Local Locksmith service looking for HELP

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Hello Yo'all !

i am a locksmith in Houston ,Texas . working for almost 2 years now as a sub contractor for the largest companies in my area ...

i am in first stages of establishing my own business,brand,company ...website ....;eads etc .

so i can do the REAL money in this extremely competitive industry after a LOT of researching people have recommended me to check out the #1 forum for SEO ...Warrior Forum !

so here i am asking for help,recommendations and even offers for anybody that think or know that he would be the man for this job...

PM me or reply to this thread and please let me know if you are the "Magician" that can make it happened ...


i wanted to mention that i have purchased 2 domains .

1st will be for my own brand name that will be pure organic and legit (white hat)

and the 2nd one will be for the more ...darker side of SEO and internet ...

any input will be appreciated !!!
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  • Profile picture of the author savidge4
    Originally Posted by djleon111 View Post

    Hello Yo'all !

    i am a locksmith in Houston ,Texas . working for almost 2 years now as a sub contractor for the largest companies in my area ...

    i am in first stages of establishing my own business,brand,company ...website ....;eads etc .

    so i can do the REAL money in this extremely competitive industry after a LOT of researching people have recommended me to check out the #1 forum for SEO ...Warrior Forum !

    so here i am asking for help,recommendations and even offers for anybody that think or know that he would be the man for this job...

    PM me or reply to this thread and please let me know if you are the "Magician" that can make it happened ...


    i wanted to mention that i have purchased 2 domains .

    1st will be for my own brand name that will be pure organic and legit (white hat)

    and the 2nd one will be for the more ...darker side of SEO and internet ...

    any input will be appreciated !!!

    Advice?

    don't bother with "Dark Side" SEO. It simply ends in failure.

    Please.... be sure you develop a MOBILE site s well... don't let anyone talk you into a single "Responsive" site
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

      Advice?

      don't bother with "Dark Side" SEO. It simply ends in failure.
      The problem with that is the locksmith niche has been on Google radar for years. The niche itself is the dark side of SEO, right up their with payday loans when it comes to SEO.

      That's why most locksmith have 20 disposable sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author savidge4
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        The problem with that is the locksmith niche has been on Google radar for years. The niche itself is the dark side of SEO, right up their with payday loans when it comes to SEO.

        That's why most locksmith have 20 disposable sites.
        I cant disagree with you.. its like saying the SEO niche is only the best in SEO hahaha

        But to say that the only way to get a Locksmith in the top 5 listings is to "Cheat" is a far cry from the truth. It has been my experience that a white hat #10 listing today is generally a #1 after a Google Update or 2. Get rid of the black hat crap and the cream does rise. and once its there its hard to get out. ( Unless white hat today is deemed black hat tomorrow )
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    • Profile picture of the author jasonthewebmaster
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      Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

      Advice?
      be sure you develop a MOBILE site s well... don't let anyone talk you into a single "Responsive" site

      This is really bad advice. All the best looking and most advanced sites nowadays are responsive.

      Responsive sites are better than having a separate mobile site for about a million other reasons.

      The biggest reason is that responsive sites are more SEO friendly than having two separate sites for desktop & mobile.
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      • Profile picture of the author savidge4
        Originally Posted by jasonthewebmaster View Post

        This is really bad advice. All the best looking and most advanced sites nowadays are responsive.

        Responsive sites are better than having a separate mobile site for about a million other reasons.

        The biggest reason is that responsive sites are more SEO friendly than having two separate sites for desktop & mobile.

        Dude,

        Don't even get started with this and don't even try to pull "Cutt's said".

        3 words "PUSH TO CALL" end of story. 3 more maybe? "PUSH FOR DIRECTIONS"

        let me get this right, responsive is more SEO friendly than a Desktop responsive site AND a Mobile site? REALLY?
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        • Profile picture of the author jasonthewebmaster
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          Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

          Dude,

          Don't even get started with this and don't even try to pull "Cutt's said".

          3 words "PUSH TO CALL" end of story. 3 more maybe? "PUSH FOR DIRECTIONS"

          let me get this right, responsive is more SEO friendly than a Desktop responsive site AND a Mobile site? REALLY?
          Why would you need a separate mobile-friendly site IF YOUR SITE IS RESPONSIVE? THAT MEANS IT IS ALREADY MOBILE FRIENDLY.

          Push to Call? my responsive sites have that ... plenty of them do..

          are you suggesting that a responsive site is not mobile friendly in ANY way?

          what is bad for SEO is having two sites, one for mobile users and one for desktop users. this is not due to matt cutts, just my personal experience and I have tried them both.

          sorry not trying to argue but i dont think you understand what i mean..

          what I mean is this:

          If a mobile visitor arrives on your desktop-only site and they are on a mobile device (then using a separate mobile site) they would get redirected to a different domain/site/page that is more mobile friendly.

          If a mobile visitor arrives on a RESPONSIVELY DESIGNED website they can see the EXACT SAME SITE NO MATTER WHAT DEVICE THEY ARE ON.

          The responsive website FITS all screen sizes and mobile devices.

          A website that has to re-direct users to a seperate mobile-friendly site is always a bad idea when you could just have a SINGLE WEBSITE that looks great and works great ON ALL DEVICES.

          So I am not sure what you think I was trying to say but it's proven fact that a responsive website is better than redirecting visitors to a different version of your site. Ever heard of HTML5 and CSS3? Get with the times man..

          All that being said... let's not hijack this thread arguing about something that is hardly related to the OP's original question... and something you clearly have no experience with.
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          • Profile picture of the author savidge4
            Originally Posted by jasonthewebmaster View Post

            Why would you need a separate mobile-friendly site IF YOUR SITE IS RESPONSIVE? THAT MEANS IT IS ALREADY MOBILE FRIENDLY.

            Push to Call? my responsive sites have that ... plenty of them do..

            are you suggesting that a responsive site is not mobile friendly in ANY way?

            what is bad for SEO is having two sites, one for mobile users and one for desktop users. this is not due to matt cutts, just my personal experience and I have tried them both.

            sorry not trying to argue but i dont think you understand what i mean..

            what I mean is this:

            If a mobile visitor arrives on your desktop-only site and they are on a mobile device (then using a separate mobile site) they would get redirected to a different domain/site/page that is more mobile friendly.

            If a mobile visitor arrives on a RESPONSIVELY DESIGNED website they can see the EXACT SAME SITE NO MATTER WHAT DEVICE THEY ARE ON.

            The responsive website FITS all screen sizes and mobile devices.

            A website that has to re-direct users to a seperate mobile-friendly site is always a bad idea when you could just have a SINGLE WEBSITE that looks great and works great ON ALL DEVICES.

            So I am not sure what you think I was trying to say but it's proven fact that a responsive website is better than redirecting visitors to a different version of your site. Ever heard of HTML5 and CSS3? Get with the times man..

            All that being said... let's not hijack this thread arguing about something that is hardly related to the OP's original question... and something you clearly have no experience with.
            Hijack or not this is actually very crucial information for anyone looking to design a page for their business. For someone that "clearly has no experience" let me shed some light on the last 600+ websites I have developed for local business' around the world.

            #1 I provide both Mobile and responsive design.

            #2 Using this method I am targeting the USABILITY across 3 ( THREE ) different platforms. before you say huh what? let me say that the 3 are Mobile as in phone, Mobile as in Tablet and then Desktop.

            #3 based on the data that I can collect across 600+ websites I can very easily tell you that I am not behind in the times, but ahead of the damn curve.

            The reality is Responsive is only so good. speaking in terms of WordPress Responsive structure it basically splits the display into thirds. 1/3 display on a phone looks ok. 3/3 display on a Desktop obviously looks ok. but there is NO such thing as 2/3 display for Tablets.

            How many 7" or greater Tablets are running around this place we call earth right now? Just so the facts are not out of my mouth read this: The State of the Tablet Market | TabTimes

            And you are targeting and creating an optimal user environment for this audience how?

            I am sure this is something that you may not have considered but having the ability to displace 1/4 of your total traffic ( in some cases more ) off of you primary sites server and onto a mobile version does many wonderful things. Like oh I don't know reduce # of users on your desktop site that directly correlates to overall page speed. At the same time you have Optomised images etc on your mobile site that increases speed.

            Splitting out your page visitors gives you better ability to track what is going on, and where and how you can optimize your pages for better conversion.

            It is MY experience that Mobile conversions in more than a FEW ways are different in mechanics than Desktop / responsive conversions.

            What is your conversion rates with Optins for mobile phone users? do you even know that answer to that?

            Here is another great read on the subject: Targeting Mobile Users Through Google AdWords | Smashing Magazine

            The part YOU are missing is the ability to TARGET across 3 segments that in many ways act differently online, and having the ability to adjust YOUR message to meet the needs of the customer in front of you specifically relate to the device they are using.

            THIS is the world we live in, and it is you my friend that regardless of your understanding of HTML5 and CSS3 need to understand those are only languages for building tools. As my Great Grand Father always said "Use the right tool for the job." and you are basically only using the right tool 1/3 of the time.
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  • Profile picture of the author LasseKohau
    You should set up a professional lead gen site for your chosen cities and lead traffic to it through facebook Ads and adwords for emergency issues. That alone , would build your client base.

    After that, retention and worth of mouth grows your business, If You Can handle customers......

    Regards, Lasse
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter Lessard
    As you are new here I will mention I have been full time in online marketing since 2001.
    Have worked for large corporations and handled 6 figure online marketing initiatives.
    Have worked at lead gen for pretty much any kind of company you can imagine.

    I don't know much about your knowledge so I will simply provide some sobering information because there is nothing I hate more than seeing anyone and their family suffering from not knowing what they are getting in to. WAY WORSE is that on this site and in many other places it will appear as though all your marketing problems can be solved and the phone will be ringing off the hook for a few hundred bucks a month.

    Here is the truth. The top companies you work for got to the top because they are no longer locksmiths, they are insanely good marketing companies that happen to be selling locksmith services. With what they know and their budgets they could switch services next week and keep on rolling with very little problems.

    If my friend came to me and said he had been working as a subcontractor for 2 years and was striking out on his own I would tell him this.

    Doing the job of a locksmith has absolutely NOTHING to do with the marketing end.
    You are currently a locksmith.
    If you start your own business your primary business will no longer be being a Lockmith.
    It will now be being a marketing company that happens to deliver locksmith services.
    This is said in the hopes that you will not overestimate your potential success due to your skills as a locksmith.

    The cost per client acquisition in the lock smith industry is brutal.
    Can cost you as much or more as say a dentist getting new client.
    The dentist can make thousands from one new client and they repeat but you will make about $100 off of your client and generally they will not repeat.

    I would ask my friend can you afford to do this?
    Do you have a minimum of 2 years of savings to get you through?
    Do you have at least a 5k/month ad budget and have the right people in place to execute that budget.
    Do you really want to be in the business of marketing and business management?
    That last one may sound like a stupid question as it may seem like the only way forward is ownership BUT I know several affluent people that chose to make their money investing, flipping houses or whatever and did not mess with their primary bred winner.
    So that's it for the big picture, now on to some of the marketing stuff.

    Relying on SEO for this business is going to make you want to punch yourself in the face.
    It will take long, is not dependable, your competitors will fight back.
    You need a mix of ad budget for various other methods with seo being one of them.
    With seo you have to wait too long to figure it out things like site conversion etc...

    If my friend said make me successful and leader in my city for this business within one year I would say how much do you think your competitors would be willing to pay to make sure that did NOT happen? 20k? 40k? 60k? Be prepared to spend the same.

    I would also seek out other strategies such as working with property management groups to do all their work or developing routes where you visit car dealers etc.. same time, same day. At first you will not get much from it but over time you will be shocked how many will start to use you and save their work for that day to get it all done at once.

    All of these strategies are very important and a big picture plan is key.
    I cannot tell you how many people I know that thought getting ranked would make them a business. They hit the top 3 spots and not much happened. They slowly went broke and back to their jobs. It takes more than that.

    If you have more specific questions over time or need to pick someones brain don't be shy just be wary of answers to your problems that seem too simple. It's easy to believe what we want to hear.
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    • Profile picture of the author zoro
      Originally Posted by plessard View Post

      You are currently a locksmith.
      If you start your own business your primary business will no longer be being a Lockmith.
      It will now be being a marketing company that happens to deliver locksmith services.
      This is said in the hopes that you will not overestimate your potential success due to your skills as a locksmith.

      The cost per client acquisition in the lock smith industry is brutal.
      Can cost you as much or more as say a dentist getting new client.
      The dentist can make thousands from one new client and they repeat but you will make about $100 off of your client and generally they will not repeat..
      One of the best answers I have ever read here on the forum because it's so true. So, no matter what business you're in, take note.
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  • Profile picture of the author AmericanMuscleTA
    Why not just make friends with all of the real estate agents in town? Most homeowners change the locks when they move into their new house. Could keep you busy forever.

    Or, just get a list of all of the new homeowners and send them direct mail.
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  • Profile picture of the author MrFume
    If I were you i would read, then read again Plessard's reply - this is very clear good sense - he is giving you a gift that will save you heartache and money.

    It surprises me how many people think that 'SEO' is a magic spell for success. Please promise us that you will not dabble in the 'Dark Side' of SEO, this is one big fat myth and you will get yourself into a lot of trouble. I have worked as an IT engineer and online specialist for nearly 25 years now - I have heard every story, rumor and myth out there.
    I provide Video SEO services and I produce 2,3,4 and five minute promotional videos which I then optimize and rank for local searches - this is very powerful, Google ranks YouTube videos for searches quickly if you do it properly - so the client gets a promotional message that informs people of the business, PLUS the video hugely boosts that business in local searches. I would look up a service such as this to help you with your Locksmith services - and I would take in every word that Plessard gives you regarding the big picture.
    Best of luck to you.
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  • Profile picture of the author JessUBotNinja
    While getting yourself set up with an online presence and working on that... that is not going to be the way you make your money off the bat. You need to make friends and strategic alliances. Who is also working with your target market... real estate, towing services, perhaps set up a special with apartment complexes for emergency services. Make sure to network, and advertise in your local area. On your social media connect with other local businesses so you can refer back and forth. The more you help other people, they more they will help you.
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  • Profile picture of the author misterme
    In addition what Brother Plessard has pointed out, that means it'd be smarter doing some home shows and demonstrating the ten top ways crooks break into your house, vandalize and steal your stuff and point a gun at your sleeping head. How to combat and thwart that and then sell a home lock inspection offer where you personally assess how dangerously close to being victimized they are. Probably works best in neighborhoods where a break in's been recently committed so maybe instead of SEO you want to monitor police blotters.

    You might get business that way while your competitors wait and hope someone looks up locksmiths, finds their listing, goes to the website and calls.

    ...if the crooks haven't taken their computer.
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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    Claim your Google local and Yelp pages ASAP. It's free and they have the click to call feature from smart phones.

    Network with likely referrers.

    If it won't get you in hot water, mention to existing customers that you are going on your own.

    Knock on doors of, say, local hotels and office buildings...

    How big do you want to get? Become a company, or remain a solo guy doing a few jobs a day?

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  • Profile picture of the author bizgrower
    This Warrior was a locksmith:

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  • Profile picture of the author Yankabilly
    Now a days you might want to offer security services as well as a locksmith service that will give you another niche to tap into as well as the one your in. Word of mouth is still the best. Advertising in local papers works well for a friend of mine that does what you do. A website as others have mention is going to set you back several thousand dollars. You may be a lot better off spending your money on paper advertising for now.

    Wishing you the best
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