[Please Help Critique] Sending Postcard To Business Owners - Bob Ross Giant Postcard

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Thanks for stopping by. I hope everyone is doing well!

I am contemplating the Bob Ross giant postcard business. The way I want to ideally prospect is by sending out postcards to business owners. For the purposes of being able to scale this to several suburbs, I want to remove the necessity to cold call or to do cold walk-ins. If I can nail prospecting by direct mail, it will making scaling a lot easier for me.

In my local area there are 10,500 homes with approximately 475 businesses. Not all businesses have shopfronts, the above figure includes businesses like plumbers, electricians etc who do not necessarily have a physical location in my area - but their business is registered in my area and so they are part of the statistic.

I intend to send a postcard to each of the 475 businesses, promoting the giant postcard. In the end, I hope to convert 16 of those into paying clients on the first month. This represents a 3.3% conversion which I understand to be achievable, but not easy in any regard.

Hence, I am here - hoping you can help me out with what I should be focusing on to get this rolling.

Say for the purposes of this thread, we'll call the target town 'Reservoir'.

Front side of post card:
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Attention Business owners of Reservoir

We're sending a GIANT postcard to all 10,500 homes in Reservoir. The postcard has only 16 spaces for local businesses to advertise on.

Do not miss your opportunity to advertise your business directly to your most local 10,500 homes, where 20,000 Reservoir residents live.

Call 00 0000 0000 to secure your spot now
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I have not yet thought much on the back side of the post card. Any ideas on what to put on the back?

Regarding pricing, what's better: quote it as '5c per home' or '$500'?

I am sure there can be a lot of improvement made. I will appreciate any help!
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  • Profile picture of the author CreekChub
    Maybe I don't understand. Are you using the Bob Ross postcards B2B (trying to find business owners who will give you money) or B2C (trying to find consumers who will give your clients money)? There is a big difference.

    EDDM is generally not successful with B2B. The routes and demographics (unless you're in a very large town) aren't typically conducive to B2B. B2C can be another story entirely.

    We need more information, unless I'm missing something.
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    • Profile picture of the author krzysiek
      Originally Posted by CreekChub View Post

      Maybe I don't understand. Are you using the Bob Ross postcards B2B (trying to find business owners who will give you money) or B2C (trying to find consumers who will give your clients money)? There is a big difference.

      EDDM is generally not successful with B2B. The routes and demographics (unless you're in a very large town) aren't typically conducive to B2B. B2C can be another story entirely.

      We need more information, unless I'm missing something.
      I intend to use the Bob Ross mailer as per normal, that is B2C. However, I want to do a B2B mailer where I reach out to local businesses and introduce them to the idea of the mailer. So I am wanting to prospect and sell the spots through establishing contact via mailing local businesses.

      Once spots are sold, I would be mailing it out to the whole area as per normal. Sorry that I was not clear the first time, thank you for your reply!
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  • Profile picture of the author mydream247
    The key to this business is since of urgency, you must make the businesses feel like there competitor is already using your service and they are missing out. It is much easier to sell in person to businesses as they are more comfortable face to face, but if you have a sample post card to show and tell them you are almost full only 2 spaces left and mailing will go out in one week, many businesses will bite, but you must offer big value for the money, tell them the average household income for the areas you are mailing, let them know you are already working with businesses in there area who are already on board, no business wants to miss out on an opportunity to grow there business. Bob's system works if you work it, and businesses understand direct mailers which makes it much easier sale.

    Good Luck
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
    I'm not sure this is the best method to use to sell the post card for a few reasons.

    First remember you will need to mail these normally (not EDDM). So I believe mailing a post card like this will cost more than mailing a letter.

    Which brings us to my second point. Which is that in this case a post card is not the best way to sell EDDM. In person or maybe in a long form sales letter I can see you being able to explain it. But on the post card not as much. In fact if it doesn't sell them on the idea it could hurt your chance later of closing them on it. Remember the first 16 may not do it again so you will need to keep closing new business to keep the card full month after month.

    May I ask why you would not sell this in person where you could use examples and explain it to the prospect?
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  • Profile picture of the author Eddie Spangler
    My advice, dont be a puss, call them up or stop by and show them what you are doing. You will be able to sell the spots much quicker when you take the initiative, if you are waiting for biz owners to call you then you may as well get in line at the soup kitchen.

    All the tips you need are within this thread http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...th-hero-3.html
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    • Profile picture of the author krzysiek
      Originally Posted by Aaron Doud View Post

      I'm not sure this is the best method to use to sell the post card for a few reasons.

      First remember you will need to mail these normally (not EDDM). So I believe mailing a post card like this will cost more than mailing a letter.

      Which brings us to my second point. Which is that in this case a post card is not the best way to sell EDDM. In person or maybe in a long form sales letter I can see you being able to explain it. But on the post card not as much. In fact if it doesn't sell them on the idea it could hurt your chance later of closing them on it. Remember the first 16 may not do it again so you will need to keep closing new business to keep the card full month after month.

      May I ask why you would not sell this in person where you could use examples and explain it to the prospect?
      Regarding the cost of mailing out the post card, I have a way in which I can get these sent out to every business owner at about the cost of EDDM. So cost wise it isn't all that much.

      The reason I would like to prospect by postcard is because I am not keen on going in person. That would be a little out of my comfort zone, but I realise it might be a lot easier to sell it in person like that. I wouldn't mind cold calling and then if there is an interest, going in to discuss. But I would not enjoy doing cold walk-ins. Also, the idea I had was if I could successfully prospect using a postcard in one town - scaling would be a lot easier to move on to other towns.

      That being said: the postcard would be going out to ALL registered businesses in the area. Not just shop front businesses with a brick and mortar location. Example: plumbers might be registered in my town but many of them won't have a physical shop front. In normal situations, I would be unable to walk in there to meet them - but with what I have found, I can send a postcard to all businesses - even those without a physical location - therefore reaching more people than I could just through doing cold calling or cold walk-ins. With the postcard, I get the database of business addresses (which I think they use Government data) - but with cold calling, I would have to find the numbers of all businesses first somehow, and I doubt I could find them all online.

      I hope that wasn't all rambling. But essentially I think the postcards will have a bigger reach (targeting literally every business in the area, based on Goverment data) but with cold calling/cold walk-ins I'd really only be able to do with businesses that have obvious physical locations or shop fronts.

      I do understand that a postcard is not the best way of prospecting here. May I ask, do you think a postcard is not good because it is too small to present the idea properly? Or do you just think mailing in general, in this case, is not a good idea?

      Because if it's the fact that it's a postcard and not big enough, etc then I can create larger mailer that goes out to them as well. Costs would be a little higher but the return on a giant postcard mailer is big enough to warrant the costs of prospecting (assuming they turn out to actually work).

      You raise a very valid point that after the first month, I would need to find another 16 that are interested. At this point I was hoping that the social proof of having received one of the giant postcards would be enough to get business owners a little less resistant to the idea. On the postcard itself I would have a bit of information on how to 'advertise here' and also I would be doing another mailer to all businesses again, encouraging them to sign up. I feel the giant postcard itself, once mailed, would win over a lot of their trust + following up with a direct mail again after the first giant postcard has been mailed would secure another 16 spots.

      Ultimately, though, I do agree. Cold calling and talking to business owners would probably produce results quickly. Meeting up with them also would be useful - but I am happy to do both of these, talk and meet in person - but I'd just like something to break the ice a little first. Maybe I am being a little too optimistic about a postcard being able to break the ice.

      Thanks so much for responding Aaron!

      Originally Posted by Eddie Spangler View Post

      My advice, dont be a puss, call them up or stop by and show them what you are doing. You will be able to sell the spots much quicker when you take the initiative, if you are waiting for biz owners to call you then you may as well get in line at the soup kitchen.

      All the tips you need are within this thread http://www.warriorforum.com/offline-...th-hero-3.html
      I can't disagree with you. In this case, 'dont be a puss' is called for and I agree. That is certainly part of why I am trying to prospect using direct mail. To reiterate on what I said above with Aaron, I don't mind calling or meeting in person - but it's the initial interest that I would like to establish using the mailer. I am not very confident at just cold calling and pitching things, especially so when it comes to actually doing a cold walk-in.

      It looks like I may really need to reconsider the way I would prospect.

      Although, since the direct mail works out to be rather cheap to do - I may give it a whirl and just see what happens as well. I was thinking of potentially sending a few, maybe one per week and this may build up enough to sell some spots before I launch, over the course of a month.

      I am very thankful for your reply, and if you have anything else to contribute (or anyone else) I will be very, very appreciative!
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      • Profile picture of the author cruisinman
        Originally Posted by krzysiek View Post

        Regarding the cost of mailing out the post card, I have a way in which I can get these sent out to every business owner at about the cost of EDDM. So cost wise it isn't all that much.
        Please share?
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        • Profile picture of the author cruisinman
          Two awesome messages here:


          Originally Posted by Aaron Doud View Post

          Ok if we want to do this way. Here is my idea.

          Why not make one side of the card a sales letter. And the other side fake coupons. If the fake coupons and card get their attention they will understand how their own coupons would get the attention of prospects.

          Just use fake businesses.

          and . . .


          Originally Posted by Eddie Spangler View Post

          Well considering that there are only 475 businesses I think sending the postcard and then following up with a phone call is optimal and manageable.

          It wont be a complete cold call as

          1. You can be more comfortable starting your conversation with something like Im calling about the postcard we mailed you a few days ago...

          2. Many people will actually remember the mailer and say something like "Yeah I was wondering about that"
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    • Profile picture of the author cruisinman
      Originally Posted by Eddie Spangler View Post

      My advice, dont be a puss, call them up or stop by and show them what you are doing. [/URL]

      Yea - he surrendered here . . .


      Originally Posted by krzysiek View Post

      For the purposes of being able to scale this to several suburbs, I want to remove the necessity to cold call or to do cold walk-ins. If I can nail prospecting by direct mail, it will making scaling a lot easier for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
    Ok if we want to do this way. Here is my idea.

    Why not make one side of the card a sales letter. And the other side fake coupons. If the fake coupons and card get their attention they will understand how their own coupons would get the attention of prospects.

    Just use fake businesses.
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    • Profile picture of the author krzysiek
      Originally Posted by Aaron Doud View Post

      Ok if we want to do this way. Here is my idea.

      Why not make one side of the card a sales letter. And the other side fake coupons. If the fake coupons and card get their attention they will understand how their own coupons would get the attention of prospects.

      Just use fake businesses.
      Hi Aaron, thanks for stopping by again. You seem to be full of creative ideas. I really like the idea of putting coupons on one side! I think I might just use that!
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    • Profile picture of the author rjohnsen
      Originally Posted by Aaron Doud View Post

      Ok if we want to do this way. Here is my idea.

      Why not make one side of the card a sales letter. And the other side fake coupons. If the fake coupons and card get their attention they will understand how their own coupons would get the attention of prospects.

      Just use fake businesses.
      Another concept would be to use YOUR business on the reverse side - offer a time-sensitive discount on your EDDM mailing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
    I like to think outside the box.

    I always stop and think what would get my attention. Once I have the basic idea then it can be fine tuned with the right copy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eddie Spangler
    Well considering that there are only 475 businesses I think sending the postcard and then following up with a phone call is optimal and manageable.

    It wont be a complete cold call as
    1. You can be more comfortable starting your conversation with something like Im calling about the postcard we mailed you a few days ago...
    2. Many people will actually remember the mailer and say something like "Yeah I was wondering about that"
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  • Profile picture of the author Doran Peck
    What I've done in the past is put mock ads of he 16 or 20 businesses that I e scouted out and really want on be card. So those businesses see themselves on the card and get an idea of he type of offer expected of them. I also try to diversify the type of ad or coupon examples so they can see here is quite an array of creativity they themselves can use.

    I'd shy away from declaring "16 ads on the card" just say something similar to "limited select ads" ...and phrases like "every ad gets looked at". "High visibility" ...you see part of the nature of this beast is that it benefits a little more from curiosity... There are a lot of elements to scan...and they eyes are sent out to answer the question "is here something here for me"
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  • Profile picture of the author wsands
    Did you ever test this out?

    I'd be interested to hear how it went if you did.
    Additionally, if it did work, I would think you would want to mail out to an area you could hit up like 5000 businesses. Then if you get too many phone calls you just print 2 or 3 of them. What a terrible problem to have...

    Originally Posted by krzysiek View Post

    Thanks for stopping by. I hope everyone is doing well!

    I am contemplating the Bob Ross giant postcard business. The way I want to ideally prospect is by sending out postcards to business owners. For the purposes of being able to scale this to several suburbs, I want to remove the necessity to cold call or to do cold walk-ins. If I can nail prospecting by direct mail, it will making scaling a lot easier for me.

    In my local area there are 10,500 homes with approximately 475 businesses. Not all businesses have shopfronts, the above figure includes businesses like plumbers, electricians etc who do not necessarily have a physical location in my area - but their business is registered in my area and so they are part of the statistic.

    I intend to send a postcard to each of the 475 businesses, promoting the giant postcard. In the end, I hope to convert 16 of those into paying clients on the first month. This represents a 3.3% conversion which I understand to be achievable, but not easy in any regard.

    Hence, I am here - hoping you can help me out with what I should be focusing on to get this rolling.

    Say for the purposes of this thread, we'll call the target town 'Reservoir'.

    Front side of post card:
    -------------------------
    Attention Business owners of Reservoir

    We're sending a GIANT postcard to all 10,500 homes in Reservoir. The postcard has only 16 spaces for local businesses to advertise on.

    Do not miss your opportunity to advertise your business directly to your most local 10,500 homes, where 20,000 Reservoir residents live.

    Call 00 0000 0000 to secure your spot now
    -------------------------

    I have not yet thought much on the back side of the post card. Any ideas on what to put on the back?

    Regarding pricing, what's better: quote it as '5c per home' or '$500'?

    I am sure there can be a lot of improvement made. I will appreciate any help!
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    Hi, I'm wsands and I approve this message.

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    • Profile picture of the author upmatthews
      I think if you use the giant postcard to show how the card is noticed, it will help alot. Try an headline like "Size Does Matter, When You Want To Get Noticed". A picture of the card in a mailbox would help alot. Then go through the benefits of the card; saturation marketing, exclusive featured business, nothing to open or flip through, inexpensive, etc.

      Hope this helps, good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author gjabiz
    Some ideas.

    Send the full size postcard. On the front you'll have 6 ads on left side, 6 on right. In the middle will be a quiz. Which coupon was more profitable? The 6 coupons on left will be for six different types of business, the six on right will be for those same business. Example, pizza shop on left with a discount, pizza shop on right with a BOGO offer. Results on back.

    On the back you explain why couponing works but explain WHY some are more profitable than others (data available from local media). Tell them why giant postcard coupons are the way to go.

    Offer a FREE report via email, use an autoresponder and give them a short report on media buys for your area, and in the free report end with a pitch for the coupon.

    So, you need to collect local media data...write brief report, lay out postcard and have 500 printed, send to businesses with free report offer have autoresponder deliver report with a call to action.

    When I was selling space ads and coupons, I used the media comparison to effectively defeat the competition.

    Idea 2. On the front you put several pictures of giant postcards with RESULTS, such as Pizza shop got a 22% return of coupons or ROI.

    On the back you get into WHY this is best for their business and you are the advertising/marketing expert in your area, offer a free consult/analysis of their current ads, and when you do this you show the post card is a better buy.

    I agree that in person is best, however, if you are willing to spend some money to test this out, then you could stumble on a direct mail campaign and operate in many locations. So, it is worth testing if your pockets can take the hit, but, you better send out a professional looking/feeling postcard or else you've shot yourself in the foot at the get-go.

    gjabiz

    PS. I've used the comparison quiz on several types of products including media buying.
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