Do you sell just website design/development services?

This is what I want to know more about.

I don't sell website design by itself.
I will only do web design as part of a funnel.

I have been asked several times to build someone a website, and I won't do it.
If you don't have the budget to create a full blown funnel, go somewhere else.
There are plenty of people that will build a decent website for under $1,000.

I get contacted as a result of relationships I had built iin the past. I used to build websites as a stand alone service, so I would get calls from those clients or their referrals. I focus on buildiing their business as a whole and don't believe a website by itslef is enough.

I build web sites as part of a greater marketing plan. If someone just wants a site I tell them to go get one built and later when they want to increase their sales I can make them a new one that is part of funnel.

Somewhat related a funny story that just happened today.

I have a client that has become a friend over the years.
I helped him build his multi million dollar mini storage business.
He has a marketing machine that keeps his units full and he is not afraid to spend money because he understands that you don't just build a web site you build a machine that generates profits. He tracks conversions and does not let someone that is not a closer answer his phones. H responds to form submits within minutes and knows how essential it is to close rates. His marketing machine consists of site(s), great social presence, ppc and some JV's and a slick back end that automates billing and relieves stress.

He was considering helping a friend that is a contractor because even though he is a great contractor he just can't seem to get it together. He figured by partnering with him and handling all of the marketing/back office that this guy might finally get where he should be. I don't take on many locally focused clients anymore but he asked for a favor so I met the contractor.

I spent an hour with the guy detailing a plan and showing a few examples. My mouth waters at the thought of tackling contractor/service niches as I love the impact I can have and find it fun!! I gave him an absurdly low price because I am great friends with the storage guy.

The storage guy wanted to make sure the contractor was committed to this so he told him that they would split the cost of the initial marketing setup so the already low price was actually being split in two.

When he left the contractor called the storage guy and said "why don't we just get a site for $50 because they are all the same, we just need to get online and the work will roll in."

The storage guy called me and apologized for wasting my time and cancelled any plans of a partnership with the contractor telling him that his problem was much more than taking care of accounting and he could not help him.

I would love to offer a marketing funnel/consulting kind of service, but I currently don't have the amount of time I can dedicate to doing that. Also, and I'll be honest here, I'm not the best at offering marketing consulting to a business, yet. Sure I can throw around a few ideas but nothing impactful (notice my language... yes I'm shamelessly pleading guilty). I want to get there, and someday I will.. hopefully soon.

But, currently, my skill is only to be able to make websites (not ranking or off-page SEO). So, I need to know what is the value in what I'm going to be offering.

Hi,

there are some curious things there;

A webdesigner builds website not make seo.

Seo and Webdesign are two different industry things.

Internet Marketing is another thing too. A Internet marketer is not a Webdesigner.,theese are two different shoes.

So okay when you have knowledge of them you can put it in your Webdesign service pack.

I make little money in europe with Webdesign and offer many services including,but the clients not will pay more than 250€.I not understand theese peoples here on wf who telling us how sell Webdesign/Wordpress themes for $1000 each.

Nobody will pay this sum for a webseite/wordpress website, for an ecommerce store/shop,yes,but not for an business website.

Ok I make little money and can reinvest that,but often I be little bit down,this is the "work for the man" thing.

I have no plan to sell my webdesign+service including for higher price,I sell on ebay and with a price over 220€-250€ I make no sales.

Build shop/ecommerce website there I have no much knowledge is not my thing in the moment,only build business websites-btw. websites for business owners,like dentist,real estate,.........

One of the site from my clients in the Promotion Consulting branch,his website ranks after 2 months on #1-3 with deeper pages on google!

But they not will pay more than 220€-is here the devil in detail?



best wishes
marco005

Hi

Jason: what do you mean?

I have a portifolio,satisfied clients, many service including and the clients will not paying more than 250€ to my service.

I must find out why? Or I concentrate on theese "stunning" glitter-glubber websites (they are not good for seo) who are sell for high price?

??
I have no idea in the moment.


best wishes
marco005

Yes, I personally sell both. But you have to consider that the web design service market is becoming more and more competitive. I personally do not do a simple website below $799 but it does not mean that you can not sell you service above this rate. That is my personal rate. If you do Google you will find that people are offering website design service below $100! You know it is crazy. Because you can not make profit with such a low rate.

People are getting more aware and they love to save money with buying themes. That is why I love to create themes and sell online. I believe there is much more options to earn more by developing themes other than selling services. It is because there is no rule for freelancers about pricing and the market seems going to lower rate.

What is most annoying is people keep asking for amendments when you develop website for people. And it will just kill your time and people never realize that how much time can be lost while doing their amendments. When I get a project I try to finish it within 2 or three days as I have a lot of works to do. But another problem then appear clients can not provide content for their website within such a short time and it makes more more slower and kill more time.

wordpressmaina,

Gas is getting more expensive every single day and has been for years. The economy is in crisis. The sky is falling...
but wait....
why is it that they still sell million dollar homes, there are waiting lists for Italian sports cars and even on my trip to Jamaica the poorest of the poor at the dance club where talking on their new iphones and wearing $150USD jeans?

there is always room for a mid to high level service you just have to decide to provide it.

Personally I hope everybody starts selling sites at $50 a pop because the service, sites and results will be so poor I will not be able to keep up with the high end clients that are happy to pay 2k for a simple 5 page web site if it is handled properly and setup to make them more than it cost them.

I saw the post here about the $50 services. It does hurt other marketers because IMers who do offline know that they can charge higher, and when you contact certain business owners who know your price, they'll say things like "I could get this for $80 on CL". It's frustrating at times when this happens, and you'll come to find that eventually you will find clients who don't do research through CL.

Hi,

yeah, its correct what Jason said.
Look at your best +++ skills you can do and stop hurt yourself with 100 web design service.

For myself I be on ebay in the moment,but I not plan to do this all long in the future.

I will try yellow pages listing (free)
google+
and write guestpost at niche related Blogs,websites,
and cold email acquise

This all is for free I hope it will work to get higher paying clients.

This week I had post from adwords a 200€ free bonus for adwords. I be not new on adwords I have my adwords account since last 4 years,but I not have buy adwords or have set my bank account into them, so I will try this 200€ free bonus. I have found good keywords so that I can test it with a 50€ budget for a fully month (around 250 clicks).

I will test adwords to see does interesting clients buy web design online (I have my paypal button on my site) we will see..........

But I be sure that clients who will pay up at $800 will not buy web design online,they will see you first or will call at phone first to you.

best wishes
marco005

Most of my business is through referrals. I do such good job with people (wow i hurt my arm patting myself on the back) that they refer me to others. I have one client that uses me 20 hours a week which keeps me pretty busy and allows me to test all kinds of things so I just fill it in with offline clients and the courses I create, plus my own commerce sites...

Wow great comments on this thread. We have done one-off websites in the past but know the client needs so much more. Unfortunately they don't often recognize it.

As far as sell web design service my answer is .. Not unless I have to but usually I will outsource the work if I fall into a job but its definitely not my lead offer..

I lead with leads new customers or return customers , simply increase their business and show fast result's and then I sell them everything that I think will help them or I will set up a funnel for them to generate leads.. Which is a great service to sell along with social media management .
I like to go after the money and not finicky people that you have to explain what a custom website means.

I work with car dealers,pizzerias, lawyers I have a dinette store, chiropractors and a few non profit ad word gigs that pay real well also I have a pressure cleaning company along with a few others that I do SMS marketing for that pay me monthly. I did not count selling a few mobile sites here and there to some local businesses.

Web design is terrible business model and not enough money in it along with very difficult to compete in the cut throat business with all the free website commercials on television these days.

Selling websites a $50 is next to no money on their end. God help that person.

Charging low prices for high services blows my mind, but even more so I think about the situation with the media industry hitting a point where media based services will no longer hold much value, due to large companies doing the service for cheaper then your average freelancer

You have to convey to those mom & pop operations that their old website is costing them money instead of making it for them.

Their website should be their number 1 lead generator. Make sure they understand the value of a website that captures leads, integrates with social platforms, and looks pretty on multiple devices.