[score]

Stone Evan's sales copy leads to believe that everything is free except
hosting. But when one starts to study all the training it's clear that you
get nowhere if you do not spend around $500 on different promo help.
Until day 23 I found only Traffic Swarm to be free. All the rest have
some sort of extra costs.
The training is excellent but that is not the point here. The matter is that
most of the desperate newbees like me want to make money fast, but do
not have this extra $500 to invest in promo help. We are flat broke!
So that's why I suggest that those newbees who cannot buy the co-op
service get a free trial month. If no sales then no paying for the first month,
but if it works then one pays. This would ensure a lot of newbees that the
system works - also from them.

score

[Patrician]

First of all - Stone clearly states it is not necessary to buy everything he suggests.

Anything recommended is OPTIONAL.

He 'leads you to believe' you only need to pay for hosting because that is true. That is your only requirement to have a site.

Further if you complete the training you will see there are many free techniques you can use to promote your site.

In my opinion, these strategies will work over time no matter if you do any other paid advertising technique.

Article and blog marketing are the two main FREE ways.

Just like real life - when you have money life is easier, things happen faster - and if you don't have money then you have to spend more time and effort in lieu of money.

It would not be fair to the other co-op members who paid to let people join free - When new members pay, additional resources are added so that it does not get saturated quickly.

There are any number of bonuses and discounts offered in the training and in the bonuses section - take for instance the one now to get $197 worth of submissions free just by faxing the form.

As well, there is a $25 rebate just for joining the program. This could pay for your first month hosting.

Try to see 'the glass is half full' rather than 'half empty.

[Matt Helphrey]

Hi score,

When I first started, I didnt pay for anything except for the hosting. In fact, I would suggest that you do the same especially if you don't have money to spend.

Use free methods like Pat suggested. You'll find them to be just as effective and you'll learn alot too.

Feel free to ask ?'s if you got them.

Matt

[Stephen Meyer]

score, I think a lot of us can relate to your frustration. Money is tight all around and many of us started pretty much broke. You should though take note of all the other free advertising methods outlined in the 30-day training. There are quite a few more than just traffic swarm.

Have you used all the information in Getresponse, or used their 500 ad credits and submitted your site to search engines, started a blog, tried Instant buzz, started to article market, or signed up in several forums so you can forum market? Those are all listed along with a few more that are free in the 30-days. they can get you started in the right direction if you use them.

Of course article marketing, blogging and forums are my favorites and you can use them over and over again to build your business and never pay a penny. Social marketing is also a great way to get your site know. Sign up for as many sites as you can handle, read the rules and market away. You can build your business without ever spending a dime and without ever buying free sign ups. When you don't have money you just exchange money for work.

If you are really serious there is an offer on the board for you to get all sorts of great things that will kick your business into over drive. Guess what, it is free. All you have to do is start a blog and start making some post. They don't have to be great or superbly written they just need to be from you. If you are serious about making money then go here PIPs Blog Contest, WOW! and get started now. With a little work you can win in a big way. Not just the great stuff being given away but you can win by building your business and making money.

If you are tired of being "Flat Broke" then get serious. If you are not serious then what can I say.

[Alan Mater]

Hi Score,

Everyone here has given you fantastic advise. Take it slow and don't get in too deep. You must keep a budget, and enforce it. You can succeed with this without paying for advertising. There are many free ways to get traffic. Start learning how to do this, and you will be well on your way to success.

Best Regards,

Alan

[Kym Robinson]

Hey Pat - hope you are well!

What submssion are you talking about?
I know the training has changed since I did it - but could you point me to a page please?

I agree that it would be unfair for coop members that have paid good money to have people come in free.
It does help to have cash - but I know alot of people get into online business thinking they can make the mother load overnight with no investment!
This is not true!
If you dont have cash to splash - you need to spend a good deal of your time in leiu.
Good advice above.

Thanks - Kym

[Stephen Meyer]

Hey Kym, she is talking about Day 9, have your website submitted to over 880 search engines.

[Doug Gorman]

If you want bigtime advertising you cannot beat the price of the co-op.


If you want free go to Plug-In Profit Site News or download my free report with 150 free tools for your business:

The Free Method Report - 150 Free Tools For Any Home Business


Doug

[Patrician]

Originally Posted by Kym Robinson

If you dont have cash to splash - you need to spend a good deal of your time in leiu.

LOL Kym

The way I say this is 'you got to spend a dime and do your time'!

Maybe we could write a little song.

Stephen answered your question for me. Bless you Steve that I didn't have to go look it up.

[Belinda Wilson]

Thanks for the tip Pat. Hadn't looked at the training for a while and this new page 9 is great.

Belinda

[Suzanne Morrison]

Originally Posted by Doug Gorman

If you want bigtime advertising you cannot beat the price of the co-op.

My recent two month test of the co-op with an independent tracking link got me zero sales and approx 1-2 hits per day.

The important thing is in my opinion, to research something thoroughly before signing up. If you do sign up, track very carefully and make the decision on whether the results are worth the money spent. Review your results regularly. Don't sign up for something for more than a month at a time until you have tried it and are happy with it.

Cheers,
Suzanne

[GT]

Originally Posted by Patrician

LOL Kym

The way I say this is 'you got to spend a dime and do your time'!

Maybe we could write a little song.

Stephen answered your question for me. Bless you Steve that I didn't have to go look it up.

Pat! Don't do this to me!

Now I can't get the song idea out of my head ... and I have sooo much writing to do for a couple of my local corporate clients - I CAN'T spend time writing lyrics for a PIPS song! (Oh, the agony of unanswered inspiration!)

Now: on topic

I agree with many of the comments in this thread.

First, when we are new and inexperienced, we don't really know what to expect or exactly how to interpret the sales literature. As PIPS member score suggested, it comes across as being easy and inexpensive to succeed in this business.

Once we get into it, though, it becomes a little more laborious than expected and we find that we might have to spend some extra cash, if we want to take advantage of ways to accellerate our progress.

However, as many have pointed out here, if you don't have the cash, then invest more time learning the business, and applying the free methods, of which there are numerous once you begin checking through the available training materials.

For me, once I got over the initial shock that Internet Marketing is a business like any other that requires time, training, focus and perseverance, I just started focusing on my ultimate success goals and planning my daily marketing activities around building a solid foundation for future success.

GT

(Okay. Now back to some important things. How does the tune go for that new PIPS song again? Hmm, hm hm hm hmm. Hm hm hm hm hmm. Now, the lyrics...)

[Jeff Casmer]

Hi GT,

Well said...you are learning alot

Take care
Jeff Casmer

[Michelle Jayes]

Good advice GT

I think one needs to sit down and plan blocks of time in which to work on
different segments of your business i.e. time spent learning, marketing,
updating website etc.

Michelle Jayes

[Dele]

Originally Posted by Patrician

LOL Kym

Stephen answered your question for me. Bless you Steve that I didn't have to go look it up.

Look it up? I thought you would be a walking encyclopaedia of the 30-day training by now

Originally posted by Suzanne
Don't sign up for something for more than a month at a time until you have tried it and are happy with it.

Does that also go for the PIPS Power Group? Is there a one month provision in the PPG?

[clint48]

I am not a member, but if you are not required to get hosting at a certain place you can get free hosting that doesn't place ads on your site. I have been using free hosting for over a year and I have found it to be much better than the paid hosting I use to have.

Clint

[Patrician]

It changes frequenty and I rarely look at it unless someone has a problem I need to verify.

My bad, I know, but between the helpdesk*, new orders, forum mod and coaching, that's about all I have time for. Once in a while I manage to pay attention to my own sites.

*helpdesk is for administrative and technical issues and not a supplement for the training.

Originally Posted by Dele

Look it up? I thought you would be a walking encyclopaedia of the 30-day training by now

[Dele]

Originally Posted by Patrician

It changes frequenty and I rarely look at it unless someone has a problem I need to verify.

My bad, I know, but between the helpdesk*, new orders, forum mod and coaching, that's about all I have time for. Once in a while I manage to pay attention to my own sites.

*helpdesk is for administrative and technical issues and not a supplement for the training.

Just pulling your legs Patricia.

I don't envy your yeomans job and you are discharging it creditably.

[tplahav]

Hi GT,
I agree, it was a shock at the beginning, but it was and still is a great learning experience.

The idea of the one month trail is a good idea, maybe, one day, how knows...

But there are many other ways you can promote your PIPS business, you just have to learn and work in your budget.

GT, I like the music

Tanny

[GT]

Originally Posted by tplahav

GT, I like the music

Tanny

Hi, Tanny:

It's still floating around in my head, and every once in a while words pop in there too! But I'm still too busy with other duties to do anything about it. Oh, well. Maybe some day.

Getting back to the original question in this thread, a one month free test ride sounds good on the surface, but results would not happen fast enough and people would never join the Co-op. Their best choice is to simply focus on the free or low cost methods of promoting their PIPS business - ideas shared earlier, throughout this thread.

GT

[Stephen Meyer]

GT, does it sound anything like Motley Crew or Aerosmith?

[luckystar]

Hello,
The truth is that even when you have the cash to spend dont expect instant return because it not a get rich quick program rather it a business which realy require time and effort to grow.

Please make the maximum use of this forum.

[vorales]

Originally Posted by score

Stone Evan's sales copy leads to believe that everything is free except
hosting. But when one starts to study all the training it's clear that you
get nowhere if you do not spend around $500 on different promo help.
Until day 23 I found only Traffic Swarm to be free. All the rest have
some sort of extra costs.
The training is excellent but that is not the point here. The matter is that
most of the desperate newbees like me want to make money fast, but do
not have this extra $500 to invest in promo help. We are flat broke!
So that's why I suggest that those newbees who cannot buy the co-op
service get a free trial month. If no sales then no paying for the first month,
but if it works then one pays. This would ensure a lot of newbees that the
system works - also from them.

score

Hi Score,

My advise to you, if you don't have money, don't simply spend it. It is good that you go through the training guide and come to this forum before you start.

Let me tell you my experience. I just follow exactly what Stone mentioned in the training guide. My impression was if I don't follow I won't made money on line. I had spend money for the website hosting, SU, GetResponse PRO, GetSubscribers, Adminder, PBL, SEO, add contents.

The mistake that I made was I didn't get advise from senior members.

You will not follow my mistake as you already had many good advice from the senior members. You should appreciate that.

This is a business, no matter what you will need to spend some money to grow your business or to get the skills that nessessary for your business.

Money or time. If you don't have money, so invest your time.

[statnow]

Hi
Would surfing on the traffic exchanges be a waste of time? That is what I use now, but I want to use the Co-Op when my budget will allow. I also use free classified ads.

The best to all
George

[Patrician]

Hi George - please focus on the 30 Days to Success training. The idea is to learn about the techniques but there is no obligation to pay for anything other than for your own hosting account.

Having said that you should do as many things as you can to promote your business aggressively.

There are several free ways to promote your business that are more effective than traffic exchanges. Namely as you will see in the training blogging and article marketing.

Having said that traffic exchanges and classified ads can be effective. I used to just pay for credits - $10-15 at a time because the surfing drove me nuts after the first week, especially when I realized how much time it was consuming.

If that is all you can do, though at least your are getting credits for advertising and that is good. I actually found PIPS through Traffic Swarm so I know they do work.