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I've been reading a little about this lately but do have a question. The reason i have always spun my articles was not because of a duplicate content penalty but for getting the backlinks to my site. From myunderstanding, and I can't remember where I learned this, Google will only give you backlink credit for the same article a couple times. Meaning multiple submissions of the same article will not result in credited backlinks. On the other hand spinning the srticles and changing them atleast 30% made them unique in Googles eyes resulting in credited backlinks.

So, any ideas on what the truth may actually be?

Oh, I'm not worried about the duplicate content penalty because it's very clear that is only concerning duplicate content spamming on the same site and has nothing to do with submitting the same article to different sites.

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What I heard from an SEO specialist is what you said - you are only given one backlink for the first time you submit the article. No penalty for subsequent submissions but they are 'an exercise in futility' since they don't count for anything. Why bother.

I have seen one of the most popular spinners - maybe even the original - and it is real junk. I don't see how they can be 30% changed. They may change several words but that would not be 30% of the aritcle at 300-500 words?

What I saw was they changed one word for one other word several times, and when they switched the order of sentences it no longer made any sense. It was junk but I guess that is beside the point.

If I was re-engineering an article myself ("spinning it") I would add unique sentences and totally change it - but then that is why it is actually easier for me to just write another whole unique article.

... and why after working with a few, I just give away PLR articles to people that want the tedious job of changing it - or else don't care about submitting it as is.

I also heard the same thing from the SEO guy that you are saying with regard to the duplicate content penalty being on the same site - or copying the site itself being the issue - not the articles...

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Rewriting the articles is exactly what you do with SubmitYourArticle. But you change sentences and small paragraphs. You can choose as much of the article as you want to change. After a lot of work I have had articles change to 70% percent. But, you don't have to put it together you just make sure the new sentences say exactly what the original sentence says but in different words. The program then puts it together in hundreds of different ways and submits new versions to each directory. You end up with a couple hundred articles that Google will see as unique.

But, as Dustin Cannon states in his article and video you posted most of the unique articles go to very low PR sites and don't really do much good. Only those that are posted on the high PR directories give a real benefit to the Author.

He also made a good point of the best backlinks being those that come from sites in your niche that pickup your articles and post them voluntarily. They are relevant backlinks and count very high. Because most of the low PR sites have very few visitors their articles aren't picked up and posted on other sites.

A very big benefit of SubmitYourArticle is they do post unique versions in the top Article Directories and that helps.



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What I heard from an SEO specialist is what you said - you are only given one backlink for the first time you submit the article. No penalty for subsequent submissions but they are 'an exercise in futility' since they don't count for anything. Why bother.

I have seen one of the most popular spinners - maybe even the original - and it is real junk. I don't see how they can be 30% changed. They may change several words but that would not be 30% of the aritcle at 300-500 words?

What I saw was they changed one word for one other word several times, and when they switched the order of sentences it no longer made any sense. It was junk but I guess that is beside the point.

If I was re-engineering an article myself ("spinning it") I would add unique sentences and totally change it - but then that is why it is actually easier for me to just write another whole unique article.

... and why after working with a few, I just give away PLR articles to people that want the tedious job of changing it - or else don't care about submitting it as is.

I also heard the same thing from the SEO guy that you are saying with regard to the duplicate content penalty being on the same site - or copying the site itself being the issue - not the articles...

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SubmitYourArticle sounds good then. How much is it?

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They're $47.00 a month. You can click any of my links below and you'll see them for more info.

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Hi whats the best article spinner on the market, as i have tried a few and when I read the articles they are not really readable. not very professional to distribute my brand.
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Originally Posted by ian rowe View Post

Hi whats the best article spinner on the market, as i have tried a few and when I read the articles they are not really readable. not very professional to distribute my brand.
The best article spinner is yourself. Seriously. "Article spinners" are a waste of time and money. You're better off changing it yourself or having someone else do it for you.

I like Free Traffic System (A Better Alternative To Article Marketing? Give Free Traffic System A Try | Work From Home Resources Blog) because it allows you to spin your articles so that every version it posts on other blogs are going to be unique. Plus, you get to choose what blogs you want your articles to post to (for relevancy of the backlink). Probably the best thing, though, is that it's completely free (with an upgrade option).

However, a myth about backlinks is that they need to be relevant to your site. Not true. It does help to a degree, but if you get your backlinks on high PR sites, then relevancy doesn't matter one bit. They'll hold a lot of weight regardless.

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Some where on the Free Traffic System site that Alan posted about is an article spinner. They have a link to an article creator and spinner combo for $72.00. Some members say it works very well. I can't find the link but search the site and you'll find it.

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This is very useful info, I will visit the sites and check out these spinners.... has anyone heard of using 'article marketing' to promote an MLM...... how effective would that be?
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Originally Posted by Stephen Meyer View Post

Some where on the Free Traffic System site that Alan posted about is an article spinner. They have a link to an article creator and spinner combo for $72.00. Some members say it works very well. I can't find the link but search the site and you'll find it.
Ahh... yes, I remember that they rolled out a new article spinner program. The thing, though, about this article spinner is that you still change the sentences yourself. This is the best method.

When I said that article spinners were junk, I was referring to the ones that automatically "spin" the entire article for you. But, with the article spinner that FTS promotes, or even the one that is used in the system, you're changing the articles yourself and have full control, so that's fine.

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This is very useful info, I will visit the sites and check out these spinners.... has anyone heard of using 'article marketing' to promote an MLM...... how effective would that be?
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You can essentially promote anything using article marketing. It's very effective. In a sense, PIPS is somewhat like an MLM, and many of us use article marketing to promote PIPS and our websites. Article marketing is VERY effective.

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Hey Alan -

Not to split hairs but, although I can see why you might say PIPS is kind of like an MLM, more correctly the affiliate programs are like MLM.

PIPS itself is not MLM - it is a free program and has no matrix. You get no commissions for sponsoring someone in PIPS from PIPS - only from the core affiliate programs which are optional. You also pay nothing directly to PIPS.

There is no hierarchy here - except we are Stone and all the little pebbles. The pebbles can be at the same level or higher than Stone in any affiliate program if they sell more than he does. He is an affiliate in the same programs we are.

No matrix, No pyramid. It's all good.

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Hey Pat,

Yeah, I know. But, for the sake of the example and not wanting to write out a full explanation, I just made things simpler for myself. Looking back I probably shouldn't have. But yeah, you're right. The programs themselves are.

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I didn't want to shell out big bucks for a spinner so I made one myself from Excel... you can check it out in the link below.

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Re: Caneman and the Excel Article Spinner-is this the same as the Free Article Writer by Chris Smith? Which appears on many blogs but without a functioning download link?

I cannot see a link for downloading the Excel Spinner mentioned by Caneman?

Am I going mad?
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Andy Black has a free article spinner, it's a manual spinner. www.easy-article-rewriter.

I've used it once, but like Pat said, it just as easy to write a whole new original article. And will probably save you some time. Use PLR for ideas, then write a new article.

I haven't used any of the auto-re-writers, so I couldn't talk about those.

As far as getting SEO for duplicate articles, I've heard both ways. So I don't have any answer for that.

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if using auto how much the unique content must have, i mean percentage.

If you rewrite it in the 15% the content is still the same so google will considered you copy and twist it a bit.

But if you use auto rewrite it in 50% the content just blew away to be totally unique and not make sense at all. just like that i hate so much

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I've seen a couple of auto-rewriter programs. One Is MAGIC ARTICLE REWRITER and MAGIC ARTICLE SUBMITTER for like $72 (in a combo) by Alexandr Krulic. It sounds good, but I've seen posts in WF about having problems with he program and Alexandr won't do the customer service.

The other I don't remember the name, but the cost was about the same.

I ran across an article somewhere, that was spun, but it had all the spin words listed in the article. So you could easily tell it was spun.

I used a manual re-writer by Andy Black a while back. He sent me email about his new ARTICLE WRITER PRO. This looks like a great program, I'm seriously thinking about this one. It helps you write NEW articles, you give it a key word, it searches the Internet of the latest articles on those keywords, and helps you write a unique new article. It's like $77.

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I use a couple based on what I am doing. I use Content Boss in SeNuke, its simple and fast and for that application I don't really care all that much about originality. I use Mass Article Control to get me going in my article writing process. I use Spinn.com (its free) to get more ideas, then I combine all the crap they spit out into a decent article. My test is if it gets past Ezinearticle's duplicate content software then its unique

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hey there all

i have finally found the solution for my article marketing strategy

ahhhh is not about the rewrite or spinning matter.

i just got idea that came oout from not where

and now it make sense how i can success in the article

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I used a manual re-writer by Andy Black a while back. He sent me email about his new ARTICLE WRITER PRO. This looks like a great program, I'm seriously thinking about this one. It helps you write NEW articles, you give it a key word, it searches the Internet of the latest articles on those keywords, and helps you write a unique new article. It's like $77.
Thanks Chooch. Seen this thread and just thought I'd straighten things out a little to make it clear of what both my article applications do.

Easy Article Rewriter: A simple free online rewriting tool that allows you to paste in an article so it can parse it and break it down into sentences. You then rewrite each sentence in your own words, oneat a time. When you click the 'Collate Article' button it will collate all your new sentences and whip them into a formatted article for you. These articles are completely unique. It also offers a few stats such as number of sentences, word count etc. It basically removes most of the thinking required when rewriting articles. For those people who struggle to write articles, it's great.

I am also releasing my software version of this tool soon called Easy Article Rewriter Pro. It has lots more features and is the 'perfect' software for people wanting to 'easily' rewrite content for websites, blogs etc. It will also target freelance 'rewriters' and those who are wanting to rewrite articles for other marketers in exchange for money.

Article Writer Pro: This is getting upgraded within the next two months and will include lots more features, including 'hopefully' an article distribution network so you can 'create and submit' automatically to gain backlinks.

This isn't $77 as mentioned above, it's only $47 one time fee. As stated above, it does have a built in content research feature that pulls relevant blocks of content from the web, but you still have to tweak them. This article creation system was developed to create articles that BOTH stuck in Googles main index, and passed Ezinearticles approval system... and it does both. It is a manual system which does require you to put some work into it but the way in which it creates it's articles means it doesn't leave any footprint which is identifiable by Google. It doesn't spin one article using synonyms and part phrases... it pulls various content from your account, chooses a random variation for each sentence and then displays your article. It is quite powerful as you can build each project as much as you want, which makes it super fleixble when creating your articles.

The user manual for AWP can be downloaded from the sales page, Article Creator - Create Unique Articles Instantly which gives you an idea of what is involved (pre-upgrade).

It's not a 'quick fix' for article creation, but if you're good at 'rewriting' sentences (same principal as Easy Article Rewriter' then it is a powerful tool.

Just wanted to clear up how it actually works.

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