[stone]

Update: Host4Profit is the only hosting option to become a Plug-In Profit Site member.

[mixedherbs21]

As a new member (1month) I have just paid Success University $145 and the next payment is about to be taken. I notice that you have removed it from the promotions together with Ewen Chia's Super Affiliate site, although SA remains on my home page. What are your recommendations regarding these matters?

[Patrician]

Success University is an excellent program and it is up to you if you want to quit of course, but between your personal website and the resources availed to you through Success Univeristy directly, this could still be a good income stream for you.

As well Ewen's program could bring you some quick cash if you promote it separately. Again, up to you though...

[mixedherbs21]

Thanks for your reply Patrician, but it doesn't really tell me anything. I'm well aware that it's up to me whether or not I cancel Success University and/or Affiliate Secrets.

My questions are:
Why have they been dropped?
For example:
Were they deemed to be less profitable than their replacements?
Were members unhappy with them?
How long were they in the program?
Most important of all; how often does this happen?

You see, I've just gone through the 30 day training, signed up for everything and now you've changed it; why? It is my intention to work on leads, either bought or from an Adwords campaign. So if this happens again when I've just signed somebody up for six programs and you cancel two of them; how do you suggest I explain it to them?

[Patrician]

They have been dropped because they were not converting well for our members.

Stone often changes programs that do not produce or that have problems. Why stick with something that is not doing well.

In the case of Success University, it is a great program that can stand on its own - it just didn't do PIPS members much good.

As well, we have had a lot of complaints about the 14-day, $2 trial and the fact it is not clear to cancel BEFORE the 14 days to not be billed again.

Of course refunds were always granted but it is a hassle for the members.

As well many were confused when somehow they went straight to the page that includes the one-time $100 set up fee for the premium site after they were told the program is around $50. per month after 14 days.

I apologize that you came in the middle of several changes to the program and I understand your confusion.

I know you didn't like my original answer but my point was/is this. You can add whatever you want to your own website - If you had joined ClickBank and Success University - these are two good programs for additional income streams.

Once you have your downline from the sales page, it would be very natural for you to contact them about your additional programs and ask them to join under you there too.

Many if not most of the long-time members have many programs on their sites that are not promoted on the sales page and are not part of our core program.

I just couldn't stand the idea of you paying the $100 premium membership and then thinking now you need to quit.

I hope that makes more sense.

Please also read the following message.

[Patrician]

Two things, mixedherbs from me with my Forum Moderator hat.

Forum etiquette.

1. You have posted this same post in two threads. This is called serial posting - please only post something one time.

2. You need to stay on topic in a thread. You have posted this message in two threads where you are 'off topic' in both threads-

you are changing the subject. The subject of both threads is the change to add HostGator.

You are writing about Success University and SuperAffiliate.

See the black button at the top of the forum index? It says 'new thread'.

To start a new topic, start a new thread.

I am leaving this because I know you are brand new, but in the future please be mindful of forum protocol.

Thanks for your participation and cooperation.

[mixedherbs21]

Thanks for your detailed answer, your have clarified the matter very well. I have decided to cancel one of the programs and requested a refund.
Forum etiquette; I should have read the rules, message understood.

[JJonesRN3]

Hi,


I do not have a gator ID. I noticed on my account page the ID for the gator account is pluginprofit. My sale page is appears when i click on the gator link. Do I have to sign up for a gator account or not or is this a temporary setup? Thanks for a reply.

[Patrician]

Hi Judy - yes you need to sign up and then put your ID in your profile so it will be on your sales page.

> > PIPS members will be able to sign up for and add their Host Gator affiliate ID to their PIPS account and will be paid handsomely for their referrals.

Details are here: HostGator Web Hosting Affiliate Program - Make Money with Web Hosting Referrals

[maxxoudd]

I like H4P better than Hostgator for good reasons. It is easy to use and understand especially I love its control panel. H4P has been around for long time. They have strong support team and most importantly unlike many cheap hosting companies H4P server is not on the blacklist of the major ISPs.

When it comes to the cost, H4P is not pricy at all. If you participate in its affiliate program and bring two-new-account, it pays for itself. Even if you don’t bring new account, still you don’t have to pay $24.95 a month… How? You join the affiliate program FIRST and then signup under your own affiliate ID and become your own first affiliate! That simple. When you do that, you’ll get $10 a month commission and your monthly hosting would be $14.95 and not $24.95 for as long as you keep your account.


Another good reason for me to stay with H4P is that Allan Says the founder of H4P and Warrior’s Forum is the first person who joined PIPS and holds the title of member #1 and this alone says a lot.

HostGator’s $7.95 monthly price is for a 24 month non-refundable contract with coupon. If you want to go for month by month option, it would be $9.95 a month. Not much of a difference in price comparing with the quality of the H4P.

Moving from one host to another is a big destruction. Imagine you live in your comfortable apartment and someone suggest to you to move to an unknown location for a little saving. Would you move? I wouldn’t…

Thanks,
Max

[Matt Helphrey]

Hi Stone,

This is great! PIPS just got cheaper which should increase the conversion rates. HostGator is to easy to use and provides plenty of one click install options.

This should be much easier to sell now. Thanks for the update.

Matt

[Lifechanging]

Interesting! I use HostGator for some of my other projects and have often toyed with the idea of shifting my PIPS hosting from Host4Profit to them, I like to have everything in the same place and commercially it makes sense. I have a business account with HostGator, so I pay $14.95 a month for unlimited domains, bandwidth, etc.

I've thought for a while that these days people are getting more and more tech aware and $24.95 for hosting is a big ask, when anyone can do a google search and see cheap offers starting at $1.99, so well done to Stone for realising this and offering HostGator.

I'll be 100% honest with you guys as I respect you all, I'm not doing much in the way of promoting PIPS at the moment, my other projects are keeping me busy. However my site does get regular (free) traffic, largely down to my article directory with over 10,000 articles, so I'm keen to keep the domain and one of these days I'm going to bring it back up to date and given the changes that Stone has made I'm more inclined to promote PIPS again. I'm really glad he has dropped the SU as this caused a lot of grief.

So I guess my question is, will existing PIPS site owners be moving their hosting to HostGator and if so, is there an official option to do this or would we be going it alone?

[Matt Helphrey]

Hi Max,

I would agree that hands down, H4P has better support, but not many people on the internet have better support than them.

If I am correct though, Stone isnt saying that ALL new members have to sign up with HostGator, but they have the option to sign up for either or...

I think having HostGator as an option for new PIPS members is a great addition to PIPS. Especially with the way the economy is now.

Im sure there are plenty of people who would disagree that $25 a month and $10 a month arent that much of a difference.

I am optimistic that having this option will increase our downline and put more money in our pockets. I just think that people are less likely to optin at $25 a month.

I would also disagree that webEpanel is easier to use than the more popular cPanel which HostGator provides. cPanel has plenty of one click install options including Fantastico which will allow you to install a WordPress blog with the click of a button.

Matt

[Jeff Casmer]

Hi,

I personally wont be but not because there is anything wrong with the other choice.....

Take care
Jeff Casmer

[Jeff Schuman]

HostGator is just an option for a new person signing up. I'm not sure everyone can switch to them although maybe that is an option.

I personally love H4P and would never leave them. In the few times I have needed it they offer great support. Plus you can host additional domains for $5 a month each which really brings down the average monthly price as you host more with them.

[Malcolm Tindle]

Hi,

I have been happy with Host4Profit but we are all in the so called credit crunch at the moment which is a phrase I don't much like because the only way back is to talk things up and be positive and not drive everything down with doom and gloom because the world markets and stock exchanges reflect and react to what business's say and do. However, with regards to H4P, they are not immune from this and I am sure they read these posts and will be aware of Host Gater and others and who knows, they may lower their prices, we can but hope !!

best wishes,

Mal.

[Malcolm Tindle]

Hi Max,

As Jeff has said, this is only an option than Stone is offering if you want it, personally I am happy with H4P and can't see myself leaving but maybe a drop in price would be appreciated certainly by those starting off on low budgets who are our customers and we don’t want to lose them.

Mal.

[Roy J. Keller]

Hello Fellow PIPSTERS,

I have been following this thread since it started and not spoke. However I guess it is time to inject my two cents into the mix.

I for one like getting my checks from H4P and they do not even charge a check fee to send it, as does the other affiliate programs. One is as high as three dollars per check no matter how small or large your commission.

The idea of H4P dropping their monthly fee lower than it sets now probably would mean that we would not get the $10 commission from each person that we bring in. How many other hosting companies pay you each month? Empowerism will pay you once since their hosting is a one time fee to set it up then it is free. Other than H4P and Empowerism I have not heard of any other hosting company paying commissions but then again I really have never shopped for another host.

Just my thoughts.

Regards,
Roy

[Patrician]

I love Host4Profit but HostGator has unlimited domains hosted for $7.95 per month. Even if we don't leave Host4Profit personally, this makes PIPS a heck of a lot cheaper to join.

HostGator has a fantastic affiliate program Roy - check it out.

Details are here: HostGator Web Hosting Affiliate Program - Make Money with Web Hosting Referrals

Make up to $125 per sale!

1-5 a month$50 ($50x5=$250)
6-10 a month$75($75x10=$750)
11-20 a month$100
21+ a month$125

The more you send the more you make!
We give the best returns on the Internet!

Example: If you send us 21 sign-ups in any month you will get $125x21 = $2,625

Hello, we have a 60 day hold on all commissions. This begins at the end of the current month. For example, any signups made in January would be paid out at the end of March. Any sign ups made in December will be paid out at the end of this month. The customer must be paid, and active at the time of payout for an affiliate to receive a commission. If they stay 30 days and cancel, no commission is awarded. We only pay for legitimate customers who plan to use our service and stay with our hosting.

Thank you for contacting HostGator!

Jay Weissman
Customer/Affiliate Manager
Sales Administrator

[Jake Law]

Wow,
I just started here. I'm not yet through the training. I am up to day 23... since last Tuesday. I just paid for H4P, but also have a Host Gator account. I've not been here long enough to have an opinion. Am I understanding that we have the option to change our hosting or is this an affiliate opportunity for us and new hosting option for anyone signing up tomorrow?
Thanks and I look forward to contributing...once I figure out what the heck I am doing!!

[Patrician]

HI Jake.

New members now have a choice of either Host4Profit or HostGator.

Both have affiliate programs and you should join both and add them to your PIPS account profile so you will earn commissions whichever your new customer chooses from the sales page/application.

As for transferring your domain from Host4Profit to HostGator.

In order to still quaify for WarriorPro/Host4Profit Reseller commissions you would need to keep your Host4Profit hosting account for a minimum of 3 months before moving it.

If you don't care about WarriorPro commissions you can move it anytime.

It is possible to transfer your site to HostGator and as they do advertise they will help you transfer the files for free, the only caveat there is do that BEFORE shutting down Host4Profit or you will lose your site.

While I can give you whatever the current version may be of the homepage, if you have done any custom design to your site - e.g., colors, site maps, Mega Site, SEO, etc., the new version would over-write the changes, i.e., you will lose the custom design.

So be sure to transfer or copy the files BEFORE shutting down Host4Profit.

[Michelle Jayes]

Hi

I think it's great that people now have a choice and I agree with Matt that it should make conversions easier. Personally I won't change as as the service I have had from H4P when I had a problem was fantastic, but it's good to have another opportunity to earn more money.

Michelle Jayes

[tplahav]

Hostgator is a great addition to PIPS, and I love the idea that PIPS is cheaper.

As for me, i am not leaving H4P, their support system is the best, they helped me fix things, and spend hours corresponding with me. One of them even called me to help when my blog wasn't showing.

Stone,
You made PIPS a better place. I guess, as the leader, you had to take our complains too. I hope now that you made all these changes, you will rest and let it sink.

Tanny

[Roy J. Keller]

Originally Posted by Patrician

.............................

HostGator has a fantastic affiliate program Roy - check it out...........................

Hi Pat,

Good to hear from you. As I said in my earlier post I have never shopped around for hosting so I have no clue what is out there. However thinking that others may have miss read what I was stating I did go to HostGator just after I posted and took a look around to see what they offered and I ended up answering my own questions when I seen the same things you posted here.

My questions now are with such low monthly rates how can they pay out such high commissions or is there a catch somewhere in their terms of service, other than the fact that they hold them for at least 60 days. Not saying that there are just asking. Wow, I have become even more of a skeptic than I have ever been in my life. That's Internet for you.

Anyway thank you for you insight.

Regards,
Roy

[GT]

Hello, PIPS/Warriors:

I am a happy Host4Profit customer for reasons mentioned by others in this thread.

I understand the reasoning behind adding HostGator to PIPS. I have not yet researched HostGator, but I hear affiliate program warning bells, even though I know it's been around for a long time and I know from this forum and others that it is recommended by many.

How can they charge $7.95 per account and pay out $125.00? That is something I seriously need to look into! Must be that elusive conversion "secret" that many of us have been trying to discover for ages!

GT

[houdy]

If you run multiple domains and any WordPress blogs you will learn more about the shortcomings of H4P. If you compare it to the higher-end HostGator or the basic BlueHost options out there you will see a BIG difference in the CPanel and settings. I agree that simplicity (in the Cpanel or eWebPanel) is a good thing for newbies. But H4P leaves a lot to be desired for growth and there are cheaper options with good affiliate programs available now.

In their defense H4P is quick to reply to support emails. But if they would just change over to a full-fledged hosting account they would be much better and no need to have CHANGE.

[Patrician]

Well - I found out after setting up my first site on HostGator that neither FireFox or Chrome worked on either of their editors -

DANGIT! I am stuck with buggy, icky, dinosaur speeded Internet Explorer.

So as far as 'high-end' - either of the 3 browsers does work at Host4Profit.

Then again, HostGators has phone support 24 hours so I had a very nice, patient person stick with me until we figured out why it would not save the files - (it was me that suggested it may be Chrome's fault) and sure enough I was right. They confirmed my belief that both FireFox and Chrome have over-kill security...

(as well their homepage displays really badly (illegible) in Firefox)...

Point is however, their support is great - and the phone was a blessing. Lots more trouble to have been doing emails describing what was happening.

I have yet to call and find out how they can pay all that money in commissions for $4.95 or $7.95 packages - guess I am hoping somebody else will find out for me - hint hint. If not I will get to it eventually.

[Patrician]

Also want to reiterate for those of you who are thinking of moving your site - HostGator does offer FREE help to do that.

Remember to copy or move your files BEFORE you shut down Host4Profit.

[Patrician]

HERE IS HOW THEY CAN PAY THOSE HUGE COMMISSIONS.

I called them last night and explained our skepticism.

Indeed true that for a $7.95 or even a $4.95 package they will pay the huge commissions.

Question: How can you afford to do that?

Answer: We look at it like this:

It is not just $7.95 - if the person starts an account it is more than likely they will stay at least several months. So it is $7.95+$7.95+$7.95+++

Believe me we would not do this unless it made money for us too.
(end of conversation)

So although the commissions are larger, they are one time and not monthly like Host4Profit.

There is quite a learning curve with setting up the sites there, and it seems every new account has a different problem the customer needs to correct before I can proceed - so I am learning - in the 'hit the ground running' and 'management by exception' school in PIPS University.

Every problem is a new opportunity to learn. (eeee, gnashing of teeth, pulling of hair)

I will be on a first name basis with them all before long I have called so many times so far.

Make up to $125 per sale!

1-5 a month $50
6-10 a month $75
11-20 a month $100
21+ a month $125

The more you send the more you make!
We give the best returns on the Internet!

Example: If you send us 21 sign-ups in any month you will get $125x21 = $2,625

Hello, we have a 60 day hold on all commissions. This begins at the end of the current month. For example, any signups made in January would be paid out at the end of March. Any sign ups made in December will be paid out at the end of this month. The customer must be paid, and active at the time of payout for an affiliate to receive a commission. If they stay 30 days and cancel, no commission is awarded. We only pay for legitimate customers who plan to use our service and stay with our hosting.

Thank you for contacting HostGator!

Jay Weissman
Customer/Affiliate Manager
Sales Administrator

[branstyweb]

Hi I've been following this thread and it has been informative, I do understand that staying with H4P or changing to hostgator is personal (business) choice.

BUT I have a question to ask, currently when a new member joins PIPS, their website is set up on H4P for free, is this also done on hostgator for them?

I personally would prefer to leave my account where it is (H4P), but if I was restarting, I would probably go for the cheaper option.
I can see the logic of offering a cheaper option as this would (could, should) lead to more signups. But looking at the postings above, it looks as if they pay a 1 off payment for each signup, and H4P is a monthly payment. OK for the "established" members with all set up and regular signups, but us new starters (with no paid members yet), it looks even further away to make PIPS self funding nevermind making a living from it.

[Patrician]

We set up new sites for free for either hosting option.

Existing members who want to move need to do it themselves - HostGator does advertise free help in transferring files.

[iddigger]

I went to my pips sales page the other day and I saw hostgator on it so I decided I want to change.

Reasons

#1 They have cpanel so I have a lot more options which are the same as my other servers, also I can install wordpress easier.
#2 They have 24-7 support which h4p doesn't.

Question
Will I still be an affilite for h4p and warrior ?
How should I go about this ?

Thanks

[Patrician]

If you have had your Host4Profit hosting account a minimum of 3 months, then you can still get commissions from WarriorPro after you change hosts.

If less than 3 months, you would not.

[hirohurl]

I am pleased to be able to offer Hostgator on the sales page as well as H4P.

Personally, I'll stick with H4P.

As I understand it, access to the Warrior Forum is part of the H4P package, so new accounts that choose Hostgator would NOT get access to the Warrior forum unless they PAY - is that right, or did I miss something?

Thanks!

DH

[Patrician]

Yes you 'missed something' - Not related - you get your Warrior Forum membership as part of PIPS either way.

Originally Posted by hirohurl

I am pleased to be able to offer Hostgator on the sales page as well as H4P.

Personally, I'll stick with H4P.

As I understand it, access to the Warrior Forum is part of the H4P package, so new accounts that choose Hostgator would NOT get access to the Warrior forum unless they PAY - is that right, or did I miss something?

Thanks!

DH

[Patrician]

Update on the Affiliate program.

I asked about the 60 day hold and what if a customer quits after 1 month.

Hello, we have a 60 day hold on all commissions. This begins at the end of the current month. For example, any signups made in January would be paid out at the end of March. Any sign ups made in December will be paid out at the end of this month. The customer must be paid, and active at the time of payout for an affiliate to receive a commission. If they stay 30 days and cancel, no commission is awarded. We only pay for legitimate customers who plan to use our service and stay with our hosting.

Thank you for contacting HostGator!

Jay Weissman
Customer/Affiliate Manager
Sales Administrator

[Suzanne Morrison]

I'm really pleased that HostGator has been added as an option and hopefully it will increase the conversion rate as it gives people who are on a tight budget the chance to sign up. Also, because a lot of people quit after 1-2 months I would rather have $50-125 one time commission than $10 per month.

At the moment I am pretty happy with Host4Profit and don't plan to move anywhere, but I do have other sites on Hostgator too and have done for the last three years and my experience with them has been very good too.

However, I can understand why some people may want to move, as saving $15 or so per month may be quite helpful for many people, especially in the current climate.

If you are moving from Host4Profit to Hostgator, there are a few things that you need to think about first:

(1) Whatever you do, do not cancel Host4Profit until you have done the transfer AND you are completely satisfied that everything is working ok.

(2) The complexity of your move from one host to the other is dependent on what you have on your website. For example if you have Wordpress or an article directory you will need to backup and restore the MySQL database and do a reinstall on the new host. If you don't have anything like this, it should be a relatively straightforward transfer of files. You can use FTP to transfer all your files from the old host to your PC, then upload them to the new host using FTP. Alternatively you can do a backup in the WebEpanel and then upload it and extract it to the Hostgator cpanel.

(3) If you have a blogger blog published on your website you will need to login to blogger.com and change the FTP settings to the new FTP settings otherwise you won't be able to publish your blog after the move.

(4) When you have moved the files you will need to change the domain name settings to point to the new host's name servers. How you do this depends on where you registered your domain name. You certainly don't want to be changing your domain name as you would lose all links pointing to it.

So, if you are considering moving it makes sense to think about all the above points and plan out how you will do it first as it is not always a straightforward 5 minute changeover.

If you need any advice on the above you are welcome to contact me and if you let me know your domain name I can send you a more detailed set of instructions based on what you have on your site.

Cheers,
Suzanne

[Charles Boustany]

Thank You Suzanne
Your advice has helped me complete the move although this was planned before Stone's addition

I would like to add that this is not a 5 minute job but is a simple one and HG help line is very good they helped me a lot considering my reason for moving was because my JOOMLA Site was corrupted

I cant imagine how I manged without Fantastico as the name say it is wonderful

I still have to check my URL linking but am getting there

One added advantage is the reseller option which I have chosen which is for the same price as H4P

I must say that H4P moved my domain name and arranged to close my account within the end of my monthly payment

Suzanne is right do not cancel H4P till you have completely and satisfactorily moved your files

Hope this is of some help
Charles

PS I Installed JOOMLA 1.5.9 in such a short time I had to check it to believe it

[godisgood]

Hi,

If you are not a technical person it would cause you too much hassle to move your site. i am happy anyway with Host4profit. I do get technical support from them so i don't have any problem though it's good also that you can offer something else to your customer. What i would like to know is how did Host4profit reacted to this changes? Competition is healthy sometimes

Jennifer

[Malcolm Tindle]

Hi,

Some great advice in this post and I am in the process of changing from a Joomla site to Wordpress and have been informed that you are only allowed a maximum of three databases with H4P so that could be a problem further down the road but for now I will concentrate on getting my WP right becasue I will have one 'live' DB and one test along with my blogger blog so that is my three used up.

Mal.

[stone]

Members,

Host Gator has been dropped as a hosting option for PIPS.

The only way to get a Plug-In Profit Site is to use Host4Profit hosting.

It was too confusing...

Thank you,

Stone Evans

[GT]

Hey, Stone:

I can understand. I don't like seeing another change, mind you. But I can understand.

I can see how the potential for confusion and the hassle it must cause you and Patricia would not be worth it.

GT

[kazakhan]

Now it's in, now it's out what will PIPs look like next week :rolleyes:

[typedrobin]

It's a pity the hostgator has a nice affiliate program...

[Patrician]

The only thing wrong with the affiliate program is the 60 Day hold and it is a significant issue.

- lots of people quit before 60 days - they would hold the commissions and if the person quits before the 2nd billing, the sponsor loses the one-time commission entirely.

-- whereas Host4Profit you would get money from the first month and every month for as long as the customer stays.

To tell you the truth - you wouldn't expect it to be the case because of the cheap start up of HostGator, but it was running on average out of 10 sales for instance, only 2 3 picked HostGator - and 7-8 picked Host4Profit - it was like this the entire time we had HG.

The set up is very complicated compared to Host4Profit. I was spending hours on the phone with HG and going back and forth with applicants, trying to find out exactly what was wrong because the customer hadn't added the "add on" domain, hadn't added it to the right folder, redirected the DNS, registered the domain name.

As well adding pages was more steps than with H4P - you have to add the file names and then go back and edit to create the page... I know it doesn't sound like much but if you do it for a whole batch process every day you notice the extra steps.

I am not the reason it was removed at all - in fact in spite of all this I am disappointed - I thought having a low cost alternative was a good idea and I was willing to get used to it and eventually I would have. I really learned a lot and have opened my own account there (at this point I have both hosting companies).

[Blueray639]

I must say that I am glad that HostGator has been dropped as I think it was very confusing for newbies when they start on a program too much choice is not good for them as it only creates information overload.

Regards

Ray

[Jeff Casmer]

Hi Folks,

The 60 day hold is a concern. There are alot of people who dont give PIPS a chance or dont work the program therefore would drop out before 60 days...then you lose the commissions....

Somtimes the grass isnt always greener on the other side of the fence

As I have tried to tell people..LOL

Take care
Jeff Casmer

[Blueray639]

Hi Jeff

Yes as you say the 60 days is a worry because we are not looking to make a quick buck from people who sign up and then drop out but it is only fair that we get paid something for our efforts in getting them in the first place.

Ray

[tplahav]

It was while it lasted.

It was confusing, and I understand why you dropped it.

Tanny

[zhuuraan]

I believe I was one of the last, if not the last, person to use Host Gator and we were having a few issues. I spoke to their live techs and they said it was some issue with the nameservers.

It is rather confusing though and I wish I'd have gone with Host4Profit now. I suppose I will probably stick with it as is for now but when it expires, I will make the switch.

I noticed that several pages of the 30 days to success were missing. Will they be updated automatically or how will taht work?