How do I get pass 3yrs "You don't even have your website Up yet, why should I do business with you?"

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Here's where I come from...

In 2010 I discovered internet and attraction marketing because I was yet on another trend of struggling in my network marketing company. I learned that the principles to successful internet network marketing, were the exact same success principles for any business that wants to have some success at slicing a piece of the giant web cashflow pie!

After being ignorant and on fire creating funnels, capture pages, facebook posting, Youtube video making and holding my own webinars...I managed to make some valuable connections and create a minute cluster of people who were inspired by me. They had no money just as I didn't but they believed in the prospect of being able to do, have, and be more!

I had people who told me I was a blessing n their lives because of the hope I gave them and although I was making no money, I felt honored to be helping someone whether I was profiting or not...the money will come.

3 months later, I partner with another marketer who is brilliant and cut my learning curve by years, learning and becoming proficient at creating funnels, web pages, graphic design etc., so we create a business dedicated to serving offline businesses...with him we talked with several prospective entrepreneurs, but no one could afford the services and we couldn't afford to drive the traffic via paid efforts and meanwhile I am behind on rent many months, my boys are not having any time with dad even though I'm home all the time (Single dad of two boys).

I eventually went back to work as a telesales man because I was at the brink of eviction. I become top sales person immediately, attract a lot of great energy and people who want my gleam and passion to work for them, and I leave that job because a limo service company wants me to be their marketing director and they want to invest money in my potential. I now have an office, a limo at my disposal and everyone feeling like I arrived.

At the end of the day, they didn't invest the cash in me, they didn't take my advice and invest the cash in the services I could provide and we part ways with me cold calling the yellow pages to sell my marketing services. I presented to 4 prospects out of hundreds of calls, and no one pulls the trigger on any service after meeting, me presenting how any internet marketing will enhance their business. Even though they expressed that the price is right, no one calls back or answers the phone.

I humble myself and go back to work! This is a cycle that I must stop! There is more story yet and still, but I am not going to quit so I now am back to working for myself and getting the same things that are keeping me from collecting any checks. People are not interested in the 9 x 12 postcard at the very least to gain an advantage on the competition.

I have no problem attracting prospects, I can't stand going door to door but I have no cash resources to even erect my site so I have to do what I can to have people experience me. I have gone out the last two weeks to speak to business owners and they are not interested. They are glowing when I walk in because I look like a professional athlete, very sharp and cleanly presented...but once they realize that I am not spending, they feel like "OK, I'm not letting him sell me!"

Not sure if this was acute enough about what I'm going thru but, I have been looking for help only to feel the same way over and over "I wish I did have the $5k I would get your training...I wish I did have the $10K to invest in your bootcamp I would be in.

I need a true mentor who has made the money, closed the deals and built the relationships with their clients that I am looking to do. How do I make the money needed to invest more into my development and success. I have the mechanics and will, but the art of getting the client to feel I am worth adding to their team and spending money with me, is what I need to be groomed on!

My two boys who've been sleeping on an ottman while I'm on the couch in my cousin's living room...need me to be better!
#3yrs #attract ideal clients #closing on the phone #closing the sale #pass
  • Profile picture of the author SashaLee
    Originally Posted by phillgdeal View Post

    People are not interested in the 9 x 12 postcard at the very least to gain an advantage on the competition.

    I have no problem attracting prospects,

    I can't stand going door to door

    I have no cash resources

    I have gone out the last two weeks to speak to business owners and they are not interested.
    Hi there,

    Who, specifically are these "people" and "businesses" who are not interested? How did you qualify them?

    All the best,

    Sasha
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    • Profile picture of the author phillgdeal
      Originally Posted by SashaLee View Post

      Hi there,

      Who, specifically are these "people" and "businesses" who are not interested? How did you qualify them?

      All the best,

      Sasha
      I have so far went to a shopping center in the heart of the area I am targeting for my direct mail co-op. The businesses I have approached are pet shops, chinese food restaurants, nail salons, tanning salon and a pizza. As I am writing this, I have to admit that I am guilty of not following up on some of these prospects, and I have no qualifying process. I haven't taken advantage of what this forum has to offer and have since been reading past posts since posting my own!

      I took for granted that I excel at many things I engage in, and feel like I should be producing more based on my talent, knowledge and most cherished gift of being able to connect, empower and enchant people. I am short on how to translate that into business vs. a great conversationalist, a pristine presenter that is too pristine to get results! I appreciate you reading and reaching out!
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    You know there are free places you can put up a site like wix or even a google site...one of mine, that I put together in 2010 after moving to the US (not being allowed to work for most of a year during the immigration process, and having NO cash) STILL gets me calls from presidents of defense contractors; so don't knock free sites too much).

    I'm sure a fellow Warrior would let you pay the whole $3.99 or even $12 for the domain and then let you have the hosting because an additional site is free and no big deal for them. Get creative. Where there's a will there's a way. I can't run an Amazon affiliate program because I live in North Carolina. Skimlinks just killed their Amazon affiliate program for people in NC. So I'm cut off on that route. I immediately found another solution--and not through another 3rd party program. Start using your noggin.

    As far as your other comments, about "people can't afford, don't see the value" in this or that...you likely have a lot to learn about qualifying and selling. It's great that you can go prospecting. That's a good first step and one many people never begin. There are skills to develop now.
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    • Profile picture of the author phillgdeal
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      You know there are free places you can put up a site like wix or even a google site (one of mine that I put together in 2010 after moving to the US, not being allowed to work for most of a year during the immigration process, and having NO cash STILL gets me calls from presidents of defense contractors; so don't knock free sites too much).

      I'm sure a fellow Warrior would let you pay the whole $3.99 or even $12 for the domain and then let you have the hosting because an additional site is free and no big deal for them. Get creative. Where there's a will there's a way. I can't run an Amazon affiliate program because I live in North Carolina. Skimlinks just killed their Amazon affiliate program for people in NC. So I'm cut off on that route. I immediately found another solution--and not through another 3rd party program. Start using your noggin.

      As far as your other comments, about "people can't afford, don't see the value" in this or that...you likely have a lot to learn about qualifying and selling. It's great that you can go prospecting. That's a good first step and one many people never begin. There are skills to develop now.
      Jason, I truly appreciate your feedback! I have been reading your posts since posting my own and I do need to "turn up" the noggin use! I have the drive and tenacity which was good in becoming a dominant football & basketball player...but I now need to develop a different skill-set to dominate as a consultant and solutionist (my own word).

      I have a domain name already and I guess I was selling the "free sites" short on the value they provide because I want to have what I used to have and continue taking steps forward and upwards. I need a concise process of qualification too, because I have done many one on one presentations that ends up with "I need to see what I can do..."

      I presented the direct mail co-op to a deli owner that I know personally Monday...he said it's too big & too many other businesses. He wants his own, wants it smaller and wants to do business with me for at least 3-6 months so he can see how well the campaign works! I took him a 6.5 x 11 postcard mock yesterday and he said it's overkill for his local store and he doesn't want to spend $1,000 for 6 months! He'd rather spend $500 for that time period on a Clear Channel digital sign outside his store! He said draw it up again and come back because he's committed to doing business with me....and he said get my site up!

      Jason you are awesome my man & I am learning a lot from you and appreciate your attention!
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      • Profile picture of the author misterme
        You're not going to like this post because it's a kick in your pants. But it's completely well meant, OK?

        The problem is you don't have good selling skills AND you don't have any good strategy. You try everything and anything, jumping from one thing to the other, never building vertically and never watching for baby steps and improving as you go. You like compliments, and who doesn't, but mistakenly think somehow that should translate to making money. You believe in your abilities, but you don't have the chops.

        YOU are being your own obstacle.

        Don't mean to sound harsh, I'm merely bottom lining what I see in your words:

        Originally Posted by phillgdeal View Post

        I was yet on another trend of struggling in my network marketing company...

        After being ignorant and on fire creating funnels, capture pages, facebook posting, Youtube video making and holding my own webinars... I managed to make some valuable connections and create a minute cluster of people who were inspired by me. They had no money...

        I had people who told me I was a blessing n their lives because of the hope I gave them and although I was making no money, I felt honored...

        3 months later, I partner with another marketer who is brilliant and cut my learning curve by years, learning and becoming proficient at creating funnels, web pages, graphic design etc., so we create a business dedicated to serving offline businesses...with him we talked with several prospective entrepreneurs, but no one could afford the services...

        [MisterMe's Note: how "brilliant" is a marketer who can't get a decent price point figured out? Or can't figure out that the price objection they keep getting is a smokescreen indicating no one wants to buy in to their proposition? ]

        I eventually went back to work as a telesales man because I was at the brink of eviction. I become top sales person immediately...

        I leave that job
        because a limo service company wants me to be their marketing director and they want to invest money in my potential...

        At the end of the day, they didn't invest the cash in me, they didn't take my advice and invest the cash in the services I could provide

        cold calling the yellow pages to sell my marketing services. I presented to 4 prospects out of hundreds of calls, and no one pulls the trigger on any service after meeting...

        Even though they expressed that the price is right, no one calls back or answers the phone.

        [MisterMe's Note: you learned how not to sell from your Mentor pal]

        now am back to working for myself...
        People are not interested in the 9 x 12 postcard...
        I can't stand going door to door...

        The businesses I have approached are pet shops, chinese food restaurants, nail salons, tanning salon and a pizza...
        I am guilty of not following up on some of these prospects, and I have no qualifying process...

        I took for granted that I excel at many things I engage in, and feel like I should be producing more based on my talent, knowledge and most cherished gift of being able to connect, empower and enchant people.
        See what I mean?

        Originally Posted by phillgdeal View Post

        ...speak to business owners and they are not interested. They are glowing when I walk in because I look like a professional athlete, very sharp and cleanly presented...but once they realize that I am not spending, they feel like "OK, I'm not letting him sell me!"
        You're a mind reader then are you? Quick, tell me what I'm thinking right now. OK, so I'm half joking around but my point is you're assuming what others are thinking and imputing their behavior to what you're imagining. Those motives you ascribed seem real to you only because they're based on the physical evidence of the business owner's behaviors, but what they're actually thinking is invisible to you.

        Proof: OTHER people will come along and sell them something. They will buy.


        Originally Posted by phillgdeal View Post

        I presented the direct mail co-op to a deli owner that I know personally Monday...he said it's too big & too many other businesses. He wants his own, wants it smaller and wants to do business with me for at least 3-6 months so he can see how well the campaign works! I took him a 6.5 x 11 postcard mock yesterday and he said it's overkill for his local store and he doesn't want to spend $1,000 for 6 months! He'd rather spend $500 for that time period on a Clear Channel digital sign outside his store! He said draw it up again and come back because he's committed to doing business with me....and he said get my site up
        This is a glowing example showing how you need to learn how to sell. He "sold" you on the idea he needs smaller. You said yes sir! and worked on a mock up only to find it still wasn't right and he sold you again on the idea that now it was overkill. And so on. You're acting like an order taker.

        The Clear Channel salesperson sold him though, eh?

        Meanwhile he's baiting you, keeping you on the hook, probably using you for ideas.

        Don't write back with excuses or rationalizations or denials. Don't post more details intended to shed new light on what you've already written. You simply need to cut that cord with the past, get out of your own way, wipe your slate clean, figure out a strategy and learn how to sell.
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        • Profile picture of the author phillgdeal
          Thank you for your blunt and concise feedback. Obviously things need to change now!
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        • Profile picture of the author phillgdeal
          Originally Posted by misterme View Post

          This is a glowing example showing how you need to learn how to sell. He "sold" you on the idea he needs smaller. You said yes sir! and worked on a mock up only to find it still wasn't right and he sold you again on the idea that now it was overkill. And so on. You're acting like an order taker.

          I'd like to ask....Since I want to focus solely on being successful with the direct mail campaigns and all else no longer exists, how do I change this flow and establish our relationship on productive terms for BOTH of us to establish a different different standard?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Lafuddy
    I'm going tell you what you need to hear

    You need a Job and you need it now.

    You have 2 children and they are counting on you for
    support and stability.
    Your kids are number one, not you and not your ego.

    Leave your ego out of this. It's time to Man Up.

    Get a job. Create stability for your children.
    You owe that to them.

    You can learn to sell and do it well. But it's
    going to take time. Trying to learn how to sell
    when you are panicking brings disaster.

    That's where you are right now.

    STOP!

    Get work. Use whatever agencies, friends, associates
    are available to you. Use all of your time, talent & skills
    to get hired.

    There is a thread that Claude or Dan McCoy started about what
    to say to a potential employer in order to get hired. Perhaps
    someone can link it here.

    Read that thread, get out there and get hired. Get started now.
    You don't have time to waste.

    Good luck and God Bless.
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  • Profile picture of the author tjaysen70
    hey man, I feel for ya, in the same boat, with having 2 boys etc. Setbacks are a way of life, and you have to look at what has worked for you and what hasn't, then write them down and look at what is going on.

    If you're still wanting to pursue the avenue of getting businesses to spend money on your service, of getting more leads and web presence etc, then you have to maybe approach it from another angle.

    Business owners have the same mindset, and that is, "What's in it for me?"

    You need to come at them with that in mind. So for example, if you come at them with, hey I can show yo a way to get "x" number of clients in the next 6 months, that will generate this much income to you, then it will only cost you this.

    You can also put them on a trial period and show them that you can get results. I mean that is what they want, results and more clients/money.

    If you can prove that to them, then you will have more business just from word of mouth.

    You're on the right track though, in terms of getting your foot in the door.,
    But approach them with the thought of..what can I do for them that will make them more money by using my service.
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  • Profile picture of the author NewParadigm
    Here's a lil self check. I call it the iScan. Re-read all your posts, add up all the "I's", "my's", "me's". You'll find out you are all about you, and not about providing value to others. The only way you get what you want, is to first help enough others get what they want.

    Do this for your posts, marketing material, and your presentations. Record your calls and then scan em later. You'll be surprised how all the "I's" will turn off your prospects.
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    • Profile picture of the author phillgdeal
      Originally Posted by NewParadigm View Post

      Here's a lil self check. I call it the iScan. Re-read all your posts, add up all the "I's", "my's", "me's". You'll find out you are all about you, and not about providing value to others. The only way you get what you want, is to first help enough others get what they want.

      Do this for your posts, marketing material, and your presentations. Record your calls and then scan em later. You'll be surprised how all the "I's" will turn off your prospects.
      This was shocking when I read it back like that, thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author NewParadigm
        Originally Posted by phillgdeal View Post

        This was shocking when I read it back like that, thanks.
        It's a subconscious turn off to almost everyone, professional and personal.
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    • Profile picture of the author keith88
      Originally Posted by NewParadigm View Post

      Here's a lil self check. I call it the iScan. Re-read all your posts, add up all the "I's", "my's", "me's". You'll find out you are all about you, and not about providing value to others. The only way you get what you want, is to first help enough others get what they want.

      Do this for your posts, marketing material, and your presentations. Record your calls and then scan em later. You'll be surprised how all the "I's" will turn off your prospects.
      Damn that's a good one man.
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    • Profile picture of the author SShip
      Originally Posted by Randy Bishop View Post

      I make 40K a month with no website... what's your point?
      ^^That's just rude.

      To the OP - For now, focus on getting a job for yourself and your babies. In your spare time, you can try to focus on your IM career but for now, you need to get your kiddo's in a stable environment and comfortable beds.
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    • Profile picture of the author phillgdeal
      Originally Posted by Randy Bishop View Post

      I make 40K a month with no website... what's your point?
      The point is evident that i need to learn how to overcome that objection and do what misterme said...and truly learn HOW to sell what I am offering!

      How do you like responses for usefulness, this has been a huge wake up call. I do have a position that starts in 2 weeks with the city. So we do have hope and my future customers will be much happier.
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    • Profile picture of the author SashaLee
      Originally Posted by Randy Bishop View Post

      I make 40K a month with no website... what's your point?
      Yawn. Of course you do, sunshine.
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  • Profile picture of the author Anthem40
    Originally Posted by phillgdeal View Post

    I have gone out the last two weeks to speak to business owners and they are not interested. They are glowing when I walk in because I look like a professional athlete, very sharp and cleanly presented...but once they realize that I am not spending, they feel like "OK, I'm not letting him sell me!"
    Going door to door is my strength. I think you have some mental blocks here with who you are and what you are trying to accomplish.

    Go in to introduce yourself to a fellow business owner. Talk, be real, be human. Don't turn on your high energy MLM sales scripted bullcrap. No one wants to talk to that guy.

    Don't be afraid or ashamed to be trying to sell something. It's not a dirty job, IF you have something of considerable value that WILL help out the owner you are talking to. If I had to guess, I would say you have developed this attitude of expecting rejection because you are selling in your MLM days. Lighten up, have fun with it, and when it's the hours of 9-4 be out of) the (home office) door.

    It gets easier and easier when you force yourself inside another door.
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  • Profile picture of the author keith88
    Originally Posted by phillgdeal View Post

    Here's where I come from...

    In 2010 I discovered internet and attraction marketing because I was yet on another trend of struggling in my network marketing company. I learned that the principles to successful internet network marketing, were the exact same success principles for any business that wants to have some success at slicing a piece of the giant web cashflow pie!

    After being ignorant and on fire creating funnels, capture pages, facebook posting, Youtube video making and holding my own webinars...I managed to make some valuable connections and create a minute cluster of people who were inspired by me. They had no money just as I didn't but they believed in the prospect of being able to do, have, and be more!

    I had people who told me I was a blessing n their lives because of the hope I gave them and although I was making no money, I felt honored to be helping someone whether I was profiting or not...the money will come.

    3 months later, I partner with another marketer who is brilliant and cut my learning curve by years, learning and becoming proficient at creating funnels, web pages, graphic design etc., so we create a business dedicated to serving offline businesses...with him we talked with several prospective entrepreneurs, but no one could afford the services and we couldn't afford to drive the traffic via paid efforts and meanwhile I am behind on rent many months, my boys are not having any time with dad even though I'm home all the time (Single dad of two boys).

    I eventually went back to work as a telesales man because I was at the brink of eviction. I become top sales person immediately, attract a lot of great energy and people who want my gleam and passion to work for them, and I leave that job because a limo service company wants me to be their marketing director and they want to invest money in my potential. I now have an office, a limo at my disposal and everyone feeling like I arrived.

    At the end of the day, they didn't invest the cash in me, they didn't take my advice and invest the cash in the services I could provide and we part ways with me cold calling the yellow pages to sell my marketing services. I presented to 4 prospects out of hundreds of calls, and no one pulls the trigger on any service after meeting, me presenting how any internet marketing will enhance their business. Even though they expressed that the price is right, no one calls back or answers the phone.

    I humble myself and go back to work! This is a cycle that I must stop! There is more story yet and still, but I am not going to quit so I now am back to working for myself and getting the same things that are keeping me from collecting any checks. People are not interested in the 9 x 12 postcard at the very least to gain an advantage on the competition.

    I have no problem attracting prospects, I can't stand going door to door but I have no cash resources to even erect my site so I have to do what I can to have people experience me. I have gone out the last two weeks to speak to business owners and they are not interested. They are glowing when I walk in because I look like a professional athlete, very sharp and cleanly presented...but once they realize that I am not spending, they feel like "OK, I'm not letting him sell me!"

    Not sure if this was acute enough about what I'm going thru but, I have been looking for help only to feel the same way over and over "I wish I did have the $5k I would get your training...I wish I did have the $10K to invest in your bootcamp I would be in.

    I need a true mentor who has made the money, closed the deals and built the relationships with their clients that I am looking to do. How do I make the money needed to invest more into my development and success. I have the mechanics and will, but the art of getting the client to feel I am worth adding to their team and spending money with me, is what I need to be groomed on!

    My two boys who've been sleeping on an ottman while I'm on the couch in my cousin's living room...need me to be better!
    Ok yea being desperate to gain clients is going to "cloud" your judgement. You don't need to know EVERYTHING about sales but you need to learn basic priniciples.

    I'm assuming a lot of those businesses DON'T do any advertising anyway. If they are still sending out flyers or some crap. Your wasting your time trying to get them to see the value in online marketing. They are comfortable where they are and DO NOT want to grow.

    You need to sell to the business already advertising and who SEE the value in generating business online.

    Get some work FOR NOW bro and spend your free time learning some offline strategies!

    Then you get better at your craft over time. There's a learning curve but when you can afford it get a mentor!!! stick with 1 thing.

    Don't chase the dream of 1 idea or plan making you a million tomorrow. I did that for a while and it doesn't exist!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author webrankingservices2000
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    What kind of services are you offering?
    Why don't you start a facebook page or google plus page and redirect a domain to it.

    It would be simple thing and can be done instantly.
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  • Profile picture of the author trader909
    only deal with 2 sets in busines to save your sanity

    1) businesses..preferably cash cows

    2) wealthy people.

    unless you like huge headaches...ignore the rest.

    90% success comes down to selling to people that can pay for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
    I would suggest instead of trying to sell your direct mail co-op simply
    ask questions and listen.

    Tell them you're a business marketing expert and you're just talking
    to some businesses in the area to see what their problems are.

    When you ask questions and listen you're getting business owners to
    put their guard down, you're building rapport and you're gathering
    valuable information.

    As soon as you start trying to sell something a business owners
    defenses will go up and you're going to have a very hard time
    getting anywhere.

    Ask questions and listen and you'll be surprised how many different
    ways you discover that you can help a business owner.

    If you take your time and just make suggestions until the business
    owner gets excited about something you say you should find it
    a whole lot easier to get hired and you've bypassed the whole
    "hard sell" approach.

    Most important you'll come across as another business person or
    as a business consultant instead of coming across as a sales person.

    The kind of relationship you build with a client is really important
    if you plan on working with them for months and years to come.

    Kindest regards,
    Andrew Cavanagh
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