Do you guys actually enjoy it?

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I have made a lot of money in the past with offline marketing for clients etc...

But I absolutely hated it!!

The emails the phone calls the questions and it was constant!!!

I have returned to affiliate marketing and making way more money and I don't have to deal with loser small business owners who always seem to be using online as a last ditch attempt to save their business from the receivers...

I only do a bit of work for a choice few clients now and my life is so much better :-)

Danny
#enjoy #guys
  • Profile picture of the author rizy
    I have never been a good Internet marketer, just never understood organic SEO, I am awesome at local SEO but not the other one. And I am an awesome sales person, and I don't really like marketing, I'd rather provide design services and solutions.

    For me I feel awesome when I take them from a look of a fat Houston mom to a hot and curvy Miami beach girl. Branding. And then I love how stupid they are to know the opportunities they are missing and how much expertise I have, so I do enjoy it a lot. And there is a lot of money to be made in offline world.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    Seems to me you chose to hire the wrong customer profile. I would NEVER work with a business who's at the point of wanting my services because they are about to fail.

    Originally Posted by Danny Cutts View Post

    I have made a lot of money in the past with offline marketing for clients etc...

    But I absolutely hated it!!

    The emails the phone calls the questions and it was constant!!!

    I have returned to affiliate marketing and making way more money and I don't have to deal with loser small business owners who always seem to be using online as a last ditch attempt to save their business from the receivers...

    I only do a bit of work for a choice few clients now and my life is so much better :-)

    Danny
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    • Profile picture of the author Danny Cutts
      Originally Posted by Rus Sells View Post

      Seems to me you chose to hire the wrong customer profile. I would NEVER work with a business who's at the point of wanting my services because they are about to fail.
      Your probably right because the few I have left are the ones that had a great business model in the first place :-)

      They are also not "Needy" which works for my lifestyle is work hard and play harder :-)

      I will be most certainly sticking to aff world

      Danny
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      • Profile picture of the author abbot
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        Just like any other money making venue, it has it's up's and down's. You learn as you go...

        How to cope with the stress
        How to manage clients
        Who to stay away from
        Who to target

        Etc..

        It's all a learning curve and the more you learn the easier it gets. I think people are always disappointed because you Aff marketers come here because you hear that SOMEONE ACTUALLY PAID $1,200 for a website. You think...hell...i can do that and make bank.

        Many come into this niche with money signs in their eyes when in reality, they have no idea how much work it is to keep up with clients.

        I have a problem with the guys here that claim to do NOTHING month to month. They make it sound like they just kick back, sip margaritas, and make the money. That's not reality. I remember when I was just starting and I had finally reached 25 SEO clients. I did the work myself and was literally in front of the computer 16 hours a day.

        People come around here expecting so much for so little
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        • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
          Originally Posted by abbot View Post

          Just like any other money making venue, it has it's up's and down's. You learn as you go...

          How to cope with the stress
          How to manage clients
          Who to stay away from
          Who to target

          Etc..

          It's all a learning curve and the more you learn the easier it gets. I think people are always disappointed because you Aff marketers come here because you hear that SOMEONE ACTUALLY PAID $1,200 for a website. You think...hell...i can do that and make bank.

          Many come into this niche with money signs in their eyes when in reality, they have no idea how much work it is to keep up with clients.

          I have a problem with the guys here that claim to do NOTHING month to month. They make it sound like they just kick back, sip margaritas, and make the money. That's not reality. I remember when I was just starting and I had finally reached 25 SEO clients. I did the work myself and was literally in front of the computer 16 hours a day.

          People come around here expecting so much for so little
          Agreed...this is a "full time and more" business. I have to make sure I carve out time for my wife, and just to go outside and walk a dog. If I let this business take over my life, it does...in fact, it probably has taken it over.

          During the day, there are always client questions. And you have to prospect for more work. Then at night you have to work on content. I don't know how many times I've gone to bed at 1AM and woken up at 3AM with an idea and had to work on it right then--because otherwise it would die.

          Even when you outsource what you can, responsibility for everything still comes down to Y-O-U.
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          • Profile picture of the author Danny Cutts
            Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

            Agreed...this is a "full time and more" business. I have to make sure I carve out time for my wife, and just to go outside and walk a dog. If I let this business take over my life, it does...in fact, it probably has taken it over.

            During the day, there are always client questions. And you have to prospect for more work. Then at night you have to work on content. I don't know how many times I've gone to bed at 1AM and woken up at 3AM with an idea and had to work on it right then--because otherwise it would die.

            Even when you outsource what you can, responsibility for everything still comes down to Y-O-U.
            Hiya

            I can get a job that is full time and full of stress :-) The reason why most people come to work online is to avoid having to deal with people.

            Don't get me wrong I made a shit load of money doing offline and managed clients perfectly :-) it was just far to much work for me though and even outsourcing would have still mounted to being a headache.

            I live for the buzz of affiliate marketing and the fact I can spend my time and efforts building my business rather than working with others :-)

            Danny
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            • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
              Originally Posted by Danny Cutts View Post

              Hiya

              I can get a job that is full time and full of stress :-) The reason why most people come to work online is to avoid having to deal with people.

              Don't get me wrong I made a shit load of money doing offline and managed clients perfectly :-) it was just far to much work for me though and even outsourcing would have still mounted to being a headache.

              I live for the buzz of affiliate marketing and the fact I can spend my time and efforts building my business rather than working with others :-)

              Danny
              Well...then maybe you need to take stock and say Offline isn't for you...that you'd rather be working on a different part of the process.

              However, I have no idea how you're going to get clients without talking to people.
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              • Profile picture of the author CageyVet
                Not every person or personality type is suited for working with businesses and their internet needs.

                The one thing I know for sure though is that too many people try to get into internet marketing offline or affiliate and do not take the time to figure out what the best situation for them personally. They read a pdf, watch a webinar, get advice from a friend on how to rank a website etc etc...then just plow forward with that idea without any thought for themselves personally, the business concept or a complete strategy. Then they run into road blocks and either quit, complain or make it worse by banging their head against the wall over and over...

                Best thing to do is to figure out what kind of work situation you want, figure out what type of work can achieve that and then figure out a strategy to implement that work for your preferred situation.
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              • Profile picture of the author Danny Cutts
                Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

                Well...then maybe you need to take stock and say Offline isn't for you...that you'd rather be working on a different part of the process.

                However, I have no idea how you're going to get clients without talking to people.
                Lol :-)

                Dont worry I can design and rank sites etc :-) No problems with that at all :-)

                Just didnt like the work that was involved :-) I found it simple to rank and I a always been driven by a challenge.

                I taught a good friend of mine about offline and he is making a cracking living and loves every second of it but he works long long hours which suits him but I was put on this planet to enjoy myself and not work my balls off :-)

                Danny
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    • Profile picture of the author rizy
      I would take a business that is about to fail; its a challenge and its fun because I know I can help it.
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      • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
        Originally Posted by rizy View Post

        I would take a business that is about to fail; its a challenge and its fun because I know I can help it.
        In that case, make sure they pay up front, and the whole bit not just some. Too risky in my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author socialentry
    I too genuinely dislike the customer service aspect and that is an understatement. I take it as a necessary evil.

    I can't think of any worthwhile profession that does not involve long hours to get at the top of the field. If it's not on the job itself, it's in university/apprenticeship.

    Choices in life are simple.

    Even Princes can get taken down by their underlings if they're not careful.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnE
    Originally Posted by Danny Cutts View Post

    I have made a lot of money in the past with offline marketing for clients etc...

    But I absolutely hated it!!

    The emails the phone calls the questions and it was constant!!!

    I have returned to affiliate marketing and making way more money and I don't have to deal with loser small business owners who always seem to be using online as a last ditch attempt to save their business from the receivers...

    I only do a bit of work for a choice few clients now and my life is so much better :-)

    Danny
    I agree, offline marketing is a lot of work, dealing with small business owners on a regular basis is a tremendous pain which I don't particularly enjoy. It does, however, provide for a quick way to start making an income online.

    The best way is to start building and ranking websites while generating an income from it so that one day, all income will be produced by those sites rendering offline marketing unecessary; that's when the real IM lifestyle kicks in. At least that's my plan.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Martin
    Offline marketing is definitely not my passion nor is it my "calling", so to speak. But I'm successful at it and it's something that will allow me to do great things with my life. I don't necessarily hate it, but it's work for me and it's not always the most fun. I take pride in my victories though (ex. closing a sale) and those moments are always rewarding.

    As long as offline marketing remains competitive, unpredictable, and rewarding, I don't see myself stopping. The money and potential is solid, and best of all I can do it alongside my schooling (at least to some capacity!).

    I don't always enjoy the work that I do, but I appreciate it.
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  • Profile picture of the author eClicker
    If it got to that point I could see hiring a VA. A few friends of mine who do something similar they are computer consultants. They train the clients to use email and don't even respond to phone calls or nagging. I know it's harsh to say you "train" your clients but I have had clients call be at 10pm before simply because they thought they had access like that.
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  • Profile picture of the author cheddarben
    If I could figure out how to do the IM part successfully,YES I would be happy doing it. Then again, the hunt is fun too.
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  • Profile picture of the author DaniMc
    I absolutely love my clients. I absolutely love the work I do for them.

    If someone doesn't feel that way about what they are doing, they should change.

    You only get one life.
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  • Profile picture of the author CageyVet
    Taking on a business that is about to fail or is looking to Internet Marketing as a last ditch effort to make money or keep the doors open....is not at all the same as working with a growing business that has a solid foundation, business plan and business owners.

    To take on a failing or in trouble business from an Internet Marketing perspective is about business management instead of just internet marketing. Also you have to either take the completely hands off approach or the complete take over approach. Hands off means, that you tell them what you are going to do for them, then you do it with out any if ands or butts...just do the work and get out. You can do this from a strictly internet marketing perspective....

    The take over approach is where the business management comes into play. This is where you have to sit down with the business, figure out a marketing strategy (not just ranking their website), "TELL" the owner that X and Y need to be done by them and if not, your work will not even start...then when you are doing work, you have to be the boss of them, telling them how things are going to go, work and be done. If a business owner is willing to let you do that, then they can be helped...if not, just walk away. Simple as that...
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  • Profile picture of the author digichik
    I enjoy my business. I enjoy working with people, they fascinate me. I will admit I enjoy it more now that I charge more and I target businesses that understand the value of marketing and are willing to spend money to make money.

    I don't bother trying to educate small business owners on the value of marketing their businesses, been there done that. Most of the time it is futile. I avoid and eliminate exercises in futility. Now I smile a whole lot more and enjoy my business.

    Experience has taught me the clients who pay me alot are less headache, they let me do what I do without much interference, they just want results. It's important to me to make sure they get those results. I'm happier than they are when their revenue goes up as a direct result of my efforts.
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