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Unread 20th Jan 2011, 10:46 AM   #1
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Hello,

Is there any Plug-In Profit Site member here who is also a Nigerian?

I've heard there are some payment obstacles for some Nigerians in getting started in this business and I'd like to understand those better so I can create a resource for other potential Nigerian members to get started.

If you are a Plug-In Profit Site member, and Nigerian, please post here so we can communicate about this. Let me know you're experience in getting started and if you've experienced any obstacles - and how you were able to overcome them.

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We actually do receive a lot of inquiries from Nigeria and have for years (and actually have some Nigerian members).

One solution I have arrived at is to have them get an AlertPay.com account as they do business in Nigeria. It is free and works like Paypal.

I have also encouraged some of our partners to accept AlertPay and they have done so.

The main problem IS with Paypal - most of the companies that still use it also have alternatives.

All that is necessary for anyone from anywhere is to have a credit card or a bank account to tie to AlertPay (or Paypal in some cases).

It seems in South Africa a lot of people use Western Union and some other card that sounds something like Graph card which I don't think are used in the US (and nobody uses Western Union - WIRES).

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One solution I have arrived at is to have them get an AlertPay.com account as they do business in Nigeria. It is free and works like Paypal.
I am a Nigerian and can confirm that the major hurdle we face is the inability to have access to Paypal which is required by most of the major merchants(E-Commerce sites) such as Clickbank. These sites require solely, the use of Paypal or credit/debit cards routed through Paypal which effectively still means you must have a Paypal account.

Hitherto, that may not be PIPS problem as Clickbank was not one of the PIPS listed programs. But i recollect sometime ago, Clickbank was introduced officially as one of PIPS programs. However, since the exclusion of Nigerians from Paypal is not the making of PIPS, one is not laying the blame on PIPS table. I am merely responding to the question Stone asked regarding the problem we are facing.

AlertPay which may serve only a few of the minor programs and services and certainly not Clickbank, is also currently not receptive to Nigerians. I tried opening an account with them and was declined.

I for one am trying to make the best of the available business opportunities that do not have such restrictions against Nigerians.

The other payment obstacle which new members from Nigeria may be talking about may be with SFI which in earlier years accepted credit/debit cards from Nigerians but is no longer doing so. However, there is a way out of that as i currently use CashU card which is quite convenient(though at higher costs) and acceptable to SFI.

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Just to update my earlier post.

Following this post, i tried to sign up again for AlertPay and surprisingly was registered. However, as i said earlier, this is useful for only a few minor programs and services.

I now recollect it was one of the alternatives to Clickbank, can't recollect which one now that i tried to sign up for and was declined(i.e. Not AlertPay)

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Dele - good - I know Alert Pay accepts Nigeria so I guess something else about your application failed - so glad you can now use it.

Clickbank has nothing to do with AlertPay -

"I now recollect it was one of the alternatives to Clickbank, can't recollect which one now that i tried to sign up for and was declined."

ClickBank has nothing to do with PIPS. However I see what you are saying here and we have often promoted various ClickBank products and it is a shame our members could not participate. It is a good way to make one time sales while building your residual income.

Many countries can't use ClickBank - believe me it is not just Nigeria.

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Thank you all for your observations.

I am new to this forum and this is my first post. I am a Nigerian and my PIPS website is barely a week old. I knew about, and was convinced about PIPS, since 2005 but payment methods and how to receive my commissions in Nigeria kept me from joining.

I invested a lot of money and time in trying to circumvent this problem. It was not easy. This is the summary of my experience:

GDI accepts Dollar Mastercard and Visacard from Nigerian Banks. I tried to register with the local debit Mastercard and they just wrote me yesterday that payment was declined by the issuer. I want to give it one more try and, if the payment is still declined, I will pay with my Dollar Mastercard

MWP placed restriction on my dollar credit card until I faxed over scan of the front and back of the credit card and a scan copy of a gov't issued Identification Card.

The same experience with TrafficWave. However, TrafficWave accepted and processed the Local debit Mastercard in our local currency. Conversion was done automatically. This a great relief because I did not have to source for dollars at the black market.

The issuers of the Local Debit Mastercard are presently pushing for universal acceptance of the card wherever the Mastercard Logo is displayed. They 've been collecting addresses of websites that refuse their cards to follow up. I believe that there will a breakthrough in the future.

Hostgator accepts the dollar credit card with some proviso - scan copy of credit card.

I was able to open and verify an account with Alertpay using my dollar Mastercard - however I have to call the issuing bank rep to look up for me the amount deducted in Pound Sterling. A taxing ordeal I must say. The local debit Mastercard was refused

Nigerians can participate in Clickbank by going through Graphcard. You can get a virtual US address and Phone No. from them and they will receive and cash your clickbank affiliate cheques for you. I am not particularly thrilled to use Graphcard because of the multiple fees one pays to both Graphcard and VTN, their approved payment partner. Also, they take a percentage of your clickbank commissions. This quickly adds up

Paypal is still the greatest obstacle Nigerians are facing. A great many merchants use only PalPal. Nigerians are effectively cut off. There is a way to circumvent this problem but it is quite circuitous. It works. Anyone that wants the detail can contact me privately.

In summary I will say that the belief that Nigerians are scammers have negatively affected the fortunes of the honest ones like me who want to genuinely make money online through legitimate means. However, with the great advances in encryption and Mastercard and Visacard determination to break into the Nigerian Market (we are big spenders), I am sure that Nigerians will soon have some succour.

By being diligent I was able to register for all the current programs in PIPS. I am currently creating a page to specifically address this Nigerian Problem and help other Nigerians partake in PIPS.

But my problem is far from over. I want to upgrade my PIPS website before I begin to promote it. I now discover that Pipsitehelp.com services are purchased through clickbank. I wrote to their support for an alternative payment option but, so far, I am yet to get any reply from them. This has seriously hampered my online initiative. I find the website provided by Stone to be too basic. I welcome any suggestions or help on how I can solve this problem so that my business will take off.

Thank you all for taking time to read this rather long post.

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Hi all, I just discovered that the link in my signature is not complete. I have corrected it.

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Hello, I am about joining the pips program, but the mode of payment of MWP, GDI, and Hostgator still delayed me from partcipating in this program.
But I heard of some online e-solutins payment that can help me pay for this services and charge certain amount of fee for this service.
Before joining, please can anyone encourage me to partake in this pips program, will ie be more advanbtaegous to me as a Nigerian and also a newbie in online business.

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Stone,

I think you should email all those companies and ask them for a better and easier way for Nigerians to join and pay.

Then when you do that, you should create a page for them so that they can easily register.

When someone has difficulties paying for these memberships, they will leave and never come back to PIPS.

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Originally Posted by emmaport View Post

Hi all, I just discovered that the link in my signature is not complete. I have corrected it.
Hi - Your site is suspended and you need to contact HostGator to find out what the problem is. (click your signature to see what I mean).

I regret the difficulty that Nigerians face with doing online business. I have long felt that it is not fair to the majority of Nigerians who are honest people just trying to make some money like everybody else.

We do have Nigerian members who have found a way to join most of the programs in PIPS. Hopefully some will speak up.

Stone has no involvement in confidential financial transactions between any member and any other merchant. Each company is a private entity with their own protocols.

While we know that the vast majority of Nigerians are honest people and again we regret the difficulties they have, there are a few points.

When I have spoken to Paypal about this their answer was that Nigeria had not authorized them to do business in Nigeria - so according to them that is the problem.

However the problem that is universal is that the '419 Conspiracy', which used to be called 'The Nigerian Conspiracy' started probably before Internet business, has stolen and defrauded US financial systems of millions and millions of dollars through identity theft and etc.

Unfortunately they are quite adept at what they do and the fraud is so wide-spread (especially with the advent of the Internet) that the only way that businesses can protect themselves is to just have a blanket refusal to do business with Nigeria.

It is not only Nigeria and they have spread out all over the world -- as well as the fact that there are other countries who have a very high percentage of fraudulent transactions against the US and the Internet and you will find those countries are also refused business with various online payment processors.

Again, I regret this and know there are honest and good people in Nigeria who are the victims of the crooks as much as their victims.

I remember when working in corporate banking way back in the 1980's being given literature on the 419 conspiracy when it was primarily directed only at banks - so this is nothing new except that now they have the Internet to prey on businesses - and computer technology to prey on individuals by stealing their identities (credit card numbers, social security, etc.).

You may not realize this - that although most of the time an individual who is defrauded through their credit card is refunded their money by the bank, businesses still have to pay all the bank fees for returned items and other charges - and they are never refunded.

This really amounts to thousands and thousands of dollars lost by businesses (some times a returned item can have $25-$50 of bank fees - when you multiply that by hundreds of fraudulent transactions, you are talking about bankrupting the business) -

So you need to understand #1 it is nothing personal, and #2 it is necessary for them to protect themselves. It is regrettable and no business likes leaving money on the table - however the risk far outweighs that fact.

At this point I would say the majority of international transactions (from any country outside the US) have protective measures such as scanning the card, ID, etc. to protect both the consumers who are having their identities stolen as well as the businesses.

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Hello Patricia, I appreciate your concern in geting involved in online business, and I understand the blackliting of Nigerian from partcipating in online business, but the truth is that they can stil give Nigeria and othe countries trial, the point is that there is no country without defaulters and it's own fraudsters.

Let's believe paypal does not accept us, but all these online business oppotunites owners that want Nigerian to particpate can use alertpay as anothe payment option to enable paypal blacklisted countries to participate.

I appreciate the courage Traffic wave and SFI had taken to include alertpay as another means of paymnet. If you notice GDI, they only pay commission through alertpay but they don't accept membership fee through alertpay, I have mailed them several times to accept alert pay as alternate way of making payment, but they refused.

My appeal is this, any online business oppotunites that is going to list Nigeria and other as a country that can benefit from it program should also list payment options that is accepted in Nigeria as means of bothe subscribing and means of receiving its commision, like alertpay and libert reserve
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There has been some hiccups with adding AlertPay for the new PIPS Co-op - Stone is still working on it.

As for PIPSiteHelp services - please contact Darren via email support(at)pipsitehelp.com

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Hi Patrician,

Thanks for the concern shown to Nigerian. Payment problems have all been stated above. They're just one step solution. It will be better to provide a comprehensive solution as SFI. SFI has solved this problem thro the use of Alternative payment processing, pay online without a credit card. PayByCashâ„¢. PayByCash provides you to to pay via Ultimate Game Card™, Bank Transfer, Boleto Bancário, BPay, Cash (through the mail), cashU, CertaPay (Interac), Check (by fax), Click2Pay, Debit Card (via IPS), Direct Debit, Easecard, eCheck (one-time direct debit), eNets, EPS, Ficha RAP by ACTeCASH, GiroPay, Google Checkout, hyperWallet, iDEAL, ING Home’Pay, INOCard, InstaDebit, Mister Cash, Mobillcash -- mobile phone billing, MOLePoints, Money Order or Cashiers Check by Mail, Moneybookers, Moneymail, myCitadel Wallet, PayGNN, Paymate, PayPal, PayPoint, paysafecard, Pecunix, RuPay, Snap, Th!s, Todito Card, TravelersExpress MoneyGram, UAH iMoney, UDPay, Ukash, Wallie-card, WebMoney Transfer, Western Union QuickPay, Yandex Money, for so many countries. Nigeria also included for some these services. We in Nigeria will be very grateful for this. Thank you.
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The difficulty with paypal does not surprise me. I recently tried to use paypal away from my normal zip code, and they froze my account instantly. To get it back I was not able to simply call, but rather had to go through 6 steps of ID verification. This to me is not good for the user.

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Hello guys, I am not ashamed to say that I have been put-off from doing online marketing and sales with the lack of a suitable payment processor for Nigeria. However, I would like to know your thoughts on VirtaPay. I joined the program and it seems to me that their philosophy is; if enough people join their platform and are willing to buy and sell using their currency they will succeed with their business plan.

Personally, I think this makes sense. However, a search on Google will show many people calling it a scam for reasons that are not too clear. What do you guys think?
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I am a Nigeria and have been with PIP for over three years now. The specific area i would love this company to help people from my country is to work out a way that Paypal can be used in Nigeria successfully. Stone have been capable of negotiating with big companies online for the benefit of its members.

Obviously, Paypal blacklisted Nigeria and a few other country due to its high internet crime rate.

A few months back, i worked with an American who taught me the act of back linking in a professional way. One of my major issues with actualizing my trainings successfully was acquiring the right IM tool which were all rooted through paypal or clickbank. He even had to buy some tools for me.

He made mention of something that still kept me wondering. He said he has done a lot of research about internet scams and discovered that Nigeria holds nothing against the U.S. When it comes to internet fraud U.S still leds yet Paypal and Clickbank operate fully in this country. He also said, if i we to be in U.S, we will raise the roof until they hear us out.

What i see in this whole ungodly act is young desperate internet entrepreneurs who have been denied of the chance to compete with their competitors favorably and also help build our businesses online like PIPs.

Personally, i mailed Paypal with this findings and urging them to revert their old ways. Of course, i got a mail from them promising to expand in the near future and that maybe after we are all gone to the dust.

Stone can still do special arrangement with Paypal or Clickbank, any of this is going to be great. Maybe only people who sign up for PIPs will have the golden chance to operate Paypal or Clickbank from Nigeria just like how its easier to sign up for Adsense through Blogger.

I stay out of anything that has to do with Paypal or Clickbank and make use of only a master debit card.

Nigerians can get an intl master debit card of $100 from Zenith Bank of Nigeria with no insane or monthly maintenance charges. You can even load this card with more than $100 if you choose.
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For your information - I spoke to Paypal customer service about this issue years ago and what I was told is that it is the Nigerian government - or the government in any country that does not specifically license or give Paypal permission to do business in that country that is the issue -- although other companies do blacklist a region where there is a disproportionate amount of fraud against US banking institutions.

(before the Internet I worked in corporate banking - and we all were versed on the 'Nigerian Conspiracy' which is now known as 'the 419 Conspiracy' - these folks had their motto and purpose to overthrow specifically the United States economy and financial institutions - and they did a pretty good job of it and have robbed and defrauded millions and millions of dollars) - now they are on the internet.

Yes we have crooks in the USA - plenty of them - and I do not feel it is fair to persecute innocent Nigerians because of the 419 gang - however again, the percentages are against you. Not to mention that we will put our citizens in jail if we catch them, but have little hope of ever seeing anybody in Nigerian fraud ever being caught because we do not have the cooperation of the Nigerian government.

You can't really blame people for trying to protect themselves - when there is 'funny business' you may not realize it but the companies pay hefty fines and fees to the banks for returned payments, etc. The card holders are usually reimbursed by the credit card companies - but nobody reimburses the businesses for the bank fees which can add up to thousands of dollars a year.

Further, Stone has zero power with Paypal and ClickBank - he is just an affiliate the same way anybody else is - being 'super' or having high volume does not have any punch to big monopolies like these two -

I have suggested to all Nigerians that ask that they get an AlertPay account from alertpay.com - they do business in Nigeria - and this works almost exactly the same as Paypal - where you can link a bank account and/or credit card to the account so that you can make purchases online.

Not as many companies use AlertPay as they do Paypal but it is getting more and more as we get used to the 'global' idea that companies realize they are leaving money on the table if they do not provide alternative options.

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Online Payment systems that works in Nigeria
Not all online payment methods available that will be suitable for Nigeria but after doing a bit of research, I have found out that these ones would be operational for a Nigerian audience and/or if you intend receiving money online in Nigeria:
- AlertPay
- Liberty Reserve
- 2checkout
- FASTECASH
- VTN
- Softpurse
Apart from Alertpay, Liberty reserve(Lr) and 2checkout which is owned by foreign bigger companies, the others are owned to Nigerian companies and their trading currency is in the naira.
Alertpay, Liberty Reserve and 2checkout
One good thing about Alertpay is that it uses Instant Payment notification to alert you or your ipn handler that a payment has been made and you could use it to update your inventory as well as send an email(behind the scenes) to your buyer. Liberty reserve also does something like that and you could confirm if a payment actually has been made between the two before even fulfilling any online order assuming you are selling digital and instantly downloadable items. The main currency with which your account will be domiciled is in the US dollars and for Alertpay, you could withdraw to your Nigerian domicilliary account. Withdrawing from Liberty reserve is also quite easy as you could do that using any of the available LR exchangers in Nigeria who would buy your LR dollar for a naira deposit in your bank account. Alerpay and 2checkout also affords you teh ability to receive payments not just from account holders but also from credit card holders who may want to pay you with their credit cards. But in setting an Alertpay credit card platform, you would have to submit your website for verification and approval. Also it appears credit card users from Nigeria would have to verify their credit cards once for a start before they begin using it on your proposed website.
Fastecash, VTN and Softpurse
These ones hold your ecurrency in the naira and you could easily make payments and withdrawals by just using your bank account. It allows you to receive money from members who hold accounts with the same processor. One thing I like about Fastecash is that it also uses an IPN once you receive payment thus enabling you to satisfy customer's virtual purchases using an ipn handler. I have not used Softpurse yet but it is also a growing means of online payment in Nigeria especially among recharge card online vendors. VTN can be used also for sending and receiving naira online and is also allows you to fund your Graphcard account which could be used for a lot of purposes such as a virtual credit card


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Hello guys, am proudly Nigerian and just want to contribute my own quota to this topic about us.. It has been pretty hard doing business online without services like PayPal and clickbank in our favor, but nevertheless we try to cope and we are coping but it would have been much better with PayPal on our side... My fellow mates here in Nigeria uses PayPal very well through some tunneling channnels but to me i dare not to risk cos if they detect it, i have no documents to prove it, and wouldn't want to loose ma hard earned cash to a payment processor... We try our best to maximize the chances we are given as a Nigerian.... No real jobs online that pays via LR, its all limited to paypal which sucks. Thanks
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I registered for Pips and today is my 3rd week and i must confess i don't feel like a newbie. Still getting to know the system and finding my way arround.

All the problems noted by my fellow Nigerians stand affirmed. I had to go through a third party merchant and paid double the price not to talk of the stress before purchase was made. It is discouraging for people who want to try out the system. For me i had to wait 4months before i opted for a local payment merchant to pay for me.

If there is anything that can be done, the earlier the better because alot of Nigerians are getting more interested in making money on the internet and i think this is the best place for a beginner to launch their campaign. Still test driving though i can confidently say i am ready to make money on the internet.

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There are quite a few valid suggestions in this thread about alternative options for Nigerians.

It is really a political issue that according to Paypal is about the government - and no doubt the inability of prosecuting fraud off shore in a country that won't do anything to help.

If you read what I wrote above, I feel sorry about the honest Nigerian folks that want to do business on the Internet and it is just not fair to paint everybody there as a 419 con artist. I really hope more options will open up for them.

It would really help if more merchants would use AlertPay and 2CheckOut - they are both reputable, free and both allow Nigeria.

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Hello fellow Nigerians, it has not been easy doing business online because all business boiled down to how the cash will get to our pockets, which has been very difficult.

As Patricia rightly said, it is political or it is the duty of our government to liberalize all hiccups we are facing in online business.

It is a pity that we are governed by people that are outdated ICT and internet wise.

A way out is to join the association of information marketers of Nigeria, which has been making move to get things easy for Nigerians online.

You can go to aim-nigeria.org to get registered so that we will have stronger voice in championing our course.

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Originally Posted by wikifiki View Post

Hello guys, I am not ashamed to say that I have been put-off from doing online marketing and sales with the lack of a suitable payment processor for Nigeria. However, I would like to know your thoughts on VirtaPay. I joined the program and it seems to me that their philosophy is; if enough people join their platform and are willing to buy and sell using their currency they will succeed with their business plan.

Personally, I think this makes sense. However, a search on Google will show many people calling it a scam for reasons that are not too clear. What do you guys think?
Hi Wikifiki, I'm Nigerian as well but based in London so I'm able to use paypal without issues. However I feel your pain because I have been thinking of getting some students in Nigeria but then I realised that paypal and clickbank didn't list Nigeria. Sad!!
I did a check on VirtaPay. While I don't think they are a fraud based on the reviews I saw, I would advice caution before using them. Reason is they are new and not yet tested. Also they used to be called PayBox so you might wanna check out why they changed their name.
Some alternatives for Nigeria are mentioned on this thread. You might also wanna check out Plimus.com

Check this link out: Please Help. Who Uses Plimus Here - Nairaland

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I resently sent a message to Stone complaining about this issue and am happy that it is been discussed here.

when I came across the PIPS, I was very exited because they were accepting payments with credit card though I couldnt pay for 'my world plus'.

suddenly I felt rejected again when I tried to sign up for the pips co-op, a service provided by Stone himself guess what I discovered? another "paypal only option"

like pat have continually mentioned, that the issue of paypal in Nigeria is political, if that is true, then it will not get fixed sooner or later, so, solving this political problem at the monent is not a quick option.

what I suggest is that Stone negotiate with all those companies that are involved with pips to introduce payment options that support payment to and from Nigeria and we will never complain again.

some of this issues stand on our way and prevent us from effectively marketing our business locally.

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Sorry - again - Stone has no control over any other program other than PIPS.

As I probably mentioned we tried to set up Alertpay for the Co-op and ran into a technical glitch that will prevent us from using it. (not sure what exactly but still looking for other options).

I don't understand why Paypal told me it is political - that in fact it is the Nigerian government that does not give permission for Paypal to do business there.

It may be a nice way of saying that most companies on the Internet have been ripped off by the 419 Conspiracy (originally called the "Nigerian Conspiracy" and are now afraid of further losses.)

In fact before I ever heard of the Internet decades ago working in banking that group of people was busy at work trying to rip off credit cards - they have a long history of doing harm against others financially.

... and again, I know it is not fair to all the majority of innocent Nigerians - unfortunately you are their victims as well as the other innocent people and businesses that have lost money to these thieves. I hope there is a special place in hell for them for all the harm they have caused others.

... so please don't expect Stone to solve this huge problem. Believe me if he could, he would.

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Hi Wikifiki,
It is clear that Virtapay is currently being tested.
A new card is in preparation for premium members, after a meeting of Beta testing.
As mentioned in the Virtapay newsletter.
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