients.

      I was hoping to get responses like this, just to reaffirm there is a market out there for people who approach their business with more regard then just picking up a WSO and trying to sell what they read in its 10 pages to business owners, with only their own desire for financial gain as the driver and not the results they can help the business get, which doesn't even factor into things.

      Thanks for that great post.

      Originally Posted by shawnlebrun View Post

      Underground,

      You're right... more than 80% (or more) of marketers here, or anywhere, really... make REAL money.

      When I say real, I mean enough to live on comfortably, without working for someone else.

      On Clickbank, it's 80-20... or somewhere around there. Only 20% of the businesses listed there make serious money.

      It just is what it is... no matter where you go... it's around 80-20.

      For me, I started in 2001 with an online business that sold fitness products. I had to learn everything along the way... as I went.

      and as I grew the business... my income grew, my knowledge grew, and so did my love of marketing and copywriting. That's the only reason I sold that business to get into copywriting.

      Thankfully, because of my past online success... I was able to make a six figure income from consulting/copy/coaching since then.

      But if I hadn't had that previous business experience... I wouldn't have been nearly successful.

      So, it's pretty easy to find out who is making decent money online... at least you can get a rough idea with all the analytic tools available today.

      But as with any venture... most people fail and a few succeed... the forum is no different than any other place where people meet/do business. it just is what it is.
      This thread has provided some great responses and info from people really doing it.

      And the same theme runs through all of them. It can't be done by half measures. It's needs consistency, process, hardwork and having something of real value to offer and a portfolio of work with proven results or at least a prospecting method where you can display your results first, either through a webinar or free trial offer like Voasi's. Plus a real skill set to offer.

      You need a strong mixture or combination of those things to make the 20% and a full on commitment daily.

      This has been a welcome affirmation of what I new, but which gets neglected in sales copy and advice from others in general, to push the easier version of ''so brain-dead simple my 5 year old could do. No experience necessary, buy this course today and be banking 500 check tomorrow.''

      Good to hear from people doing it properly and to know that it is those who do thinks to a professional level, and who do it full time, that are the successful ones.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
    I went full time around 2004 although I was making some
    part time money selling services to businesses before then.

    I haven't had a job since then and some years when I've put
    in some serious effort I've done very well.

    Keep in mind that the small to medium sized business niche is
    probably the largest single niche in the world so there's no
    shortage of prospects.

    And most will invest money if they think you're going to bring
    them in a positive return.

    So there's no shortage of money in the niche.


    I've helped clients make thousands and tens of thousands of dollars
    in extra sales...often in quite short time frames and often what works
    will catch you by surprise.

    I think the main things to focus on if you really want to do this are
    being genuinely committed to making the businesses you work with
    real money and to genuinely care about them.

    That will come across in all your dealings.

    Kindest regards,
    Andrew Cavanagh
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Miles
    I make money in my offline biz on a consistent basis. My system is three-fold.
    - I email potential customers to try to warm them up and then follow up with a 2nd email one week later.
    - Phone sales (using a cold call script)
    - Personally call on 10 - 12 potential businesses 5 days a week
    It's like fishing...The more often you cast your bait, the better your chances are to land a big one! BTW- I'm an Internet Marketing Consultant.
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  • Profile picture of the author MelanieandMiles
    Allright Underground... Looks like you've got a number of 'real deal' folks coming out of the woodwork at this point! Feel better?

    In all seriousness, though... I'm very curious what you've learned at this point through the thread or if your sentiment has changed at this point. Are you still super-skeptical or are you a believer that it is possible for real people to make real money online and offline at this point?

    The big pattern and reaffirming value I have received from this thread is that it appears most people have figured out a system that works for them through trial and error... Just like we mentioned in our original post... "Trial and error has been our ultimate teacher."

    Persistence and the willingness to keep going after repeated failure really seems to be the key, not just for us but for many people who spoke up here. In that regards, it seems like building an empowered mindset through personal development is just as important as the core skills and techniques.
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    • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
      Originally Posted by MelanieandMiles View Post

      Persistence and the willingness to keep going after repeated failure really seems to be the key, not just for us but for many people who spoke up here.
      I second that in a big way.

      I can remember a period of about 6 months where most of
      what I did failed or underperformed.

      My partner at the time was amazed that after a dismal failure
      within the hour I was back trying something else and giving
      it everything I had.

      You don't have time to feel sorry for yourself...self pity is a
      negative emotion that accomplishes absolutely nothing.

      If you're serious about doing this you simply have to do it
      and keep doing it until it starts working for you.


      And that doesn't mean you take action mindlessly.

      Whatever action you're taking you should be seeing what
      kind of results you're getting and doing more of what works
      and less of what doesn't work.

      You need to engage your brain in a big way in this process
      and work on discovering better and more effective ways
      of getting the results you want.

      Kindest regards,
      Andrew Cavanagh
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  • Profile picture of the author mckennabrowny
    I have been cold calling for a little over 10 years. In 2008 I started selling internet marketing for a fairly large internet marketing company and managed my own team, but the company out grew itself and didn't have the best business ethics so I decided to leave and look elswehere after 2 years at the company. Well that was a mistake as I tried some different industries. I was very burned out of the internet marketing thing as I had a bad taste after the company as I was at. Well that was a mistake and I realized how much I missed it. In October of 2010 I decided to get back into it and set up my own biz selling SEM to businesses. I turned our guest bedroom into a home office and worked from home for the first year. I treated it like a real job, I got on the phones at 8 am sharp and would work until 5 pm and sometimes later.

    I am good at cold calling and building repoire with clients. Trust me I've bought some CRAP WSO's claiming ninja tactis, gangbusters, and GAME CHANGERS hoping to ease the cold calling. Trust me, the phone gets very heavy some days, but I have a family to feed and it's all on me. I have tried Craigslist and received a few new clients, but at the end of the day cold calling is what has always worked for me. I think I could leverage Craigslist better, but haven't figured out the secret sauce yet to master it. My clientele is small to medium size businesses and I would to start targeting larger clients. This week I only got 1 new client while last week I got 4 new clients, but my weeks generally are at about 2-4 new clients.

    In my first full year I was able to produce a full time income and I am very proud of that as I was a bit scared going out on my own.

    It's hard work, and thats it. You have to work your ass off at the beginning and things will come. I agree with all of you how people get into this thinking 1 WSO will allow them to work 20 minutes a day and allow them produce $1,000's. Now that things are rolling I admit some days and weeks I can take is a little easier, but I always pound the phones setting myself up for appointments to make the end of my weeks a little easier.

    Great thread Underground, we need more of these discussions as so people can see what really does and does not work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rearden
    I wrote 11 life insurance applications for somewhere around 5000 in gross commissions before lead costs this week.

    I can typically do 3000 to 4000 in gross commissions a week with 5 to 7 applications written weekly using my direct mail lead system on a somewhat part-time basis.

    I also inked 4 deals last week at my daytime business-to-business sales job. All 4 were generated either by cold calling in-person or over-the-phone.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicholaz
    Ive been working from home for over 12 years. I sell lots of services. and products i make and own. Its not a myth you can really make real income from the internet just ask MikeLantz who owns this forum.
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    • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
      Originally Posted by nicholaz View Post

      Ive been working from home for over 12 years. I sell lots of services. and products i make and own. Its not a myth you can really make real income from the internet just ask MikeLantz who owns this forum.
      Mike does not own warrior forum. He owns warriorplus

      Allen Says owns Warrior Forum
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  • Profile picture of the author curationsoft
    I think in order for you to sell your product or services regularly, you must also work on your promotion on a regular basis.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Stewart
    I sell physical products offline by phone. I was doing it for years for a couple other companies before, but got burned out, tried something else and then decided to do it again on my own. I was doing great from 2001-2003 until the war in Iraq started and then things went under almost overnight.

    I started it up again around 15 months later and worked it until the recession finally took its toll in early 2009. However, I'd started doing IM part time by then and was making good money doing "Bum Marketing", "Google Cashing" and promoting CPA offers.

    Once Google slapped most of my sites down with the Panda update, I sold everything and lived on much of the money for around 5-6 months in 2011. After that happened I started looking at going back into the supply business again on the phone and did so last summer. I've now been doing it again for just over a year.

    I cold call, but I build relationships and regular customers that I can call back every 30 days. Customers buy anywhere from 2-6 times per year, depending on their needs.

    My goal over the next two years is to acquire 500 BUYERS that spend an average of $1000.00 per year with me. That's VERY realistic and would make for a great income.

    That being said, what I do isn't bulletproof. The economy has knocked me down twice, so I'm putting together a package to do offline website, SEO/traffic generation, services, etc part time so I'll have something extra to fall back on if things decide to go sour again. Businesses will ALWAYS need advertising!

    Yes, it's real. You just have to really want it. My day starts at 4:00 AM and I'm on the phone by 4:30. I usually cut off at Noon, take a short nap, grab some lunch and then work other projects (IM recently, but I'm moving away from that) in the afternoon.

    You just have to find a plan that works for YOU and then go do it.

    HTH,


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