Can You Pass Your Business Down?

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You have busted your guts over many years,
you've made yourself independent from a paycheck,
you've got some nice cashflow coming in....

all for what?

Can you imagine passing it on to someone else without
interruption with only a week or two transition time?

Had this conversation with a consulting client and friend.

I had been dropping some strong suggestions to a alternative type of business
to his current one.

Then today he said no way could he pass his present marketing service business
on to his 2 daughters as a legacy, yet this new one he is creating out of thin air will be able to.

I'd like you to think about it for a while.

Is your current business model making it easy or hard to have someone step in
and have it running without revenue interruption?

If it isn't looking too good, then you might want to look at getting into
a whole new business that can create a legacy.

The reality is some business models are just not geared for passing on to someone else.

Hope that's given you food for thought.

Best,
Ewen
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Stewart
    Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

    You have busted your guts over many years,
    you've made yourself independent from a paycheck,
    you've got some nice cashflow coming in....

    all for what?

    Can you imagine passing it on to someone else without
    interruption with only a week or two transition time?

    Had this conversation with a consulting client and friend.

    I had been dropping some strong suggestions to a alternative type of business
    to his current one.

    Then today he said no way could he pass his present marketing service business
    on to his 2 daughters as a legacy, yet this new one he is creating out of thin air will be able to.

    I'd like you to think about it for a while.

    Is your current business model making it easy or hard to have someone step in
    and have it running without revenue interruption?

    If it isn't looking too good, then you might want to look at getting into
    a whole new business that can create a legacy.

    The reality is some business models are just not geared for passing on to someone else.

    Hope that's given you food for thought.

    Best,
    Ewen


    This is something that's been bothering me for awhile now. I tried to get my wife involved in the business a few years ago before the recession hit and she tried it for awhile, but hated it. I'd hoped to teach her something that would make her independent if anything ever happened to me, but she just refuses to do it.

    It's not really a huge asset either. I'm not saying it would be impossible to sell, but I'm not certain how much value it would actually have since nothing happens unless outbound calls are made.

    I've been looking around at other business models recently. I have a love/hate relationship with what I've been doing. I enjoy most of my customers. I've done business with many of them for years.

    On the other hand, I dislike the fact that this business won't run itself. I dislike the fact that I almost have no alternative but to carry inventory now. It wasn't that way when I first got back into it 2 years ago. I seem to have a never ending stack of invoices that must be paid every month and it's becoming tiring.

    I also dislike the fact that it's very seasonal. Things just suck during the winter and really don't start getting busy until mid-May to the beginning of June.

    I've built a couple websites (again) and have begun syndicating content across the web. Actually, I have a helper that does it for me. I know for a fact that it works because there are other Warriors that have been doing it successfully for years. The idea is to build enough viral traffic through multiple sources to where it becomes non-stop and entice visitors to get on my email list where I can provide them with great information and market to them as long as they don't unsubscribe. That can be set up long term by simply using an autoresponder.

    I've also begun testing some offers using paid advertising again. I used to do pretty well with that back in 2007/2008 until I lost my Adwords account.

    I'd definitely be interested in hearing about alternative types of businesses if you wouldn't mind sharing?

    Thanks in advance.

    Joe
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  • Profile picture of the author AmericanMuscleTA
    It's amazing to see all of these businesses get handed down to their kids and "POOF!" The business is gone.

    Don't hand someone the apple if they're not going to eat it.
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      I do multiple things. I have my satellite business which for the most part might as well be my 19 yr olds business already. He wants absolutely nothing to do with the digital side of what I do. To give you an idea, if I ever needed help with a new fangled electronic item I would be more inclined to ask my 5 year old how it works, before asking the 19 yr old! ha ha ( sad but true )

      My 5 yr old has a great interest in the printing and vinyl and web design side of the business. at a extremely young age he has been on my lap or in the chair next to me for hours at a time looking, and now asking questions ( why why why echos endlessly in the office! ) When I am doing layout designs or web design I hear from him "Really?" when something is off or the color combinations are bad... it really is funny! The only time the wife comes in the studio.. well when there is a party, or none of us look at our phones and its my turn to cook dinner! haha

      Growing up I was somewhat supported in what I wanted to do. I fully support any path that my kids follow. ( probably to a fault I am sure )

      So has the idea of passing it on ever crossed my mind? well never in the sense of urgency to ensure that they are forced into knowing what is going on, but if the interest is there the education begins.
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    I would sell it instead of passing it on, if you cant sell your buiness its not worth building
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  • I have been able to hand over the majority of my offline business to a good friend several months ago. I land a lot of clients now, but I still remember giving a lot of it because I stopped and had to do something else outside of Internet marketing.

    But.


    I only did so because I knew about the person, and they have been doing this as well. So it's not like the person was inexperienced with how offline works.
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    • Profile picture of the author KloudStrife
      You can hand it down to someone like minded whom you know would utilize the business rather then think its a 1 button automatic working business. most people take business
      s handed down the family tree and sinks the business like titanic cause they lack investment and management skills. In other words, they take the business thinking it will work automatically....noone wants to actually work these days
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  • Profile picture of the author Huskerdarren
    [QUOTE=ewenmack;9291450]
    Then today he said no way could he pass his present marketing service business
    on to his 2 daughters as a legacy, yet this new one he is creating out of thin air will be able to.
    /QUOTE]

    I didn't understand this sentence. What would be different? Either his daughters have interest or they don't. Is this what they want? Don't worry about your legacy when you're gone. He outta have competent managers that can run it so it can be sold. The girls should live the lives they want.
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  • Profile picture of the author Joe Stewart
    Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post


    Hope that's given you food for thought.

    It certainly has. I'm still waiting for you to make some suggestions. LOL

    I asked someone else for suggestions on a similar topic a couple weeks ago and I'm still waiting on him, too.

    Anyone?
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    • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
      Originally Posted by Joe Stewart View Post

      It certainly has. I'm still waiting for you to make some suggestions. LOL

      I asked someone else for suggestions on a similar topic a couple weeks ago and I'm still waiting on him, too.

      Anyone?
      Hi Joe,

      I'm not going to give you a "biz in a box" type thing,
      but open your eyes so you can direct your attention
      to where you may find opportunities.

      Here's the BIG clue...

      Speak to known buyers.

      Jim Straw made that a foundation to a big chunk of his $500,000,000
      fortune.

      In my paper receipt business, I only speak to buyers of paper receipts.

      This skips 2 big time and money wasters, using marketing that doesn't reach buyers,
      and secondly you now know who are buyers when you are supplying physical products to business owners.

      The second clue is to be targeting durable goods in the fast moving consumables
      to businesses. This means items that are essential in the running of their business.

      You then find trade only manufactures in your country and have them send you customer the products direct.

      One great way to position yourself is being a independent procurement specialist.
      This sets the stage in the buyers mind that you are working in his best interests and will be more likely to give you prices he is already paying. All you gotta do is get the exact specifications and quantities ordered and you are able to see if you can get better pricing and still have good profit for you.

      He pays you for the product and you pay your trade only supplier.
      pocketing the difference.

      Once he comes on board it takes very little time to carry out the transaction.

      A client and friend hears me over Skype taking phone calls of orders coming in.
      He reckons it's under 30 seconds to.take.

      Bigger dollar orders really don't take any longer to take.
      If it's a case or container load, it's all the same if they have ordered the same in the past.
      And they are repeat because it's used every day and consumed, therefore they keep buying from you.

      Get some of these businesses on board and you have a very simple to run business.

      Open your eyes to the physical things around you and see what part of them are needed to make it. Some company supplied that one part to the seller of the whole.

      It could be you.

      Best,
      Ewen
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      • Profile picture of the author Joe Stewart
        Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

        Hi Joe,

        I'm not going to give you a "biz in a box" type thing,
        but open your eyes so you can direct your attention
        to where you may find opportunities.

        Awww...no fair! lol


        Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

        Here's the BIG clue...

        Speak to known buyers.

        Jim Straw made that a foundation to a big chunk of his $500,000,000
        fortune.

        In my paper receipt business, I only speak to buyers of paper receipts.

        This skips 2 big time and money wasters, using marketing that doesn't reach buyers,
        and secondly you now know who are buyers when you are supplying physical products to business owners.

        I already do this.


        Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

        The second clue is to be targeting durable goods in the fast moving consumables to businesses. This means items that are essential in the running of their business.

        This is what I already do. I've been doing this for 16 of the past 21 years either working as an employee or for myself. The issue is being able to pass it on to my family as it only makes money when I make calls or get an occasional call in.

        Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

        You then find trade only manufactures in your country and have them send you customer the products direct.

        I do this, but it's something that must be "handled with care" in this day and age. I'd prefer to drop ship everything, if possible, but many manufacturers are beginning to have minimum order requirements again as they did before the recession. When I first started again a couple years ago there were manufacturers that had no minimum order requirement. I tried to drop ship as much as I could. Now, however, many of them have slapped a minimum order on dealers again. That means that I'd have to turn away smaller orders unless I stock products. Some of these manufacturers want a few thousand dollar order in order to receive end column pricing and pre-paid shipping to my location. That sucks!

        Another danger of the "drop ship only" business model is that the supplier may choose to start doing business with end users some day and cut us completely out. I've seen it happen more than once already since I've come back to the industry I'm in. There were some suppliers that dealt directly with end users, but they'd only do so at list pricing in order not to undercut their dealers. Now some of them have cut out dealers completely, dialed up the end users (dealer customers on file) and told them that they can now buy direct, cut out the middle man and pay less! They SUCK!

        I used to have the buyers name (attn: John, etc) as part of the drop ship address, but not anymore. I don't share any information that's not absolutely necessary.


        Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

        One great way to position yourself is being a independent procurement specialist.

        This sets the stage in the buyers mind that you are working in his best interests and will be more likely to give you prices he is already paying. All you gotta do is get the exact specifications and quantities ordered and you are able to see if you can get better pricing and still have good profit for you.

        He pays you for the product and you pay your trade only supplier.pocketing the difference.

        Once he comes on board it takes very little time to carry out the transaction.

        Bigger dollar orders really don't take any longer to take.

        If it's a case or container load, it's all the same if they have ordered the same in the past.
        And they are repeat because it's used every day and consumed, therefore they keep buying from you.

        I know. That's basically what I do. :-)

        The problem is that my wife won't do it and I'm unsure of the value of the business because it consists almost exclusively on making outbound calls. I'm praying that my youngest son will take an interest in it, but that's a few years away.

        Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

        Get some of these businesses on board and you have a very simple to run business.
        Simple? Yes. But not easy, if done correctly in order to reduce risk while still constantly pouring new customers into the funnel.

        I have customers both large and small, but the industry is unsteady and I've been reluctant to expand my business because of the difficulty and commitment involved. State requirements, commercial facility, office equipment, payroll, sales training, legal stuff, etc. I'm considering it, though. I was listening to Bob Ross' podcast recently and he makes a lot of sense. Still, it's exactly what I wanted to avoid, but it may be the only way to pull this off.

        Side note: I really dislike my wife some days. Notice that I'm not smiling. Pain in the neck woman!

        Also, like most, my market is extremely competitive. It's very big, very broad and there's money out there to be made, but there are also multiple companies that have much more buying power than I do. I get best pricing on most items, but some of these guys are buying in HUGE quantities. That means that although I'm very competitively priced on most items, I've had to really roll up my sleeves, get creative and sell myself in order to draw people away from the big guys. Rebuilding my "tribe", as Seth Godin calls them.

        Even then, keeping them loyal is challenging because the big guys are constantly advertising in major industry related publications, have websites that are firmly entrenched at the top of Google or both.

        I'm leaning toward the online marketing scenario again. I used to do pretty well as an affiliate. There's money to be made there as well, but it can be done much easier than having a regular job that no one in my family wants to do. If I'd been building lists when I was doing well a few years ago I'd have never come back to this industry in the first place. I have a helper that's helping me build the foundation. Hopefully that will start producing consistently in the near future and I'll be able to look at things a bit differently.

        Anyway, thanks for your reply.

        Best,

        Joe
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        • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
          Joe, does this mean..."almost exclusively on making outbound calls"
          you have to even make calls to customers after they've made the first purchase
          in order to buy again?

          Best,
          Ewen
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          • Profile picture of the author Joe Stewart
            Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

            Joe, does this mean..."almost exclusively on making outbound calls"
            you have to even make calls to customers after they've made the first purchase
            in order to buy again?

            Best,
            Ewen

            In most cases, yes. I know, I know. I have created a glorified "job" that just happens to be set-up as a business. Some people call me when they need something, but a lot of times I'll hear stuff like "I'm so glad you called! I need this and this asap!" I'll then ask why they didn't just call me and they'll say "oh, I knew you'd be calling again soon" or "I knew you'd call eventually".

            Crazy! Yes, I have a toll free number. Some people are just trained that way.

            As I mentioned before, it makes sense to expand on it and leverage the efforts of others, but I've struggled with the thought of that. Besides the other issues I addressed, I'm also partially disabled and get slapped upside the head with deep depression when I least expect it. The sun can be shining, birds chirping, everything can be going great and all of the sudden the lights go dim and I'm screwed. For years that's been my biggest challenge. I'm not asking for pity, just stating a fact. It's very, very frustrating.

            That's why I get so aggravated at my wife because I feel like she could at least hold things together for us when that happens if I expanded the business, but she doesn't want to do it.

            I've thought about taking on a business partner, but I can see potential headaches arising from that. Everyone I've seen do it in my industry has split at some point and a few have ended up in court, including me. I won, of course. :-)

            Anyway, and your point was? Sorry for getting off track a bit. lol
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            • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
              Originally Posted by Joe Stewart View Post


              Anyway, and your point was?
              Finding out if it is the nature of your market or you've trained them to be that way.

              I never call on my customers for orders,
              they call me.

              I really don't know what the answer is for you.

              Ultimately you may want to look at another market with another product and set of customers, where the trade only suppliers don't cut out their distributors.

              That type of action is not a market I'd want to be in.

              Best,
              Ewen
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              • Profile picture of the author Joe Stewart
                Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

                Finding out if it is the nature of your market or you've trained them to be that way.
                Actually, it's not necessarily the "nature" of the market. I just use the phone because it's much cheaper than trying to advertise in publications. I also don't have an ecommerce site set-up and don't know that I ever will. Huge number of products = huge headaches.

                Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

                I never call on my customers for orders, they call me.

                I really don't know what the answer is for you.

                Ultimately you may want to look at another market with another product and set of customers, where the trade only suppliers don't cut out their distributors.

                That type of action is not a market I'd want to be in.

                Best,
                Ewen
                Me either, but it's paying the bills for now. If I could get a sales force going I could create a monster amount of buyers and leads in a fairly reasonable amount of time. That would lead to much higher annual sales revenues and with those things in place it would be much more valuable.

                As it is I've had to start stocking inventory that must be paid for every 30 days as well. No pressure...

                Yeah, right.

                Thanks Ewen. I'll definitely be keeping an eye open.


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                • Profile picture of the author ewenmack
                  Originally Posted by Joe Stewart View Post

                  Actually, it's not necessarily the "nature" of the market. I just use the phone because it's much cheaper than trying to advertise in publications. I also don't have an ecommerce site set-up and don't know that I ever will. Huge number of


                  Joe
                  I don't advertise offline or online either,
                  just cold phone, email or walk in to bring in new
                  business. Then they phone or email their orders
                  and stay with me.

                  Best,
                  Ewen
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                  • Profile picture of the author Joe Stewart
                    Originally Posted by ewenmack View Post

                    I don't advertise offline or online either,
                    just cold phone, email or walk in to bring in new
                    business. Then they phone or email their orders
                    and stay with me.

                    Best,
                    Ewen

                    I think that much of my challenges stem from the market I'm in. It's not thriving as well as it was a decade ago, yet new businesses have sprung up left and right. Also, many companies began advertising online, which seems to be the wave of the future for some people.

                    The biggest reason I chose this niche again is because of my extensive history with both customers and suppliers. It was super easy to get up and running again. Still, it's not something I want to do long term.

                    The long term customers that I have are mostly business owners, some even second generation. There's some stability with these guys/gals. On the other hand, there are other companies where the owner delegates purchasing to an employee and a long term relationship can die practically overnight if the person I have a good relationship with leaves. That hurts. Sometimes I can save the account and sometimes a lot of hard work goes down the tubes. Oh well.

                    I'd be very interested in hearing what you say to these people. You've got me curious how you've built a business that you could pass down to your family doing this.
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                      Originally Posted by Joe Stewart View Post

                      I think that much of my challenges stem from the market I'm in. It's not thriving as well as it was a decade ago, yet new businesses have sprung up left and right. Also, many companies began advertising online, which seems to be the wave of the future for some people.

                      The biggest reason I chose this niche again is because of my extensive history with both customers and suppliers. It was super easy to get up and running again. Still, it's not something I want to do long term.

                      The long term customers that I have are mostly business owners, some even second generation. There's some stability with these guys/gals. On the other hand, there are other companies where the owner delegates purchasing to an employee and a long term relationship can die practically overnight if the person I have a good relationship with leaves. That hurts. Sometimes I can save the account and sometimes a lot of hard work goes down the tubes. Oh well.

                      I'd be very interested in hearing what you say to these people. You've got me curious how you've built a business that you could pass down to your family doing this.
                      Joe I suspect it's the nature of your market more so than what you can control
                      within a market.

                      I'm fortunate to not have the 2 manufacturers not going after distributors
                      customers or prospects.

                      One very large account I went for I couldn't get and passed on to them.
                      They couldn't get it either.

                      In your country, they have master distributors who supply distributors.
                      So it's a very clear divide.

                      I had a client who isn't quite ready to retire lose all his referral sources
                      because they had all retired. So he has to create new relationships with
                      the new generation. Fortunate he has very specialized skills which are still in demand.

                      Best,
                      Ewen
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  • As a parent, it's something I wish I could do. I'd rest easier knowing my daughter is provided for. And it is nice to imagine the business I built becoming bigger than I ever imagined.

    But, also as a parent, I also know I have to let her figure out by herself what she wants to do. She may want to do something else completely and she could be really good at it. Who am I tell her what she should do with her life?

    Well, she's only 4 so I have a few more years to think about it.
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      Originally Posted by John Jonas Phil VA View Post

      As a parent, it's something I wish I could do. I'd rest easier knowing my daughter is provided for. And it is nice to imagine the business I built becoming bigger than I ever imagined.

      But, also as a parent, I also know I have to let her figure out by herself what she wants to do. She may want to do something else completely and she could be really good at it. Who am I tell her what she should do with her life?

      Well, she's only 4 so I have a few more years to think about it.

      I agree wholeheartedly. Still, even if they didn't want to run the business, it would be nice to be able to pass down an asset that they could sell.
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