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I joined last month, all 5 affiliate programs. I have put money into different things I can afford, including, just recently, Dustin's Total Content Domination, but I am feeling a bit discouraged. YES, I know it takes time to make money at this stuff, but Stone said you don't have to spend money to make money, and I have spent money, a decent amount, in several different strategies in the training, and have not yet gotten even a tiny check, or seen a cent. How long does it generally take, having done what I've done, to see any income from this!
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I have experienced the same - must be trillions have the same feeling - me, still plugging away, you may be turning the corner, we can just hpe and trust that someone ain't a robbing blaggard
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Yeah, I can understand what you are going through, because I am having the same experience. But wait, I found this new amazing program all you need to do is click here and then here and then instant profits. Just enter your paypal email right here.

What this experience has really taught me is that making money online is going to be a lot harder than what I thought it would be.

Jay has a website www.tidyneat.com where he puts stuff sometimes.
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I really hate to see this type of stuff. I really do.

When I first started out with internet marketing, I had no idea where it was going to take me. I just did it for fun (back when I wrote for eHow.)

All I can say when I see these type of threads is just don't give up.. And stop buying all these WSO's. lol there is NO magic solution to getting rich overnight.. it still takes hard work and dedication.

Unless of course, you create the next facebook/twitter/whatever.

Just keep at it guys. Stop reading about what to do and where to start, and just START!! You will fail. You've already failed. Otherwise you wouldnt have made this thread or even clicked in to it.

So you got it out of your system. Learn from your mistakes and realize what you did wrong, then make sure you don't do it again. If 1 thing doesn't work, try another. All I'm saying is it is better and easier to learn by actually DOING something, not by reading about how to do it.

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Originally Posted by clouddancerss View Post

I joined last month, all 5 affiliate programs. I have put money into different things I can afford, including, just recently, Dustin's Total Content Domination, but I am feeling a bit discouraged. YES, I know it takes time to make money at this stuff, but Stone said you don't have to spend money to make money, and I have spent money, a decent amount, in several different strategies in the training, and have not yet gotten even a tiny check, or seen a cent. How long does it generally take, having done what I've done, to see any income from this!
Okay. I can see you have spent money joining all the featured programs in PIPS. You also have delegated Dustin to put your website on top of Google, hopefully. But may I ask, have you done your part?

I mean, you should not just spend money joining all the programs and paying people to do the work for you, you must do your part as well. Their efforts and your efforts must produce synergy for you to see good results.

One sign that you have not done your part, you just hoped and delegated things to them (I mean, to them, the system, including Stone, Dustin, and your website), you are still not using forum signature here. You know my friend, just by using forum signature alone, in various online forum sites, I am getting a lot of opt-in subscribers and affiliate sign-ups everyday.

Don't give up my friend. Just go on. Get involved. It's not yet time to sit and relax, hoping for a turnkey automated system work on our behalf. Automated money making systems are first toiled, perspired, and operated by people before they become truly automated.

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You really need to put your money away. There's not any programs that are going to build your business for you, at least not until you know what you're doing and know how to selectively buy into the right programs. I've seen far to many new people waste far to much money on big promises only to be let down.

The truth is, you can do it yourself and it doesn't have to cost much at all. Above I said "put your money away" but you should give it about 10 minutes before doing that. If you are new and don't know how to do IM or how to even get started I suggest a book from Amazon.com. It is packed full of inexpensive and free ways to build your business.Just read the reviews a little way down the page, Amazon.com: Free Marketing: 101 Low and No-Cost...Amazon.com: Free Marketing: 101 Low and No-Cost... This is not an affiliate link.

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Hey, you shouldn't be discouraged. The mere fact that you've acted and done something is a big step forward. A lot of people haven't done anything yet and they're already scared of losing and decide not to do anything.

At least you're a step closer to your goal. Failure is part of the process. You'll learn from it
and it'll make success feel a lot sweeter.
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Honestly, I'm feeling the same way, though I've done things a little different. I do not have a lot of money to invest (in fact I'm in kind of a dire position right now) but I do have time in the day, so I do research and work on the site and the related programs. e.g. doing laundry I put up a trippleclicks flier and referred someone to my site. I have researched SEO* and watching other videos related to backlinking and am trying to implement what I can. I currently have zero people in my list and I know the only people who have stumbled on my site are online friends who just aren't into IM.

*Everything I thought I knew blew up in my face. Now, not only am I still not ranking for my keyword, but I'm no longer ranking for my name! (it was #2) WTF! The google webmaster tool puts my most significant keyword as "uncategorized." You have to be F'n s--tn' me! I think I got sandboxed! It's the last thing I need in my current situation but it's not stopping me from putting links out there and trying.

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Originally Posted by clouddancerss View Post

I joined last month, all 5 affiliate programs. I have put money into different things I can afford, including, just recently, Dustin's Total Content Domination, but I am feeling a bit discouraged. YES, I know it takes time to make money at this stuff, but Stone said you don't have to spend money to make money, and I have spent money, a decent amount, in several different strategies in the training, and have not yet gotten even a tiny check, or seen a cent. How long does it generally take, having done what I've done, to see any income from this!
Well what did you use your money on? Lets figure that out first then look at what you could have spent your money on.

I hope you spent your money on the essentials, like domain name, hosting, and email service.

After that try the free methods to generate traffic to your site SEO is a really good one, then you may start to look at buying advertising.

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with all due respect we have some whining here.

whiners, please 'look at the glass half full, not half empty'.

sorry but it just gets me how for under $10 (domain name registration) PIPS newBs have gotten:

free hosting
free web design
free internet marketing training
free bonuses
discounts
free graphics
free sales page
free autoresponder messages
free tech support and customer service
no membership fees
for life

... and right away they are feeling so discouraged and it has been a whole week and they actually posted one link somewhere - they are just not making money and they don't know what to do waaahhh.

(because they are too hip to do the online training provided by Stone sitting in their back office 24/7/365.) THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO NOW.

A great saying I once heard somewhere around here is 'the only people that are not teachable are those who think they already know everything'.

Good luck with that...

Same reason they will sooner believe a fellow newB or even another more experienced marketer who is maybe just making it, faking it, or baking it -- before they will believe somebody who has actually made a substantial income from using the exact strategies that he gives you for free in the training.

people don't understand what 'optional' or 'no obligation' means.

It means just that. Go ahead Stone invites you to take advantage of every tittle. The training is full of FREE techniques as well as OPTIONAL upsells.

I think because services THAT are described as a solution to some issues in the training are paid services, they don't do the training believing that is 'all there is'. You have to 'have money to make money' - same old story... You can't do this without money. *(I know this for a fact because I did the same thing)

By God, just don't spend any of your own money on your business or do the work. Just complain.

You have to do the marketing and advertising. One way or the other.

If you have more time than money DO IT YOURSELF FOR FREE
If you have more money than time PAY SOMEBODY - GET OVER IT.

That's the big surprise to some of the QUICKY thinking folks. (get rich quick folk)

If you are ever going to earn a dime,

You will need to do the time.

And the most important thing is to take consistent action OVER TIME - fill the time up with aggressive effort, discipline, self-motivation and patience = Have Faith in Yourself and the Process.

... and quit whining.

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Originally Posted by clouddancerss View Post

I joined last month, all 5 affiliate programs. I have put money into different things I can afford, including, just recently, Dustin's Total Content Domination, but I am feeling a bit discouraged. YES, I know it takes time to make money at this stuff, but Stone said you don't have to spend money to make money, and I have spent money, a decent amount, in several different strategies in the training, and have not yet gotten even a tiny check, or seen a cent. How long does it generally take, having done what I've done, to see any income from this!
Obviously, I have no idea how much money you have spent, but I am willing to bet I have spent more than you BEFORE I even joined PIPS....I spent over $3,000.00 alone with just one company: SBI....and that isn't all of it....anyway, when I stumbled upon PIPS, I thought wow,finally I think I have found nirvana and I joined immediately....I also joined Dustin's TCD.......I bet I have joined and spent money on 10 "SYSTEMS" all because I was looking for "The Real Deal".... almost 1 year after joining PIPS, I now realize that there is only one person in the world that will make my business grow and that is me. So roll up your sleeves and prepare to get your hands dirty or find a more rewarding career.....sorry but that's the reality of it......Pick any aspect of I.M. that you like....focus, focus,focus, on that one thing and make it grow......did I mention FOCUS.

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where making money is as simple as flipping a switch!

P.S. A PROVEN WAY TO MAKE YOUR *FIRST* $1,000! Some sites
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I got this from Stone this morning, along with an ad to join PIPS, which I am already a member of. Simple as flipping a switch, yeah right, he makes it sound so easy, and I think this may be misleading people. Give me a thousand this week? I'd be happy to see a check for a couple hundred, just something to let me know that something I have done is working, in the month and a half since I joined!!!!!!

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Wow, 8 hits off my sig in an evening post... that's almost as much as a week on some other forums. I am clearly not understanding my target audience. At least that's a start.

Above point definitely taken though. I wasn't expecting INSTANT riches TODAY when signing up but still having absolutely zero to show for the work I have done in the last couple weeks stands in stark contrast to the ad. I need a LOT more than $1000 this week or I'm in the poor house with a daughter and 5 pets. I know it's not good to advertize desperation but this is it folks... I am desperate. I don't think this alone is going to do it unless I magically acquire about ten thousand followers in the next couple days... know what I mean?

Hmmmm, what would Elwood Blues do? (jk ) ...or maybe not.... come to think of it: the key to that success was broad spectrum promoting. ...again, I need to target the right audience...

I know what I'm not doing... quitting. I'm not blaming Mr. Evans either. At minimum I do have a cheap domain name and free hosting with no imposed limits (pre-installed with a nice WP layout no less) and I wouldn't have that without PIPS. This is a powerful tool that I know I can leverage, I just have to refocus my energies.

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P.S. And here is another example of whiners doing badly.

In addition to people who cannot condescend to read and follow the free training provided with your PIPS membership - and then come here and talk about WHAT DO I DO NOW? NOT MAKING ANY MONEY, booohooo.

... are the people who are spending time ranting about not making any money after a whole month and very little effort on their part BECAUSE THEY ARE NOT USING THE RESOURCES THEY HAVE ALREADY BEEN PROVIDED.

For example there is someone here who is posting to complain and malign but yet has not used their blog SINCE AUGUST - NOT EVER EVEN ONCE.

Blogging and having a blog enabled website is one of the PRIMARY FREE WAYS TO POST CONTENT FOR SEARCH ENGINE MARKETING FREE FREE FREE

But instead of posting where it will be INGENIOUS PERMANENT ADVERTISING ONLINE,

INSTEAD THEY ARE HERE MOANING AND GROANING.

FRESH CONTENT AND SEARCH ENGINE OPTIMIZATION ARE THE PRIMARY CRITICAL ELEMENTS OF ANY INTERNET MARKETING BUSINESS.

YOU HAVE A FREE TOOL RIGHT ON YOUR PC - YOU ARE WASTING IT. YES YOU CAN GET BACKLINKS FROM HIGH TRAFFIC SITES LIKE THE WARRIOR FORUM BY POSTING HERE WITH YOUR HOME PAGE URL. IT'S ALL GOOD.

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DID YOU EVER HEAR THAT 'CONTENT IS KING' ?

WELL THERE IT IS FOLKS LOGIN TO YOUR WORDPRESS BLOG - WRITE A PARAGRAPH WITH YOUR KEYWORDS AND MAYBE A LINK. PUBLISH A FREE AD! ON MILLIONS OF RSS FEEDS IT IS GOING OUT ALL OVER THE WWW NETWORK.

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Originally Posted by clouddancerss View Post

where making money is as simple as flipping a switch!

P.S. A PROVEN WAY TO MAKE YOUR *FIRST* $1,000! Some sites
claim you'll make $50,000 this month. I say "give me $1,000
this WEEK and I'll be happy!" If you agree then visit this
site to see something real that is working for people right NOW:
http://www.PlugInProfitSite.com/main-/freesetup.html

I got this from Stone this morning, along with an ad to join PIPS, which I am already a member of. Simple as flipping a switch, yeah right, he makes it sound so easy, and I think this may be misleading people. Give me a thousand this week? I'd be happy to see a check for a couple hundred, just something to let me know that something I have done is working, in the month and a half since I joined!!!!!!
Yes if someone does not think logically or believes that there is really a get rich quick way to wealth, you can be mislead.

I admit it is a fine line there. However while nobody can legally guarantee that you will make any set amount of money, if someone has made that amount then it is POSSIBLE for anyone.

It's a true statement. Looking at it logically, if I wanted to see if I could do it, I WOULD GET TO WORK.

There is no magic - not even on the Internet. It is way faster, way cheaper to do business online and you can expect that IF YOU WORK HARD CONSISTENTLY OVER TIME that you will succeed.

The average that is still taught in universities to masters of business administration - IS FIVE YEARS TO SHOW A PROFIT FOR A NORMAL AVERAGE BUSINESS.

... so yeah thank God the Internet is faster. And little people are not precluded because they do not have a lot of money to advertise or buy inventory.

Read my post above about using the resources that you have instead of wondering why you are not making any money after 30 or even 90 days.

90000 days if you don't do the work it is likely you won't make any money.
9000000000000 days if you won't follow directions.

period.

p.s.s. and even the flip of the switch statement is true. look at all you got for filling out an application. HOW MANY YEARS WOULD IT TAKE YOU TO LEARN HOW: to do and connect the dots on all the free resources Stone provides?

How long and how much money would it have cost you TO EVEN GET STARTED?

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5 years? I learned something interesting today, thank you. Sort of puts things in perspective doesn't it?

BTW: I literally cannot afford certain pay programs at this moment... but I think I'll invest in the getsubscribers on Monday so I can make this move. If based on a previous thread I can expect 2/3 to immediately unsubscribe when they find out what the list is, a single 200 order should be safe while still using the free getresponse account, should land about 60-80 on the list when settled in. It puts me a week behind in that aspect of the guide but I can only work with what I have.

See, that's the thing. Everyone can get discouraged but what are you doing about it? I'm trying to make a plan and trudge on. I know it's not enough in my situation which is why I'm still asking for help.

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Eggzactly what I say -

do not let any obstacles or perceived obstacles stop you.

'trudge on'.

Make a note to resolve the obstacle later and go back to it.
GO AROUND IT -

I hope you will take advantage of the two free programs - free to join and no monthly fees. (Traffic Swarm and Adminder Ad Tracker and Guaranteed Visitors Affiliate programs.

...you can make commissions - they are not huge but if you think VOLUME that is the concept of 'multiple streams of income' - you got it going on from different streams - some are not great but $5x10 - is still $50 -

When I started piecing things together to create an income online, I looked at each thing I did as another bill. Not as $50 in a $5000 survival crunch, where it is like what i call a 'teardrop in the ocean' -- but looking at it as 'one thing at a time'. $50 great that's the utility bill. or $50 groceries.

That's the same way you have to do the 30 days training and other learning -- it is one thing at a time. one 'day' at a time - even if that day takes a week. better you should understand it and do it correctly than to rush.

don't get hung up even on one day being dependent on the next - let them be individual projects.

What this whole process takes more than anything else other than writing, is DISCIPLINE.

TekScavenger you sound like a man with a plan.

All the best...

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p.s. where i usually always say buying leads is stupid, it is also true that if you have the money then those (GetResponse) would be seriously the only ones I would buy. They are double-opt-in already when you get them so no confirming and all (where you lose 'em - but oh well better to be double opt-in)

IMHO - I still say do not put all of your eggs in the eMail marketing basket -

eMail marketing - ethical permission based emailing only

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Trafficswarm and Adminder were done day 1, though I have yet to see a single incoming link from either. Eh, get what you pay for, might get something out of it some day. I did the basic MyWorld membership as a future investment but it's on the back burner. Most of my energies are focused on SFI right now, and I am trying to occasionally add to or alter the site, but seeing that I somehow got on Google's spit-on list I'm not going to waste an overwhelming amount of time on SEO for that one, though I am considering attempting a subdomain with a new blog... just need to plan it out. I may just finish the guide first in the interest of one-at-a-time focus and not burning out.

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I learned something very important (especially for newbies) while reading topics here in WF PIPS Support Forum. I don't recall where the post is located, but I still can remember the points: SEO is very important and must not be neglected. But it usually takes time to win that uphill battle. As a newbie, especially if you are in a critical situation where time and money is running out, you must prioritize things like "list building and generating sales". Newbies must advertise aggressively using the LCPs they are providing us and our PIPS sales page. Aggresive, but within bounds of ethical advertising. We must do it decisively. Put in some "outrageous, attention-getting, sale-generating" style to your advertising to make some sign-ups and sales. The upper part of the success pyramid is occupied by top guns in internet marketing. They have already "positioned themselves" for success. With that situation (competition), we, newbies, must recognize we really must exert "extra effort" to make our way up. It's really a challenge. Now, if you really love "challenge", let's go for it!

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Yes, SEO is incredibly important, but if you get placed in the Google sandbox, you will not rank for a good 3 months no matter what you do. Maybe I will do well on another search engine, but when's the last time you heard someone say "I don't know, let me Yahoo it?" Google pretty much owns the web right now.

Therefore, I can focus on back links that might actually pull some traffic or start a new blog and hope it ranks. I didn't say I was going to neglect my site since if I'm ever going to rank it will need to be kept updated; I'm just not going to spend hours on end on it since at this moment it's a futile effort and my time is better spent elsewhere (e.g. backlinking).

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Hello Guys:
It seems everyone of you is whining. I haven't money yet but I am very optimistic
I will be making money soon. Instead of whining wouldn't it better to learn from people
That are making money. Take a look at Stone for example, he is the top enrollein MWP
Month after month not only in this affilliate program only but in many other. He
Must be doing something right wich we need to learn from him. Let's refrain from discouraging others as well. Positive influence goes a long way and actually improves ones
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I am a newbie too and thankfully I have a great tutor. But I experience the same frustration. What I have learned, is that the hype out there is just hype. It does take awhile to learn - for me it is much longer than I thought it would. But that is reality for most of us, I would guess. The spectacular results don't happen for most of us overnight. Lots of work and lots of working at it. Lots of learning from mistakes and refining what we do. I am just at the start and am in it for the long haul.

The best thing that ever happened to me was to get a good tutor that can help a newbie like me. If you can find one, it is really a blessing.
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Welcome to the real world of internet marketing also known as the school of hard knocks. If you are gullible enough to believe that buying into five programs in a short space of time will bring you instant gratification you are sadly mistaken.

So you have spent your money and its no use crying over spilt milk. Now you to work through each program in turn and learn what it is that you have bought and how to use it.

I once spent a lot of money on a marketing course and I still refer to the book some ten years later. You need to follow and understand what you have purchased and how to make money from it, it might take you years. There will be people who can help you but they will not do the work for you, you have to do that.

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The truth is if you've got no skill whether it is on writing, design or any other that can be applied online then you have to concentrate on acquiring those skills.
Don,t be deceived and don't miss understand what you are told. Stone said it took him 3 years plus to figure out how. set a target for yourself this no no get rich quick but a make a million dollars a year industry only if you don't give up.

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Here are a few things to consider....

The way I understand it is this. All the PIPS sites come with the same keywords, meta tags, etc., standard. So the competition for these keywords are brutal at best.

Do some research for other keywords that are not as competitive. Then, change the name of your website to incorporate these new keywords. Change your meta tag. Change your meta description.

I did all of these things to my website. It still took another six months to get to page one of Google. I didn't have the money for all the extras...so I did everything myself.

I can say this for sure....if you do the work yourself, you will learn a lot more about Internet marketing. And, what it takes to succeed.

Invest your time in your business, instead of money for a while. The search engines like new content, active websites, and backlinks.

It is hard to get to Page 1 in the SERPs, it takes a lot of time, energy, hard work, and dedication to get there. But once there, it is easier to stay there.

Then, it is time to take the next step. Build your own websites in other niches.

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That's not how it works. You join in July and in August you expect big things? I doubt. You will have to grow your business before you can begin bagging in some reasonable money. I know most newbies expect to earn big as soon as they begin internet marketing. But that's not how it works. Even in other businesses.

I will only advise you to work on your business every day by marketing it using proven marketing methods. You do not have to use your hard earned money at the beginning. There are free online marketing methods you can use to grow your business before you embark on paid advertising. Do that consistently, you will begin to see some change, I assure you. That's what I started with and each day I can envisage success from the progress.

You can read these 2 articles on free online marketing and paid advertising, which I wrote. Probably they will be helpful to you. They are: "Why Not Use Free Online Marketing If Your Advertising Budget Is Limited?" and "Complementing Free Online Marketing With Paid Online Advertising Quickens Your Business Growth".

Last but not least, never quit because quitters are not winners and winners never quit. If you want to fail in this online business, then you quit. But if you want to succeed, take your time to work on your business persistently. One day, you will smile.

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I joined last month, all 5 affiliate programs. I have put money into different things I can afford, including, just recently, Dustin's Total Content Domination, but I am feeling a bit discouraged. YES, I know it takes time to make money at this stuff, but Stone said you don't have to spend money to make money, and I have spent money, a decent amount, in several different strategies in the training, and have not yet gotten even a tiny check, or seen a cent. How long does it generally take, having done what I've done, to see any income from this!


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Okay. I can see you have spent money joining all the featured programs in PIPS. You also have delegated Dustin to put your website on top of Google, hopefully. But may I ask, have you done your part?

I mean, you should not just spend money joining all the programs and paying people to do the work for you, you must do your part as well. Their efforts and your efforts must produce synergy for you to see good results.

One sign that you have not done your part, you just hoped and delegated things to them (I mean, to them, the system, including Stone, Dustin, and your website), you are still not using forum signature here. You know my friend, just by using forum signature alone, in various online forum sites, I am getting a lot of opt-in subscribers and affiliate sign-ups everyday.

Don't give up my friend. Just go on. Get involved. It's not yet time to sit and relax, hoping for a turnkey automated system work on our behalf. Automated money making systems are first toiled, perspired, and operated by people before they become truly automated.
Indeed he does not have a signature in this forum, a sign that he has not done his part as you discovered. He needs to take time working on his business, the money will come his way.

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Wow, I take it back! (re Google)

Google must have simply glitched on the first crawl, my most relevant keyword is now "money," and I'm on Page 1 for my keyword. I believe no small part of that is also form the high value backlinks from Bashan (emco717), so thank you too for that thread!

I think it's about time to shift out of first gear and into second. Thor's hammer is about to squash me like an insignificant insect right about now (Tuesday if some miracle doesn't happen) but I can't focus on that right now. Good things CAN happen. I have "work" to do! Chin up people!

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I'm seeing a completely wrong mindset.......if you are not capable of being disciplined enough to go through the provided training, etc., get a personal mentor/coach to keep you accountable and set goals for your business. It won't be long-term if you don't want it to be.

Wishing you the best. I was seeing a profit my first month...that's because I had a shoestring budget and after I bought my domain name, only paid $6.95 for hosting and $19 for AWeber.

Still haven't paid for traffic.....there are ways to do this, you need the right guidance.

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I agree. Turning to a positive mindset seems to have helped. Steering the plan as well. I'm not profitable yet but I think now it's just a matter of time as long as I keep moving... small steps in the right direction. I think the next one will be the IAHBE membership (1500 point standing order in SFI). Then to promote the h311 out of the whole system...

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Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

Eggzactly what I say -

do not let any obstacles or perceived obstacles stop you.

'trudge on'.

Make a note to resolve the obstacle later and go back to it.
GO AROUND IT -

I hope you will take advantage of the two free programs - free to join and no monthly fees. (Traffic Swarm and Adminder Ad Tracker and Guaranteed Visitors Affiliate programs.

...you can make commissions - they are not huge but if you think VOLUME that is the concept of 'multiple streams of income' - you got it going on from different streams - some are not great but $5x10 - is still $50 -

When I started piecing things together to create an income online, I looked at each thing I did as another bill. Not as $50 in a $5000 survival crunch, where it is like what i call a 'teardrop in the ocean' -- but looking at it as 'one thing at a time'. $50 great that's the utility bill. or $50 groceries.

That's the same way you have to do the 30 days training and other learning -- it is one thing at a time. one 'day' at a time - even if that day takes a week. better you should understand it and do it correctly than to rush.

don't get hung up even on one day being dependent on the next - let them be individual projects.

What this whole process takes more than anything else other than writing, is DISCIPLINE.

TekScavenger you sound like a man with a plan.

All the best...

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p.s. where i usually always say buying leads is stupid, it is also true that if you have the money then those (GetResponse) would be seriously the only ones I would buy. They are double-opt-in already when you get them so no confirming and all (where you lose 'em - but oh well better to be double opt-in)

IMHO - I still say do not put all of your eggs in the eMail marketing basket -

eMail marketing - ethical permission based emailing only

Is still just part of the picture.

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Originally Posted by Patrician View Post

with all due respect we have some whining here.

whiners, please 'look at the glass half full, not half empty'.

sorry but it just gets me how for under $10 (domain name registration) PIPS newBs have gotten:

free hosting
free web design
free internet marketing training
free bonuses
discounts
free graphics
free sales page
free autoresponder messages
free tech support and customer service
no membership fees
for life

... and right away they are feeling so discouraged and it has been a whole week and they actually posted one link somewhere - they are just not making money and they don't know what to do waaahhh.

(because they are too hip to do the online training provided by Stone sitting in their back office 24/7/365.) THAT'S WHY YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO NOW.

A great saying I once heard somewhere around here is 'the only people that are not teachable are those who think they already know everything'.

Good luck with that...

Same reason they will sooner believe a fellow newB or even another more experienced marketer who is maybe just making it, faking it, or baking it -- before they will believe somebody who has actually made a substantial income from using the exact strategies that he gives you for free in the training.

people don't understand what 'optional' or 'no obligation' means.

It means just that. Go ahead Stone invites you to take advantage of every tittle. The training is full of FREE techniques as well as OPTIONAL upsells.

I think because services THAT are described as a solution to some issues in the training are paid services, they don't do the training believing that is 'all there is'. You have to 'have money to make money' - same old story... You can't do this without money. *(I know this for a fact because I did the same thing)

By God, just don't spend any of your own money on your business or do the work. Just complain.

You have to do the marketing and advertising. One way or the other.

If you have more time than money DO IT YOURSELF FOR FREE
If you have more money than time PAY SOMEBODY - GET OVER IT.

That's the big surprise to some of the QUICKY thinking folks. (get rich quick folk)

If you are ever going to earn a dime,

You will need to do the time.

And the most important thing is to take consistent action OVER TIME - fill the time up with aggressive effort, discipline, self-motivation and patience = Have Faith in Yourself and the Process.

... and quit whining.

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sorry if you think i am being snarky - i know i can be - however, i am addressing this diatribe to all the whiners on the helpdesk and the whining warriors in this forum.

... and it is said with only your best interests at heart.

Hi

I've been a member of PIPs since 2008 and not made a penny from it, however in the offline world of business we've achieved two million pound turnover in three years. Nothing is easy in the world of business there are always ups and downs.

My glass is not half empty as my clients would tell you, our business as business advisor's grew because we don't give up and always look at problems as challenges.

My reasons for joining PIPS at first was for research and we have put a lot of time and effort into the programs. From your statement
("sorry if you think i am being snarky - i know i can be - however, i am addressing this diatribe to all the whiners on the helpdesk and the whining warriors in this forum.)

I think there is a problem and that you should try address it. Yes you do get a lot for FREE however all your new people can see that they are not making any money however Stone is off their backs. Try to be a little more understanding for a start
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I do not understand why since 2008 you were not able to make a penny from this business, when you can make money easily with this business by just displaying some ads from Google AdSense (or other PPC alternatives) on the sides of your web site?

Newbies, you want money in a matter of days (reach payout in 3 to 6 months)? Try this one:

Log-in to your WordPress. Fill the article portion of your website with content (posts), then use it to apply for Google AdSense account (it's FREE).

If approved, go back to your website. Log-in to your ePanel. Disable the "content areas" of your homepage. Then go to your "editor" and edit your footer.php (if not familiar with basic HMTL, visit http://w3schools.com/). Put in some short paragraphs in there (so you'll have no problem with the AdSense team about not having content on your homepage), then remove TrafficSwarm and Adminder banners (and other AdSense allergens), and then put in there big blocks of AdSense ads (preferably 336X280 in size) right above the "AdSense-safe banners of SFI and 7MinuteWorkOut", then save/publish your work. If you can place the paragraph in a line between the AdSense ads and the banners from PIPS featured programs, much better, safer for AdSense team's meticulous eyes. After saving and publishing your work, the content in your footer.php (the short paragraph, the ads from AdSense, and the banners from SFI & 7min.) will go up, will be compressed up, and it will replace the "disabled content areas" of your homepage (the one that cannot be edited right now, according to Pat ).

The ads should display right below the "Quote Line 2" of your homepage (Chameleon theme options), for higher Click-Through-Rate. The ads from Google will be displayed right in front of your visitors' eyes when they land to your home page, high CTR area of your home page.

Then get active in online forums like WF with your forum signature, or other forums where "less techie" people roam. It will surely make you money (unless you click on those ads and violate AdSense program policies). You will see money in no time. Easy money. Trust me.

Update: With the recent development in PIPS, some parts of the above suggestions are no longer applicable.

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I have understanding after 7 years in this program trying to help people and you are a perfect example of what I am saying.

In 3 years you have under 15 posts and no forum signature. (wasted resources).

If this is indicative of your level of commitment, is it any wonder you haven't made any money?

I just wonder what you mean by 'a lot of effort' into the programs, since actually the whole concept of PIPS is having ONE website that promotes all the programs with ONE effort.

How many back links have you built in 3 years? What other strategies have you used to promote PIPS?





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I've been a member of PIPs since 2008 and not made a penny from it, however in the offline world of business we've achieved two million pound turnover in three years. Nothing is easy in the world of business there are always ups and downs.

My glass is not half empty as my clients would tell you, our business as business advisor's grew because we don't give up and always look at problems as challenges.

My reasons for joining PIPS at first was for research and we have put a lot of time and effort into the programs. From your statement
("sorry if you think i am being snarky - i know i can be - however, i am addressing this diatribe to all the whiners on the helpdesk and the whining warriors in this forum.)

I think there is a problem and that you should try address it. Yes you do get a lot for FREE however all your new people can see that they are not making any money however Stone is off their backs. Try to be a little more understanding for a start

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Well, it sounds like there is a lot of discouraged associates out there. Please do not be or get discouraged. Let it rub off. Shake it off and stay focused on moving forward. I am a newbie at the 19 day training level. I am doing everything that Stone is teaching and suggesting. I am seeing some people in my downline at 7MinuteWorkout and at Adminder. My opt in list is at 143 and I just started it on Wednesday. The money will start coming in. Remember, do not reinvent the wheel. Follow Stone's teachings. I have faith in Stone and in myself. My respects to everyone out there struggling, working, hoping, wishing and praying. I am with you. Do not loose faith. The success we all long for will come.

On another note. Have you worked on placing your back links? It is tedious work but necessary. Last month 15 of the links were no good. So far for this month there are 2 that I can not place and I have worked on 22 of the 50. Is anyone else having this problem?? Pauls Backlinks???

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You have totally missed my point Pat. If you have so many people are complaining look at the reasons why. Dig Deep for the real reasons.

As for myself living in Spain without mains electricity was my main reason three hours a day with a generator and a crap internet line not good, and whist I don't visit the pips site very often I'm online visiting other parts of the warrior forum site which I find is more helpful and useful for my purpose.

Whilst my online business is going nowhere my offline business is doing great thank you very much.

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The replies have put things into perspective. We sometimes forget the basics. There is no easy way to make money online, working smart, patience, persistence, these are things that are mentioned over and over again here. The big question is, when subscribing to a service you are paying for, do you know exactly how to make it convert for you? My take on this is, know how to use the tools (hard work) before going for the automated services. Get the basics first, work from the roots, and expand from there. Chooch and Patrician, thanks for that.

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No, Rosalie, with all due respect it is you that miss my point(s).

I think I have a better understanding from receiving feedback on the helpdesk for all these years and the forum - and actually working the program itself as a member. It is easy for me to check the database to see when people joined, (how long they have been 'trying') when they start to feel discouraged. (and in a few cases if I have time, to actually check to see if they have any backlinks or done anything to promote their business).

Reasons:

1. People do not use the resources they have been provided.
2. People want to make money without working/learning.
3. People do not understand marketing and that it is about building and sustaining momentum over time. They do not want to invest the time.
4. People think it is about spending money. It isn't. It's about spending time and effort.
5. People give up without even giving themselves/the process a chance.

I am sorry about your technical issues and glad you do have a way to earn an income offline -- unfortunately your technical issues are nothing I can help with. Of course I wouldn't get your point since you didn't explain what it was other than to criticize me.

I note you were quick to say you have been in this since 2008 but never made a dime and didn't qualify your statement at that point, which I am sure you realize could be construed to mean it is somehow PIPS fault.

It is not an excuse that you use the other parts of the forum - your posts are for the entire forum and in 3 years you have denied yourself the ability to build backlinks from a high traffic, high ranking site because you don't have a signature.



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You have totally missed my point Pat. If you have so many people are complaining look at the reasons why. Dig Deep for the real reasons.

As for myself living in Spain without mains electricity was my main reason three hours a day with a generator and a crap internet line not good, and whist I don't visit the pips site very often I'm online visiting other parts of the warrior forum site which I find is more helpful and useful for my purpose.

Whilst my online business is going nowhere my offline business is doing great thank you very much.

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I feel you. You see, for two months now, all I earn is 2dollars on my Adsense account. I don't even have resources to buy my OWN URL! All I have is my motivation to succeed. I may fail every time i try but I'm sure one day I will earn and in that time I wont be a burden to my family.

I think you just have to focus, and most of all, stay motivated even at hard times.
My friend you are not alone, if you feel you are not earning, feel free to be happy coz I am too.. Hehehe! Sad but true.

Read a lot of tutoials, maybe it can help. I've read a lot, that's why I earn 2bucks.

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Unread 10th Oct 2011, 04:51 PM   #40
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Lets face it, working online is little different to working offline, there are as many opportunities as there are scams, generally what people are looking for is something to generate income and there are programs out there that can do this. BUT you need to be comfortable to use the program, you need to have confidence, you need to be trainable, you need to be committed and you need to be patient.

If you have the slightest doubt, it will start working against you. I always recommend working a program hard for six months, following all the steps as a blueprint and if at the end of that time no money is coming in then perhaps the program is not for you.

Re-assess your situation, there is no one fit for all. perseverance and determination will get you what you seek.

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Originally Posted by crayg View Post

I feel you. You see, for two months now, all I earn is 2dollars on my Adsense account. I don't even have resources to buy my OWN URL! All I have is my motivation to succeed. I may fail every time i try but I'm sure one day I will earn and in that time I wont be a burden to my family.

I think you just have to focus, and most of all, stay motivated even at hard times.
My friend you are not alone, if you feel you are not earning, feel free to be happy coz I am too.. Hehehe! Sad but true.

Read a lot of tutoials, maybe it can help. I've read a lot, that's why I earn 2bucks.

Good luck to us.
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Hello,

Wow....dont know how I missed catching up on this thread.

Good information and I could write a book about my 10 years in the business including most of that time a PIPS affiliate (perhaps I should)..LOL.

Take what Stone has given you and make it your own....

When I was first a PIPS member I didnt nearly have all the free things that Stone offers today. True it might be a tougher economy but I think that is one of the reasons Stone offers more free stuff.

Over the years myself and other PIPS veterans have challenged him to offer better and more FREE alternatives. Maybe he took our advice maybe he didn't. Its not important how PIPS got to where it is today.

The real point I am trying to make is take what Stone gives you and make it your OWN!

Own your business..

Own your decisions..



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Hey I hear what your saying, but like may others in this forum I have to agree that this business takes work. It really is a business and it really is a JOB or YOB(your own business). What's the saying? You've never worked harder than when you work for yourself! Instant success is not guaranteed in any business, no matter what some BS peddlers tell you. Hey, I'm a newbie too, but I'm plugging forward daily with determination to make this work. Each setback is just a learning opportunity and an opportunity for success. Keep plugging away and do the work and each small victory should be motivation to move forward.

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Hi, everybody there. I'm absolute newbie here and I've signed up in PIPS yesterday. It sounds not very sweety here of other newbies did not see their money for a long time after start. As to me I'm going to follow all that Stone explains. Hope it works. There is interesting moment. What if someone will use most expensive pack of all the tools Stone suggests does it really mean fast results (a week or two) appear or it doesn't matter for business growing? I mean is there some gold balance among efforts and payings or the more (paying) the faster? Thanks a lot.

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There are a couple old sayings that will answer your question:

'You can't spend your way to success'

and

'Success is always spelled W-O-R-K'.

Let's face it if there was some magic or instant solution wouldn't we all be wealthy?

You have the right idea to follow Stone's directions and learn all you can and then take action to implement your marketing strategies and work at promoting your business consistently and aggressively over T-I-M-E.

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Thank you for the comment it's important for me. The time will show.

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I am doing all that Stone suggests in his teachings and I am getting people registering at 7MinuteWorkOut and MyWorldPlus. I am building my backlinks and moving forward. Building the backlinks takes time, so be ready for that, but as stated in another post, you must work. I like it. Best advise. Follow Stone's teachings.

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I'd watch some of those "surefire" traffic getting sites too. I bit on a list builder (the free product is clearly a pyramid scheme but since no money or other items of tangible value are involved it's worth a shot to me) but all in all I can see most of these sites are merely distractions designed to separate my money from my wallet so folks, stay focused.

When I was learning insurance (many years ago), my mentor then told me "When you work for yourself, you wake up every morning unemployed." This is truth. It's not to scare you, it means that it's up to you to get your self up and make things happen. While I haven't seen cash yet, I am seeing some results that I believe will translate to money relatively soon. I don't expect this to be profitable for a little while longer yet, but there is a glimmer of hope I wish to light my torch with!

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Just hang in there if you want to make money online. Sooner or later you realize you need to put your time and effort in. If you give up, you'll never gonna realize that.

Playing the online money making game is a bugger because you have to wait weeks for any result when you make something or do change to your site or method. Learn SEO so you can work your site/s to the top. I am not making a killing either, but got another 100 from adsense this month and slowly building it up, but I am a bit lazy and procrastinating.

All them "make 2-3 K day" mumbo jumbo I just skip them. I know most of them are bull, but also a challenge because i want to be there.

Stay curious if nothing else and curiosity will make you some money. Learn from the stupid. They don't know it can't be done and they keep on doing it until they succeed. The smart ones know it can't be done before they even start. So, be stupid and keep doing it.


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Hi,

I was discouraged myself and so are a lot of warriors out there. But my JV partner pulled out from getting stuck in a rut. Paralysis by analysis is what happened to me. But my partner grabbed me by the hand then point me to the right direction.

All you need a business partner. Even Donald Trump and Robert Kiyosaki keeps telling people about this. Have a nice day.

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