[rharri6]

I have seen many programs suggesting the use of Safelists for free advertising. I seems like its too easy to click the links without actually reading the emails or websites. Has anyone had any luck with safelists and if so which ones.

Thank you in advanced for your response.

[Enfusia]

I have used a few safe lists in the past with zero results. They were touted as the best not just by their owners but by other marketers.

My offers were really good. One was converting at over 3% from search traffic sales page and 11% squeeze.

But never worked for me.

You may stumble across the odd one that works but I used 3 if memory serves me with not one person added to my list.

Patrick

[BlondieWrites]

No, because everyone is advertising and no one is buying.




Cindy

[JulianKane]

Originally Posted by BlondieWrites

No, because everyone is advertising and no one is buying.

Cindy

It sounds funny but it's true, safe lists are garbage.

[cborgrx]

I only tried one and moment I signed up I had 50 to 75 emails from the members....which is what the startup literature said would happen....I couldn't handle it plus my normal mail so I had to stop right away.

[Jeff Casmer]

Hi,

My experience with safelists didnt turn out well but they do advise when signing up to get another email address for all the emails that you will get from other members.

Take care
Jeff Casmer

[Jason Fulton]

You're using them wrong if you're not getting any results.

Set up a squeeze page and send your safe list traffic to it. Being consistent and mailing every time it's available will give you results.

Safe lists are about building your list not selling products. I add double figure subscribers to my list per day sending constantly to safe lists.

[Allen Lundy]

Another great way to profit and build your list with safelists is to respond to all the junk mail you get in your "other" email account.

I like to find emails from individuals that are in my niches, and respond to them with questions to try and get some sort of response back.

I find if I actually take the time to "communicate" and not just sell, sell, sell, I can get some decent respones and results.

Remember, the majority of people using safelists are newbies as well, and they can and many times will show interest in YOUR product, if you attempt to have dialog with them and show that what you have to offer is of value and they can make money with it.

Has worked for me in the past. Good luck.

Allen

[trafficwave]

I've successfully used safelists to build my own lists.

The key for me has been to use a good landing page with a good headline, short copy, and a form they can fill out to request more information.

This allows them to request information and get back to clicking for credits.

My autoresponder is then able to follow up with more details.

If you're using a sales page (especially long copy) on a safelist, you're probably wasting your time. Try a good landing page with a capture form.

[Stephen Meyer]

Definitely open a new Gmail account. You will get a ton of email. It's part of the advertising plan and not spam and you will get a lot of it.

Like others have said don't try to use a long sales page. Use one of your PIPs landing pages found in your PIPs back office (http://www.pluginprofitsite.com/login/), upper left click marketing. There are 11 lead capture pages that have your email form in them. I personally like the ones that are centered and have a face or other picture in them. These will all send people directly to your Getresponse account and build your list.

Then let your pre-loaded autoresponder do the selling for you.

Building your list should be a top priority.

[hitmanpty]

I was a victim of this safelist. I even suscribe for a pay membership. wich deliver 3000 emails for me every 3 days with out me having to click in there ads for credit

at firs I click in my ads so i can get more credit. so more people can see my page. once I even get to 10000 email send. i get about 3% click true to my emails

you know how many pople I get from this so call advertising. after 3 weeks of constand email.

zero nada no body.
so if you are loking to get signups with solo ads. forget this garbege

after that I cancel my suscription dont make the same mistake I made

[waffle_pancakes]

It's best to build a quality list of your own by offering something valuable to the visitors. I've never been a fan of buying any kind of list from anyone.

[trafficwave]

Originally Posted by hitmanpty

at firs I click in my ads so i can get more credit. so more people can see my page. once I even get to 10000 email send. i get about 3% click true to my emails

A 3% click through on 10000 emails sent is 300 sets of eyeballs on your ad(s).

Looks to me like the safelist did work. That's what safelists do ... get people to look at your ad. The one you used got you 300 views.

I participate in a safelist myself. I get slightly less than 3% click throughs and some of those result in sales.

The job of the safelist is to get eyeballs on your ad.

The job of your ad is to convert those eyeballs in to sales or (better yet) subscribers to your list so you can follow up and close more sales.

[donnan]

Well, I am a member of 3 safelists and 2 of them have been great.

You have to have something very good that readers want but users do read your emails if the subject is right.

This week alone I have had very good pick up from 2 of the safelists I have been using. It's all in what you have to offer them.

[Nathy Curiel]

I use to own a credit based safelist. You have to use a credit based safelist to get results.

It's good for listbuilding using a squeeze page and aweber. And sell you stuff at the back end. Many big earners used safelist to build their list.

Use them smartly and can make some good results.

[rharri6]

Thanks for the advice. I definitely need to change my tactics.

[jinan]

Hi,
I'm totally a newbies and I agree that the most advertising medium that I used when I start online a few months ago is Traffic Exchange and Safelist.

Safelist to me is not really effective but definitely can bring you some traffic. If you want to use safelist, only use the one that in top rank according to Traffic Hoopla. The click generate is much better compare to new born safelist that still looking for members.

I suggest you go take a look at Traffic Hoopla top safelist.

And remember only use safelist to build list.

I'm going to test the PIPS lead pages provided to see the result. Hopefully can get subscriber. Well today is my first day using PIPS.

Bye

[nakkihillo]

Didin't really work for me.. It kinda depends what you are offering on those places i think.

[anwar001]

Originally Posted by Enfusia

I have used a few safe lists in the past with zero results. They were touted as the best not just by their owners but by other marketers.

My offers were really good. One was converting at over 3% from search traffic sales page and 11% squeeze.

But never worked for me.

You may stumble across the odd one that works but I used 3 if memory serves me with not one person added to my list.

Patrick

You might have been sending them directly to a salespage. Or else the offer you were promoting must have been a high priced one which might not have been suitable for safelist traffic.

Don't try to sell too soon, first capture their contact info and build yourself a nice list. And consistently mail whenever you have credits available.

Finally, reflect on the fact that most of these people are newbies who are interested in making money online. They don't know many of the things which you might help them with. Become their trusted friend and advisor, and they may open up to your suggestions and buy the products you recommend.

Make sure you only suggest good quality products which are newbie friendly and can help them start making at least small amount of money in a few months if they consistently follow the plan. Also make sure the products you are promoting are not highly priced.

[TopKat22]

I think the only time safelists work is when you pay to send something to their home email address and then the offer must be something that most of these safelisters want to buy.

I did this once and got over 3000 clicks to my link and 56 sales. However, it wasn't duplicatable (in other words, it didn't continue to work after the first time) and you have to pay per mailing. There are a lot cheaper and dependable ways to get prospects and sales than that.

[RizNicolas]

Originally Posted by trafficwave

The job of the safelist is to get eyeballs on your ad.

The job of your ad is to convert those eyeballs in to sales or (better yet) subscribers to your list so you can follow up and close more sales.

I agree... adding safelist subscribers can be advantageous for list building purposes. These susbscribers are used to clicking on ads and links and subscribing to lists, and with proper email follow up you will even make a few sales.

You can build your list pretty quickly by adding this to your list building strategy. And once you have a decent size list (even one full of safelist subscribers), you can then start doing ad swaps with other list owners to accelerate your list building efforts even further.

[Jeffery]

Oops, deleted, wrong place.

Jeffery 100% :-)

[rarnold]

Tried safelists and they are a waste of time. Beware if they want you to subscribe you will get 100's of emails, who has time for that.

[kcvan]

Safelists work well if you filter your email, then you'll be more organized if you need to click for credits. Also use great subject-lines, write unique subject-lines so you're not using the sames one that everyone else in your business is using. Also try bullet lists for the body of the ad. I've had a lot of high-paying signups for my main offer thru safelist ads, I'm subscribed to dozens of them and have all my incoming mail filtered. If you don't want to filter gmail, use Viral Inbox and set up all your new mailboxes first, and then subscribe to safelists using your Viral Inbox mailbox addresses, then all your safelist mail goes to your Viral Inbox dashboard at the VI site, and not to your personal email address.

[kolbywhite28]

Even if list building works for safelists, can they convert well?

[sitedesignadvisor]

As we are in the Pips forum. I want to say this.

Although we are all here promoting the same business. Plug in Profit. I can understand why it can be difficult for marketers, particularly new ones to know who to turn to for advice. The thing is one one hand Stone Evans says that safelist are a waste of time, and on the other hand Russell Brunson says they are great!

Mike Filsame built his initial list with safelists if I am not mistaken, and since I have been hard at work with the DotComsecrets part of the pips business I have taken a good look around and found that the same safelists still exist. Members in the DotComSecrets group are having excellent success with safelists. Building up lists of subscribers and sales too.

I think they do work, I have had success with them myself and am using them as an extra in my arsenal. It doesn't hurt.

The safelist we have these days are credits based, this is true. However I have found myself from time to time, stop to read the ad. If it is good or I find the video interesting or at least amusing I will read it.

Safelists, especially for opportunity seekers are a very targetted niche, and everyone within in is looking for the holy grail. Can't beat that for targetted marketing!

It was mentioned above that one way to reach out to these people is to contact them directly. This is true and it works. I was a part of an MLM company called Retire Quickly, you may have heard of it. I was taught to use thie method in safelists. Get the contact address of the people sending the emails, either their PayPal address or whatever and add them to your messenger and start to communicate!

Simple blasting don't work. Being a real person does.

[Jeffery]

Just be careful about sending anyone an unsolicited email or you put your online business at risk: your domain being banned, blacklisted and even your autoresponder account terminated! That is exactly how Mike Filsaime lost some of his early and best domains and his autoresponder. He commented with full disclosure on his blog years ago if you care to do your research. He was new at the time and learned the hard way.

Also, when Stone says something does not work well for PIPS I would take his advise seriously. He learned some things about safelists the hard way too.

You can't just come up with an idea and run with it these days. Due diligence first.

Jeffery 100% :-)

[Patrician]

Add to the warning message above, not to use your regular email address for a safelist.

Realize that by joining you have the right to send your ads to everybody in the user group or list.

However on the other side of that you are giving permission for every one of them to also send you their ads.

You will be bombarded with way too many ads and more than you will ever be able to read.

So get a free email address somewhere and use that for this purpose only.

If not you will get a rude surprise when you get flooded.

Back in 'the day' when I was using them the best ones came with 'self-flushing' email address - this was cool and told me so much about the process.

They can work but because of the volume EVERYONE on the list has, the value is limited because they will only look at a few and after a while they will probably not even look at all.

Much better to ALSO build your list from leads portals and your website opt-in form - yes it takes longer and more effort - but these are real people who are coming TO YOU directly - not just anonymous email addresses.

(again not saying safelists don't work, just not to make it your only effort).

"don't build your house on the sand".

[kolbywhite28]

I have another question. Are they actually worth the time? I saw in a case study that the user got almost 200 subscribers in one month but I'm not sure how much time he spent to get it.

If hours per day are needed to to get a couple of subscribers per day, then I guess going with solo ads, adswaps or some other channel would be a better option?

[Jeffery]

Originally Posted by kolbywhite28

I have another question. Are they actually worth the time? I saw in a case study that the user got almost 200 subscribers in one month but I'm not sure how much time he spent to get it.

If hours per day are needed to to get a couple of subscribers per day, then I guess going with solo ads, adswaps or some other channel would be a better option?

Good question and one of the most important questions when thinking about Safelist Marketing. The answer depends on a few basic factors to be honest.

It depends on the list and your offer and your skills. When the list is "warm" and your "offer" is relative and your "skills" in communication are compelling then..
Yes.. they are actually worth the time, i.e. return on on investment or ROI.
No.. they are not worth the time (ROI) when the list is cold, no incentive to follow through and no sense of "What is in it for me?"

Give you an example. My first purchase of a list was from a product developer. His own customers. Active customers. This is a VERY HOT LIST. The only reason I was offered the list was because the developer had health issues and could no longer develop his product, more less the support and his customers. He sincerely and seriously cared for his customers. All people for that fact. In the end he still owns the product, I continue to develop it and the list is huge.

The product does not make a lot of money to be honest, but the list itself makes a lot money. However, the product is necessary to the people who use it. There is only one reason why the list makes money and that is the additional offers for relative products and services and over the top customer care.

Safelist Marketing can be a double edged sword so it just depends on the "list, offer, and you skills" that will make it worth your time or not. The main reason it can be a double edged sword is when the list is scraped for email addresses and people are sent emails outside the scope of the safelist agreement. Its called SPAM! SPAM has the potential to cut you and competitors are just waiting for it. Just never listen to people who suggest scraping emails because they are not professionals. Also, if that was "how it is legally done" then all of the professionals would publicly be doing it.

So Yes.. when used professionally as most people here suggest then it is worth the time.



Jeffery 100% :-)

[CNETTLETON]

I had a PIPS a few years ago, I was very busy and paid for TCD and the coop to do the marketing for me. Has anyone here made any money with Stone Evans PIPS?? I currently work in the oil field and am getting back into MLM. I'm promoting the Body By Vi 90 day challenge, and was looking for marketing strategies and came across Why the 3% of Network Marketers Will Continue To Make More Money

Let me know what you think and interested to hear your experiences with the PIPS

Thanks
Chuck

[Geordie John]

My experience with safelists has been that it's easy to get lots of clicks, fairly easy to get opt-ins for something free, and virtually impossible to get a sale.

I am still sending out emails to safelists in an effort to drive traffic back to my websites, but the bounce rate has been kind of high and i'm not sure its helping anything like that...

i'm still testing and tweaking what i'm doing though...

[Lorenzo Basil]

The important thing when doing safe lists is to track the opt-in rates, you must know what converts and what doesn't, for the email handling you can use Viral Inbox and for the tracking you can use TE Toolbox or Traffic Zipper.

The good: targeted IM traffic
The bad: massive competence

You have to make every subject and email body VERY appealing, the squeeze simple, straight to the point and... madly irresistible.

[mysteryleaves]

I would suggest credit base type were the user has to click the link
to earn credits and hence will view your website, these types of safelists
you will better results.

[jonj31070]

Originally Posted by mysteryleaves

I would suggest credit base type were the user has to click the link
to earn credits and hence will view your website, these types of safelists
you will better results.

I agree. I am getting subscribers every day. The cool thing is that most of the subs are responsive to my other offers too. I HATE the amount of emails that I have to go through everyday, but that is all I pay for the subs is my time.

[AndreAyton]

Barely/Slightly works for me

[lissy12]

I'm a member of 6 or more safe lists and I haven't had any luck with any of them. I assume the reasoning being everyone is advertising and no one is buying!

[lissy12]

Thanks for the post I haven't heard of Traffic Hoopla, but I will definitely check it out.

[Ellrose]

Not very well.I have had a little success but hardly enough to get excited about.Just remember,even though your postings are being delivered to email addresses they are seldom adresses that are ever checked and when they are your post is buried among hundreds

[jeffreyaman]

Yes, they do work in large volume. Believe it or not, traffic exchanges also work
in large volume. It's true that people are there advertising as well, but they are
also already actively attempting an online business, and open to new
opportunities. The key is to try to be as unique as possible to stand out from the
rest of the crowd.

1. Use a splash or capture page. (long form sales letters do not work)
2. Credit based safelists work better
3. High priced products generally won't convert
4. Volume is key.. Don't join and send to one safelist and expect huge results. Join multiple

[jaypyoung]

They work with large volume as jeff points out. But your conversions just to a splash page will be around 1-2% compared to a solo which converts at 30-50%. They are cheap and nasty and outdated in my opinion but you might grab 1 or 2 sales a month, year so are they worth it? Outsourcing might be the go

[deehunts]

I've had great success with safelist. I see there are a lot of mixed reviews, but like many warriors have said, the purpose is to get people to view your offer. A landing page is a must have for safelist marketing though. Makes sure you have a complete sales funnel and you will see some results. The more safelist you join and CONSISTENTLY use, the more results you will see. I have done a review of an effective way to use safelist to market your business.

How To Effectively Market With Safelist

[uriegas52]

In some cases Safelist do work , but to many sellers and no buyers reason being alot of people are selling also the same thing. But if you have a unique niche then you stand a better chance of making your saflist work for you. To you success.

[Demand Emb]

i got involved with safelists and joined 4. Fortunately, I opened another email account and before I could even post anything myself, I suddenly found I had no less than 3500 emails in my inbox. It took me a full day to delete them all. Have decided that now I will stick to the advertising forums recommended by PIPS. Atleast I know they will work.

[jcinqmars]

Hey Guys,

Safelists work! #1 source for targeted leads in my online businesses

I have been reading over this thread. It seems that the responses that safelists don't work are coming from those attempting to "sell" their product, service, MLM or business.

NEVER do that, because you are 100% correct that will not work, HOWEVER, your goal should not be to sell something, it should be to always be building your list. Without a solid list of 1000s you will struggle online.

If done properly through list mastery techniques; your list should be worth roughly $1 per subscriber.

Safelists ABSOLUTELY DO work and can generate 100s of targeted leads every month. This is certainly not a simple method, but it is easy. I use safelists exclusively to build my lists every day and always adding to my list has lead me to having more prospects for my businesses, products and services.

[Patrician]

That's great jcinqmars.

However while you are saying what not to do (sell) you are not really helping because you don't give even an example what they should do instead of selling to build their list with the safelist technique.

[dmarc]

They can and do work. Make sure you aren't promoting the same stuff as everyone else: affiliate programs, feeder matrixes, other safelists. Those may as well be blank ads.

Promote your squeeze page offering a UNIQUE freebie that will be useful to a safelist audience. Something that will help them improve their current business, rather than a new venture all together. Remember who the audience is and why they are there. They are trying to grow their business in one way or another. Offer them a way to do this with a freebie. If you've got a good sales funnel, you can even make some money on the back end.

Also, don't worry that your emails will get lost in the flood of safelist emails that are likely ending up an an inbox of an address used specifically to receive the massive amounts of safelist junk. Many safelists show the total member count as well as the upgraded member count. You'll see that there usually aren't many upgraded members. What does this mean? Most of the active users are reading emails on the site, click links, viewing pages, etc. in order to earn credits to post their own ads. Your ad WILL get seen this way.

There are a ton of decent sized safelists that allow you to add banners, buttons, text-links, and more. You don't have to rely on people opening your email in their inbox, as these sites provide many other opportunities for exposure.

List Hoopla regularly provides stats and rankings for various SLs, TEs, etc.

A little Googling and you can find promo codes for tons of free credits.

Are safelists the most effective form of advertising? No, certainly not. But they can be useful and they can produce good results, especially when it comes to opt-ins, and they can even produce some sales on the back-end. Once you've set up your advertising on one or two safelists, it should take you very little time to set it up on others, as most use the same few templates.

It drives me crazy when people write them off completely. If you market the right things in the right ways, they can definitely be effective.

[Tom Geo]

Hi i have never tried to use them,

thanks for all the above information

[davehayes]

This thread got my attention, because at one time, a good few years ago, I swore by them, though how many actually worked is debtateable. Viral URL was a good one, and got me a lot of business and good conversions as well.

However as others have pointed out in this thread, I don't think they provide a good source of traffic at all, simply because, everyone is trying to sell and no one is buying, which defeats the object of networking I guess. Personally, I would go for your own blog, with unique content, especially as google is/has tightened right up on affiliate links.

Blogs, articles and forums are a good way to drive traffic, this forum obviously being one good place to use.

Applied Education is the difference

[duf1310]

Originally Posted by Allen Lundy

Another great way to profit and build your list with safelists is to respond to all the junk mail you get in your "other" email account.

I like to find emails from individuals that are in my niches, and respond to them with questions to try and get some sort of response back.

I find if I actually take the time to "communicate" and not just sell, sell, sell, I can get some decent respones and results.

Remember, the majority of people using safelists are newbies as well, and they can and many times will show interest in YOUR product, if you attempt to have dialog with them and show that what you have to offer is of value and they can make money with it.

Has worked for me in the past. Good luck.

Allen

I do the same thing but not with safelist. I opt-in to people's squeeze pages and communicate with them and when the time is right, I give them my offer. Even if they don't take my offer, I still keep in contact with them. Remember, people join new business all the time after 3 months or so of joining their biz op.