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If You Think You "Know Better"...

by Jason Kanigan
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...take it to another thread of your very own.

Don't come into a thread that is talking about a method and getting discussion...

and then say, "I don't like this, it's stupid; people who do it this way are stupid and they should learn something else."

And then, without even offering an alternative, run off.

I see this behavior far too often.

It reflects so poorly on the people who do it.

If you think you have a better way of doing something, start your own thread and share your own ideas there.

Don't go slag something in another thread and dance off without offering a single thing of value in return.

It's pointless and immature.
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  • Profile picture of the author Recruitment Nick
    I'm sorry, what?

    Now the example you gave, yep, adds nothing. But

    "If you think you have a better way of doing something, start your own thread and share your own ideas there."

    Come on now, a discussion on techniques, especially one that may be a better method than the one specified, is not allowed (by your rules here) on a thread?

    Following that logic, any time you have something to add other than simply agreeing with (or backing up) what has been said, a new thread has to be started?

    I'm sure that isn't what you meant, but look at that bolded line again - it's certainly how it reads to me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
      Originally Posted by Recruitment Nick View Post

      I'm sorry, what?

      Now the example you gave, yep, adds nothing. But

      "If you think you have a better way of doing something, start your own thread and share your own ideas there."

      Come on now, a discussion on techniques, especially one that may be a better method than the one specified, is not allowed (by your rules here) on a thread?

      Following that logic, any time you have something to add other than simply agreeing with (or backing up) what has been said, a new thread has to be started?

      I'm sure that isn't what you meant, but look at that bolded line again - it's certainly how it reads to me.
      Say someone shares an email prospecting method that is working for them.

      And several other people offer adjustments or support for the idea.

      Then someone else comes in and says, "Email marketing is stupid! That's just a dumb idea! No way to build a business."

      What has this person done?

      That's what I'm talking about. Makes sense now?
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  • Profile picture of the author Recruitment Nick
    Fair enough, I can certainly agree with that. It's just your emphasised line sounds a lot like any disagreement with a method must be

    a) started in it's own thread
    b) backed up with another method

    Now there are plenty of methods, and plenty of spins you can put on them. But a certain amount of healthy scepticsm (as opposed to "this is crap" type posts) is healthy, and drilling down into methods to see if they withstand scrutiny (rather than just being a thought experiement), is a good idea imo.

    I guess I found your emphasised line to be too low a tolerance.

    However I think we can both agree that your examples would add nothing to the board as posts.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
      Originally Posted by Recruitment Nick View Post

      Fair enough, I can certainly agree with that. It's just your emphasised line sounds a lot like any disagreement with a method must be

      a) started in it's own thread
      b) backed up with another method

      Now there are plenty of methods, and plenty of spins you can put on them. But a certain amount of healthy scepticsm (as opposed to "this is crap" type posts) is healthy, and drilling down into methods to see if they withstand scrutiny (rather than just being a thought experiement), is a good idea imo.

      I guess I found your emphasised line to be too low a tolerance.

      However I think we can both agree that your examples would add nothing to the board as posts.
      Spin is fine, adjustment is fine, discussion of finer points and actual individual results is fine.

      But coming into a thread and saying, "This is F*ing stupid and anyone still doing it must be living in a cave by firelight and choking from smoke inhalation; I don't even know how you got into this forum because electricity and an internet connection is lightyears ahead of the stage of development you're at, buddy"...

      or equivalent...what's the point.

      If you think you have a more effective way of accomplishing something, don't go into an existing thread and slag the method described there and then run off. Start your own thread and share your own method.

      How 'bout that?
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      • Profile picture of the author Ron Lafuddy
        Jason,

        You've posted a ton of helpful and useful information here and in other WF forums.
        That means your threads are going to get views.

        Thus, ninnies and whiners who are also looking for post count and sig views are going to target your threads.

        It's all about getting their sig line seen for these "robo-posters".

        Their "challenges" aren't really challenges. Ignore 'em. They are bumping your threads and that's a good thing.

        Keep providing great content. You're making a difference here.

        When you provide great content, you don't have to start or hang out in "drama threads" to get your sig line viewed.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
          Originally Posted by Ron Lafuddy View Post

          Jason,

          You've posted a ton of helpful and useful information here and in other WF forums.
          That means your threads are going to get views.

          Thus, ninies and whiners who are also looking for post count and sig views are going to target your threads.

          It's all about getting their sig line seen for these "robo-posters".

          Their "challenges" aren't really challenges. Ignore 'em. They are bumping your threads and that's a good thing.

          Keep providing great content. You're making a difference here.

          When you provide great content, you don't have to start or hang out in "drama threads" to get your sig line viewed.
          Thanks Ron...it's not just my posts though. I see this frequently enough.

          What if a newbie is rolling along, learning and about to take action, and then they get stopped cold by a negative post?

          Now it may not be my responsibility to ensure that this newbie takes action, and it's kind of stupid for me to tie my emotions to something I cannot control, and my fear may be unwarranted. Maybe the newbie can tell the difference between a garbage post and one of value...but I'm not sure. Everything looks of equal value when you're new somewhere, doesn't it?

          And one negative jolt CAN stop you from taking action, can't it? It's that lizard brain again.
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          • Profile picture of the author Keepcalm
            Jason

            You have a point, as a newbie myself reading through the threads, trying to learn. There have been occasions when I thought I had a plan of what I was going to do then I see a warrior say it does not work or something along those lines, and it does make you think you should look at something else, as they must know better.

            Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

            Thanks Ron...it's not just my posts though. I see this frequently enough.

            What if a newbie is rolling along, learning and about to take action, and then they get stopped cold by a negative post?

            Now it may not be my responsibility to ensure that this newbie takes action, and it's kind of stupid for me to tie my emotions to something I cannot control, and my fear may be unwarranted. Maybe the newbie can tell the difference between a garbage post and one of value...but I'm not sure. Everything looks of equal value when you're new somewhere, doesn't it?

            And one negative jolt CAN stop you from taking action, can't it? It's that lizard brain again.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by Jason Kanigan View Post

        If you think you have a more effective way of accomplishing something, don't go into an existing thread and slag the method described there and then run off. Start your own thread and share your own method.

        How 'bout that?
        Jason; To me, it isn't about saying something won't work. It's saying something won't work...without ever trying it...and presenting that as fact.

        What I love are the threads, sharing a tested and proven idea...that the OP is doing right now....and then people coming along, saying that it won't work.

        Have you ever read Youtube video comments? That's the kind of person that is attracted to comment on Forums. Not everyone here is like that, but we have more than our fair share.

        And I'm still jealous that you have a website dedicated to hating you...and I don't.

        My goal in life is to have two hate sites, dedicated to me. Then I'll know I've made it.
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    You mean like this?

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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    I say that if you want to teach a method without being interrupted, then write it in a report or a class or something, or have a private discussion thread just for that topic. I think the WF use to offer those.

    If you are in a public area of a forum, it's about people expressing their thoughts on subjects, and the dialogue is generally accepted to be open, aside from being harmful to a "person".

    Outside of the business world they might say "Get a room!"

    I do think that staying on topic is good for the forum in general, but nothing wrong with expressing your opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Regal
    I also disagree with the negativity going around these threads. Its a shame people need to see other people whom don`t agree or understand that warriors are only trying to help.
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