How to close hot leads, or at least prevent them from going cold

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I would like to know how you guys deal with prospects in general. I will give you a perfect example of what I'm experiencing:

1. I put ads online for either website design or SEO
2. I get a call from a client in a big niche, big city
3. Client sounds very eager to get started
4. I gather all the info, understand what he needs
5. I prepare a quote with lots of info and email him back within the hour
6. Lead goes dead.

I am then unable to contact the person, they go completely MIA. I email them, call them, leave VM, etc... without harassing them of course.

I know my product is high quality and well priced too.

Kinda at a loss here, but then again, this might be completely normal as there are lots of tire kickers out there.

How do you guys deal with this?
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  • Profile picture of the author James English
    What does your sales call look like? Are you learning about his needs and then offering to send him a quote after the call?

    NEVER finish a call without establishing a definite next step. If the next step is to send him a price quote, make sure to calendar a followup call so you can discuss any questions he may have after the fact.

    A quote should only be sent when the deal is pretty much closed in my opinion. At the very least though, always schedule and define a next step.
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    • Profile picture of the author JeffNormand
      Hi James,

      Yes, the next step was very clear: I told him I was going to build him the quote and email it to him within the hour, which I did. I also followed up that evening with a phone call.

      I give quotes early because both parties want to do business with each other, there is no need for some back and forth, unless the prospects shows signs of this.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
        Originally Posted by JeffNormand View Post

        Hi James,

        Yes, the next step was very clear: I told him I was going to build him the quote and email it to him within the hour, which I did. I also followed up that evening with a phone call.

        I give quotes early because both parties want to do business with each other, there is no need for some back and forth, unless the prospects shows signs of this.
        ...because what you're doing currently is working?

        On what basis do you believe "both parties want to do business with each other"??
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      • Profile picture of the author James English
        Originally Posted by JeffNormand View Post

        Hi James,

        Yes, the next step was very clear: I told him I was going to build him the quote and email it to him within the hour, which I did. I also followed up that evening with a phone call.

        I give quotes early because both parties want to do business with each other, there is no need for some back and forth, unless the prospects shows signs of this.
        I understand that, but clearly there is a disconnect if these prospects arent closing. As Jason mentioned, they are using you as a free consultant to compare to other vendors.

        You told him you were going to email him within the hour, was anything set in stone as far as what he was supposed to do with the information?

        My process looks like this in my business:

        1. Intro call, needs discovery, and if things make sense we talk price and a starting date. I will agree to sending a proposal and we will both agree to a followup call with a scheduled calendar invite coming from me.

        2. I'll send the proposal

        3. Followup call will happen within about 48 hours and the deal will close

        Two things to note here, in the past month I have only had a single followup call not show up. That is 1 out of maybe 25. Granted, my service is a bit different from yours, but I would definitely take a look at your initial sales call. It may not seem like it, but thats definitely where the problem is if things are going sour after the fact.
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        • Profile picture of the author JeffNormand
          Originally Posted by James English View Post

          I understand that, but clearly there is a disconnect if these prospects arent closing. As Jason mentioned, they are using you as a free consultant to compare to other vendors.

          You told him you were going to email him within the hour, was anything set in stone as far as what he was supposed to do with the information?

          My process looks like this in my business:

          1. Intro call, needs discovery, and if things make sense we talk price and a starting date. I will agree to sending a proposal and we will both agree to a followup call with a scheduled calendar invite coming from me.

          2. I'll send the proposal

          3. Followup call will happen within about 48 hours and the deal will close

          Two things to note here, in the past month I have only had a single followup call not show up. That is 1 out of maybe 25. Granted, my service is a bit different from yours, but I would definitely take a look at your initial sales call. It may not seem like it, but thats definitely where the problem is if things are going sour after the fact.
          I see what you are doing there. I am not setting up expectations after the prospect receives the information. I think I might go this route: provide 2 date and times for the follow up call, prospect chooses one. This way I think it gives the person a little bit more responsibility, instead of just a quote that he can toss aside.
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          • Profile picture of the author Neison
            Jeff,

            I have to ask, how often is this actually happening - as in, with how many clients so far ?

            And, have you considered that the guy's just busy and might follow-up with you at some point?

            My best clients are so busy they might not get back to me for days. Sometimes a situation happens and they won't return for longer.

            And the reason is because a lot of this stuff isn't mission-critical to what they're doing at the time.

            Something else that you pointed out - "a lot of info in the proposal" - that's a waste of time and typing. I just go over the basic idea in the proposal. 1 line, no more than 2-10 words. Go into more detail over the phone. If you must, solidify it in a longer contract later after the check's in the mail or you have the cc number.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Prospects are getting a free education from you, and then it's all coming down to price.

    They are talking with other vendors, you can be sure.

    Then they create a table with all the vendors listed across the top, features of their proposals down the side, and list it all out to compare prices.

    They do this either mentally, written on paper, or on the computer.

    You're being an unpaid consultant.

    The good thing you're doing is getting back to inquiries quickly. That's a huge plus.

    But then it goes downhill.

    You need to start filtering.
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    • Profile picture of the author JeffNormand
      Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

      Prospects are getting a free education from you, and then it's all coming down to price.

      They are talking with other vendors, you can be sure.

      Then they create a table with all the vendors listed across the top, features of their proposals down the side, and list it all out to compare prices.

      They do this either mentally, written on paper, or on the computer.

      You're being an unpaid consultant.

      The good thing you're doing is getting back to inquiries quickly. That's a huge plus.

      But then it goes downhill.

      You need to start filtering.
      Aye. The problem right now is I don't have a whole lot of prospects, so the filtering process is fairly limited. I try to close everything that comes my way.

      But yes, I'm well aware that the more time between the initial call and the follow up, the more the lead get cold.

      I'm trying to figure out where the disconnect it. I am quoting a fair price for a complicated website for instance. There's no way you can give a quote on the initial call imo. Also, I'm not the type that will go "So, what was your budget?".
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  • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
    Originally Posted by JeffNormand View Post

    I would like to know how you guys deal with prospects in general. I will give you a perfect example of what I'm experiencing:

    1. I put ads online for either website design or SEO
    2. I get a call from a client in a big niche, big city
    3. Client sounds very eager to get started
    4. I gather all the info, understand what he needs
    5. I prepare a quote with lots of info and email him back within the hour
    6. Lead goes dead.

    I am then unable to contact the person, they go completely MIA. I email them, call them, leave VM, etc... without harassing them of course.

    I know my product is high quality and well priced too.

    Kinda at a loss here, but then again, this might be completely normal as there are lots of tire kickers out there.

    How do you guys deal with this?
    Skip step 5. It is not needed.

    Give them a price and ask for the money.

    You have them on the phone.
    You have there interest.

    What more do you want?

    Seriously man. Your blowing a good thing. Stop mucking about
    with quotes and mock ups and anything else that is stopping
    you from getting the sale right then.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

      Skip step 5. It is not needed.

      Give them a price and ask for the money.

      You have them on the phone.
      You have there interest.

      What more do you want?


      Seriously man. Your blowing a good thing. Stop mucking about
      with quotes and mock ups and anything else that is stopping
      you from getting the sale right then.
      I was wondering when someone was going to get around to saying that. "Get them a quote"? "Call them back"?

      Why on Earth would a salesperson force someone to wait...before they can give you money?

      when they are on the phone with you...they are in heat. After they get off the phone...they are no longer in heat. They cool off. That's why you aren't selling them later.


      Imagine you are on a date with a beautiful woman...forget that...Imagine I'm on a date with a beautiful woman.

      I buy dinner, go dancing (or whatever single people do)...and the magic moment comes, where she invites me to come in "for a drink".

      And I say "That sounds great. Let me check my schedule....I'll call you back in 2 days. And we can get busy".

      Wouldn't you think I was a fool? Ask for the money. At the very least, ask for a deposit of 50%. But if you have an idea what you'll be delivering, and how much it will cost? Just ask for the money while you are on the phone...that's when they are the most likely to buy.
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      • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        I was wondering when someone was going to get around to saying that. "Get them a quote"? "Call them back"?

        It drives me crazy when i hear people say that.

        It is utter nonsense. Sometimes i get the feeling they all read the same book
        and are just brain washed into a belief that has no merit.

        In this instance the op has a pot of gold ( inbounds ). That everyone wants.
        One that most people struggle with.

        ... and it's just being pissed away.
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        • Profile picture of the author Neison
          Ken and Claude,

          I can appreciate what you're saying, but do you feel - at all - that it depends on the situation?

          For example. I had prospect call me Monday. We talked for 1hr, then he had appointment. I said call back after that. He did.

          We talked for another hour. I was interviewing him. Took 1.5pgs of notes.

          I told him 2 other services he needs right away. Said I'd give him my proposals by Friday (today) and we'll do a followup call on Monday to review and get started.

          Since then he's bought both my recommended services (I'll be netting 575/mo from those, passive). He's on the chain to buy at least 2 other packages of my own, and then agreed to an equity deal.

          I didn't take a credit card. I haven't received a check, and this guy is almost certainly going to be paying me a lot of money next week.

          If you're selling some cut-and-paste package that requires little thought, sure, get everything up front. But even then is a shotgun wedding always necessary?

          When structuring a deal, I prefer to take time and consider the angles and possibilities. I let the conversation continue by email for a couple/few days and then use that as ammunition to pile even more on.

          The one caveat to all this is whether you know the client is worthwhile in the first place. That's been discussed elsewhere.

          Edit: Going back to the OP, I've done this same process for basic web design and SEO.
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          • Profile picture of the author kenmichaels
            Originally Posted by Neison View Post

            Ken and Claude,

            I can appreciate what you're saying, but do you feel - at all - that it depends on the situation?

            For example. I had prospect call me Monday. We talked for 1hr, then he had appointment. I said call back after that. He did.

            We talked for another hour. I was interviewing him. Took 1.5pgs of notes.

            I told him 2 other services he needs right away. Said I'd give him my proposals by Friday (today) and we'll do a followup call on Monday to review and get started.

            Since then he's bought both my recommended services (I'll be netting 575/mo from those, passive). He's on the chain to buy at least 2 other packages of my own, and then agreed to an equity deal.

            I didn't take a credit card. I haven't received a check, and this guy is almost certainly going to be paying me a lot of money next week.

            If you're selling some cut-and-paste package that requires little thought, sure, get everything up front. But even then is a shotgun wedding always necessary?

            When structuring a deal, I prefer to take time and consider the angles and possibilities. I let the conversation continue by email for a couple/few days and then use that as ammunition to pile even more on.

            The one caveat to all this is whether you know the client is worthwhile in the first place. That's been discussed elsewhere.
            ... an hour on the phone and you did not get paid?
            Plus your going to wine and dine via email for another few days?

            No thank you. If your comfortable with it and it works for you ... great.

            I am a different breed
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            • Profile picture of the author Neison
              Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

              ... an hour on the phone and you did not get paid?
              Plus your going to wine and dine via email for another few days?

              No thank you. If your comfortable with it and it works for you ... great.

              I am a different breed
              Ken, let me rephrase.

              How would you recommend speeding up the process?

              Sure, I could have said, "well, you want xyz and that'll be $25,000 + 10% of your gross for the next 4yrs"

              I'm not so sure that's a one-call close.

              But if there's a faster, better way of accomplishing the same goal, I'd certainly use it.
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            • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
              Originally Posted by kenmichaels View Post

              ... an hour on the phone and you did not get paid?
              Plus your going to wine and dine via email for another few days?

              No thank you. If your comfortable with it and it works for you ... great.

              I am a different breed
              Yup, the OP is doing a TON of unpaid consulting.

              Stop giving your expertise away, and wasting time with people you have not qualified.

              Try this next time, when they ask you a couple questions--or you feel like you want to go into interviewer mode, ask instead:

              "Mr. Prospect, what you're asking me for is what I do for my clients. Are you saying you'd like to become a client?"

              If you get "Woah, no, just getting details together," now you know you're dealling with someone who wants a free education.

              Alternatively, you could say:

              "Mr. Prospect. what you're asking me to tell you about is what I do for my clients. Here's how I work." And then you give them the deposit or price and say you receive that first, then you begin the work (answering questions, conducting your interview). "I can send you an invoice through Paypal now to get started. What's your Paypal email address?" (or substitute your preferred payment method.)

              You can use the Monkey's Paw approach as well, to get paid for the research/interview. (the rest of that thread will be of value to you also)

              You could even ask such qualifying questions as:

              Have you spoken with anyone else about your project?

              (If they did) What have you learned?

              What are you looking for in the person who takes care of this project for you, that would really stand out?

              In the research you've done so far, what have you found out? (They probably haven't done research, but if they have, you can find out their budget expectations and more with this one.)

              When are you planning on getting started with this project?

              Start asking questions like these instead of the "How can I do this?" questions you've been asking so far. Find out:

              * what does this prospect know?

              * how much are they planning to spend?

              * what do they value in a service provider like me?

              * how many competitors are they talking to? What are you up against?

              * how serious are they about it?

              Qualify first. You're not fulfilling the order yet. Get paid, then fulfill.
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              • Profile picture of the author Neison
                Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

                Try this next time, when they ask you a couple questions--or you feel like you want to go into interviewer mode, ask instead:

                "Mr. Prospect, what you're asking me for is what I do for my clients. Are you saying you'd like to become a client?" ...

                "Mr. Prospect. what you're asking me to tell you about is what I do for my clients. Here's how I work." And then you give them the deposit or price and say you receive that first, then you begin the work (answering questions, conducting your interview). "I can send you an invoice through Paypal now to get started. What's your Paypal email address?" (or substitute your preferred payment method.)
                Thanks.

                My 'interview mode' this week actually had him doing all the talking. Maybe I let him talk too long, but if I didn't let him I wouldn't have known to refer to the other services (came out near end of convo).

                Asking for a paypal payment just to get started is a great idea of you're swamped with leads. Even then, perhaps it's wise to judge scenarios individually rather using that technique across the board.

                The questions you bulleted are perfect, I didn't have that to reference and it'll be useful in the future.

                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                "When structuring a deal, I prefer to take time and consider the angles and possibilities".

                I consider angles and possibilities too. But I consider the angles as I ask questions...and I consider the possibilities after I get my first check.
                The replies have been appreciated. I hear what you're saying (and Ken and Jason).

                Next time, I might find some tiny concept they want to move on and bill that, then go forward with everything else on the table.

                Speaking of taking time, it wasn't until yesterday that I had my biggest idea for this guy. I called it "Black Box" and put it inside the highest priced package. He won't even know the idea until he pays for it, lol.
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                • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
                  Originally Posted by Neison View Post

                  Thanks.

                  My 'interview mode' this week actually had him doing all the talking. Maybe I let him talk too long, but if I didn't let him I wouldn't have known to refer to the other services (came out near end of convo).

                  Asking for a paypal payment just to get started is a great idea of you're swamped with leads. Even then, perhaps it's wise to judge scenarios individually rather using that technique across the board.

                  The questions you bulleted are perfect, I didn't have that to reference and it'll be useful in the future.
                  Man, you are making things difficult for yourself.

                  Develop ONE sales strategy/process and stick with it.

                  Then you'll know where you are, and what's going to happen next. Before your prospect does.

                  You are letting your head trash get in the way of selling. (more about that here)

                  Your prospect doesn't know anything about you. Your clients hardly know anything about you and your current situation. They have no idea whether you are swamped with work, or dead in the water.

                  Getting your prospect to do most of the talking is good.

                  Direct the inquiry, though. Find out what you need to find out. And to make the sale, that is the list I noted above. NOT technical issues. Those can wait until they're paying you to work on them.

                  Your job before being hired is not to find out exactly what needs to be done to get the prospect where they want to go. Get paid to find that out.

                  Your job is to find out whether this prospect has a problem that's worthy of you solving it.
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                • Profile picture of the author DABK
                  Since you want a lot of info, or want them to have a lot of info, why don't you create something on your website, where they can go get educated, if interested, then ask you have them answer some questions, then they talk to you for the first time?

                  Originally Posted by Neison View Post

                  Thanks.

                  My 'interview mode' this week actually had him doing all the talking. Maybe I let him talk too long, but if I didn't let him I wouldn't have known to refer to the other services (came out near end of convo).

                  Asking for a paypal payment just to get started is a great idea of you're swamped with leads. Even then, perhaps it's wise to judge scenarios individually rather using that technique across the board.

                  The questions you bulleted are perfect, I didn't have that to reference and it'll be useful in the future.



                  The replies have been appreciated. I hear what you're saying (and Ken and Jason).

                  Next time, I might find some tiny concept they want to move on and bill that, then go forward with everything else on the table.

                  Speaking of taking time, it wasn't until yesterday that I had my biggest idea for this guy. I called it "Black Box" and put it inside the highest priced package. He won't even know the idea until he pays for it, lol.
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by Neison View Post

                  The replies have been appreciated. I hear what you're saying (and Ken and Jason).

                  Next time, I might find some tiny concept they want to move on and bill that, then go forward with everything else on the table.

                  Speaking of taking time, it wasn't until yesterday that I had my biggest idea for this guy. I called it "Black Box" and put it inside the highest priced package. He won't even know the idea until he pays for it, lol.
                  One thing I do before the appointment is send over information about me. A book I've written, a few articles, send them to a website, and give them a DVD of my entire presentation.

                  By the time I get there, they are either 80% sold, or they won't see me. So far, it's nearly always 80% sold.

                  I'm assuming you can do the same thing for a phone appointment.
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Neison View Post

            If you're selling some cut-and-paste package that requires little thought, sure, get everything up front. But even then is a shotgun wedding always necessary?

            When structuring a deal, I prefer to take time and consider the angles and possibilities. I let the conversation continue by email for a couple/few days and then use that as ammunition to pile even more on.
            I understand your thinking. And I don't think there is anything wrong with it.
            Some consultants are more "fact finding, and the custom design a solution for each client" kind of guys. I get that.

            My approach is that I do as much fact finding as it takes for them to feel like I'm customizing my service to them. Everyone gets the whole ball of wax. I may not explain every part, but everyone gets every part. I have one overall service. Everyone pays the same amount.

            You are a consultant that happens to sell.
            I'm a salesman that finds it to my advantage to act like a consultant.

            I'm very transaction based. A one night stand. A well paid one night stand, but that's what I am.

            I get your approach.

            But eventually the girl says "Enough dancing, when are we going to ....?"

            Fact finding is useful in selling. But it doesn't need to take multiple calls. Multiple calls kill the emotional need for what you sell. They still agree rationally, but they are no longer as excited. If there is any way to do it all in one visit, that's what I do. In fact (this is just my approach) I don't make call backs. And my service is either $6,000 or $599 a month for a year. Not huge, but not small potatoes either.

            "When structuring a deal, I prefer to take time and consider the angles and possibilities".

            I consider angles and possibilities too. But I consider the angles as I ask questions...and I consider the possibilities after I get my first check.

            Everyone has the style they are comfortable with. You have a system that you like, and it works.


            Originally Posted by Neison View Post

            Ken, let me rephrase.

            How would you recommend speeding up the process?

            Sure, I could have said, "well, you want xyz and that'll be $25,000 + 10% of your gross for the next 4yrs"

            I'm not so sure that's a one-call close.

            But if there's a faster, better way of accomplishing the same goal, I'd certainly use it.
            I'm not sure I would try to do everything on one phone call. But I might, if it was going that well.

            But one visit? Absolutely.
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          • Profile picture of the author jimbo13
            Originally Posted by Neison View Post

            For example. I had a prospect call me Monday.

            The one caveat to all this is whether you know the client is worthwhile in the first place. That's been discussed elsewhere.
            So why did he call and from where?

            If you are not a cookie cutter, or whatever the American phrase is, then you are to think more like an architect ok.

            You are going to bespoke design a site and,

            a. Take it to blue print for client to hand over to his developer or

            b. Take it to completion.

            In your case it is option b. You are doing everything from what do you want? to here it is.

            So this is simple really.

            Example. I want to knock down a building and have a new one erected near the river in oak frame.

            There are broadly 5 criteria in choosing an architect.

            1. Size and projected scale of project
            2. Type of building
            3. Type of land
            4. Energy efficiency requirements
            5. Whether I want design services included

            I want all 5 ticked in my head before I will call so I am researching these 5 broad things.

            So the architects website/ print Ads etc will reflect all 5 if you think about it and placed in relevant media to get in front of the right sort of person.

            It is acting as the filter.

            So if I find myself on a few websites and find that one of them fulfills my criteria and has a couple of pictures which they would have by default then when I call it is more or less a done deal.

            It is his to lose.

            It would not take an hour, it would take 15 minutes to get the feel if he could fulfill and for him to see if I fit with his practice.

            If it was yes/yes to the above then he would say well next step is to draw up plans and that will cost you £abc and the overall cost will be approx 8% of the overall budget which will be around the £xyz mark.

            He doesn't even need to give me the exact final price. Do you understand that? Read it again if not. So I have started to pay him even though I don't know what the final cost will be.

            This happens all over the world in that field from little extensions to rebuilding Twin Towers in NYC.

            So you are going to be doing the same thing with inbound calls.

            Your literature, website, however they found you, will put them in frame of mind of what you do so that is dealt with already when you are speaking to them.

            You give rough overall cost of the project if you can't work out the exact price and ask for the whole lot (if you can) or chunk to get started.

            Point is you ask for something then and there.

            Because price is simply like coming in at the end of a roller coaster. The twists and turns have all been completed, asking is just a formality.

            Don't know if all the above makes sense as I stopped to make a cup of tea half way through and have a feeling I left something out.

            And finally.

            Sales.

            Everything you ever want to know about sales is in one book written a couple of thousand years ago by a man called Aristotle. It is a bit of a dry read but it is called The Art of Rhetoric.

            Essentially Ethos, Logos, Pathos. Cover them all in your speech/ literature/ website.

            Here are some pictures to give you idea on what this is.

            https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=et...ml%3B571%3B424

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  • Profile picture of the author Neison
    Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

    Man, you are making things difficult for yourself. Develop ONE sales strategy/process and stick with it...... Your job before being hired is not to find out exactly what needs to be done to get the prospect where they want to go. Get paid to find that out.
    Jason, after doing this for many years I'll admit to wanting things to be less difficult - lol. But 'headtrash' isn't a problem with me (I know you post about that often, for good reason).

    What's interesting is moving the interview to after payment because that interview has been what determines my solutions/recommendations in the first place.

    It's rare for me to sell a box of stuff or even a common service. Having a barrier to entry that saves time is a perfect next step however.

    Originally Posted by DABK View Post

    Since you want a lot of info, or want them to have a lot of info, why don't you create something on your website, where they can go get educated, if interested, then ask you have them answer some questions, then they talk to you for the first time?
    Good suggestion. My website is pretty fleshed out, personally written articles and stuff like that. No videos yet. The content has been attracting the right kind of clients for me. Adding a survey or fill-in-the-blank form with set questions is a next step; will do that.

    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    One thing I do before the appointment is send over information about me. A book I've written, a few articles, send them to a website, and give them a DVD of my entire presentation.

    By the time I get there, they are either 80% sold, or they won't see me. So far, it's nearly always 80% sold.

    I'm assuming you can do the same thing for a phone appointment.
    Great technique for positioning.

    I'm inclined to keep everything online; maybe give inbound prospects access to a "special area" of the website. What about a membership site setup for prospects? (hmmm... will be thinking about that one... could even create free and paid levels)
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by Neison View Post

      Great technique for positioning.

      I'm inclined to keep everything online; maybe give inbound prospects access to a "special area" of the website. What about a membership site setup for prospects? (hmmm... will be thinking about that one... could even create free and paid levels)
      The reason I do so much "pre-selling" before I see them isn't so much to prove my expertise (although that happens anyway)...it's to create the image that I'm a celebrity. If they see a website that has articles about me, or the do a Google search of my name...it create the impression that I'm well known.

      And that's why I do it. It makes selling far easier.

      If Brad Pitt offered the same service that you did...and he make a pitch...would they want to shop around? Get another quote? Price shop? Verify his credentials? No.

      That's why I do it. I'm the Brad Pitt of fat middle aged, balding, know it all, flatulent, narcissistic, verbose, pompous, white guys.
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      • Profile picture of the author Neison
        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        The reason I do so much "pre-selling" before I see them isn't so much to prove my expertise (although that happens anyway)...it's to create the image that I'm a celebrity. If they see a website that has articles about me, or the do a Google search of my name...it create the impression that I'm well known.
        That's an important distinction that I didn't get from your previous post. If you're sending them information from other sources it's a different type of positioning, probably much stronger overall but less controlled (maybe another plus, I guess).

        My "problem" is that I've only been published in a certain niche. It holds credibility for that niche, but really does nothing when getting clients from somewhere entirely different (ie plumber to financial planner). This can often be the case.

        For your DVD, did you have that recorded at a live event or just you in front of camera in home/studio?

        To OP Jeff, I hope you don't feel your thread was hijacked - that wasn't my intention.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by Neison View Post

          My "problem" is that I've only been published in a certain niche. It holds credibility for that niche, but really does nothing when getting clients from somewhere entirely different (ie plumber to financial planner). This can often be the case.

          For your DVD, did you have that recorded at a live event or just you in front of camera in home/studio?

          It doesn't matter that your niche is. Set up a generic blog that posts articles about your process (NOT your niche) You can go to Claudesblog.com for an example of my blog.

          Post a few pictures of yourself in professional poses. Create a few Youtube videos talking about your service. Create a Facebook page just to talk about your service.

          Don't send them information talking about anyone but you...from you...produced by you.

          My DVD is a full presentation I've done in front of a live audience where I sold my service from the front of the room.

          If they Google your name...what do they find? Because that's going to happen a lot before they talk to you.

          My closing book covers this entire process.
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  • Profile picture of the author ThomasOMalley
    You should study Bob Bly's book, Selling Your Services. He has some great advice on closing the deal on your services.
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  • Profile picture of the author misterme
    Originally Posted by Neison View Post

    I told him 2 other services he needs right away...

    Since then he's bought both my recommended services
    I've isolated that as a factor which might explain why you've been more successful at getting the deal than JeffNormand. You're hooking the prospective client by developing needs the others aren't addressing and then prescribing your services specific to fulfilling those needs. So the client has to go with you to get the service they now see as necessary.

    Of course the deals you don't get this way are because the client says 'thank you very much for all the information and let me think about it', and if it did register with him he's calling other guys and asking them if they can take care of these things you brought up and asking them if so, how much does it cost and making price comparisons.

    Originally Posted by JeffNormand View Post

    Yes, the next step was very clear: I told him I was going to build him the quote and email it to him within the hour, which I did. I also followed up that evening with a phone call.

    I give quotes early because both parties want to do business with each other, there is no need for some back and forth, unless the prospects shows signs of this.
    Build the proposal as you go, present it and see if they're agreeable to it. Then close the order. "Why don't we just go ahead and take care of this now?" A percentage will say yes and you'll get more contracts that way. You'll shorten your sales cycle and stop wasting time on followups in those cases. You'll help lessen them falling out of the ether and losing them completely as well. The others you don't close you can go back to doing the followup call.

    I'd also check the competition and make sure where you're at with services and price.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rus Sells
    I wonder; in your info gathering stage are you asking if they've ever paid for SEO before and if so how were the results? The answer is sort of obvious if they've paid for SEO and are now looking for a new one, but you have to ask.

    I used to not ask this but it's vital because if they've paid for SEO and now they are looking again for an SEO provider because of no results there's a bug chance their domain has been penalized.

    Because of this if your pricing is even ball park to what they've previously paid they've just lumped you into the same groups as their previous SEO firm.

    If you do get them as a client and their domain is penalize no amount of SEO is going to help their rankings and if you do the same type of SEO the their previous firm did... well you're screwed. You aren't getting them as a client.

    Also I think you should be screening them with pricing right off the bat as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author JeffNormand
    I can see that this thread has literally exploded! Love it, lots of great ideas...

    I just wanted to follow up and say that I managed to contact the lead back and he just thought that my proposal was too expensive for him.

    I can usually give a price right on the spot, but guys, (esp. Max), you have to realize that this was not a simple project and I needed to do research before I can even commit to a specific price point. I'm sure we've all been burned in the past by quoting too low and ending up in the negative.

    Certain prospects are going to call me and if it's relatively simple, I will tell them how much it'll cost them and we can get to work right away.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
      Originally Posted by JeffNormand View Post

      I can see that this thread has literally exploded! Love it, lots of great ideas...

      I just wanted to follow up and say that I managed to contact the lead back and he just thought that my proposal was too expensive for him.

      I can usually give a price right on the spot, but guys, (esp. Max), you have to realize that this was not a simple project and I needed to do research before I can even commit to a specific price point. I'm sure we've all been burned in the past by quoting too low and ending up in the negative.

      Certain prospects are going to call me and if it's relatively simple, I will tell them how much it'll cost them and we can get to work right away.
      Use the Monkey's Paw to get paid for your research.

      Prospects who commit to this are now partially committed to using you to fulfill the whole project.
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    • Profile picture of the author misterme
      Originally Posted by JeffNormand View Post

      I managed to contact the lead back and he just thought that my proposal was too expensive for him.
      Not surprising. But what does that mean, exactly? Because there's a difference between it meaning, "that's an high sounding price you quoted there" and "I sincerely wish I could do this but the mortgage payment is looming, I got to pay for my kid's tuition on Monday, car's in the shop and cash flow is way down."

      Do you prod to see which one is meant when they say things like that?

      Originally Posted by JeffNormand View Post

      I can usually give a price right on the spot, but guys, (esp. Max), you have to realize that this was not a simple project and I needed to do research before I can even commit to a specific price point.
      Then you likely need a way when that happens, to not send out bids but keep them in your control. A face to face. Or a skype session. Something where you're there when the bid's presented, where you have some participation in it, so you can close the sale. Sounds to me like it could work better if you had that appointment to go over whatever you've researched and build that price in front of them, with them, and make them part of that process.
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  • Profile picture of the author ConnectVT
    No need to bother and keep on trying and improving. It happens to all. They might be getting details and proposals from you and thousands of other people like you.
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