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Hi,
I'm wondering if anyone has used SFI's SBuilder Co-op, and if so was it helpful?

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Hi CWStock

I have used SFI's Site Builder Co-op a couple of times and I have been allocated between 35- 50 people each time.
This isn't a bad return, however most of these have come from the Asian sub-continent. So while you can build quite a huge down-line quickly using the S-Builder and these recruits reach Executive status in the first month, through obtaining 1500 VP answering questions, inevitably they don’t reach this status when they have to upgrade thereafter.
If you are lucky you could get one EA every 2-3 S-Builders you do, if you are lucky! Hope this helps.
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Hello,

I have heard of that scenario as well that alot of affiliates are coming from Asia and India and most if not all are not willing to upgrade.

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If you want to use a coop then use Jeff Casmer's if he is still offering it.

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I have heard of that scenario as well that alot of affiliates are coming from Asia and India and most if not all are not willing to upgrade.

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What does it imply "most of them come from Asia and India"?

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Hi Goleza,

From my experience in SFI for over 10 years there is a high percentage of affiliates from Asia and India that are willing to join SFI (as its free) but not willing to invest in their business (meaning upgrade). A term often referred to as "tire kickers". There are "tire kickers" everywhere in the world for any home business as thats the nature of the beast. People are curious, join, realize they have to work the business and upgrade. When they figure out they have to upgrade to make any money in SFI they just dont. This could be due to economic factors or any number of reasons.

This is not ALL affiliates of course from those areas of the world as there are exceptions to the rule but a higher percentage....its just from my 10 years of experience and having recruited close to 10000 (probably more) affiliates over that time span.

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I tried it once, late last year. It gave me 3 affiliates. Lucky I am, one of them, from Russian Federation, placed an SO (EA Standing Order) that is still active up to now. And he also tried PIPS! For me, it's worth it. I am planning to invest on S-Builder again, soon...

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Hi Gomer,

Consider yourself very fortunate that 1 out 3 upgraded. Why didnt you stick with it then if I may ask? You only received 3 affiliates? Not good but outstanding that 1 our of those 3 upgraded.

That is not the norm even for some of the best SFI recruiters. PIPS does help convert SFI affiliates into upgrades.

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Hi Gomer,

Consider yourself very fortunate that 1 out 3 upgraded. Why didnt you stick with it then if I may ask? You only received 3 affiliates? Not good but outstanding that 1 our of those 3 upgraded.

That is not the norm even for some of the best SFI recruiters. PIPS does help convert SFI affiliates into upgrades.

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I think the reason why I did not invest consistently in S-Builder is because I am in a tight budget and binding myself for long term spending in something that does not guarantee good result will put me on a very risky position. So, I treated it out like betting in a Casino. When you feel you're lucky, get in, invest some extra cash, and when you win some, be contented with it and get out, then come back later when you feel like you're lucky again.

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As someone who is building a business with limited budget, I prioritize using free methods of acquiring new affiliates to my downline team over paid ones. I am using traffic exchange, local free classifieds websites, and forum sites in recruiting new affiliates. I only use paid methods like S-Builder when there's extra cash. Most of the time, I stick with free methods.

Honestly, the only strong reason why I still want to invest in S-Builder from time to time is, with the free methods that I am using right now, all I am getting are local recruits (Filipinos). And you're right in your discussion up there, that most Asians are tire-kickers. Even if I issue them Gift Certificate to encourage buying and upgrading, only few are taking action. With S-Builder, it gives me an opportunity to have recruits from other side of the world, like US and Europe, which I think are more open to the idea of online shopping (if you get lucky to get some affiliates from these continents). I have no luck in recruiting "whites" personally. I don't know why. Maybe the Western people don't usually join under Asian people in network marketing. With SFI's S-Builder, I am able to have "white" downlines, and "paying" downlines.

But I am not giving up with our local affiliates here. Until now, I am still thinking how can I improve my rates with them. Maybe a little more experiments, or a little more relationship building is needed.

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Just want to thank everyone for their response. I feel like I'm in a jungle with no machete!
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I was looking at getting a Standing Order on SFI and was looking for that "Bang For The Buck" factor, as I don't have alot of bucks.
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As Jeff, says SFI is hard work, with plenty of tyre Kickers. I tried it and worked it hard for 18 Months, with 0 return on it. I have found a far better source which is attached to my signature file, incredibly Viral & better return, with two pay days a month!

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Hi Dave,

Did you really try SFI or just looking for a way to post? LOL

Anyway...I am going to get an old PIPS guy in here and share with what he does that is working for him...

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Originally Posted by Jeff Casmer View Post

Hi Goleza,

From my experience in SFI for over 10 years there is a high percentage of affiliates from Asia and India that are willing to join SFI (as its free) but not willing to invest in their business (meaning upgrade). A term often referred to as "tire kickers". There are "tire kickers" everywhere in the world for any home business as thats the nature of the beast. People are curious, join, realize they have to work the business and upgrade. When they figure out they have to upgrade to make any money in SFI they just dont. This could be due to economic factors or any number of reasons.

This is not ALL affiliates of course from those areas of the world as there are exceptions to the rule but a higher percentage....its just from my 10 years of experience and having recruited close to 10000 (probably more) affiliates over that time span.

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Thank you Jeff for that elaborate answer but I think it's mainly because of financial issues. I have always thought that newbies do not really get to first understand how the program works. And many times, even their sponsors do not help them out. For instance, my sponsor in SFI, a senior warrior here, has never even said "hello" to me. I just helped myself to understand how things are done by committing a lot of time to read the litterature. I spent the first month doing nothing and it's only in the second month that I started to understand. But that wasn't because I was a "tire kicker". It was because I had not known anything. Not many people can read to understand like me, especially if English is not their first language.

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Originally Posted by goleza View Post

Thank you Jeff for that elaborate answer but I think it's mainly because of financial issues. I have always thought that newbies do not really get to first understand how the program works. And many times, even their sponsors do not help them out. For instance, my sponsor in SFI, a senior warrior here, has never even said "hello" to me. I just helped myself to understand how things are done by committing a lot of time to read the litterature. I spent the first month doing nothing and it's only in the second month that I started to understand. But that wasn't because I was a "tire kicker". It was because I had not known anything. Not many people can read to understand like me, especially if English is not their first language.
Really? Your upline sponsor in SFI who is a senior warrior here has never even said "hello" to you?

We have the same experience. I was just awarded to my lucky upline sponsor...

I envy those uplines. Sometimes, I wonder why is it, uplines who are viewed irresponsible to their downlines are successful and are often seen in the leaderboards, while we, rising stars who are very eager to help newbies, most of the time we only get tire-kickers?

Are they intentionally not minding their downlines? So, neglected, we will learn to move on our own? :confused:

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Hi,

The answer is simple. They refer enough affiliates each month so they dont need to communicate with them. They get enough to upgrade each month on their own without doing any real work.

When I first started with SFI and before PIPS I was in contact with every affiliate to open communication lines and give additional training because I treated every affiliate as "gold".

The real heavy hitters recruit so many they dont need to do that

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I'll chime in here although I don't and have not used the SFI CO-Op. If I was to use a CO-OP it would be Jeff's (if it's still offered).

When I first started my SFI sponsor was a heavy hitter and an avid forum poster, haven't seen him here in a long time. I also thought he should contact me to offer help. As time has passed I started to understand why he didn't. It's much more than just not having to do that, people who do a lot of recruiting simply don't have the time to contact and help everyone. If they did they would never get anything done and would not be able to recruit.

There's an old saying, "There's room at the top but there aren't any chairs". In other words there's not much time for relaxing. The top recruiters do not have much time. Instead many create an autoresponder series to help newbies along. SFI also has a series of emails they send out. The emails you get from your recruiter and from SFI really are your key to making the program work. But, you have to be willing to work it.

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Hello,

Stephen is correct. Unlike MyWorldPlus which has an excellent follow up system, many people with SFI set up a series of training emails using their autoresponder to compliment what SFI sends out and really focuses on helping their affiliates undertand SFI and make money.

I am waiting to hear back from an old PIPSter to comment in here that uses my SFI Co-op to reward their teammates efforts and uses incentives to get affiliates to upgrade. He has several upgrades this month in SFI

You can use whatever method you want to gain affiliates. Leveraging those affiliates to maximize profit and build your team is the key.

Nothing against Stone but he is my SFI sponsor and I have not heard from him (through SFI) in over 5 years. I understand why If I need to reach him I know how..LOL

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Hi everybody,

I think I'm the bloke Jeff has been referring to as someone who's been working with his coop to build my SFI business, so here's my perspective on Jeff's coop and SFI's own recruiting services:

1. I've used Jeff's coop for two months so far to bring me in a guaranteed number of affiliates each month. Last month I had 4% of Jeff's PSAs upgrade to EAs. This month I began using SFI's tools to COMMUNICATE with new affiliates and have increased that EA-upgrade rate to 8% of new affiliates!

2. I also sometimes use the S-Builder to bring extra PSAs AND to give me VP to maintain EA status if necessary.

3. I sometimes use Pricebenders to get CSAs, and/or buy them on Tripleclicks and/or aim to get into the top 300 to bring in CSAs that way. Again, buying CSAs is a good way to add VP, and bidding on CSA auctions is a good way to build MRP, which I use to buy silver (but that's another SFI story...).

The point of all this is not just to build my own team on SFI but:

1. To bring in prospects (PSAs and CSAs) for my other IM services...

2. To bring in affiliates (PSAs only) who I can **reallocate** (earning me 5 VP each time I reallocate a PSA with 600+ VP) to ACTIVE PSAs in my team through 2 levels. At the moment I'm offering "5 free PSAs" to anybody who achieves EA status in a given month and I can do that because I know Jeff will deliver!

So, I don't only use Jeff's coop, but it is the foundation of everything I do on SFI because it delivers a guaranteed number of affiliates for your money, and that means I can plan ahead and offer nice incentives to my active team members and train them to do the same.

There's more stuff you can do with your SFI admin tools and Jeff's coop as well, if you think about it...

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When I first started with SFI and before PIPS I was in contact with every affiliate to open communication lines and give additional training because I treated every affiliate as "gold".
I did the same thing for the first year or two, although most of them never replied back to me. What I finally figured out is that I was wasting so much valuable time on new affiliates when 99% of the time they never ended up doing anything. That was time I could spend on doing other things with my business to make it more profitable.

So now I never contact new affiliates unless they write/call me with a question, which is rare. I don't ignore them if they contact me but I don't waste my time trying to get in touch with every new member of my downline. It's simply not efficient. So, if you are reading this and I am your sponsor, feel free to contact me, I would be very happy to answer your questions, but don't expect me to reach out to you first.

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For what it is worth I agree with Trent and when I was active in affiliate marketing in general and SFI specifically, I stopped trying to contact new affiliates.

Not only for the fact they never replied but the fact that they are already being BOMBARDED with emails from SFI (and the other programs) - I find this really tedious and obnoxious and I didn't want to add one more to the mess.

(you see why I am not really much of a marketer, LOL).

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I would have agreed with Trent and Pat's view about SFI before the recent improvements in the system. Of course, we each use different business models, so what follows may not suit everybody, but here's what I've been doing:

I now use SFI's on-site mailers to communicate with affiliates. Because I have a REAL offer to make to them I am getting quite a good response.

This is only my second month of trying out my new approach and this month I have had almost 10% of my new PSAs upgrade to EA - five out of about 55 new affiliates.

Yes, I know new SFI affiliates can get to EA by clicking VP points in their first month and that the trick is to get them to maintain their status and replicate their activity to their team... That is where offering free PSAs (or other rewards such as TC credits etc) to new EAs through two levels is intended to help activate and motivate my team. I'll keep you posted on how things develop.

Another reason why I'm doing this is that I get to introduce affiliates to my other IM services. There are two models I'm trying to develop alongside each other:

1. Set up some kind of "product or service for IMers" and use it to introduce customers to PIPS/SFI etc...

2. Recruit affiliates to PIPS/SFI and use it to promote your "product or service for IMers".

So for me SFI is now both an affiliate business in its own right and a part of a funnel - and the communication tools on SFI itself are an important part of the process.

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At one time I had well over a hundred affiliates in SFI and eventually I gave up on SFI for a while and lost most of them.

Recently I began something similar to David and reach out to new affiliates one time and let them know that I can offer them more than one income from SFI.

I consider SFI as getting my foot in the door. They have already expressed some interest in internet marketing and for those that reply back to me I begin to build a relationship.

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Hi,

The answer is simple. They refer enough affiliates each month so they dont need to communicate with them. They get enough to upgrade each month on their own without doing any real work.

When I first started with SFI and before PIPS I was in contact with every affiliate to open communication lines and give additional training because I treated every affiliate as "gold".

The real heavy hitters recruit so many they dont need to do that

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Yes but no Jeff, whether you are well positioned or not I still see it very improtant to communicate, to encourage people who join your team. Complacency can spoil some times. I do not know whether there is any marketer who relates with each and every member like Gery (SFI). Doesn't he have many followers? Why does he bother to link up with me (to encourage me) and any other member on a regular basis. There are many ways through which one can do it like autoresponders. You will still be communicating to your downlines to encourage them.

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Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

For what it is worth I agree with Trent and when I was active in affiliate marketing in general and SFI specifically, I stopped trying to contact new affiliates.

Not only for the fact they never replied but the fact that they are already being BOMBARDED with emails from SFI (and the other programs) - I find this really tedious and obnoxious and I didn't want to add one more to the mess.

(you see why I am not really much of a marketer, LOL).
Very right and that's a justifiable reason. Everyone here and is an affiliate I think had to suffer with so many mails. You get perturbed.

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Hi Goleza,

To each his own

Do what you feel is best for your business...

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One easy way to communicate with your downline on SFI is to use the Team Talk mailer - it's as quick and easy as sending a tweet on Twitter. Every time someone upgrades to EA I post a message like this:

"Congratulations to Rachel Welch on achieving EA status. I'll send you 5 PSAs in September! Who's next??"

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I agree completely. This is a great way to encourage your team members to not only upgrade but take action....

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Hi cwstocks,

I have worked with SFI-coop but I didn't get much out of it. I got some affiliates but even contacting them there was not much of a reply. |And as internet is only a part time business for me, it is wasting a lot of time.
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Hello,

Just want to clarify this last post by "awinkler" as this person hasnt been a member of my particular SFI co-op (SFI Advertising | SFI Affiliates | SFI Coop Advertising) but he is referring to SFI's Co-op that is through SFI. Dont want people to confuse the 2...

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One easy way to communicate with your downline on SFI is to use the Team Talk mailer - it's as quick and easy as sending a tweet on Twitter. Every time someone upgrades to EA I post a message like this:

"Congratulations to Rachel Welch on achieving EA status. I'll send you 5 PSAs in September! Who's next??"

I also use the Team Talk tool to direct people to my Leadership Page where I run a blog about SFI and IM business and also announce the prize/incentive for the current month.
Thanks for the tip! I was wondering how I could promote PIPS without getting in trouble with SFI. Do you have any other suggestions. I really appreciate all of the feedback I have gotten here, and am so glad I found Warrior Forum. The folks here are great!

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Thanks for the tip! I was wondering how I could promote PIPS without getting in trouble with SFI. Do you have any other suggestions. I really appreciate all of the feedback I have gotten here, and am so glad I found Warrior Forum. The folks here are great!
I wouldn't recommend cross marketing your SFI downline through the SFI mailer.The topic has been brought up before here and it could jeopardize your SFI membership.Unless of course a member of your SFI downline is on YOUR own personal "list" but only then you should contact them through your GetResponse account.Just my two sense...

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Thanks for the tip! I was wondering how I could promote PIPS without getting in trouble with SFI. Do you have any other suggestions. I really appreciate all of the feedback I have gotten here, and am so glad I found Warrior Forum. The folks here are great!
Whenever I receive notification from SFI that I have just sponsored a new affiliate, I usually open my affiliate manager in SFI for that particular person, look for his/her e-mail address, then send him/her Welcome Message. Through my e-mail signature, the new SFI affiliate is then introduced to PIPS.

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I use it and get some affiliate that talk about how can I help them make a better way of life some become EA's other dont. One problem they have is a way to pay for their EA Standing orders. So SFI has put in place Alert Pay to help deal with this problem. I talk to my sponsor at anytime I want he also give me tips that I use didn't have this before, but I also have a new sponsor. There is some good information here that I can use the key is it a number game.

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Thanks for the tip! I was wondering how I could promote PIPS without getting in trouble with SFI. Do you have any other suggestions. I really appreciate all of the feedback I have gotten here, and am so glad I found Warrior Forum. The folks here are great!
Here's what I do:

1. Set up an autoresponder specifically for TRAINING your SFI affiliates.

2. Send a welcome email to every new SFI affiliate (PSAs and CSAs) offering them support and inviting them to join your training list. I specify that I will train them to PROMOTE their business on the Internet.

As mentioned in previous comments, do NOT use the SFI team mailer to do this.

3. Once they are signed up they receive a graduated training program. I take them through traffic exchanges, safelists, blogging, website set up and article marketing. At each stage, they are invited to join my other programs or downlines.

I also set up a rewards program so that each time they complete a specific action they get some kind of bonus, including reassigning PSAs to their SFI account (very popular!).

I have found that being generous with rewards, and being very active in helping those who respond and take action, reaps big dividends. They are very willing to listen to your advice - but DON't abuse that willingness. I only recommend products and services that I use or trust. Active PSAs are a long-term "residual income" investment, so don't screw it up at the beginning by playing for a fast buck.

You only need to work actively with a small group of action takers each month to see a huge improvement in activity in your SFI team.

Your ultimate aim is to get those active members to become leaders and duplicate your action.

I am finding that I'm getting about 20% of my new affiliates to get to EA level in their first month (sure, that's the "easy" month) and I then offer them rewards to encourage them to renew through the next three months, aiming to get about 2 renewals from each fresh batch. I escalate the rewards each month. By the time they emerge from the 4 month training funnel, they should be ready to duplicate. At that stage, hand them the keys to your system.

Of course, it DOES depend on the QUALITY of affiliate that you get. Since I set up my training system in the summer, I joined Jeff Casmer's coop to ensure that I get a regular supply of quality referrals into my team.

Jeff delivers a consistent supply of high quality affiliates. I tested Jeff's referrals against a cheap referral service not specifically aimed at SFI. In spite of all my efforts, I got NO response from any of those affiliates.

I haven't yet tried out the SFI S-Builder coop using this system, but when I do, I'll let you know.

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Hi David,

What a great way to maximize your affiliates. You took action with a plan you developed to maximize your marketing efforts. Well done!

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i dont have the capital to invest in sfi
i do soem blogging but not much traffic either Truth Force International
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Definately SFI is worth the time to get to know how to get off on the right track, and be able to start off using your internet marketing abilities.
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Hello Everyone, I like the content on this post. Just like everyone, my sponsor has not help at all... I don't know what am doing with SFI or what I need to do. I was glad to receive commission of £1.32 for may. I don't know how I did to warrant the money. I missed out on E65 competiton cos I went on holiday. Please tell me how this works... Sorry to be a pain but I need "help to grow"
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Hi HelpMeToGrow,

I know that this is a late post but I hope that you subscribed to it so that you, or any other SFI/TripleClicks affiliate reading this, can get my two cents out of this comment.

I think that the main reason why many SFI/TripleClicks affiliate get disappointed with their SFI experience is that they haven't understood how they can maximize on their SFI Membership.

You see, most SFI affiliates, both new and old, get distracted by the rewards programs being offered.

It's a fact that you can't make that much money from VPs alone. The average earning is $1 per 2000VPs. How many VPs do you need to make a decent income?

Most affiliates are blind to the AMAZING opportunity that SFI presents them with. Without personally recruiting them, each SFI affiliate has access to typically more than a 1000 people, from all over the world, that are obviously interested in making money online on that very day! Think about it.

Stop worrying about whether they are your PSAs or your CSAs. Your business grows when SFI/TripleClicks grows, so don't be too self centered. We are all in this together.

You don't need to communicate with each and every new affiliate using the Genealogy tool. And you don't need to communicate with ALL the new affiliates.

SFI provides you with a very simple yet mega effective way of qualifying the serious guys from the tire kickers.

Know what it is?

It's the a2a social network.

Every member of a2a has taken the time to try and complete his/her profile. That means that they are action takers. They have also AGREED to receive friend requests for the purpose of networking to help them improve their SFI business.

So help them. Send them friend requests. Welcome them to SFI and offer them any assistance you can. Guide them on how they can achieve EA status within the hour. Sign off by providing links to your Facebook, Twitter, LinkedIn and other social networking sites and encourage them to keep in touch and monitor each other's progress with the SFI business. If they link up, then you have a way to connect for ages to come.

Why is this important? Because now you have a way of communicating outside the SFI system. That doesn't mean that you can now start pitching them all sorts of business opportunities.

But you can now explain how they can use other programs to boost their SFI business. Programs such as PIPS and GVO, which are important for any serious SFI business owner. Programs that they can join using YOUR affiliate links.

And find a way of getting them into your own autoresponder lists.

Another problem with most SFI/TripleClicks affiliates is that they remain stuck as SFI affiliates and forget that SFI provides them with their own affiliate management program.

Why earn peanuts from VPs and DCs and whatevers while you can sell your own products on your TC Member or ECA TConnect sites and keep the lion's share of the profits?

Find a way of connecting with affiliates. Build a brand and get them to like and trust you. Let them actively promote your TConnect site and products. That's where the major mulla is, guys.

Ask Donald J Thorn and David Hurley. They know.

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I have tried SFI builder, received four affiliates. None are active, all four remain below 200VP and have not qualified for EA. Is SFI worth it? In my opinion and based on my experience, it is not very effective in delivering quality leads to build your team. The fact that it is free to join SFI you get a lot of "tyre kickers" but when the rubbers needs to meet the road alot of SFI CSA opt out.
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I dunno - if your 'experience' is @ 30 days or even 90 days - it's probably not a very good indicator of anything - although what you say does in fact happen - tire kickers - obvious problem with 'free' programs, etc. (you have to upgrade to really make any money and then it is small potatoes until you get your momentum going) -

With that said you will find plenty of people around here that have been making ok/decent money from SFI for many YEARS - so that would be more like the people I would believe - the ones who have been down the road a bit and have kept their advertising and marketing aggressive and consistent enough over TIME to start seeing an ROI. ... just sayin' lots of loyal SFI people around these parts -

...lots of new and more exciting programs around these days - but then just like building a mutual fund portfolio - where you have some higher risk (stocks) and some 'tried and true' (mid-range) and some 'stable' (bonds) - 'multiple streams of income' can work the same way to have a full array!

I like SFI because it does have some tangible products so there are lots of different ways you can make money with it.

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Hello,

One of the important things is to really stay on top of SFI and their training. Some of their training is by far the best in the business in terms of how to maximize and build a team and learn basic internet marketing...

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The SFI compensation plan is unique and it takes people a while to understand it and really grasp its power. I (finally!) caught the vision for it last year and I have been dedicated to it since.

However, there are a lot of marketers looking for immediate results and overnight success and that isn't going to happen for most people in SFI, and it rarely happens for most people in other affiliate programs, too.

The power in SFI is sticking with it and building up your team of PSAs and CSAs, one-by-one, step-by-step. The S-Builder Co-op is not a fast way to do it, but in my opinion, it is a good, steady way to work at it. I am also a member of other advertising co-ops to get SFI affiliates.

You may need to sponsor a whole lot of people before you get a few serious marketers on your team, but as you find them and build your team, you are also building a foundation. If it takes you a year or two years to get to a few thousand dollars of income a month, isn't it worth it? I think so!

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The SFI compensation plan is unique and it takes people a while to understand it and really grasp its power. I (finally!) caught the vision for it last year and I have been dedicated to it since.

However, there are a lot of marketers looking for immediate results and overnight success and that isn't going to happen for most people in SFI, and it rarely happens for most people in other affiliate programs, too.

The power in SFI is sticking with it and building up your team of PSAs and CSAs, one-by-one, step-by-step. The S-Builder Co-op is not a fast way to do it, but in my opinion, it is a good, steady way to work at it. I am also a member of other advertising co-ops to get SFI affiliates.

You may need to sponsor a whole lot of people before you get a few serious marketers on your team, but as you find them and build your team, you are also building a foundation. If it takes you a year or two years to get to a few thousand dollars of income a month, isn't it worth it? I think so!

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Start now and work at it and 2 years from now your life could be totally different.

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Reminds me of a conversation I had with my wife a couple months ago. She is going back to school, I think to be a Lawyer and do Child Advocacy work. She mentioned I should go back to school . . .
Hey, Stephen:

My wife works at a university and we have very easy access to any kind of course we could want . . . but do we take advantage of it? ... No ...

A person gets to thinking they have no time to spare, but really, I think a person could easily fit something of value into their schedule if they really wanted to.

Regarding Jeff's co-op, I am currently receiving SFI sign-ups from it and when I first started with SFI several years ago I used his co-op, too.

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I bought SFI sbuilder for their common period of time but the results so far seem to be poor. Maybe I'm mistaken but I suggest to try something else with SFI when in doubt...
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