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Unread 7th Apr 2012, 11:33 PM   #1
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I haven't bought the system and would like to know if any of you members are really making money from this?

I heard Stone Evans is a great guy and all, but if anyone has some kind of earning proof to show here I'd probably jump on the PIPS salesletter.

If you are customers, what kind of things do you get from PIPS? I've read the sales letter but I can't seem to see clearly what the offer is...

One of the testimonials by a 'guru' says there's a step-by-step system... Another says there's a need to drive traffic to it... And the sales letter promises:
-A new website
-Fully-written AR campaign (is it reused for all customers?)

Also, it seems like a huge information overload from all the bonuses. Then I see things like MLM all over the support forum... Just why is MLM in PIPS? I can't seem to see the picture clearly...

In summary:
-What do you *really* get?
-Are you *really* making money from such a saturated niche?
-How do you continue to keep the business up (traffic, conversions etc)?
-Are the AR sequences and websites created for personalization or are they reused again and again for every customer?

Help would be great

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translating the sales page
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The Plug-In Profit Site is a free service and will provide you with a website including a Wordpress blog, free training online, a sales page like the one at pluginprofitsite.com, the follow-up '400 Days' autoresponder newsletter series, all encoded with your information, and also several bonus offers.

Plug-In Profit Site is an Internet Affiliate Marketing System.
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The only requirement for signing up is having your own Domain Name Registration ($1.99-9.99 per year)** * and a HostThenProfit/GVO affiliate hosting account ($1 first week(s) and $10 per month afterwards). All other costs are optional.

Join as many affiliate programs as you can afford now, and/or you may also prefer to join some after you become a member of Plug-In Profit Site. The affiliate programs are the source of your potential commissions.
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Please submit a valid application so we can process it and build your website.

Full details are at: http://www.PlugInProfitSite.com

Please complete the 3-step application.
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Step #1 – Join as many affiliate programs as you can afford at this time

Step #2 - Register a domain name at Plug-In Profit Site Domains Browser Update Page ***
GVO/HostThenProfit affiliate program is required for Hosting.

Step #3 - Submit the application to Plug-In Profit Site

* If you have already done Step 1 and 2 you can go straight to
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*** Required:***

Register a domain at ==> Plug-In Profit Site Domains Browser Update Page
so the DNS will be set automatically to GVO and we can proceed to build a website there for you.

We will only be able to accept domains registered elsewhere if you have changed the DNS (domain nameservers) at your Registrar to point to GVO’s hosting service. The DNS is:

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.GVODNS.COM
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You will need a major credit card or Paypal.com for the domain name registration.
You will need a major credit card or AlertPay.com for the hosting.*

Both of these are the minimum requirement (see Step 2 below)

*AlertPay pending

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Note from Stone Evans:

What is the TOTAL cost required to sign up today?

First of all, my service to build your website and teach you how I make money online is 100% free. The ONLY requirement to receive my service is a domain name that you register or transfer here. This can be done for as little as $1.99 for a .info domain name and a HostThenProfit/GVO affiliate account (for hosting the site @ $1 trial).

That said, I recommend a .com domain which is easier to promote for just $9.97. Either way, registering a domain name here is the only requirement to receive my full service and getting FREE hosting account for your website from your GVO affiliate membership.

The affiliate programs are all optional and you can join any of them you want at whatever level you choose. These are the 5 programs SFI, MyWorldPlus, 7 Minute Workout, Traffic Swarm, HostThenProfit/GVO that I've developed into an automated system for helping you make money on the Internet so the more programs you do join, the more money you will be setup to make from your website.

I've learned over the years that it is very important to develop multiple streams of income because if one dries up or goes away, you'll have others that are still supporting you financially. These programs are the best out of 100's I've tested over the years.

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With all due respect I don't see the negative connotation to using the same newsletter for every customer 'over and over'?

What difference does this make? Each of your prospects who opts-in to your newsletter will get 216 messages encoded with your affiliate IDs. It goes out to them over a span of 400 days.

Each individual person receives the whole series - why does it detract from this that others receive the same messages? Are they comparing? LOL? Omigod he said the same thing to me yesterday? LOL.

With that said although these are professionally written letters you have access to them in the autoresponder account. So If you want to change them periodically you are free to do that. (but really I can't see how anybody would make them better - in fact I doubt that they could unless they are really a talented writer.

You are also free to add broadcasts (one time messages to the series) and/or to create other campaigns with totally different letters. If you wanted your opt-in subscribers to have a different campaign you would just re-code your web form with the appropriate campaign name.

The so-called 'MLM' are the way that you make income from your website. You are also free to add other programs, products or services to your site by using easy 'pages', 'widgets' or theme 'ad management options'.

The programs have multiple ways of making money from them - most have multiple products and you can either just sell the program itself with all that goes with it or to specialize for example if you wanted to sell hosting or to sell discount coupons.

Since there is such an array of programs/products among the 5 optional programs, you can hardly say there is a glut in the niche.

As well because there is always an emerging market with countries all over the world still coming online for the first time, people becoming disenchanted or outright disenfranchised in their careers, an economy where paychecks are not rising at the same rate as the cost of living, there will always be people looking for opportunities to earn money.

Yes. The niche is money - we all need it and there never seems to be enough (it's a need, not a want) - and never too much (glut) - who could ever have too much? Maybe the 1% rich?


p.s. feel free to ask anything else or anything that i missed -

In a nutshell 'what you actually get' is basic training in what actions you need to take to build and develop (promote) a business online.

What I found was the answer to my dilemma of how to use all of the various tools and techniques all together in one place - a cohesive plan to make it all work together - before that I had all the pieces and fragments of information but no idea how to apply any of it.

What you get is a savings of hours and maybe even years of time to learn how to build a website, how to write letters, set it all up and put it all out there. (or to save the cost of having someone do everything for you). Stone does all the preliminary things for you to get started.

Your only 'job' is to promote your business -

So it all depends on how much time and effort you are willing to invest in your business. We can give you pure gold but if you don't do anything with it it won't do anything to help you.

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Hmm I didn't mean it in a negative way, but more from a marketing perspective. Thanks for summarizing the offer!

I meant something more to the lines of: If every PIPS marketer sends the same AR sequence, and somehow a few customers sign up to two PIPS marketers who send the exact same email campaign to them, it'll look a little, well, "off".

I guess you have a point anyway - the chances are quite slim. I guess I could rewrite the AR sequence since I'm a copywriter...

I really want to buy in, but I think i just need one final question...

What kind of traffic comes to the site...
SEO? Email? PPC? Ads/media buys?

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Originally Posted by ChloeCKimberley View Post

-Are you *really* making money from such a saturated niche?
The home business niche will never be saturated online or offline.

Think of how many babies are born each day around North America and around the world.
In 17-20 years from today, many of them will not want to be a part of the rat race or the corporate world and will be looking for an opportunity like PIPS or any other opportunity online.

Even in 50 years from today, this niche will still will never be saturated. EVER.

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Originally Posted by ChloeCKimberley View Post


What kind of traffic comes to the site...
SEO? Email? PPC? Ads/media buys?
That is the part you have to play as explained above by Patricia i.e. "PROMOTION". You determine the type or combination of traffic types that come/go to your site.

You are taught/guided though, to generate different traffic types, in the 30 days training guide provided FREE as part of your membership of the Plug-In Profit Site, as well as through various questions and answer series on this forum.

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Originally Posted by ChloeCKimberley View Post


What kind of traffic comes to the site...
SEO? Email? PPC? Ads/media buys?
Nothing 'comes' to the site. You will 'drive' traffic to your website and sales page by numerous strategies - which are outlined in the training.

All that you mention -- and you are lucky because you have the number 1 skill other than self-motivation and determination needed for Internet Marketing -- WRITING.

-- Writing unique content for your blog, Web2.0 sites, social network sites, article directories, forum posting, ads, etc. using SEO techniques (targeted keywords) (back link building), email marketing/list building.

It's a lot of consistent, aggressive WORK that is required to build a foundation and then to sustain your momentum over time.

It is not however really difficult unless you feel you can't or you won't even try to write content, in which case you will need to pay someone to do it for you. It doesn't have to be Pulitzer Prize writing - for a blog even a paragraph or two will suffice if it is relevant to your business and has good keywords.

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Hi Chloe...

Welcome.

If you have never done affiliate marketing before, this program is a great way to learn the business. The training program is one of the best.

You will be promoting the programs within the system. Plus, you can promote PIPS also,

I would suggest that you do some research on the programs that you can join thru PIPS.

I see you write copy, have you done SEO before? If not, do some research on Internet marketing, affiliate marketing, search engine optimization.

As for how much money you can make. That depends on you. It requires a lot of time, effort, and determination. It is not a get rich quick scheme, you will have to work at it.

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Hi Chloe and welcome to PIPS. Very nice to meet you.

This may be a little off topic, but I always recommend that people that are new to Internet Marketing or a different model of Internet Marketing to:

"Look before you leap"

Essentially, look at the industry and decide if it is 'for you' or 'not for you' and more importantly if you decide it is 'for you' - do so without huge expectations of fast money (dollar signs in your eyes). Why? Because in reality to be successful it takes what some may find to be hard work. The trick is to work smart!

Working Smart starts with Smart Training. PIPS provides some pretty smart training from some real smart people. What makes PIPS unique is Free Smart Training and this Free support forum full of smart people that are willing to help. Not easy to find these days!

I advocate 'make a plan' and 'work the plan' for long term success. Be prepared to change the plan because the industry is always changing. We are always sharing aspects of the business simply because no one person can keep up with everything. Plans can and will change often.

You will see that Stone is always adding programs and often removing said programs quickly. That is part of the business.. identify programs for long and short term. He is always on top of 'what is new' and 'what works' and 'what slacks off' and even when 'mistakes happen' - it is just business. So be prepared for a "Roller Coaster Ride' in this business - it is the nature of the business. Understand that and work it into your mindset and more importantly...

...your plan. That is pretty much what I share with my clients.

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Hey Jeff--PIPS potential customer here. I'm looking for a stable IM business platform to build and expand over the next several years (I'm semi retired now..). I have hosting and niche blogs already online.

Can PIPS fit this platform.---e.g can I outsource some of the building blocks to accelerate the learning curve and/or automate. Which do you recommend? I want to work smart...

I don't want to be tied to daily maintenance just to keep in business. (I know there are a lot of shinny promos out there that promise auto profits)

I'm looking for a mature system-- with a track record I can build on. Are there PIPS vendors/partners who would like to work with me on this?
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Originally Posted by gregorio View Post

Hey Jeff--PIPS potential customer here. I'm looking for a stable IM business platform to build and expand over the next several years (I'm semi retired now..). I have hosting and niche blogs already online.

Can PIPS fit this platform.---e.g can I outsource some of the building blocks to accelerate the learning curve and/or automate. Which do you recommend? I want to work smart...

I don't want to be tied to daily maintenance just to keep in business. (I know there are a lot of shinny promos out there that promise auto profits)

I'm looking for a mature system-- with a track record I can build on. Are there PIPS vendors/partners who would like to work with me on this?
Hi Greg,

Welcome to the PIPS Support Forum.

The short answer to your questions is.. you are going to have to spend a lot time learning the business and a lot of time promoting the business. You are going to have to spend money to make money.

A bit more detail.

PIPS is a stable platform, but it is more about Multiple Level Marketing (MLM) which is a very different form of marketing compared to Affiliate Marketing and Niche Marketing.

The learning curve can be accelerated if you use this forum to ask questions and participate in discussions.

Personally, I recommend outsourcing only when you want or need something done that you can not do yourself and want it done right the first time. Example: Squeeze Pages aka Landing Pages which are essential to MLM and List Building.

Daily maintenance depends on your marketing methods. The main marketing method of this business is you will need to promote and promote and promote. That means managing your promotions "semi-daily" to "daily". Sorry, but if you do not want to be tied to daily maintenance then I suggest that you outsource or expect zero to minimal ROI. I'm just shooting straight here and in your best interest.

There are folks that will work with you. Some will not. Some are very successful and simply do not have the time to mentor others.

However, a handful of success people do frequent the forum and help where they can. The leaders are Stone Evans and Patrician. Stone seldom visits the forum unless he has a new project announcement. Patrician is all over the forum and that is a good thing. She keeps us out of trouble and that is a good thing. Jeff Casmer, Jeff Schumann, and GT are long time friends and will always point you in the right direction. Stephen Meyer and Allen Lundy also frequent the forum and create very helpful posts.

Some shysters visit the form and want you to mail them, so they can take advantage of you. These are people with a few posts, never contribute, etc. You don't want to get involved with them. If they do not have a PIPS Site in their signatures I suggest you ignore them.

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Nice remarks Talfighel. The home business will never get saturated. More and more people will join the world over and they will all have access to great opportunities to make money online. Thanks for those good comments.


Originally Posted by talfighel View Post

The home business niche will never be saturated online or offline.

Think of how many babies are born each day around North America and around the world.
In 17-20 years from today, many of them will not want to be a part of the rat race or the corporate world and will be looking for an opportunity like PIPS or any other opportunity online.

Even in 50 years from today, this niche will still will never be saturated. EVER.

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Hi Chloe,
I have just joined PIPS( last week), & i have to say i am very impressed with my site, see link below. So far i have spent approx £10 so excellent value so far. however i do have some concerns. I am feeling, & i think Chloe wanted the same, that i would like to hear from people that have been in the program for the 3 to 6 months time period, who are actively working the system, to see just what results THEY have acheived & wether or not they are at least covering the monthly subscriptions. I of course realise that this not a get rich scheme & that you need to put the work in to get a return in the long term. My main concerns are that having read the first 10 days or so of the training that i could have spent a lot more money. I have signed up to all 5 programs & so in a couple of weeks time i will be commited to paying approx £100pm. Now, this is a very small investment in what i hope will become a full time business for me, and i am willing to commit any amount of hours to my business in the beginning to make this work. But the truth is at the moment i am time rich but cash poor & i need reassurance from someone that has done this that my commitment will not be misplaced & that in the relevant short term that i will be making a profit, no matter how small. Please reply if you've got this 3/6 month experience & let everyone know how you are getting on & of course any other advice will be gratefully received. Many Thanks

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Hi Rhinos - you can't really judge by this forum because not many of our members come here - Mostly only when they are new and then I guess they get too busy.

We do have some 'old faithfuls' though that have been with PIPS for many years and they come now and then -

You can't really base much on other people anyway because while someone might come and say they have been with PIPS 3-6 months and haven't made any money, they are likely ones who have used only one or two techniques and not done them consistently or aggressively even at that.

PIPS has been around for years and if it didn't work it wouldn't still be here. I have been processing new orders for a long time (this is my 8th year) and I can say 6 days a week for 8 years there are always new orders EVERY day -- so SOMEBODY is working hard enough and selling this program and it is not just Stone Evans by any means!

Just do YOUR best and be fully engaged with your business, keep working consistently and you will see for YOURSELF what YOU can do!

I wish you the best!

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Hi Patrician, thanks for the reply. I'm new to all of this & just nervous i guess. Everything takes twice as long & it can be quite frustrating at times But then, if it was too easy then everyone would be a millionaire .

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Originally Posted by ChloeCKimberley View Post

I haven't bought the system and would like to know if any of you members are really making money from this?

I heard Stone Evans is a great guy and all, but if anyone has some kind of earning proof to show here I'd probably jump on the PIPS salesletter.

If you are customers, what kind of things do you get from PIPS? I've read the sales letter but I can't seem to see clearly what the offer is...

One of the testimonials by a 'guru' says there's a step-by-step system... Another says there's a need to drive traffic to it... And the sales letter promises:
-A new website
-Fully-written AR campaign (is it reused for all customers?)

Also, it seems like a huge information overload from all the bonuses. Then I see things like MLM all over the support forum... Just why is MLM in PIPS? I can't seem to see the picture clearly...

In summary:
-What do you *really* get?
-Are you *really* making money from such a saturated niche?
-How do you continue to keep the business up (traffic, conversions etc)?
-Are the AR sequences and websites created for personalization or are they reused again and again for every customer?

Help would be great
I don't have a PIPS signature in my profile (yes I have a pips system) that doesn't mean I don't have something valuable to add here ;-)

I don't know if ChloeKimberley got a PIPS system or not, in fact it doesn't really matter, but I do what to emphasize the main point here is that you need traffic no matter what you're promoting.

A lot of people seem to think they can buy a product in this case a PIPS system and automatically everything is done for them and the money will start rolling in.

In fact PIPS helps you get the ball rolling a lot faster than if you tried to go at it by yourself. It's your job to keep the ball in motion.

If you're brand new to the Internet marketing or network marketing the training in the PIPS system is invaluable even if you have no plans to market the system itself you will learn a lot more than if you go at it alone.

Just my two cents...

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I had a PIPS years ago, I was very busy at the time and struggling to make ends meet. I was self employed which took a lot of my time and effort. So I joined the coop and purchased TCD. After a few months with no results I got out. I currently work in the oil field and make good money, but I don't have anytime to enjoy myself so I turned back to network marketing. I currently promote Body By Vi 90 day challenge ( cnettleton.bodybyvi.com ), I also came across, Why the 3% of Network Marketers Will Continue To Make More Money, when searching for marketing tips.

Let me know what you think, and I'm very interested in hearing about your experiences with the PIPS

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I had a PIPS years ago, I was very busy at the time and struggling to make ends meet. I was self employed which took a lot of my time and effort. So I joined the coop and purchased TCD. After a few months with no results I got out. I currently work in the oil field and make good money, but I don't have anytime to enjoy myself so I turned back to network marketing. I currently promote Body By Vi 90 day challenge ( cnettleton.bodybyvi.com ), I also came across, Why the 3% of Network Marketers Will Continue To Make More Money, when searching for marketing tips.

Let me know what you think, and I'm very interested in hearing about your experiences with the PIPS

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Hey Chuck, welcome back to PIPS.

I'm happy to see that you are pursuing your Internet marketing business while making good (OIL) money. I always seem to come back online only when things are rough so I think that you have a better chance than most of making it with your online network marketing business.

As crisstar663 says, it's all centered around TARGETED traffic. This is how the PIPS system works:

1. You tap into multiple streams of targeted traffic, including the exact same programs you are promoting like TrafficSwarm and SFI
2. You get as many leads as possible to sign up to your list
3. You send them a series of USEFUL and INFORMATIVE autoresponder emails
4. You get them really interested in the value you seem to offer
5. They willingly sign up to your FREE offer by signing up to your AFFILIATE offer (HostThenProfit)
6. You set up for them the EXACT system you have just used to turn them into your paying customers.
7. You provide them with training on how to build massive lists of TARGETED subscribers using some extremely powerful traffic and list building tools (which, incidentally, you are also promoting)
8. You provide them with training on how to maximize their profits using some extremely profitable network marketing programs (which, incidentally, you are also promoting)
9. You show them how to duplicate their efforts with their targeted traffic (just as you have duplicated yours with them) with a system that almost runs on autopilot
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Well, it worked for me, and I am a pretty seasoned tire-kicker. Yet here I am within the system AND working the system.

My experiences? Let's talk at the end of the month and I'll give you some detailed results.

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The good news is that you dont have to buy PIPs to get started. Stone offers everything you need to get up and running. How much of it you do and how much you invest in your business is up to you. The more you put into it with time and money the more you will get out of it. Stone is not a rip-off artist and his system works. The amount of information he provides for you would take years of trial and error to accumulate on your own.

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I have one thing bothering me a bit...

The headline of this thread is very valid - will it work in 2012? - And I asked that question myself due to the look of the Plug-In Sales Page.

What I mean is this: The hint to check out Plug-In Profits came to me from Russel as a mailing to DCSX members. The thing is - I have seen the Plug-In Profits site MANY times before throughout let's say the last 2-3 years, but did not ever feel compelled to join. Interesting, isn't it..?

This means I have come across the sales page, I have read it earlier already, I felt the story is compelling and the marketer behind, after research, seemed ethical and legitimate.
But I still did not feel I wanted to join!
This is all I can say as feedback about how my perception of the site has been.

Reason is - no offense meant here, I just felt it looks old fashioned. Seriously, the graphics layout looked to me like one of the old, one of the first, one of the pioneer kind of internet marketing websites...! Which it actually IS, considering, that indeed this system has been around for quite a long time now.
But somehow I was deeply convinced, just from the graphical look of the site, that it must be some old, probably outdated strategies.

And now it hit me like a truly big surprise when Russel recommended it! I mean NOW. In 2012. As if it was state of the art today... And this is when I looked into it, and singed up to seriously check it out.

But what does this story tell me? The program is solid, the system ready in place, just plug-in and go promote - BUT in the first place, someone has to join! The point I am trying to make here is - Is it only me who had this doubts to join based on a doubtful merely optical impression?

I mean is it only my perception, that I was totally convinced, this must be something outdated and old? Now, from the look inside, I think it is a solid system, but I am wondering who will join when people have the same first impression as I did?! For two years I was presented with this offer several times, and always neglected it.

The website may have worked well earlier. But I strongly believe a little face lift could do wonders. Maybe I am wrong. But I cannot stop wondering how I never got to join it until an "authority" recommended it. This means the site does not sell itself..?

I might be wrong, but please take this just as honest feedback.

For example the ebook covers (bonuses) are definitely old fashioned. The content might be timeless. But the fact of the matter is, that nowadays ebook covers look different. And the first thing I wanted to do is rework the ebook covers on my blog, and replace the look. But what is the use of it, when inside the system the covers are the old ones - this would only confuse people.

In short, so far I was hesitant to take much action in promoting it. I am not convinced, that people can see the value in it from outside. Some will always join. But I believe a really small effort could do wonders - just replacing the ebook covers and replacing the website's sales page graphics just a little bit, would make it look up-to date. Nothing big. Just for example replacing the look of the text frame of the sales page (affiliate site) to get rid of this 2008-ish look ;-)

Opinions?
Is it only me?
Still I cannot stop wondering how for so long I had neglected this site, although I've seen it all over again.


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Your points are well taken Sanja. Personally I agree somewhat.

... but Stone feels that the sales page is working as it is and has always worked and he is hesitant to change it for that reason.

There is something to be said about the 'brand' - the tried and true, trusted brand of Plug-In Profit Site - and that is the face of it. It is recognized and been around for a long time - unlike many other 'fly by night' companies that have come and gone.

We have recently however completely overhauled the website design that the members receive, and it is miles more 'modern' than the classic that we had various versions of for many years.

As well the training is always changing and new strategies added - but again there are still those that always worked to various degrees at different times - the ones that come and go and come back again -

I have to disagree with the 'eBook cover' comments - as we have ONE eBook for Dotcomology and I think it is one of the nicest looking and 'cool' designs of any of thousands of others I have seen over the years -- the colors are vivid and you can't get smarter than Einstein for an icon. There are several sizes from tiny to huge - boxes, as well as horizontal banners (in the Marketing section of PIPS member back offices).

The bottom line is it is about what you do with it. How much effort you are willing to invest in promoting it - it's all about marketing -- and the substance and track record behind the face. We've got plenty of that!

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Hi Sanja,

My name is Jeffery and it is nice to meet you. You write and express yourself nicely. In many ways you do make good points.

Me personally, a new look might be a good thing and might be a bad thing. A new look might attract a younger market, but it may put off the older market. Maybe a mix of both?

Stone and some very experienced hitters contributed to the look of the site a long time ago. Look at those heavy hitters today and some of their sites are still the same after all these years. Must have something positive about it?

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I gave PIPS a look because of Russell Brunson's raves about it, like I've heard others say. I like the idea of having the sales funnels all built in, but it seems like the whole story is driving traffic. So... how have PIPS members been driving traffic? SEO, PPC, solos..??? I guess everyone does there own thing, but is there one or two methods that seem to be best for PIPS?

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HI dm101 -

You should at least go through the 30 Days to Success training at least once and see what all Stone has to say - since he has been very successful.

Lots of ways to drive traffic suggested there -

Of all of them, I still think SEO is the way to go - not just because it is free but because it is permanent - most advertising/traffic strategies are more or less one shot - an email - a solo ad - or whatever - they run X number of times for X amount of time -(and XX amount of dollars in some cases) -- at the end of the day, whatever you get in return, that's all she wrote.

...but back links and content just stay on and on for the life of your domain.

(one of the most compelling things Stone has ever said in my opinion is when he tells how an article he posted 6 years ago (at that time) is still bringing him traffic.)

That is what I call BRILLIANT ADVERTISING = PERMANENT

I think having your site re-indexed each time you post to the blog on your PIPS home page is the foundation to developing an internet business-

In other words no matter what else you do, you should learn about keywords and write unique content and do that as consistently and frequently as possible.

Let the bots know you have a pulse. People will come!

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I don't know where I read online but the work at home industry is growing very fast right now. There are 100,000's of people who are going online for the first time each day and are looking for some sort of an online business. So you can do really well there.

It is just a matter of having many of these people see your program and signing up with you.

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I totally agree that the market is limitless and is growing steadily.

The challenge we face as marketers is the fact that IM is a business and business draws competition. We are in an extremely competitive and fast moving industry, but the potential is there, so that means we just have to learn the basics and best practices of this business, apply them diligently, and maintain a focus on learning new skills and improving our existing ones.

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Originally Posted by SuccessMatrix View Post

I have one thing bothering me a bit...

Is it only me who had this doubts to join based on a doubtful merely optical impression?

I mean is it only my perception, that I was totally convinced, this must be something outdated and old?
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Sanja, you are not along. That's exactly my feelings to. BTW I also made decision (well, almost) under impressions of Russel's mail.


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As well the training is always changing and new strategies added - but again there are still those that always worked to various degrees at different times - the ones that come and go and come back again -
Patrician, It's what I wanted to hear. Thanks.

I have a few questions.

1. Will I be able change view of my site if I join PIPS?
2. If I decide that I don't want promote some of the 5 given products or add another one. May I do it or not.
3. May I change, update AR sequence? Tune some messages on my decision?

Thanks,
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Hi Alex,

Here are answers to your 3 questions:

1. You can change the look of your PIPsite to anything you prefer. It is a Wordpress site so it's very easy to change the look of it.

2. You can also promote anything you want. Naturally the sales page of PIPS stays the way Stone likes it to be, but on your site you can promote any program you like as it is your blog.

3. Same applies to your newsletter. Change the copy or promote anything, however you like. It is your newsletter.

The website Stone and Patricia builds for you is a foundation where you can build on. It is just like an ordinary Wordpress site, but it already has content, great sales copy and graphics. Your "job" is to start building your site and add articles, get backlinks and all that good stuff related to Internet marketing.

It is your site and eventually you'll want to personalize it, but it is easier to do when you already have a great foundation. There's no hurry to change it, just do the basics first and build traffic.

And like Stone says the PIPS sales letter is for making sales. You can't change that so it's beneficial to join as many programs as you can. However, that is not a huge investment and you can always join later as it's very easy to add your own ID to any program from your PIPS member's area.

One thing I would like to point out is that you should consider what kind of domain name you choose for your site. If you are in this for the long term then the name of your site is quite important. Make it as short as possible and easy to remember. It will be a "brand name" for you as well.

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Hi Alex,

Here are answers to your 3 questions: ...
Thanks a lot for prompt answer. I really appreciate that.

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One thing I would like to point out is that you should consider what kind of domain name you choose for your site. If you are in this for the long term then the name of your site is quite important. Make it as short as possible and easy to remember. It will be a "brand name" for you as well.
Got it. Looks like I have to do a small keyword research at first.
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Don't worry about the SEO, Email, PPC, Ads/media buys. I finally cracked the code. Two months struggle... enough. Now I have the heavy artillery guns. And finally started to see RESULTS. Trust me, nobody will try to open your eyes, and I don't know why, if after you join their team they can only benefit from you if you are successful. Now, JOIN MY TEAM and work with my ANTIFAILURE GUNS. No more sleepless nights! Enough! No more waiting for somebody to respond to your mail... 'cause I've been there, and i know what it is to beg for help! Are you in?

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Don't worry about the SEO, Email, PPC, Ads/media buys. I finally cracked the code. Two months struggle... enough. Now I have the heavy artillery guns. And finally started to see RESULTS. Trust me, nobody will try to open your eyes, and I don't know why, if after you join their team they can only benefit from you if you are successful. Now, JOIN MY TEAM and work with my ANTIFAILURE GUNS. No more sleepless nights! Enough! No more waiting for somebody to respond to your mail... 'cause I've been there, and i know what it is to beg for help! Are you in?

Is this post PIP-related or what are you referring too? I don't know there are "teams" within PIP?
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Hello,

There are no "teams" from the traditional meaning but what he means is that when somone joins you through PIPS or any of the programs they become part of your downline or in essence on your "team".

To support and help your "downline" and "team" helps both parties make money...

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Aha, thanks for clarifying Jeff Casmer

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Hi Alex,
The PIPS site itself is a moneymaker. My advice is to not change anything, but it's your site to do whatever you want. What I would do if I was you, I would go for a new domain, and build another site myself. If you are with the basic plan in GVO, you can host up to 4 domains with no additional charge. But my advise is to keep your PIPS the way it is. Also, I just ran a few "Work From Home Opportunities" domain names by keyword through my software.
here they are:
ONLINE-BUSINESS-IDEAS.ORG - 18100 monthly searches
ONLINE-BUSINESS-OPPORTUNITIES.ORG - 5400 monthly searches
START-AN-ONLINE-BUSINESS.ORG - 3600 monthly searches
START-ONLINE-BUSINESS.ORG - 2900 monthly searches
BEST-ONLINE-BUSINESS.ORG - 2400 monthly searches
STARTING-AN-ONLINE-BUSINESS.BIZ - 4400 monthly searches
ONLINEBUSINESSSYSTEMS.BIZ - 9900 monthly searches
ONLINE-BUSINESS-OPPORTUNITIES.BIZ - 5400 monthly searches
START-AN-ONLINE-BUSINESS.BIZ - 3600 monthly searches
BESTONLINEBUSINESS.BIZ - 2400 monthly searches
Please note, get one, two or 3 more of those above and don't change anything, i.e. make sure there are "As Is", as they appear in this post, if still available. At the time of my search, they were available.
This is how I got my last domain name HOMEBUSINESS-ONLINE.COM with 16300 monthly searches. And yes, it works like crazy. It's not even 2-month old, but it sucks traffic big time, my friend.
In order to do you a favor, I first tried the expired domain finder in my software, but it didn't find anything. So try this option. It should be the greatest solution for you at this time.
I hope it was helpful.
Let me know if there is anything else I can help you with.

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Here are 2 more good domains available at this time:

BEST-ONLINE-BUSINESS.INFO - 2900 monthly searches
ONLINE-BUSINESS-IDEAS.INFO - 18100 monthly searches

Please note, I AM NOT SELLING DOMAINS. I never bought those. I found them by using my software. This is just to help you jumpstart your online career and save you time and money. Because I was a total newbie once, and I know what it is to run through hoops and loops trying to make a buck. Buying wrong domains sucks. Now, whenever I run the SW and place the domains I bought before, I still see that there are NO MONTHLY SEARCHES FOR THOSE DOMAINS AT ALL. Well, we pretty often learn from our mistakes.
So, whatever I can help you with (in order for you to learn from my mistakes, rather than learning from yours, 'cause it hurts big time), just email me at constantleverage@gmail.com

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Lazarin,

Good tips. Thank you.

Before I register a domain name I make sure the domain name:

1) Is not a previously registered domain and if it is previously registered I check to make sure it was not abused.

2) Is not penalized for Adsense and Adwords.

3) Is not blacklisted.

Also, I make sure the domains were not penalized for:

1) Panda and Penguin.

2) Malware

A quick check of the WhoIs and Internet Archive shows that most of the domain names in your list of recommendations are in fact.. previously registered domains with excessive name server changes. Also, some of the matching Top Level Domains have "drop records." Abused domains are very difficult to recover.

Though keyword research is important it is wise to know that the majority of the results in the MMO niche are typically based not on "non-commerce research", but based on "commerce research" i.e. other internet marketers and domain resellers search queries.

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Hi Jeffery,
You are right about the used domain names. Like I already said, those are new domain names never purchased before, but with great potential for attracting massive traffic by the keywords themselves. If for instance those domains were expired (what I first looked for), and if my software found some attractive expired domains, of course I would've mentioned that there is risk, and the buyer should proceed with caution due to possibility of previous penalization, abuse and so on. But since those are brand new, what's the point? I got my new domain name this way and now I have thousands of visitors. And it's not even 2-month old.

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You are welcome, SuccessMatrix
Whatever I can help with. There are newbies struggling to make some buck right now.
Weren't we the same? I think I'll never forget how I first started. I was muddled. As if my brain sank into fog. So many times, my wife blamed me that I am married to my laptop... Well, this type of stories are not for this forum, right? OK then, lets take care of the business

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Here are 2 more good domains available at this time:

BEST-ONLINE-BUSINESS.INFO - 2900 monthly searches
ONLINE-BUSINESS-IDEAS.INFO - 18100 monthly searches

Please note, I AM NOT SELLING DOMAINS. I never bought those. I found them by using my software. This is just to help you jumpstart your online career and save you time and money. Because I was a total newbie once, and I know what it is to run through hoops and loops trying to make a buck. Buying wrong domains sucks. Now, whenever I run the SW and place the domains I bought before, I still see that there are NO MONTHLY SEARCHES FOR THOSE DOMAINS AT ALL. Well, we pretty often learn from our mistakes.
So, whatever I can help you with (in order for you to learn from my mistakes, rather than learning from yours, 'cause it hurts big time), just email me at constantleverage@gmail.com

Cheers,

Lazarin
Thank you for your advice. I'm trying to study SEO in general and keyword research. They are teaching that SEO is quickly evolving. A lot of stuff, but all in all the main IDEA is: "Presence of keyword in the domain name is no longer so significant. The most significant is proper, human oriented content."
Again, word "proper", from the sentence above, has quite a few meanings.
All this stuff makes me a bit dizzy. And that's far from all of my questions.
For example, I like your suggestion about
"ONLINE-BUSINESS-IDEAS.INFO - 18100 monthly searches"
However some of SEO guru saying that it's a bad idea to have dashes in domain name, and that .INFO is not good :confused:
Well, probably it's not that important anymore here in 2013.

BTW which keyword phrases you are targeting with your "HOMEBUSINESS-ONLINE.COM" ?
And which phrases would you suggest to target for my future PIPS site?
Thanks,
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P.S. I've read through the PIPS Sales page. There are some suggestions about domain names. These probably well dated though. There is nothing about keywords, but the phrase " plug-in some keywords into the form".
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That's the exact one, Alex. "Home Business Online" is the keyword phrases I am targeting. In less than a month, my site jumped to first page of google, position 3-8. Now, I'll tell you something and you are probably gonna laugh. Although it wasn't funny to me at all. I messed it up. Totally! I started to installing a sitemap to my site just couple of days ago. But guess what. I did install a sitemap days after my site was ready (almost two months ago) following Stone's instructions on day 13 of the 30 days to success guide. Those instructions were still there by that time. You know, I am not technical. So when you install a sitemap, it goes to Webmaster tools, and google analyzer and so on. Now, the first sitemap I installed, I didn't do it through a sitemap generator, but the other day I uploaded a generator to my WP platform as well. And what else I've done, I have no freaking idea. But I messed it up big time. Now, bear with me, it's a lesson you can learn without going through this yourself. WHEN YOU DON'T HAVE THE SLIGHTEST IDEA WHAT YOU ARE DOING, YOU BETTER DON'T DO IT. So, what I did... I called the hosting company that hosts HomeBusiness-Online.com and asked them to fix everything, and they did. This morning I got my site back on track, but guess what. Now, I have to push it again towards the first page of google, because google did lose it as well. And 3 hours already passed, but I still don't have a single hit, so I am probably far behind now. Well, I'll get back, but what I mean by telling you that, is that two months of hard work went to trash. I've made lots of sales, but it's not the point. There were visitors I care about. Who knows what they've thought during those couple of days, "This guy went out of business, or what!" So yesterday, I called up Patricia and asked her to send me the sitemap installation instructions in case I do something stupid again, you know. So she sent it to me right away, thank God! No, thank her! She is so sweet and helpful! Now, don't think that I got carried away with my story. Here is the point, ONE "KEYWORD" DOMAIN CAN SAVE YOU MONTHS OF WORK. It will be easier for a site or blog to be ranked by a keyword domain, because this is the word or the word phrase by which searchers search through Google, Yahoo!, Bing e.t.c. I am not saying that a certain keyword or keyword phrase will be as popular in a year as it is now, but later on you won't care anymore about the keyword as much as your site that will already be ranked, right? And it will be known. And if is known, and searched for, it's logical to be competitive and on the first page, right? Now, check this out: my PIPS site is www.GVOBuz. com. Do you know that I barely had 100 hits per moth? And this domain is OLD. Now, thanks to Home Business Online - "Profits are better than wages." - Jim Rohn (because GVOBuz is linked to it), I saw major difference. I mean massive results.
Also, about the dashes, don't worry, it's not a bad idea as long as you don't think it is. I have one dash... Me personally, I don't like them either, but if I have no other choices to have a domain that will give me what this one gave me, I don't give a damn if even my domain has dashes between every letter. If that's embarrassing though, what about this one ONLINEBUSINESSSYSTEMS.BIZ - 9900 monthly searches? No dashes. And over 9000 searches per month? Can you feel what difference it will make to your business? Whatever you decide though. Sometimes is good to listen to our intuition, of course. I am just trying to help, having experienced some success through a new domain by the keyword and an ooooooooold domain, connected to the name of the company I affiliate with. My advise, go ahead and grab one, whichever is available, and enjoy the ride. Again, I AM NOT SELLING THOSE DOMAINS. I NEVER PURCHASED THEM. Yesterday, they were available and with some good monthly search by keyword. I decided to help, so I ran the software. There were other domains, as well, but you don't need a domain with like 200 or 300 searches per month, do you? I don't mind to send you some "fancy" ones, just tell me, and you won't see dashes. So I'll do it again for you. Let me know.

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Hi Jeffery,
You are right about the used domain names. Like I already said, those are new domain names never purchased before, but with great potential for attracting massive traffic by the keywords themselves. If for instance those domains were expired (what I first looked for), and if my software found some attractive expired domains, of course I would've mentioned that there is risk, and the buyer should proceed with caution due to possibility of previous penalization, abuse and so on. But since those are brand new, what's the point? I got my new domain name this way and now I have thousands of visitors. And it's not even 2-month old.
The point is the domain names are not new, they are expired, with the exception of one domain that is registered and parked. Two are in fact only two that have never been registered.

I believe the software you are using does not give you accurate data and that is why yo said the domains are new and not at risk.

Here is the accurate data.

BEST-ONLINE-BUSINESS.INFO
best-online-business.info
NS History:
8 changes on 6 unique name servers over 6 years.
IP History:
16 changes on 9 unique IP addresses over 9 years.
Whois History:
11 records have been archived since 2007-11-05.


ONLINE-BUSINESS-IDEAS.INFO
online-business-ideas.info
is a parked domain
NS History:
23 changes on 14 unique name servers over 7 years.
IP History:
27 changes on 17 unique IP addresses over 8 years.
Whois History:
41 records have been archived since 2009-04-17.


ONLINE-BUSINESS-IDEAS.ORG
online-business-ideas.org
NS History:
5 changes on 3 unique name servers over 4 years.
IP History:
8 changes on 6 unique IP addresses over 4 years.
Whois History:
63 records have been archived since 2009-07-19.


ONLINE-BUSINESS-OPPORTUNITIES.ORG
online-business-opportunities.org
Registered and Parked
NS History:
11 changes on 7 unique name servers over 5 years.
IP History:
15 changes on 10 unique IP addresses over 4 years.
Whois History:
77 records have been archived since 2008-12-20.


START-AN-ONLINE-BUSINESS.ORG
start-an-online-business.org
is a parked domain
NS History:
3 changes on 3 unique name servers over 2 years.
IP History:
4 changes on 4 unique IP addresses over 2 years.
Whois History:
13 records have been archived since 2011-10-29.


START-ONLINE-BUSINESS.ORG
start-online-business.org
NS History:
10 changes on 7 unique name servers over 7 years.
IP History:
9 changes on 7 unique IP addresses over 6 years.
Whois History:
48 records have been archived since 2007-10-19.


BEST-ONLINE-BUSINESS.ORG
best-online-business.org
NS History:
6 changes on 3 unique name servers over 5 years.
IP History:
9 changes on 6 unique IP addresses over 5 years.
Whois History:
90 records have been archived since 2008-01-26.


STARTING-AN-ONLINE-BUSINESS.BIZ
starting-an-online-business.biz
Never Registered Before


ONLINEBUSINESSSYSTEMS.BIZ
onlinebusinesssystems.biz
NS History:
7 changes on 4 unique name servers over 8 years.
IP History:
12 changes on 6 unique IP addresses over 8 years.
Whois History:
26 records have been archived since 2009-02-10.


ONLINE-BUSINESS-OPPORTUNITIES.BIZ
online-business-opportunities.biz
NS History:
7 changes on 4 unique name servers over 10 years.
IP History:
22 changes on 12 unique IP addresses over 9 years.
Whois History:
15 records have been archived since 2010-04-26.


START-AN-ONLINE-BUSINESS.BIZ
start-an-online-business.biz
This domain name is not registered
Never Registered Before


BESTONLINEBUSINESS.BIZ
bestonlinebusiness.biz
Deleted And Available Again
NS History:
25 changes on 15 unique name servers over 8 years.
IP History:
56 changes on 23 unique IP addresses over 8 years.
Whois History:
38 records have been archived since 2006-09-14.

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Your software may not include the data for a "dropped domain" (drops) which is to always be avoided when registering an expired domain for a ecommerce website. Drops are extremely difficult to rank in the search engines for organic search engine results. Drops lose all backlinks and search engines will put the content in the search engine supplemental index.

HOMEBUSINESS-ONLINE.COM
homebusiness-online.com
Registrar History:
Registrar History:
3 registrars with 4 drops.
NS History:
17 changes on 10 unique name servers over 10 years.
IP History:
29 changes on 14 unique IP addresses over 8 years.
Whois History:
31 records have been archived since 2000-05-27 .
Reverse IP:
452 other sites hosted on this server.

The point is it is much easier to register a new domain that has never been registered before and rank the new domain for the same or similar keywords.

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Yup, Apparently the history of my domain brought me 126 subscribers for EnvisionForce Services in 1 month, 4 buyers of WebFire software in 2 weeks, 2 buyers of Spin Rewriter in 2 weeks and 1 buyer of Traffic Zombie software in 1 week.
I am thanking you for going one extra mile for me, and providing me with the domain history!
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Oh, I forgot,
And 33 subscribers with GVO.
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Originally Posted by lazarin View Post

Also, about the dashes, don't worry, it's not a bad idea as long as you don't think it is. I have one dash... Me personally, I don't like them either, but if I have no other choices to have a domain that will give me what this one gave me, I don't give a damn if even my domain has dashes between every letter. If that's embarrassing though, what about this one
To be honest, I like dashes. I think it much easier for human comprehension.
I just quoted some guru saying that it's bad. As well as .INFO caution.

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ONLINEBUSINESSSYSTEMS.BIZ - 9900 monthly searches? No dashes. And over 9000 searches per month? Can you feel what difference it will make to your business?
I think you are missing one major point. Big monthly searches it's good, but what about competition?

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Whatever you decide though. Sometimes is good to listen to our intuition, of course. I am just trying to help, having experienced some success through a new domain by the keyword and an ooooooooold domain, connected to the name of the company I affiliate with. My advise, go ahead and grab one, whichever is available, and enjoy the ride. Again, I AM NOT SELLING THOSE DOMAINS. I NEVER PURCHASED THEM.
I know that, and I don't mind if you were selling them

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Yesterday, they were available and with some good monthly search by keyword. I decided to help, so I ran the software. There were other domains, as well, but you don't need a domain with like 200 or 300 searches per month, do you? I don't mind to send you some "fancy" ones, just tell me, and you won't see dashes. So I'll do it again for you. Let me know.
Anyway, I appreciate your help.
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Your software may not include the data for a "dropped domain" (drops) which is to always be avoided when registering an expired domain for a ecommerce website. Drops are extremely difficult to rank in the search engines for organic search engine results. Drops lose all backlinks and search engines will put the content in the search engine supplemental index.

HOMEBUSINESS-ONLINE.COM
homebusiness-online.com
Registrar History:
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3 registrars with 4 drops.
If I may ask. What is bad with these drops?
And why we should avoid it?

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NS History:
17 changes on 10 unique name servers over 10 years.
IP History:
29 changes on 14 unique IP addresses over 8 years.
Whois History:
31 records have been archived since 2000-05-27 .
Reverse IP:
452 other sites hosted on this server.

The point is it is much easier to register a new domain that has never been registered before and rank the new domain for the same or similar keywords.

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You confused me with last sentence. Some people have a full time business, reselling old domains :confused:
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I guess what Jeffery refers to is domains that have been dropped by Google. I have one older domain that was ranking fairly well, but one day I received an email from Google saying that it was breaking their rules and they promptly dropped the domain from their search.

I could never figure out what was wrong with it and getting answers from Google can be very difficult. Now it's practically impossible to get that domain show up in Google. I even took out all previous content and changed the theme, but that didn't help.

So in a case like that a new domain is definitely better as you can start building it following Google guidelines. It's also questionable whether exact name domains are worth it anymore as Google don't seem to like them. Maybe they work but then again this is something that seems to differ from domain to domain.

At the end of the day it's only Google who knows how these things work and it's probably better to play it safe and even that doesn't always help like my example shows. Having said that there are still lots of websites that rank well and don't have good content so who knows...I guess it takes time for Google to clean up everything.

Good content, well chosen keywords and slowly building back linking probably works best. Might take some time, but if you are building a long term business it might be best to do it correctly. Add to that some free and paid advertising and you should get results. Actually it's pretty much what Stone teaches.

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If I may ask. What is bad with these drops?
And why we should avoid it?
When you look at a domain record and see more than one drop it is usually because the domain was penalized by the search engines for:
1) Violating a search engine TOS.
2) Spamming the search engines which results in the domain being banned by the search engines.
3) Consumer complaints.
etc.

At times the search engines will run a new algo and during the process the domain may be temporarily indexed, but the content will remain in the supplemental index if it was not already purged. Typically, after the algo is complete, the domain will be banned and de-indexed. Cumulatively, Penguin and Panda.

One way to determine if a domain with multiple drops and was penalized by the search engines is to research the domain in the Internet Archive Wayback Machine. The domain in question was previously promoting spammy links, so it is obvious in this case.

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You confused me with last sentence. Some people have a full time business, reselling old domains :confused:
Reselling old domains is perfectly ok, but as a buyer we still have to do our research to determine if the domain is a good choice or not. Just because the expired domain is being resold does not mean it is a good choice or even a bad choice. Typically, expired domains are parked by the domain registrar and resold. In the end it is the buyer's decision rather or not it is worth the trouble of buying a previously registered domain with bad records vs. buying a new domain that has never been registered. Make sense?

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