why is cold emailng so poor at lead gen?

by squidface Banned
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hi

Look I never expected to send a few emails and snag clients but I would expect say a 2%+ response.

Yet, it's more like 0.0001%.

Why is so bad? Are they spammed so much now they simply trash everything?

I only offer s.e.o. services to one specific niche. Iv'e tried all kinds of different approaches, long, short, smart, factual, with price, without, etc..no difference.

Anyone doing better and any good samples of what works in initial contact?

Thank you
#cold #emailng #gen #lead #poor
  • Profile picture of the author ThomasOMalley
    Email as your first contact with a prospect can be a difficult way to go. Prospects are inundated with emails.

    Consider lead generation letters to highly targeted list of 50-100 prospects. Read Bob Bly's Power Packed Direct Mail book for some excellent info. on lead generation letters.

    Your letters will stand out even more since people send less mail today.

    I know, I know...email is basically free...but look at your results.
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    • Profile picture of the author squidface
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      Originally Posted by ThomasOMalley View Post

      Email as your first contact with a prospect can be a difficult way to go. Prospects are inundated with emails.

      Consider lead generation letters to highly targeted list of 50-100 prospects. Read Bob Bly's Power Packed Direct Mail book for some excellent info. on lead generation letters.

      Your letters will stand out even more since people send less mail today.

      I know, I know...email is basically free...but look at your results.
      It's pretty low cost seo for one niche. i'll try cold calling them
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      • Profile picture of the author ThomasOMalley
        Originally Posted by squidface View Post

        It's pretty low cost seo for one niche. i'll try cold calling them
        You can definitely cold call them. Make sure you use a good calling script. Search for the posts of Jason Kanigan on the forum for some good scripts in his posts.

        You should also set up a basic business website for the services you sell to establish your credibility.

        When your email comes from a hotmail or gmail account, many business owners will not take you seriously.

        Best regards,

        Thomas O'Malley
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesfreddyc
    Maybe 99.99999% of your emails are going directly into a junk folder? In which case, it's not really ever an "initial contact".
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  • Profile picture of the author squidface
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    maybe......how do i know/rectify this?

    I do send from gmail. Are they notorious for this?

    it does seem a bit strange i do not get any replies..not even telling me to f*** off or something. Which I'd take right now.
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    • Profile picture of the author jamesfreddyc
      Originally Posted by squidface View Post


      it does seem a bit strange i do not get any replies..not even telling me to f*** off or something. Which I'd take right now.
      Not strange at all. Its pretty normal behavior to shutoff anything we don't connect with and there is very little reason to anything (like buying something or telling you to f-off) because of a junk email.

      You offer SEO and in your mind its a necessary and valuable thing to implement. But to your prospect they are thinking "You offer SEO? Who the hell cares!"

      I 2nd the idea of researching Jason Kanigan and read as much as you can. Build a phone conversation that tries to uncover problems that you can solve for them. Make a concerted effort and consistently call into your niche, focus on getting conversations with DM's, filling your calendar with appointments/callbacks/demos -- this is what will likely lead into sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author James English
    Cold emailing is a great form of lead gen if you do it right. Take a look at one of your emails and read it like one of your prospects would.

    Whats the purpose of your initial email? Are you trying to sell them right off the bat?
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  • Profile picture of the author squidface
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    yes....is that wrong?

    Any wso's or posts on cold emails that work?

    Like i said i have tried all kinds of different methods. Short and sharp, long and story like, makes no difference.
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  • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
    Cold emails suck... It's the lowest response rate out of ANY lead generation method. It's also my favorite.

    Most people don't have success with cold emails because they're not doing it in volume. If you're sending to 2,000 people a week... it's not enough. 20,000 will give you better results. .0001% is the typical response rate. How you define your response rate will change that number. If you're considering your response rate to be anyone who responds that is qualified or not, as part of the numbers then it will be higher. I consider it to be those that are actual leads.

    You have to consistently send. I have cold emails that I've sent to for 2-3 years and never called, never emailed, nothing...then they eventually call after consistent contact and buy.

    You have to realize that it is a numbers game like everything else. Even with an awful response rate it can be very profitable.

    You're doing it wrong though. If you're manually sending these emails, thats no bueno. If you're doing low volume, you're wasting your time. If you're using a free service like gmail, hotmail, etc. it's a waste of time.

    The biggest initial problem people have is deliverability. If you don't have good deliverability then what's the point? Second.. is spam filters and domain blacklists. Third, but a devastating issue, is your IP being blacklisted.

    Email is usually the most favored way to enter the game for beginners. However, it is the most difficult and advanced form of lead gen that you can do and that's why most people fail.
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    • Profile picture of the author squidface
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      Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

      Cold emails suck... It's the lowest response rate out of ANY lead generation method. It's also my favorite.

      Most people don't have success with cold emails because they're not doing it in volume. If you're sending to 2,000 people a week... it's not enough. 20,000 will give you better results. .0001% is the typical response rate. How you define your response rate will change that number. If you're considering your response rate to be anyone who responds that is qualified or not, as part of the numbers then it will be higher. I consider it to be those that are actual leads.

      You have to consistently send. I have cold emails that I've sent to for 2-3 years and never called, never emailed, nothing...then they eventually call after consistent contact and buy.

      You have to realize that it is a numbers game like everything else. Even with an awful response rate it can be very profitable.

      You're doing it wrong though. If you're manually sending these emails, thats no bueno. If you're doing low volume, you're wasting your time. If you're using a free service like gmail, hotmail, etc. it's a waste of time.

      The biggest initial problem people have is deliverability. If you don't have good deliverability then what's the point? Second.. is spam filters and domain blacklists. Third, but a devastating issue, is your IP being blacklisted.

      Email is usually the most favored way to enter the game for beginners. However, it is the most difficult and advanced form of lead gen that you can do and that's why most people fail.
      So you are saying i need to mass spam business? I thought that was illegal?

      Forget it, if i only get a 0.001% rate i'd say my offer isn't good enough
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        You're missing the point. A huge chunk of your messages don't make it to inboxes. Of the rest, a bunch of them do not get read because of your subject line.

        Not all people you send an email message see your offer!

        If you're using gmail, sign up with yesware.com... It will let you know who opened your emails and who did not, when, how many times.

        You will know, in other words, how many actually get a chance to see your message...
        Originally Posted by squidface View Post

        So you are saying i need to mass spam business? I thought that was illegal?

        Forget it, if i only get a 0.001% rate i'd say my offer isn't good enough
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      • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
        Originally Posted by squidface View Post

        So you are saying i need to mass spam business? I thought that was illegal?

        Forget it, if i only get a 0.001% rate i'd say my offer isn't good enough
        Then I'd say cold emailing is a very big mistake for you to even spend time with. It's a numbers game.

        Nobody cares about an offer... People care about themselves.

        Yes, in order to have success with cold emailing, generally you need to mass mail. It is not illegal in the US. If you have a .001% response rate then that is actually considered good. .0001% is average.

        To give you an example of an attorney we work with... inquiries through the website email, there are 75-100/week of people that offer SEO.

        If you expect a 2% response rate, then you need an opt in list not a cold list. It's just not going to happen.

        You also need to have a series of emails, I recommend each week, to the same people. That's going to give the best results. Most people never even reach a .0001% response rate.
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  • Profile picture of the author Sam Zachuth
    I must get 10 mails a day to my contact for things like SEO and web design services (lol irony!), lights, masonry, etc.

    Businesses get roped into joining places like manta (like I did, sobb), then they are listed in a huge directory with their contact info. Spammers use these "services" to scrape emails and send out mass mails to them. It is an epidemic because an email is a mere trifle to do and send out in mass amounts.

    So yeah, it is because it is WAY over saturated, and people hate them with a passion!

    It can also be that your sales copy really really sucks as well. Most people do crappy sales emails and think they should be the next millionaire online.

    Some things to consider I guess...
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  • Profile picture of the author squidface
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    Most of them on here though. Selling software on the wso section that does that!

    Definition of "crappy"?

    It can also be that your sales copy really really sucks as well. Most people do crappy sales emails and think they should be the next millionaire online.
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  • Profile picture of the author bsummers
    Maybe your subject is not something worth opening. It is important that you capture the audience attention just by the subject line.
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  • Profile picture of the author Entreventurer
    Originally Posted by squidface View Post

    ...

    Look I never expected to send a few emails and snag clients but I would expect say a 2%+ response.

    Yet, it's more like 0.0001%.

    ...
    Yes, very low response rate, but still better than 0%, right?

    So the answer should be obvious: increase the sending volume and make sure to contact your prospects more than once, probably with a bit different email templates. Some won't respond or buy until they see it 4-5 times.
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  • Profile picture of the author Karol Z
    Think about how you, yourself would react to getting an email from someone who you do not know, about something you do not care about. 99.9999% of people will trash the e-mail without even reading it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nail Yener
    I did emailing a while ago when I was selling mobile websites. Although I agree that the response rate is low, mine was not in the 0.0001% range. It was more like in the range of 0.5%. Now, the response rate is something, conversion rate is something. So, my rate of closing deals was about 0.1% (about one in a thousand). I remember once selling 3 mobile sites out of about 3,000 emails that I sent. I might have improved my response rate and conversion rate if I kept testing things and continued on this but I was lured by other projects that seemed better in terms of return.

    When emailing businesses, the first important thing is to accept that not all your emails will be seen, and among the ones that are seen, not all will be seen by the business owner. Sometimes, they will be seen by the current webmaster wo will laugh at your email and immediately delete or even mark it as spam. Also a large number of emails will be seen by the gatekeepers who don't really care about tech stuff or growing the business so they will just ignore your emails if they smell marketing/selling. Actually, some gatekeepers will ignore any type of emails because they don't care enough about the business to check all the emails they get every day.

    Second important thing is to accept that business owners are not waiting on the other side of the screen for your email to hear about your fantastic services to bring more customers to them. They do want to have more customers (honestly, some even don't care about that), but they don't care about your services no matter how good or profitable they can be for them.

    Third important thing is to accept that Internet has a bad reputation for all those scams/frauds etc. that happened heavily in the past and that still continue to happen. Email has always been the best way for that type of activities. So, the majority of the business owners or gatekeepers who read your email will consider it as spam or an attempt for scam and simply ignore.

    In short, whatever you do, you will never get a high response rate.

    Once you accept that, your expected response rate will not be 2%. 2% percent is high for this type of emailing. Even some active buyer lists don't have that response rate (I don't mean open rate). If you get 10 responses from businesses for 1,000 emails sent, you should feel good.

    Accepting all the above sad facts, your first job is to attract the attention of the person who sees your email title. Whoever that is. Your first email title should say "open me" from that business point of view. You can only do that by having a title that is related to that business such as asking for information about the business, asking for details about their services, products, location etc. Even in that case, you will be surprised how low the response rate is. I mean, you, as a business man would reply any email you get that is related to your business, asking about your services, products, right? It is not the same in local business world. Send 100 emails to random businesses asking about their services/products from a customer point of view and see the response rate yourself. There are many reasons for that. The email address is not active, the emails are checked like once a year, the email is not seen, the person who saw the email did not read or care about it or forgot to reply.

    Anyway, once you get a response your second job is to build trust before firstly mentioning any of your services. How you do that is up to you. In the second email, you should transform from a potential customer to someone who can help their business, softly. Let them know you are a real person by including your contact info/social profiles. Tell them about yourself and your skills and what you noticed about their business/website/marketing that you think can be improved. That way, they will start to think that you are a real person, you know what you are talking about and you are trying to genuinely help them. You might tell the problem in 2nd email and offer your solution in 3rd email, up to you. Once you get the first response, getting a second response to your next email is like 100%.

    If the first responder is not the business owner or decision maker, kindly ask how you can reach that person to discuss further about ... in detail. Put anything you want in the dots. Prefer not to mention any of your services.

    You will not be able to close every business that responds but the main difficulty in emailing is to get the business to respond. The way I described above you will have a higher chance to get the first response. The rest is up to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Solem
    Sorry - nothing personal, but I'm still just amazed at the number of people trying to sell services like SEO and web design that has the potential to make them thousands of dollars, and yet they're using the cheapest and most ineffective methods out there like cold emailing.

    Marketing rule #1 is you have to get your prospects attention, and joining the ranks of the other dozens or hundreds of seo's contacting your prospects by email monthly doesn't make sense to me.

    If you have decent sales material and a good offer, have you tried spending a buck on a real letter or sending something via Priority mail to really get their attention? I know nothing about your business, but if you can make $1k+ on an SEO client - why not spend a few dollars to get a client by being a little creative and doing something the rest of the world is NOT doing?
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    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
      Originally Posted by Steve Solem View Post

      Sorry - nothing personal, but I'm still just amazed at the number of people trying to sell services like SEO and web design that has the potential to make thevolume.sands of dollars, and yet they're using the cheapest and most ineffective methods out there like cold emailing.

      Marketing rule #1 is you have to get your prospects attention, and joining the ranks of the other dozens or hundreds of seo's contacting your prospects by email monthly doesn't make sense to me.

      If you have decent sales material and a good offer, have you tried spending a buck on a real letter or sending something via Priority mail to really get their attention? I know nothing about your business, but if you can make $1k+ on an SEO client - why not spend a few dollars to get a client by being a little creative and doing something the rest of the world is NOT doing?
      Email most certainly isn't the cheapest. Its a numbers game like anything else. If you don't like the response rates of any method then you have a couple options. Either work on increasing your response rates, or scale up in volume.

      Or you could use a triple threat option.. Email, followed up with direct mail, all setting you up for a cold call that isn't really cold anymore. It gives the benefit of inbound leads and also familiarity for those that never called in.

      You really need a sequence of emails for any email marketing. I like 12-14 emails spread out, a weekly send with a 4-8 week break after the sequence. The 4-8 week break in one list I start with a new list during that time. I also at first separate a list by industry, that way I can just get rid of dead industries with super low open rates before combining into the main list.
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  • Profile picture of the author Underground
    If you're sending out email and getting less than 5% then you're one of those coarse morons sending out overt sales messages trying to sell or pitch something right of the bat. Like every other unsophisticated idiot spamming people's inboxes with, irony upon irony, offers of taking care of their marketing for them. I really despair at how amateur and cheap people are on the Warrior forum. Like the grasping monkey who get their hands stuck in the jar because they just cannot let go of the candy inside, they just can't let go of their own greed and consider things from their market's perspective.

    I mean, ask a simple question in an email, a one sentence question of a business, with genuine intent to offer some kind of info that will help them, a guide or something, and you'll massively increase your response rates and from there you can move the conversation on.

    Create you own solo ads in your email templates that act like ads and link to a landing page to sell your stuff, but just keep the content of the actual email neutral and non-salesy. Most businesses, just out of curiousity will not instantly dismiss an email if it differs from the other 100 spam messages they got that week, and could be from a customer or genuine business.

    And if interested, and your banner ad in your email (as long as you are using business customized email and not just text email) catches their eye and has a strong headline they'll more than likely click anyway if you have vomited a cheesy sales pitch all over them in your first email.
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    • Profile picture of the author AussieT
      Originally Posted by Underground View Post


      And if interested, and your banner ad in your email (as long as you are using business customized email and not just text email) catches their eye and has a strong headline they'll more than likely click anyway if you have vomited a cheesy sales pitch all over them in your first email.
      I'm not sure if people will really see the banners in the first place because many if not most emails arrive without the images displaying and you have to manually choose to show the images. I never bother unless it is from someone I know.
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  • Profile picture of the author squidface
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    ok let me put it another way then

    Cold emailing = stinks

    cold calling = much better

    Why is that? Both are spam.
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      You use words carelessly, or with a meaning they don't have.

      Spam is sending irrelevant or inappropriate messages on the internet to a large number of recipients.

      If you don't send to large number, it's not spam.
      If you send to large numbers relevant messages, it's not spam.
      Notice that the definition doesn't have anything to do with messages the recipient did not ask to receive.

      If you send a message about cheap flour to a baker, it's neither irrelevant nor inappropriate, even though he/she might have a cheaper source than what you offer.

      If you send an independent insurance agent a message about using personalized coffee cups as a marketing tool, it's not irrelevant or inappropriate, even if the agents isn't looking to buy personalized coffee mugs, though she might not want to buy any. Ever.

      That said, businesses have a different view of incoming phone calls than they do of incoming email messages. There's decades of history of new and old buyers calling to buy on the phone. There aren't decades of new or old buyers emailing to buy.

      Plus, phone calls are more expensive (money, time, effort) then emails. So people are more curious about phone calls...


      Originally Posted by squidface View Post

      ok let me put it another way then

      Cold emailing = stinks

      cold calling = much better

      Why is that? Both are spam.
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  • Profile picture of the author squidface
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    wow.."moron", "idiot"

    "pot and kettles"

    If you're sending out email and getting less than 5% then you're one of those coarse morons sending out overt sales messages trying to sell or pitch something right of the bat. Like every other unsophisticated idiot spamming people's inboxes with, irony upon
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  • Profile picture of the author squidface
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    That's good advice. SEE NO NEED TO CALL NAMES.

    I mean, ask a simple question in an email, a one sentence question of a business, with genuine intent to offer some kind of info that will help them, a guide or something, and you'll massively increase your response rates and from there you can move the conversation on.

    Create you own solo ads in your email templates that act like ads and link to a landing page to sell your stuff, but just keep the content of the actual email neutral and non-salesy. Most businesses, just out of curiousity will not instantly dismiss an email if it differs from the other 100 spam messages they got that week, and could be from a customer or genuine business.

    And if interested, and your banner ad in your email (as long as you are using business customized email and not just text email) catches their eye and has a strong headline they'll more than likely click anyway if you have vomited a cheesy sales pitch all over them in your first email.
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  • Profile picture of the author AndrewCavanagh
    If you're sending the same bland email to hundreds or thousands
    of businesses at once you shouldn't expect a good response.

    If you take the time to highly personalize each email and use a
    little psychology you should be able to get 50% to 75%+ of
    people replying.

    The more work you put into personalization the better the return
    you get out.

    If you're approaching a niche market you should be looking at charging
    substantial fees in that niche market so taking the time with each
    prospect should be worth the effort.

    It's a mistake when you're looking at getting clients worth tens of
    thousands of dollars or more to you to try to contact a whole pile
    of them as if you're selling a $10 product.

    Take the time to create something that can't be ignored.

    And as has already been mentioned...consider direct mail too as your
    first contact.

    Kindest regards,
    Andrew Cavanagh
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    • Profile picture of the author squidface
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      Originally Posted by AndrewCavanagh View Post

      If you're sending the same bland email to hundreds or thousands
      of businesses at once you shouldn't expect a good response.

      If you take the time to highly personalize each email and use a
      little psychology you should be able to get 50% to 75%+ of
      people replying.

      The more work you put into personalization the better the return
      you get out.

      If you're approaching a niche market you should be looking at charging
      substantial fees in that niche market so taking the time with each
      prospect should be worth the effort.

      It's a mistake when you're looking at getting clients worth tens of
      thousands of dollars or more to you to try to contact a whole pile
      of them as if you're selling a $10 product.

      Take the time to create something that can't be ignored.

      And as has already been mentioned...consider direct mail too as your
      first contact.

      Kindest regards,
      Andrew Cavanagh
      But i did all this. |personalised, something of great value, fee offer.....not one reply. That's why I say it was a bit baffling and surprising.

      Why did everyone jump up and down and presume I spammed Viagra offers to businesses or something?

      But it good advise Andrew.
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      • Profile picture of the author jamesfreddyc
        Originally Posted by squidface View Post

        But i did all this. |personalised, something of great value, fee offer.....not one reply. That's why I say it was a bit baffling and surprising.

        I personally don't think they care a hoot about your value or offer. Why should they? They have no idea who you are, you are trying to establish a social exchange in a cold email and the last thing they'd think is "that's a great value!".

        I thought this was interesting and useful.

        How to Email Influential People & Get a Response! - YouTube

        Of course, it is opposite of your approach to send lots of emails. But then again, that really wasn't working for you right?

        While I don't do a lot of cold emailing, I would think you might get a better response if you kept it really short (2 or 3 sentences) and bring up a pain point that might exist in their world that you have a possible solution to.
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  • Profile picture of the author 06blawton
    Originally Posted by squidface View Post

    hi

    Look I never expected to send a few emails and snag clients but I would expect say a 2%+ response.

    Yet, it's more like 0.0001%.

    Why is so bad? Are they spammed so much now they simply trash everything?

    I only offer s.e.o. services to one specific niche. Iv'e tried all kinds of different approaches, long, short, smart, factual, with price, without, etc..no difference.

    Anyone doing better and any good samples of what works in initial contact?

    Thank you
    OP,

    If you're doing this to win new business, I wouldn't really recommend email.

    You'll only get a decent number responses if you send a TON of emails, and even then you will have burned up many perfectly good leads.

    The main reason that response rates are so poor for email is most busy professionals can get 100+ emails on any given day, and if a large number of those are from colleagues & clients, your email will fall right to the bottom of the priority ladder -- read: they'll flag it up but never get round to following it up.

    The other reason is that most people (including you) seem to go straight into sales mode when they send an email out. They seem to think that their prospects will instantly see the value of using their services. Nope.

    When you do make that first contact -- be it by phone, email or direct mail -- your aim is simply to start a conversation.

    For example, when I started freelancing I used to send the same type of emails that you do. My response? Nada.

    But then I changed things up a bit. A few weeks later, I noticed a software company with some pretty awful marketing copy. Here's what I did:

    - I rang the company. I asked the receptionist who deals with their website, and if I could have his email, as there's a few things I'd like to point out to him.

    - I sent the guy an email asking if they hire freelance copywriters to work on their copy, and gave him a link to my samples page in case they ever do. I also gave him some tips in a "P.S" statement about how he could improve his website.

    - 2 days later (most busy people won't give you an instant reply) the guy replied. We had a short conversation about their website and how it could be improved, and now he's booked in for June. I'm rewriting all of the website copy.

    - The email worked so well because it was:

    a) Non committal -- I asked a simple question rather than the "hire me now and I'll change your life!" sales mode that turns so many people off;

    b) I had some credibility -- I name dropped his receptionist in the email, saying she told me he was the right person to speak to;

    c) I offered some value up-front -- giving him some tips on his website, nothing over the top, showed him that I had something to offer, and wasn't just going for the quick easy sale.

    Giving this ^^ a try might help you, but it takes a lot of time to do the necessary research. In all honesty if you apply the same tips to cold-calling (i.e. invite a conversation rather than pushing your services down their throat) you'll get a better response rate.

    Another option would be direct mail. It's much easier to get the right office address than it is the right email. Hire a good copywriter to draft you up a lead-gen direct mailer with a free report/guide as the offer. If they email you or call you by XX/XX/XXXX you'll send it right to their inbox free of charge.

    Do it right and you'll get a much better response rate than going for the kill with the first contact, and you'll then have a well targeted list of prospects to follow up on. They'll now be much more receptive to speaking to you about your services, as your whitepaper/free report helps to establish some credibility.

    You could also try generating leads through your website. Same scenario as the direct-mail offer. Set up a landing page (or hire a decent copywriter to do it for you) promoting your free report. Drive targeted traffic with PPC and if they opt-in they can download the report. Set up a drip-feed auto-responder series offering emails that solves problems they'll be having. When you get to #9 in the sequence, offer them a free consultation/critique or something like that.

    Hope that helped.

    -- Ben Lawton
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  • Profile picture of the author squidface
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    That's not true at all. You can send one spam email Doesn't have to be a high number to be classed as spam. Geez. Think before you call me careless.


    ou use words carelessly, or with a meaning they don't have.

    Spam is sending irrelevant or inappropriate messages on the internet to a large number of recipients.

    If you don't send to large number, it's not spam.
    If you send to large numbers relevant messages, it's not spam.
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      https://www.google.com/search?num=10....0.NMLRBJRlzsw

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      Originally Posted by squidface View Post

      That's not true at all. You can send one spam email Doesn't have to be a high number to be classed as spam. Geez. Think before you call me careless.


      ou use words carelessly, or with a meaning they don't have.
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      • Profile picture of the author Underground
        Originally Posted by squidface View Post

        wow.."moron", "idiot"

        "pot and kettles"
        You're far too flippant and dismissive on this thread to the great info people have given you. In my case, fine. You thought I was calling you a moron. You're a beginner and it's only logical to assume if you send enough sales emails someone will bite. I think we've all done that. I was referring to those who still mass email years later at such a low rate. If they'd have changed their approach they would have been/would be getting far more business.

        You seemed sarcastic in response to Ewan's post. He's someone to listen to. And other great advice, like personalizing emails, you think you have already done this maybe because you put names in their or something and still sent a generic copy and paste message.

        Equally dismissive of others. Bad move.

        Originally Posted by AussieT View Post

        I'm not sure if people will really see the banners in the first place because many if not most emails arrive without the images displaying and you have to manually choose to show the images. I never bother unless it is from someone I know.

        On Google most do now as default. But obvious a good proportion won't (was around 49% in 2009, but don't know what figure is now) first time around. You can put a headline link in your signature area for those not using html. And if you take a question based approach, since most people feel compelled to answer a question, and begin dialogue from there, you can always link them from there once dialogue has progressed.

        Dismissing it is like dismissing Solo ads because not everyone clicks on them or will take notice. You're after the ones that do. Make your email look like a genuine, important business enquiry rather than a lecherous sales message and far more people are likely to read your message and a few will click on banner offer if it's highly relevant and enticing.
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      Your results may due to these 2 factors...

      1 Your group may prefer to get their messages
      by another media

      2 The email addresses have a high level of
      of UN-deliverables.

      The medical profession prefer email over all other media.
      Their open rate is highest in the evening.

      You can buy/rent email lists which have a 98%
      delivery guarantee. All CAN Spam compliant

      Best,
      Ewen
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      • Profile picture of the author squidface
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        Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

        Your results may due to these 2 factors...

        1 Your group may prefer to get their messages
        by another media

        2 The email addresses have a high level of
        of UN-deliverables.

        The medical profession prefer email over all other media.
        Their open rate is highest in the evening.

        You can buy/rent email lists which have a 98%
        delivery guarantee. All CAN Spam compliant

        Best,
        Ewen
        Yeah ok thank you for that.
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      • Profile picture of the author Underground
        Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

        Your results may due to these 2 factors...

        1 Your group may prefer to get their messages
        by another media

        2 The email addresses have a high level of
        of UN-deliverables.

        The medical profession prefer email over all other media.
        Their open rate is highest in the evening.

        You can buy/rent email lists which have a 98%
        delivery guarantee. All CAN Spam compliant

        Best,
        Ewen

        Which vendors can you vouch for these lists Ewan? And have you got any experience with the effective of this method?
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        • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
          Originally Posted by Underground View Post

          Which vendors can you vouch for these lists Ewan? And have you got any experience with the effective of this method?
          These will give you an idea on what's available...
          : - Learn More About Infogroup!

          Best,
          Ewen
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    • Profile picture of the author squidface
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      Originally Posted by karenfisher252 View Post

      Cold calling does not work today. Instead send interesting emails to approach the clients/prospects.
      Are you serious?
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  • Profile picture of the author TrumpiaTim
    Too much spam and multiple email addresses for every individual makes it tough for you to ever get through. At least with a phone call you can have a goal of reaching someone and if you don't catch them you can most likely leave a voicemail.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonwebb
    Originally Posted by squidface View Post

    hi

    Look I never expected to send a few emails and snag clients but I would expect say a 2%+ response.

    Yet, it's more like 0.0001%.

    Why is so bad? Are they spammed so much now they simply trash everything?

    I only offer s.e.o. services to one specific niche. Iv'e tried all kinds of different approaches, long, short, smart, factual, with price, without, etc..no difference.

    Anyone doing better and any good samples of what works in initial contact?

    Thank you
    people have emails solely dedicated to sign up for email lists they don't want.

    hell some people don't answer emails they are expecting.

    I barley read email unless its a client, or from someone I enjoy reading from ( Ben settle comes to mind)
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  • Profile picture of the author Greg guitar
    Try delivering value up front that's infinitely harder to ignore than yet another pitch from someone they never heard of. Would you be more likely to respond to yet another SEO email pitch saying essentially: "hey stranger; buy from me because I'm great at what I do" or a message from someone who makes the effort to email, call, and send a letter, asking them to Google "best divorce attorney in Atlanta", to "check out the video I created and ranked on page one of Google" to show them that you're not just another SEO advertiser, ready to take their money, and deliver nothing like others before you already did?

    People have been burned; a lot. They aren't impressed by promises; they are impressed by results. Deliver them and you'll get noticed. Otherwise it's just more noise.
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  • i wouldn't go out of my way to say that email is the best way to go, but it does work. if you're not capable of generating very few responses, then edit your mail again and send out as much as you can. Editing your copy is not that hard to do. Again, volume is the goal The more messages sent out the better
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  • Profile picture of the author McKattry
    As a person who gets a ton of spam, I'll tell you, anything I don't recognize gets junked. Anything that looks remotely like I didn't sign up for it gets automatically spammed. Hard truth, as I'm an IM'er too, but that's the way it goes.
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  • Profile picture of the author harvestdata
    See. First off, I might be you in a parallel universe with the " Iv'e tried all kinds of different approaches, long, short, smart, factual, with price, without, etc.." so its fair to say I know a great deal about what you are saying. PS: In SEO only.

    Let me add that it will never be 2%+ as long as it is cold. But it can be upto 0.5% which I have achieved so far.

    I have been in and out trying emailing through:
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    - Gmail (Works best for cold emailing)
    - Yahoo, Live, Aol etc (very good deliverability but work less than gmail taking all things into consideration
    - Both automated & manual emailing for the above points
    - CRMs (work very good)
    - Dedicated & Virtual private servers (not a good idea for cold emails)
    - Sending through E-mail SMTP Clients with free email addresses (not so good)
    - Many others which are points of discussion

    All I can say today is two things.

    - A combination of good list & good email deliverablity is all that you need while sending cold emails.
    - Cold e-mailing Leads and conversions have probably the highest rate of ROI.
    - The road of cold e-mailing is going down, probably has already gone down.

    During my 3+ years of doing all of these above, I became so good at building excellent prospects lists that this is what I do now at investigatedomains. com and have been very successful in getting high converting (& happy) SEO customers. we should have a chat someday to share know how. I am sure there are a lot of things we can learn from each other.
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  • Profile picture of the author SocialSEOs
    Fact: Indoor air pollution is more toxic than outdoor air pollution. Email is becoming like indoor air pollution. You need to find other ways to capture a business owner's attention because this route is clearly not working for you (and many others). Perhaps try engaging with them through social media, get acquainted there, exchange contact info, and then have a real conversation with them via email, skype, phone or other one-to-one channel.
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