Branding and Creating Industry Jargon. What are your thoughts?

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I have created a side business from an offline passion of skydiving. I spend half my weekends jumping from planes so I figured I should figure out a way to make some money doing it as well.

I will be jumping out of planes while holding company signs/products as well as a couple other services that pertain to advertising. I will have a cameraman with me to take HD pictures and video so the client can use those pics for adverts, billboards and the like.

So here is the question that I have. As far as I know it is the first company in the world of it's kind. I had to create the industry type, which I call "Free Fall Advertising".

I currently own the .com of that name but I am thinking that I should create an actual company name (Blue Sky Marketing, etc) and have my tag line as "The Worlds First Free Fall Advertising Company". I would only use that if it is the first of course.

I am a little confused and would very much appreciate the input.
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  • Profile picture of the author NewParadigm
    have the term and your name the same. Like Kleenex. Free Fall Advertising would be the term and your company name.
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    • Profile picture of the author Breakinglink
      This is where my confusion lies. Kleenex makes disposable paper tissues. The product is disposable paper tissues.

      What I feel will happen is confusion between my product/service and my company name. If I continue to use the example from above, it would be like saying "I am buying some disposable paper tissues made by Disposable Paper Tissues."

      When I end up with competition, I want to make sure not to confuse customers or allow competitors to piggyback off my name.
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      • Profile picture of the author IvoryPulse
        Company and brands are two different things. The company is an association. Brand is the product made by the company. The names don't have to be the same, but can if you have a brand big enough so you can concentrate only on that one product.

        Do you have a long term business plan done? In case you will expand your services, and most likely you will, "Free Fall Advertising" won't do. I would create a strong and catchy company name and "Free Fall Advertising" brand under that name.
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        • Profile picture of the author Breakinglink
          Originally Posted by IvoryPulse View Post

          Company and brands are two different things. The company is an association. Brand is the product made by the company. The names don't have to be the same, but can if you have a brand big enough so you can concentrate only on that one product.

          Do you have a long term business plan done? In case you will expand your services, and most likely you will, "Free Fall Advertising" won't do. I would create a strong and catchy company name and "Free Fall Advertising" brand under that name.
          I know I should plan for it to grow in case it does but it really has been secondary to the fact I will be getting paid to do something I love. No I do not have a long term business plan but that will be the next thing on my list.

          I believe I understand what you are saying with branding and the company. I will give this all a bit more thought with a larger picture in mind.
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      • Profile picture of the author misterme
        Originally Posted by Breakinglink View Post

        This is where my confusion lies. Kleenex makes disposable paper tissues. The product is disposable paper tissues.

        What I feel will happen is confusion between my product/service and my company name. If I continue to use the example from above, it would be like saying "I am buying some disposable paper tissues made by Disposable Paper Tissues."

        When I end up with competition, I want to make sure not to confuse customers or allow competitors to piggyback off my name.
        You're over thinking this. With Kleenex, they were first in the consumer's mind for tissues and every one got to calling those tissues "kleenex" (and I s'pose Kleenex played a part in forging that).

        Same thing happened with Xerox.

        So your service is an advertising medium but your company name could possibly become what that service is called. That's not "confusion." That's "owning the industry"! You should be so lucky.

        So say you become Number One and a bunch of imitators pop up, which they will. You still own the placement in the consumer's mind because you were first (if you created awareness) but now it's a different strategy because there are more than just you.

        Now you move to become the "market leader."

        You do that by being innovative ahead of the others and that's how you keep the lead. Not by your name - but by your moves.

        So back to what to call it. The name has to clearly with no doubt send the message of what you do. You'll need to close the doors, shut off all distractions and write out 100 names to get it. So I'm not sold on rip cord or blue sky or free fall. "Space Jump" would be closer, not that I'm suggesting it.

        You could probably google terms related to that space jump and see if any ideas come to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wayne M.
    Not to be the downer, but the first image that popped in my head when I read "Free Fall Advertising" was a big red arrow on a graph trending downward.

    Perhaps there are more "uplifting" terms in the skydiving world?

    maybe:

    Open Sky
    Horizons Edge
    Beyond Sky


    Maybe it's all in my head

    Cool concept though, all the best.
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  • Profile picture of the author NewParadigm
    why would you want to teach people 2 things to remember? If you are coining the phrase and trademarking it, that is what people will remember and search for. Even if competition comes up and people search for FFA, it'll come up as your company site.
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    • Profile picture of the author Breakinglink
      Originally Posted by NewParadigm View Post

      why would you want to teach people 2 things to remember? If you are coining the phrase and trademarking it, that is what people will remember and search for. Even if competition comes up and people search for FFA, it'll come up as your company site.
      Yea I understand what you are saying and this was my initial thought. I just wanted to run it past other people before I moved ahead.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
    I agree that I think Free Fall Marketing may have a negative connotation. So you may want another term.

    Also I believe the company name and the term being the same would be good.

    Interesting idea to make money from your hobby. My question (and that of your prospects I am sure) is this, Why would I want someone jumping out of a plane to be holding my sign? What is the advantage to me?

    The same could be ask of the guys who wears your shirt all day but he answers it very well. So I await your answer.
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    • Profile picture of the author Breakinglink
      I had not thought about free fall being as negative. I definitely see the association and that if potential clients associate "free fall" with losing money or being out of control, that is something I should want to avoid.

      Originally Posted by Aaron Doud View Post

      The same could be ask of the guys who wears your shirt all day but he answers it very well. So I await your answer.
      My answer is that it creates an unforgettable advertisement in a way that is difficult to make on your own. It evokes the feeling of excitement and is associated with something that a lot of people dream of doing. A company might be looking to change their image.

      You slap this poster size picture in the middle of a waiting room, lobby or office and people have something to stare at and as Jason pointed out, there are some people who just want to show off. (Nice up sell idea)

      That is how I would probably explain this to a potential client.
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      • Profile picture of the author Aaron Doud
        Originally Posted by Breakinglink View Post

        My answer is that it creates an unforgettable advertisement in a way that is difficult to make on your own. It evokes the feeling of excitement and is associated with something that a lot of people dream of doing. A company might be looking to change their image.

        You slap this poster size picture in the middle of a waiting room, lobby or office and people have something to stare at and as Jason pointed out, there are some people who just want to show off. (Nice up sell idea)
        You got it. Remember you are not selling them you jumping out of a plane with a banner. You are selling them that unique excitement that only this service can provide.

        No one will buy "advertise on me as i jump out of a plane". But many may but the package you put together when you show them how it can bring excitement to their brand.

        Also let's not compare this to the red bull space jump. The Space Jump was perfectly branded to what Red Bull is and their market it. Red Bull has built a brand around the extreme. Rather that be racing, home made flying, or Space Jumping.

        But does their branding give you an idea of where to start? IMO yes. You need to seek out companies that want that same excitement. But ones that haven't defined their brand yet in that way.

        A law firm is unlikely to buy this while an energy drink company likely would. A sports retailer would as well. If the brand is about excitement they are your customer. The companies that want to stand out and be different are your customers.

        I was going to suggest maybe creating a weekly fall in the vein of I Wear Your Shirt.com but it appears that brand is changing. Sad really as his basic model seemed like a sound business plan even though IMO he charged too little and stuck to his price model too long.
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        • Profile picture of the author shane_k
          Originally Posted by Aaron Doud View Post


          No one will buy "advertise on me as i jump out of a plane". But many may but the package you put together when you show them how it can bring excitement to their brand.
          Funny, when I read this I thought if someone does sell only the "advertise on me as I jump out of a plane" the only place you would see it is Fiverr. lol

          If you do it this way you will probably make small change like people on fiverr.

          but if you do it the way Aaron suggested then you will make way, way more.

          Small change in perspective, big difference in results and revenue.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    The second I read "free fall" it conjured feelings of being out of control. Perhaps RIP CORD Marketing might be a better name.

    Most people instantly know what a rip cord is and how it's used to control the decent. Just my 2 cents.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      I like the name "Para-Promotions". It sounds like what you do, and there is no bad connotation.

      Yeah, You need to come up with a very god reason that advertisers will buy your skydiving ads. I mean a good reason from their point of view.

      "I enjoy skydiving" isn't going to make it.

      Added after I read Russ Sells post.

      Damn it Russ! "Rip Cord" is a pretty snazzy name too. And because of you..you...I'm not the center of attention.:rolleyes:
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    They'll buy because it's interesting?

    This could be an ego or experience thing: some behavioral types will buy because "it's cool"...some would buy if they could jump out of the plane with you. (I hear an upsell!)

    Why did that guy jump out of orbit for Red Bull last year? Stupid as heck and what does it have to do with Red Bull? "Who cares?!" is the correct answer!


    People watched and it got attention. Do you care that it broke a record? (I don't. It was interesting regardless.) So this as far as I can figure is for a bump in interest.
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  • Profile picture of the author serryjw
    I would contact ad agencies with your portfolio...do it yourself is great but they have the Nike's of the world.."Just Do IT"!!

    I LOVE 'Rip Cord'( like communication better than marketing. Words are not necessary, the jump is...It is perfect for a specific demographic.
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  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    blue skies, black death.

    enough said
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  • Profile picture of the author Breakinglink
    Thanks for the advice everyone. It has given me much to think about and how I will be going about moving forward.
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    • Profile picture of the author Breakinglink
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      @the OP: what height do you plan to jump from?
      A typical jump is from 14,500 feet. Which is roughly 60 seconds of free fall time and 3-4 minutes under canopy.

      I will be jumping from the height everyone else is to make this business cost effective. Approximately $52.00 in costs for the ride for myself and a camera person/model.
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      • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
        Originally Posted by Breakinglink View Post

        A typical jump is from 14,500 feet. Which is roughly 60 seconds of free fall time and 3-4 minutes under canopy.

        I will be jumping from the height everyone else is to make this business cost effective. Approximately $52.00 in costs for the ride for myself and a camera person/model.
        In FL its 13,5
        never jumped any where else in the USA. jumped once in the Dominican
        and it was a little higher.
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  • Profile picture of the author MouseandMice
    1) "free fall" isn't a good term in business.
    2) stating you are the "first" in a style of marketing is good if you have a track record of it working. If you don't have a track record, you are just getting the business to say "you mean it probably doesn't work and is risky?"
    3) Yes- Go the kleenex route. Long term it gives you a solid edge.
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