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Making a living doing freelancer web design work?

by bsurb
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Iv been creating websites for about 6-7 years now and I have finally got very comfortable with Wordpress and I know the basics about pretty much everything else. I'm currently enrolled in college for public relations and was hoping to move on as a music publicist. I spend LOTS of time on the computer. Too much my dad says but I love it.....

So I was thinking about maybe trying to make a living out of creating websites for local companies and as well as companies across the globe. Lately I have found some success by building simple websites for local businesses for $500 a pop. If I have the right business name/advertise the right way I don't see a problem trying to do this for a living... I understand the risks of not having guaranteed work every day but working from home as your own boss is the way to go.

Iv been thinking about switching my degree to Web Design if I transfer to the university of Florida.

What do you think? Can you make a living out of freelancing for local businesses? Or working for a local web design company....?
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  • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
    absolutely you can make a decent living as a freelance web designer and I think especially if you can create responsive websites - since you are already having success marketing offline at $500 a pop - stick to that and build on that - remember you would have less competition in your local market than you would have online but advertise both online and offline for maximum exposure.

    When you start to take on more work than you can handle - hire some help

    good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author Lizfish
    Totally. Why not register with peopleperhour.com to generate more business? It is a good site to use. Best of luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author JBilbao
    I would sell "turnkey websites", if I were you. Google.." Premium Wordpress Themes, Demo Content". There are companies like WpZoom, that sell their themes, with all of the demo content on it. The content functions as a space holder for your client's content, whatever that may be. You can install these websites on your server, with all of the "demo content" and give your clients a good idea of how their websites are going to look. You explain to them, that they can buy the website as is, for...$75, and all they would have to do is replace the demo content / place holders with their own content. Provide them with a video tutorial and pdf manual on how to configure their new website.

    Why the heck would you sell a website for $75? You're going to sell them like pancakes. A website that would normally cost $800+..They're getting it for $75-$95. All they do is install it on their server, using a plugin like Backup Buddy, that you provide, with the package. Either they can install it themselves ( easier for you ..) , or you can do it, it takes 3 minutes. If they want you to handle the content, populating their new website with their content, that's extra. Charge more. You can sell, 5, 10, wordpress websites like this a day and you'll be making $400-900+ daily, without having to design websites from scratch.

    The money is in the volume, the high amount of sales you're going to get, due to the low price, yet high value of the product. Low maintenance..They install it or you do it, fast and easy.
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  • Profile picture of the author MelanieandMiles
    ABSOLUTELY!

    Being a service provider is the easiest way to become an entrepreneur and to make money without a job. This would offer you a level of lifestyle freedom that few college students will ever realize in their post-college lives.

    We started building our businesses in a very similar way and with what we learned, we built a few websites for ourselves that are now creating WAY more cashflow than making sites for people... It was a natural progression and WordPress really is/was the 'trick' for us. (plus a solid theme family and learning the basics of server administration).

    So in addition to 'HELL YEA!' and reaffirming your idea, one additional note... Every website you build gets hosted somewhere. Learn to manage your own VPS/Dedicated server or even just the basics with a re-seller account and stacking up hosting clients as you make sites can create some awesome residual income that further adds to the 'lifestyle freedom' bit.

    We both just finished college about 7 years ago and now, and 'quit' my last job 5 years ago.... Now, while most our college friends are slaves to commutes and jobs they hate (and reproducing like rabbits), we travel the world, work from our laptops, wake up when we want, work on projects that are FUN...

    ...And, neither of us studied design, development or programming in college! Totally self taught.
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    • Profile picture of the author Karen Blundell
      Originally Posted by MelanieandMiles View Post

      ABSOLUTELY!

      Being a service provider is the easiest way to become an entrepreneur and to make money without a job. This would offer you a level of lifestyle freedom that few college students will ever realize in their post-college lives.

      (gentle snip)
      ...And, neither of us studied design, development or programming in college! Totally self taught.
      I am self-taught as well - quit a cushy Government unionized job for freedom and have never looked back.

      I continue to be a service provider part-time while working on other projects -
      Besides my own experience, other freelance service providers that I know of always seem to be able to make decent money as long as they are willing to submit proposals, bid on work, and all that good stuff.
      The thing is if you do it long enough and well, you end up with "regular" clients, and ongoing revenue - and that is sweet.
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  • Profile picture of the author carlo_sim
    Yup! That's a very good idea.

    Help your clients and give the best customer
    service.

    Always sell quality designs and be there every step
    of the way. Your website sales will be your frontend
    product. Upsell them with other services afterwards.
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  • Profile picture of the author bsurb
    Because I know the internet will only get bigger and bigger as time passes.

    Am I charging too less for a responsive website? For a normal business page using wordpress/premium theme Iv been charging about $500. EVERY client I get I have them sign up for HostGator so I make a $50-$100 commission every single client....

    Do I need or should I create a whole different business name for web design services? Example; I run a side business here locally where I create vinyl stickers and signs for businesses. Called Surber Signs. Would it be necessary to branch the web design services off of that or should I create an entirely differenet website/business name for it?

    And the cons to making a living doing freelancing is that there is no retirement :/ lol
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    • Profile picture of the author origin
      And the cons to making a living doing freelancing is that there is no retirement :/ lol
      In stead of passing them onto hostgator and getting one time commission, get a reseller account with hostgator and sell hosting to your clients that renew. months that you do not have web design biz coming in, you can live on the hosting renewals. you are leaving LOTS of money on the table by just passing them onto hostgator.

      The average business has lifespan of 5 years. That is extra $100 per year per website over the next 5 years vs $100 commission once off.

      if you build up a sizeable hosting portfolio, you can sell that to someone else and "retire" one day.
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        In stead of passing them onto hostgator and getting one time commission, get a reseller account with hostgator and sell hosting to your clients that renew. months that you do not have web design biz coming in, you can live on the hosting renewals. you are leaving LOTS of money on the table by just passing them onto hostgator.

        The average business has lifespan of 5 years. That is extra $100 per year per website over the next 5 years vs $100 commission once off.

        if you build up a sizeable hosting portfolio, you can sell that to someone else and "retire" one day.
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  • Profile picture of the author bsurb
    Ahh ok.. Never even thought about that. I have 20 some referrals with host gator Im going to find out more info on this re sellers account..
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    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
      Originally Posted by bsurb View Post

      Because I know the internet will only get bigger and bigger as time passes.

      Am I charging too less for a responsive website? For a normal business page using wordpress/premium theme Iv been charging about $500. EVERY client I get I have them sign up for HostGator so I make a $50-$100 commission every single client....

      Do I need or should I create a whole different business name for web design services? Example; I run a side business here locally where I create vinyl stickers and signs for businesses. Called Surber Signs. Would it be necessary to branch the web design services off of that or should I create an entirely differenet website/business name for it?

      And the cons to making a living doing freelancing is that there is no retirement :/ lol
      Well, I charge $50/mo for hosting and maintenance that includes unlimited content changes, addition of pics into their gallery, etc. So compare $50 per commission to $600/yr.

      I think you can certainly charge more. My cheapest is $1,489 which allows me to get in a bit through inbound marketing, but also allows me to convert some leads that were on the fence or just can't afford it by knocking a little bit off the price if things are slow.

      For your name... maybe you should change it to Surber Designs, that covers websites, and signs/stickers/etc.

      As for the cons... Retirement isn't exactly an issue, you can still put money into an IRA. While the limit is pretty low for higher incomes, you can set up a traditional AND roth IRA... as well as your own investment accounts that you can keep semi-liquid. For freelancers, and small business owners, retirement is still very available, but the forms of investing are usually different.

      The real cons are lack of ability to replicate and replace yourself. The pressure that comes with knowing you are fully responsible for how well you do, but also how bad you do.

      My advice... save as much as you can and go for it.... always have an emergency fund. If I didn't at a few points I would have been completely screwed. It has saved my ass time and time again... and not just when I first started either.
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  • Profile picture of the author bsurb
    Thanks for the advice. Just my luck, my name would be taken lol... Surberdesigns is already a site. But I will go with my old name FYP Media. Fly. Young. Professional.

    When you say you charge $50/month for hosting/maintenance, is that with you having a resellers account?

    Why should I get a resellers account with HostGator rather than just have them sign up on their own and I get $50 commission?

    Does anybody see any of these themes working for a web design company?

    http://themeforest.net/item/swag-one...BeantownThemes

    http://themeforest.net/item/inka-ret...review/7698015

    http://hipsterwprev.beantownthemes.com/

    http://themeforest.net/item/colored-...review/5058080
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    • Profile picture of the author animal44
      Originally Posted by bsurb View Post

      When you say you charge $50/month for hosting/maintenance, is that with you having a resellers account?
      What do you think will happen to your reputation when the business owner finds out he can have the hosting for $7 per month...?

      $500 for a website is bottom end, with loads of competition. You'll probably not rank for any terms, even locally, without some decent SEO skills.
      The time to make a template and sell it, IMHO, would not be worthwhile.
      Focus on the value, not the product.
      How much do you think a website that is already ranked and bringing in sales or good quality leads, is worth? What about if there was a business plan included? And an idiots guide to running it?
      Would it be so worthwhile that you could retain the site and sell the leads, or rent the site, thus have an ongoing income forever more?
      Or would it be worthwhile selling the site for a lump sum? Consider that some people will mortgage their home for 30 years or more to buy a business and maybe you can see how much value there is in this concept?
      How much extra effort would it be to learn some quality SEO skills, so you can rank the site? The copy-writing to ensure the leads are quality? Then sell the whole shebang as a business?
      When I was doing this a few years ago, our average sale price was £50k ($75k) and I assure you that there wasn't 150 times the work involved. Indeed, once you've done one, the rest become progressively easier.

      I would add, that that's not even the easiest way to make money. Still too much work... Ever read Tom Sawyer? He got his friends to pay him to allow them to paint a fence while he lazed around... That's the best way to make money :-) Go read the story... It'll be an inspiration...
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      • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
        Originally Posted by animal44 View Post

        What do you think will happen to your reputation when the business owner finds out he can have the hosting for $7 per month...?
        Absolutely nothing... they may wonder why it's so cheap and assume the quality is lower.

        However, many business owners would rather pay $50/mo knowing that they don't have to be on hold for 45 minutes just to speak to someone in India whenever there is an issue. They also would rather pay that amount knowing they can have textual changes and pictures added to their galleries without paying for a minimum 3 hour block for $100/hr like many web design companies charge.

        Cheaper, isn't right for everyone.
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        • Profile picture of the author animal44
          Originally Posted by bsurb View Post

          So you're saying build a website up, get it ranked and then sell?
          The trick is getting lots of targeted visitors to see a compelling message that makes them choose the business over any other. I doubt you can do this for $500. Good copy would cost you more than $500 (and is worth more). A website is only of value to the business owner if it brings in customers.
          We've had plenty of prospects who state categorically that they don't want a website because they see no value. They've been sold cheap websites in the past. We got around this by building and ranking sites, so they sample what they're getting in advance.
          BTW I haven't built any websites since 2011/2012. There are better and easier ways of making money by providing value for local businesses.
          Originally Posted by bsurb View Post

          If so, what about businesses who don't have a site who need one made
          Same thing. What's it worth to them. Example, if you build a site, with top class copy for say cosmetic surgery. Customer value is high, lets say 1000 per sale. Getting 30 people to buy per month, you're generating 360,000 pa. Don't you think the business owner would pay 30/40/50,000 for such a site? Especially if it's already ranked and he can sample the leads. The trick is to get the client to see the value and base your price on that. You're unlikely to get 50k for a website for a thrift shop... :-)
          It's far easier and better to get one client to pay 50K than 100 clients to pay 500.
          A website that is not bringing in customers is worthless to a business owner.
          Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

          Absolutely nothing... they may wonder why it's so cheap and assume the quality is lower.
          Not been my experience. Business owners have been exposed to this for a while now and are wiseing up. I've lost count of the hosting and other stuff we've picked up from people who have been "given" websites for the expensive hosting fee. We charge £48 pa for hosting on our own server. Not shared with thousands like typical hostgater reseller.
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          • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
            Originally Posted by animal44 View Post

            Not been my experience. Business owners have been exposed to this for a while now and are wiseing up. I've lost count of the hosting and other stuff we've picked up from people who have been "given" websites for the expensive hosting fee. We charge £48 pa for hosting on our own server. Not shared with thousands like typical hostgater reseller.
            I guess you ignored the rest. Nobody cares who they're hosted with, they care about other things... if it is a struggling business, or someone who is cheap, then yeah they might want cheaper prices. That's perfectly fine but there's a reason why many established businesses do not go after the cheapest prices. They want reliability, they want ease of use, etc.

            They don't have time to be on hold to be transferred to tier 1, then tier 2, then finally tier 3 support levels. They don't want to speak with someone who has broken english. They don't want to make their own changes to the website. They don't want to deal with compatibility issues with php upgrades.

            $50/mo is extremely reasonable.... you don't just offer hosting... you offer solutions.
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            • Profile picture of the author animal44
              Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

              I guess you ignored the rest.
              No, I covered it by saying look at the value.

              Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

              They don't want to make their own changes to the website.
              Changes to the copy are not part of hosting (or shouldn't be). Web designers charge for changes to copy to discourage constant change requests that eat up chargeable time. Most web designers will not make a charge for the occasional minor change, only when they become frequent requests.
              Originally Posted by iAmNameLess View Post

              you don't just offer hosting... you offer solutions.
              And what is the solution you offer? $7 hosting for $50? Do you have the technical knowledge to fix the problems? Are you fixing the problems faster than someone on $7 hosting? Where is the true value for the client?

              You're simply adding another layer which doesn't add anything to the value. And charging a premium for that...
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              • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
                Originally Posted by animal44 View Post


                And what is the solution you offer? $7 hosting for $50? Do you have the technical knowledge to fix the problems? Are you fixing the problems faster than someone on $7 hosting? Where is the true value for the client?

                You're simply adding another layer which doesn't add anything to the value. And charging a premium for that...
                LOL... I have the technical knowledge to not only fix problems but cause problems on any network in the world, but that's not the point. Am I fixing problems faster than someone on $7 hosting? Absolutely yes. Where is the true value to the client? Like I said, I charge $50/mo for hosting/maintenance... includes unlimited content changes, photo additions into a gallery or whatever, database backups, image backups, constant upgrades for security purposes.

                I don't offer "hosting". Someone who had a website built through another company can't pay me to host their website... I'm not in the hosting business.

                Sounds to me you're just upset that people are out there charging more than you. I get customers that not only have us develop their website or handle marketing, but they previously paid for 5 years, for a host in advance, and switched with no problem because I solve a problem or realize a pain point they've had when dealing with them.

                I want to work with successful businesses. The businesses I work with pay $1,500/mo on power, $1,000/mo on internet and phone lines, $5,000+ for their lease. Do you think that they're going to care if someone charges $50/mo to save them time, money in the long run, and to ensure that a cornerstone of their online marketing continues to run with no problems? You don't see the value in that? If a business owner doesn't see the value in it, then they probably aren't at the level they need to be in order to utilize my services.

                When you target business owners who have more time than money, then you have a problem. You want people who have more money than time. Time is the premium.... $50/mo is not.
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    • Profile picture of the author iAmNameLess
      Originally Posted by bsurb View Post


      When you say you charge $50/month for hosting/maintenance, is that with you having a resellers account?

      Why should I get a resellers account with HostGator rather than just have them sign up on their own and I get $50 commission?
      You can use a reseller, a VPS, a dedicated, it doesn't really matter.

      You can have them sign up with hostgator and get the $50 commission. I will do that if they insist on controlling their own host, but ideally you want people hosting with you, paying YOU not just one time but forever.
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  • Profile picture of the author bsurb
    So you're saying build a website up, get it ranked and then sell? If so, what about businesses who don't have a site who need one made
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  • Profile picture of the author bsurb
    So if I want them paying me forever under MY host, I should get me a resellers account then?? Am I understanding this correctly?
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  • Profile picture of the author ozlizard
    I charge $595 for a HTML website (hate WP!) and $30 per month for hosting/support/updates.
    I use a modular template than I can easily adapt to any site.

    It's hard getting local clients though.....
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  • Profile picture of the author piney94
    Bsurb -

    Have you planned on how you are going to get clients?

    While there are many tricks of the trade, I've found that in-person (for me anyway) works best. I give the owner my business card and a brochure that describes my services. This works especially well with new businesses. For example, I just sold a full package to a nail salon that is still renovating before their opening (website, mobile and FB).

    You have to do your homework about a business's website before you go in. I typically bring my iPad with me and show them a mock-up.

    Best of luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author bsurb
    So far the local clients I received was from a friends referral and a couple musicians. I was going to try and search craiglist for people who are posting their business as well.

    So if I set up a custom Wordpress site with a premium theme, is $500 too low?

    If I get them to sign up for HostGator and I get a $50 commission I will keep their info handy if they want me to manage their hosting per month.

    I run SEVERAL websites and it kind of gets annoying using another name for each time I start something.... IE: Surber Signs is my signs company here locally, couldn't I just call it Surber Signs & Web Design? Or make more sense to start a whole new name for web design ONLY?

    Since I already have rep for my signs business, maybe I can just add on to my current business??
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      bsurb,

      If you already have a business in place use that name. Just because you are adding an addition service does not mean you have to change your name. I personally operate under a name that has nothing to do with web design, or sign making or printing or any of that. What IS important is that you are consistent with the name and image the you present. This would be called "BRANDING"

      If you already have a webpage for your sign biz just add a web design page and go from there. tag the sites that you make. web design by: Surber Signs

      Originally Posted by bsurb View Post

      So far the local clients I received was from a friends referral and a couple musicians. I was going to try and search craiglist for people who are posting their business as well.

      So if I set up a custom Wordpress site with a premium theme, is $500 too low?

      If I get them to sign up for HostGator and I get a $50 commission I will keep their info handy if they want me to manage their hosting per month.

      I run SEVERAL websites and it kind of gets annoying using another name for each time I start something.... IE: Surber Signs is my signs company here locally, couldn't I just call it Surber Signs & Web Design? Or make more sense to start a whole new name for web design ONLY?

      Since I already have rep for my signs business, maybe I can just add on to my current business??
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    If I get them to sign up for HostGator and I get a $50 commission I will keep their info handy if they want me to manage their hosting per month.
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  • Profile picture of the author bsurb
    Savidge, very good points! Thank you much. And as far as the hosting that's what I may just do. That way if they don't renew their hosting or want to continue with their website I wouldn't be responsible for their membership.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Look at iamnameless and his post #25: He's got it exactly right. You want to be able to do work you love yes, but you also have to feed yourself and ENJOY YOUR LIFE. That's pretty hard to do when you're on the computer at all hours (I've done this, and had my own web agency from 2001-2006). First, consider the type of client you want. Do you really want "cheap" clients or do you want successful business owners? Don't lessen your skills and price just to get gigs, that will leave you with clients that are more trouble than they are worth. And as far as hosting goes: like Nameless said: provide solutions beyond just "hosting a site." Find the client's pain points and help fix them. Not only can you charge more and be more full-service, you'll generally have clients that will be long-term AND you'll actually have a relationship with them, rather than just them seeing you as an easily replaceable cog in their wheel.
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  • Profile picture of the author bsurb
    I love what I do. I spend lots of time online making websites all the time.

    The confusion I am having is to either get resellers hosting with HostGator or continue to get them to sign up under my affiliate name. I have over 30 affiliate credits on my account. But only a hand full over the past few years are active....
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      do the math. 30 affiliate credits is $1500 total. you have a handful say 5 current active accounts. at $50 a month you are talking about bringing in $250 every month.

      In 6 months time you will have equaled what took you years to make. If you start developing more sites and have 10 active sites in your stables.... that's $500 a MONTH. the same money you are charging to build a site right now.

      I really don't understand why you are arguing the point. for YOU this is a no brainer... try and get them to host through you. Even if you were to charge $25 a month.. you are still WAY ahead of the game.

      The part of all of this that has not been mentioned. Lets consider the long term relationship you will be building with your clients. If they have another site they want build were are they gonna go? If they decide they want to upgrade the site they have where are they going to go?

      I think the term for this becomes customer retention.

      Originally Posted by bsurb View Post

      I love what I do. I spend lots of time online making websites all the time.

      The confusion I am having is to either get resellers hosting with HostGator or continue to get them to sign up under my affiliate name. I have over 30 affiliate credits on my account. But only a hand full over the past few years are active....
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Newman
    You can definitely make a living freelancing for local businesses!

    You can also sell them other services in addition to web design. You could host their site, charge for changes to their site, reputation management, SEO, pay per click, email marketing, etc.

    Look for ways to generate recurring revenue from each of your clients.

    Upsell, upsell, upsell
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  • Profile picture of the author Joshua Young
    I agree with iAmNameLess. My min charge for hosting and maintenance is $59.95/month. I do offer some packages that are 3 times that. My clients have peace of mind knowing they can call, email, and/or text me with a change or issue and I handle it immediately without them having to figure out anything technical. But be careful and don’t let them wear you out lol.

    Even my "cheap" clients never want to pay for hosting themselves and be left alone to "deal" with it. The cheapest I have sold a website for is $595. I did that for a friend and the referrals are still coming in from that deal. The same site would now be sold for $2k...

    Getting clients locally for me has always been easy. After getting a couple of clients the referrals starting coming in... I make more money writing content and doing SEO work for businesses and just build sites on the side. My website clients are within a 3 hour radius of my home town, but my writing and SEO clients are nationwide.

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author bradhog
    I think you should first see that if you are getting the work regularly to do from home. Otherwise you will have to change the job later on. Till then you should continue your job and side by side do the website business. The time when you will start getting regular work then you should completely do the work from home and you will be having a minmum amount of recurring revenue in your pocket.
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  • Profile picture of the author goldenphoenix890
    Absolutely,you can!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Amanda786
    Hi
    I think that's a great idea you are already working in design field and you have experience in this field. Degree in web design would be great idea.
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  • Profile picture of the author bsurb
    Its not really the design part I'm good at because I don't do much designing. I just make money getting people signed up for hosting and then I create their website via Wordpress, do a little customizing and its a few hundred bucks in my pocket. I don't do much coding or anything technical.... I usually hire people to do it for me at a low cost.
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  • Profile picture of the author swilliams09
    I wouldn't change my major. Also charge a decent wage. Use multiple sources and even multiple websites/names for different markets. One name for online, one for offline ,all under your company umbrella. That way you can play with different prices without pissing off customers. Here's a tip, find out if you can get a list of local businesses who just applied or received their business licenses. If you can it's a great way to catch people who are starting up a business and still need a website. Also go to chamber of commerce meetings and local business mixers. Offline is about who you know and who knows you. Good luck.

    Oh True story. I created a huge video project for a major US auto manufacturer that ran about 20k. They wanted parts of it on their website so I went to their site to check it out. I asked their marketing guy how much they paid for their site. They paid 10k for the development and 1k a month for updates and maintenance. It was an elegant themes wordpress theme. I couldn't believe it.
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  • Profile picture of the author bsurb
    If its a larger company I'm going to start charging more. For small local businesses ill see if I can keep it around $600 or so.

    But soon I'm going to consider using Host Gators reselling hosting so I can charge maintenance fees monthly. I have to get my business website down and ready first. I am probably going to stick with Surber Signs and add Web Design to the end. I'm known for one service here locally and instead of creating several business names I can stick to one main one
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    • Profile picture of the author ewikk055
      Tons of competition, though there are ways to branch out and snag that local business.


      Oh, and if you know how to do SEO well...there's a nice chunk of keywords to be ranked for in this field...that really aren't competitive believe it or not.
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  • Profile picture of the author bsurb
    What are some examples of those keywords?

    I was thinking about just charging for SEO, but having someone do it at a low price.... That way I just forward the work and get paid.
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