A Question for loyal members

lsamarketer · 10th Jan 2010, 08:16 PM

Hi everyone,

I posted this on the "Introduce Yourself" thread which may have been the wrong place for it, so I thought I would try again here.

I stumbled upon the PIP site earlier. I had seen it around but never looked into it. I have been considering a viral internet based MLM after signing up for the Renegade Marketer and I found the PIP by googling MLMs.

I investigated PIP by going here, and have heard so many positive things that I am very tempted to join. My only problem (and I may have missed something), is that I have not yet heard of one testimonial or poster claiming to have earned any substantial income. I hope someone can contradict that, because I would love to be a part of a group effort such as this. But although PIP is free, the monthly membership fees to the various programs add up. I need to know that I can offset those with some income.

I'll come back to the WF tomorrow and do some more research about PIP.

Until then, please let me hear from you if you have a success story to share.

Thanks,
Paul

duxu2010 · 12th Jan 2010, 03:37 PM

I had a similar post "how much earning is going on". However there seem to be no "front answer".
I have no doubt that PIPS is very helpful in supporting the members, people are very kind, and one can learn alot about internet marketing. For that I want to thank all those who spent time and effort helping me.

On the other hand, from all I learned and understand so far, I very much doubt such marketing will gain much income to the vast majority of the members, no matter how hard they try. Here's why:

The whole system is kind of like the root of a tree. The root starts from a few BIG BRANCHS(these are the so-called gurus), then split into smaller and smaller branchs (non-gurus and newbies). The point of developing such huge systems is, of course, to grab as much water as possible from the soil to support the TREE(whatever company that tries to sell their products).
The fundamental question is where's the money from. Marketing itself doesn't directly produce money. It only HELPs making money by increase selling. This is like the roots don't generate water, they only grab water from the ground.
Now here comes the problem: there's only limited water in the ground. The tree and the higher level branchs (gurus) of course would like to grab as much water as possible. Hence they develope as many as possible sub-branchs. However for the "newbie" level branches, the efficiency of grabing water becomes extremely low as the root system grows because there's only this much water (or need for the products).
Despite of such awkward situation, due to the lack of control, the branch of roots keep reproducing and growing. And the growth rate of the roots is MUCH FASTER THAN THAT OF THE NEED IN PRODUCTS. The result is the newbies just pay fees and have no income. These fees are simply to keep the redundence of their existance, and help grabing the last few cents of profit for the gurus.
Why am I saying there's not enough need for the products? SFI, for example:I checked SFI's Tripleclick.com. I picked several products, and check these on ebay (which is much more popular than tripleclick.com itself and hence has more buyers). It turned out that on ebay people sell the same stuff with even lower price, but still there's almost no buyer.

In principle, PIPS did great job in reproducing itself. However that's also all there is in it. It will work great at the early fast developing stage (which is why Stone has his success). But such success can't be reprduced for the vast majority of people, not because they don't try hard enough, but because there are inevitably too many of them.

To conclude, I'm not saying internet marketing doesn't work. If one can get into a business it at its highly developing stage, and become the guru level, it should bring good income. However, if one join afterwards, even though after years he or she may develop many underlines, there's already a big upperline group on the top, and the market is saturating, there won't be much income.

Patrician · 12th Jan 2010, 04:47 PM

Unfortunately the vast majority of PIPS members do not participate in the forum. Maybe they are too busy marketing and making money.

You need only to login to every affiliate program and look at the geneology and leader boards and you will see PIPS members on every one of them.

I have been with PIPS 5 years as a member and 4 in the capacity as the member support director.

I can tell you we have members that have been here longer and quite often I get messages from 'old' members who want to come back and start over - some several times.

The program has been going for a long time - close to a decade. If nobody was making money, we would have folded a long time ago.

Here is the deal. Internet marketing DOES WORK but it is not a cake walk. It is hard work that must be consistently and aggressively implemented OVER TIME.

This forum (Warrior Forum) is full of successful internet marketers, many who make a 6 figure income just from the forum - albeit these are people who have 'graduated' to have their own membership programs and/or products and services.

You have to start someplace and I can honestly say PIPS is a great place to get your feet wet, learn the ins and outs when you have no skills at all that you bring to the table - we build the site, we provide the step-by-step training.

Here is where I have to say 'you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink'.

We give you the tools to build a foundation - what you do with it is up to you. If you don't do anything then nothing will happen. There is no magic about this or any other business.

No program will work unless we do.

Many people get 'paralysis by analysis' and have manufactured every reason why they will fail. No surprise when they do then, right?

Why do 95% fail at internet marketing? Because they quit. Because they don't really try. Because they expect magic. (wealth without work)

Billions of dollars (literally) are earned by home businesses and the vast majority of those are network and internet marketing based businesses.

So pretty good for the 5%, wouldn't you say?

BIll S · 12th Jan 2010, 04:49 PM

Originally Posted by lsamarketer

Hi everyone,

I posted this on the "Introduce Yourself" thread which may have been the wrong place for it, so I thought I would try again here.

I stumbled upon the PIP site earlier. I had seen it around but never looked into it. I have been considering a viral internet based MLM after signing up for the Renegade Marketer and I found the PIP by googling MLMs.

I investigated PIP by going here, and have heard so many positive things that I am very tempted to join. My only problem (and I may have missed something), is that I have not yet heard of one testimonial or poster claiming to have earned any substantial income. I hope someone can contradict that, because I would love to be a part of a group effort such as this. But although PIP is free, the monthly membership fees to the various programs add up. I need to know that I can offset those with some income.

I'll come back to the WF tomorrow and do some more research about PIP.

Until then, please let me hear from you if you have a success story to share.

Thanks,
Paul

Maybe I can give you some input on PIPS....

It seems that you are wondering if people that join PIPS end up making any money by joining PIPS!

Therefore, let me see if I can answer it!

There are many people that have joined PIPS and wound up being very successful with their own Internet business! As you learn the basics with PIPS you see that real money is not only promoting the PIPS program but branching out and planting your own seed to grow! What I'm saying is, you may start out being a PIPS member, but with what you learn you can become your own successful Internet marketer!

Here's a small list of people that you might know that have started or are involved with PIPS: Ewen Chia, Alan Says, Willie Crawford, Mike Filsaime, Bill Shultz, Patricia Brucoli, Ken Troyer, Jeff Casmer, Suzanne Morrison, Jeff Schuman, Cynthia Minnar, Russell Brunson, Mal Keenan, Jack Humphrey, Jeff Mullins and Michael Glaspie to name a few!

There are many others that have branched of and became a success online. Once they learn to build momentum and start having success, they tend to drift away from this forum and go their own way but may poke in here now and again!

So, the answer to the question is... Yes, you can earn residual income with this program. If the monthly fee is a problem I would not upgrade in them. Although, I would recommend upgrading MyWorldPlus. If you want to join PIPS you can do that

Best of luck,

lsamarketer · 12th Jan 2010, 06:00 PM

Thanks for all of the good advice, both pro and con. I'm sure that anything can work if you put your mind to it and I have been feeling around for an MLM to add to my biz that would be worth the effort.

After thinking about some of the PIP offered MLMs though, I'm not so sure there is much of a market. For instance, how many people will pay $10 a month for a ".ws" domain extension?

I'll continue to think about it and keep an eye on the forum.

Thanks again.

Paul

Patrician · 12th Jan 2010, 07:44 PM

The $10 is for membership in the business opportunity - not the domain name which is given to you as a member.

You can use that domain for a PIPS site (if you redirect the DNS) or you can use it for the GDI business.

Everyone reports making money with GDI -

The only thing required for our program is a HostGator hosting account and a registered domain. All the affiliate programs are optional and you can add anything you want to your website if you have some other programs you like better than ours. (however our sales page which we also provide to each member encoded with their IDs, will have our core programs only.)

... just sayin'

carpunky · 23rd Jan 2010, 07:32 PM

What is all this hostgator stuff did I miss something ? Has anyone not got there check this month besides me ?

They said the billing was messed up or something ?

Patrician · 23rd Jan 2010, 09:52 PM

Host4Profit did report that they had system problems and had thought it was resolved. Then they found out it is still broken. (they think it is fixed now)

Contact resellers(at)host4profit.net and get an accounting to be sure you are paid.

Jeff I have answered the 'HostGator stuff' in a couple other threads. Please refer to those for the answer.

Mike L. · 12th Feb 2010, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by lsamarketer

Hi everyone,

I posted this on the "Introduce Yourself" thread which may have been the wrong place for it, so I thought I would try again here.

I stumbled upon the PIP site earlier. I had seen it around but never looked into it. I have been considering a viral internet based MLM after signing up for the Renegade Marketer and I found the PIP by googling MLMs.

I investigated PIP by going here, and have heard so many positive things that I am very tempted to join. My only problem (and I may have missed something), is that I have not yet heard of one testimonial or poster claiming to have earned any substantial income. I hope someone can contradict that, because I would love to be a part of a group effort such as this. But although PIP is free, the monthly membership fees to the various programs add up. I need to know that I can offset those with some income.

I'll come back to the WF tomorrow and do some more research about PIP.

Until then, please let me hear from you if you have a success story to share.

Thanks,
Paul

I would try to keep in mind that not all people who join PIPS participate in the forum, even though we wish they would.

Everybody learns at a different level. But for testimonials this forum is pretty much a testiment to the fact that you can be successful with PIPS or any other program of thuis type, including the programs which make up PIPS.

luckystar · 15th Feb 2010, 11:29 AM

Hello,

The illustration of tree and it branch is the best description of PIP.

I hope someone will stand and say yes i am making it but nobody rather
there is references that other does.

It is obvious that stone is making money with the influx of the newbies, therefore, the issue of parking up will not be considered.

I so much believe in the principle of hard work and persistence. in fact, i have done so much to make it as PIP but all to no avail.

The program is genuine but programmed for a certain group of marketers.

My advice to any newbie is that never invest a dime in PIP because i did and worked hard to break even but couldn't.

Try the free parts and build your self from it and proceed to affiliate marketing where you earn immediately after sale.

Kanga · 17th Feb 2010, 04:39 PM

Hi Isamarketer,
I am not a pro, i have been here only for five months going six, i have not made money with any of the program but i am happy to be a Pip member in great part for the great learning curve one gets out off the training. That training has no price as far as i am concerned and then again i think the best way that a tree will give you its fruits is by planting it first and start taking care of it, so that it grows and produce the fruit which were already within the seed tree. The knowledge of the market is important in any business, yes; but the way it should be driven need training and practise.
As for Internet Marketing, there is no other place such PIP. I am glad to be a Pip Owner.
Cheers.

10th Jan 2010, 08:16 PM	#1
lsamarketer Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2009 Posts: 68 Thanks: 8 Thanked 19 Times in 15 Posts	A Question for loyal members Share on: Hi everyone, I posted this on the "Introduce Yourself" thread which may have been the wrong place for it, so I thought I would try again here. I stumbled upon the PIP site earlier. I had seen it around but never looked into it. I have been considering a viral internet based MLM after signing up for the Renegade Marketer and I found the PIP by googling MLMs. I investigated PIP by going here, and have heard so many positive things that I am very tempted to join. My only problem (and I may have missed something), is that I have not yet heard of one testimonial or poster claiming to have earned any substantial income. I hope someone can contradict that, because I would love to be a part of a group effort such as this. But although PIP is free, the monthly membership fees to the various programs add up. I need to know that I can offset those with some income. I'll come back to the WF tomorrow and do some more research about PIP. Until then, please let me hear from you if you have a success story to share. Thanks, Paul

12th Jan 2010, 03:37 PM	#2
duxu2010 Warrior Member Join Date: 2010 Posts: 2 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: A Question for loyal members Share on: I had a similar post "how much earning is going on". However there seem to be no "front answer". I have no doubt that PIPS is very helpful in supporting the members, people are very kind, and one can learn alot about internet marketing. For that I want to thank all those who spent time and effort helping me. On the other hand, from all I learned and understand so far, I very much doubt such marketing will gain much income to the vast majority of the members, no matter how hard they try. Here's why: The whole system is kind of like the root of a tree. The root starts from a few BIG BRANCHS(these are the so-called gurus), then split into smaller and smaller branchs (non-gurus and newbies). The point of developing such huge systems is, of course, to grab as much water as possible from the soil to support the TREE(whatever company that tries to sell their products). The fundamental question is where's the money from. Marketing itself doesn't directly produce money. It only HELPs making money by increase selling. This is like the roots don't generate water, they only grab water from the ground. Now here comes the problem: there's only limited water in the ground. The tree and the higher level branchs (gurus) of course would like to grab as much water as possible. Hence they develope as many as possible sub-branchs. However for the "newbie" level branches, the efficiency of grabing water becomes extremely low as the root system grows because there's only this much water (or need for the products). Despite of such awkward situation, due to the lack of control, the branch of roots keep reproducing and growing. And the growth rate of the roots is MUCH FASTER THAN THAT OF THE NEED IN PRODUCTS. The result is the newbies just pay fees and have no income. These fees are simply to keep the redundence of their existance, and help grabing the last few cents of profit for the gurus. Why am I saying there's not enough need for the products? SFI, for example:I checked SFI's Tripleclick.com. I picked several products, and check these on ebay (which is much more popular than tripleclick.com itself and hence has more buyers). It turned out that on ebay people sell the same stuff with even lower price, but still there's almost no buyer. In principle, PIPS did great job in reproducing itself. However that's also all there is in it. It will work great at the early fast developing stage (which is why Stone has his success). But such success can't be reprduced for the vast majority of people, not because they don't try hard enough, but because there are inevitably too many of them. To conclude, I'm not saying internet marketing doesn't work. If one can get into a business it at its highly developing stage, and become the guru level, it should bring good income. However, if one join afterwards, even though after years he or she may develop many underlines, there's already a big upperline group on the top, and the market is saturating, there won't be much income.

12th Jan 2010, 04:47 PM	#3
Patrician OffTheWallflowerChild War Room Member Join Date: 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,776 Thanks: 6,161 Thanked 2,625 Times in 1,763 Posts	Re: A Question for loyal members Share on: Unfortunately the vast majority of PIPS members do not participate in the forum. Maybe they are too busy marketing and making money. You need only to login to every affiliate program and look at the geneology and leader boards and you will see PIPS members on every one of them. I have been with PIPS 5 years as a member and 4 in the capacity as the member support director. I can tell you we have members that have been here longer and quite often I get messages from 'old' members who want to come back and start over - some several times. The program has been going for a long time - close to a decade. If nobody was making money, we would have folded a long time ago. Here is the deal. Internet marketing DOES WORK but it is not a cake walk. It is hard work that must be consistently and aggressively implemented OVER TIME. This forum (Warrior Forum) is full of successful internet marketers, many who make a 6 figure income just from the forum - albeit these are people who have 'graduated' to have their own membership programs and/or products and services. You have to start someplace and I can honestly say PIPS is a great place to get your feet wet, learn the ins and outs when you have no skills at all that you bring to the table - we build the site, we provide the step-by-step training. Here is where I have to say 'you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them drink'. We give you the tools to build a foundation - what you do with it is up to you. If you don't do anything then nothing will happen. There is no magic about this or any other business. No program will work unless we do. Many people get 'paralysis by analysis' and have manufactured every reason why they will fail. No surprise when they do then, right? Why do 95% fail at internet marketing? Because they quit. Because they don't really try. Because they expect magic. (wealth without work) Billions of dollars (literally) are earned by home businesses and the vast majority of those are network and internet marketing based businesses. So pretty good for the 5%, wouldn't you say?
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12th Jan 2010, 06:00 PM	#5
lsamarketer Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2009 Posts: 68 Thanks: 8 Thanked 19 Times in 15 Posts	Re: A Question for loyal members Share on: Thanks for all of the good advice, both pro and con. I'm sure that anything can work if you put your mind to it and I have been feeling around for an MLM to add to my biz that would be worth the effort. After thinking about some of the PIP offered MLMs though, I'm not so sure there is much of a market. For instance, how many people will pay $10 a month for a ".ws" domain extension? I'll continue to think about it and keep an eye on the forum. Thanks again. Paul

12th Jan 2010, 07:44 PM	#6
Patrician OffTheWallflowerChild War Room Member Join Date: 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,776 Thanks: 6,161 Thanked 2,625 Times in 1,763 Posts	Re: A Question for loyal members Share on: The $10 is for membership in the business opportunity - not the domain name which is given to you as a member. You can use that domain for a PIPS site (if you redirect the DNS) or you can use it for the GDI business. Everyone reports making money with GDI - The only thing required for our program is a HostGator hosting account and a registered domain. All the affiliate programs are optional and you can add anything you want to your website if you have some other programs you like better than ours. (however our sales page which we also provide to each member encoded with their IDs, will have our core programs only.) ... just sayin'
	Patricia Brucoli Plug-In Profit Site Helpdesk

23rd Jan 2010, 07:32 PM	#7
carpunky Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2004 Location: Everywhere Posts: 98 Thanks: 5 Thanked 10 Times in 6 Posts	Re: A Question for loyal members Share on: What is all this hostgator stuff did I miss something ? Has anyone not got there check this month besides me ? They said the billing was messed up or something ?
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23rd Jan 2010, 09:52 PM	#8
Patrician OffTheWallflowerChild War Room Member Join Date: 2004 Location: USA Posts: 2,776 Thanks: 6,161 Thanked 2,625 Times in 1,763 Posts	Re: A Question for loyal members Share on: Host4Profit did report that they had system problems and had thought it was resolved. Then they found out it is still broken. (they think it is fixed now) Contact resellers(at)host4profit.net and get an accounting to be sure you are paid. Jeff I have answered the 'HostGator stuff' in a couple other threads. Please refer to those for the answer.
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15th Feb 2010, 11:29 AM	#10
luckystar HyperActive Warrior Join Date: 2008 Location: , , Nigeria. Posts: 201 Thanks: 11 Thanked 31 Times in 23 Posts	Re: A Question for loyal members Share on: Hello, The illustration of tree and it branch is the best description of PIP. I hope someone will stand and say yes i am making it but nobody rather there is references that other does. It is obvious that stone is making money with the influx of the newbies, therefore, the issue of parking up will not be considered. I so much believe in the principle of hard work and persistence. in fact, i have done so much to make it as PIP but all to no avail. The program is genuine but programmed for a certain group of marketers. My advice to any newbie is that never invest a dime in PIP because i did and worked hard to break even but couldn't. Try the free parts and build your self from it and proceed to affiliate marketing where you earn immediately after sale.
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17th Feb 2010, 04:39 PM	#11
Kanga Internet Marketer War Room Member Join Date: 2009 Location: Madrid-Spain Posts: 103 Thanks: 1 Thanked 13 Times in 12 Posts Blog Entries: 23	Re: A Question for loyal members Share on: Hi Isamarketer, I am not a pro, i have been here only for five months going six, i have not made money with any of the program but i am happy to be a Pip member in great part for the great learning curve one gets out off the training. That training has no price as far as i am concerned and then again i think the best way that a tree will give you its fruits is by planting it first and start taking care of it, so that it grows and produce the fruit which were already within the seed tree. The knowledge of the market is important in any business, yes; but the way it should be driven need training and practise. As for Internet Marketing, there is no other place such PIP. I am glad to be a Pip Owner. Cheers.