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Since time are so tough and some of us Pipsters are just starting out could you find other affilliate offers for us to promote with out having to take money out of our pockets to remain a member of that affilliate company such as SFI or Empowerism by purchasing their products. The first year is always a struggle especially in these hard times as you know even more so when many of us due to finacial difficulty are having . Theoretically I think the pips program is great but this lacking and is my frustration at this point. I am having to return to my other home based busines just to suport get the business up any running. I heard some horror stories out there of other taking a gamble on getting there website set up while ridding up a huge debt and tha is not for me there has to be another way. I had started my home base business with next to zero budget and took five years and has been taking off well. I would stick to it if I did not have to put so many hours in to ear a wage and this is what attracted me to pips hoping to restructure my life and not to have pie in the sky dreams of becoming a millionaire. I think more will sign up if this obsticle was removed. I've been personally seeking out new prospects by means of direct contact and this came across as well from them. How many more out there feel the same. I want to see things go well not only for but those who really need a better income than where they are at now. I do not mean any offence but I am totaly disillusioned and frustrated but not giving up.
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Hi Carline,

For SFI you dont have to purchase anything to remain a member..you can be an affiliate and upgrade once you have some team members that are active affiliates....

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Hi Carline, I know exactly what you mean, but in order to make money you have to spend a little money...SFI is free, the only thing you have to pay for is Empowerism and your Host 4 Profit, but you can choose Host Gator it is much cheaper, you do not have to upgrade your Getresponse, but if you want the whole email series you better upgrade, you actually if my calculations are correct only need to spend about $40.00 dollars to run a PIP site, fellow forum members can correct me if I am wrong.

And as you know WebProsperity is free now...hopes this helps you decide, all I can tell you is that I regret leaving PIP the first time when there were signups coming from all over, boy do I regret that to this day!
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Hi,

Good points DRankins and I believe your accurate....

Carline....set up your signature file so you can get a free backlink for yourself....

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Yes, but that takes time and is not an immediate answer. They want monetary business from you every month and I amwaiting a reply from the to account for this. Yes you nedd money to sterat out wioth but working with a poor budget is hard too and theire has to be an exception to those you are starting out in the first year on low budget. The whole purpose of doing this. More people would come into this if it was not just for the elite types no offense.
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Originally Posted by dkrankins View Post

Hi Carline, I know exactly what you mean, but in order to make money you have to spend a little money...SFI is free, the only thing you have to pay for is Empowerism and your Host 4 Profit, but you can choose Host Gator it is much cheaper, you do not have to upgrade your Getresponse, but if you want the whole email series you better upgrade, you actually if my calculations are correct only need to spend about $40.00 dollars to run a PIP site, fellow forum members can correct me if I am wrong.

And as you know WebProsperity is free now...hopes this helps you decide, all I can tell you is that I regret leaving PIP the first time when there were signups coming from all over, boy do I regret that to this day!
In order to stay with SFI they expect you to buy products from they to remain EA or sign up a new member or sell their products. They penalty of not doing that is being eliminated from there system forever and loosing any credits from them. Go to there site and check out there policy. There are other affilliate businesses that do not such thing and I found some on the internet.
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Good points DRankins and I believe your accurate....

Carline....set up your signature file so you can get a free backlink for yourself....

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I am unable to do that due to lack of computer skills
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Hi, Carline:

The PIPS business is like any other: it takes time, effort and patience to build it to the point of profit.

Adding new or different affiliate programs to the PIPS program is not the answer. In my opinion, the answer must lay within each individual PIPS member. Are you a Dreamer or a Doer?

If you are a Doer, you will DO two things: first, you will learn from the leaders and DO what they recommend (within your budget, of course); second, you will focus, focus, focus on actually DOing those recommended things until they start paying off.

It has to be a full commitment. Not something you will "try" to do. Not something you will do if and when you get time. You will simply make up your mind to DO them and not be distracted by other things that may seem more immediately enjoyable.

One of our PIPS leaders and mentors, Jeff Casmer, has asked you to set up your Forum Signature here in the Warrior/PIPS Forum.

I recommend you use that as your starting point for success with PIPS. First, set up your signature, then see what our experienced members can recommend for you next.

(Just a friendly suggestion.)

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Hi Carline,

You had enough guts and passion to sign up for PIPS. Now find that inner determination to learn the computer skills to set up a signature file. Its not as hard as you think.

There is a button at the top of this forum thats called "User UP". You need to go in there and you can do many things like setting up your profile, your signature, etc. It just takes some reading...

Find ways to succeed...over come obstacles....ask questions (as your doing) but it takes work...and there are many things you can do that are free...

I started out with no money as well.....

Passion.....fire...determination...

Look for reasons to be successful...not reasons that block your success......

I wish you the best...

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I am unable to do that due to lack of computer skills
lol - Looks like you and I were posting about this at the same time!

Setting up your signature is not hard. Click on CP (Control Panel) near the top of the Warrior screen, then click on Edit Signature.

In the text box there, enter your website URL and some short text to describe it.

To set it up easy and hyperlink the text, read Graham's helpful Warrior post here: http://www.warriorforum.com/plug-pro...ior-forum.html

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Hi GT,

We were posting at the same time....

Good work my friend and my personal recruit

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We seem to be chasing each other's posts! lol

Thanks for the comment, Jeff. Yes, I have learned from you as my PIPS sponsor and online marketing mentor to pay attention and follow your advice, because it is effective!

Why re-invent the wheel, as they say, when you can learn from the Big Wheels - lol!

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I never read that, I have been an SFI affiliate for 6 years, even before I joined PIP, you do not have to become an EA, if you do that is great, and I would not become an EA until I have a downline anyway, as long as I become an EA before them.

And as far as other affiliates, are they as properous as SFI once you get involved, bottom line to me is that I joined PIP to make money, and I read it over and decided it was the best opportunity for me, I would not change a thing about it, I would however give it time to work, if you are looking to get rich quick then this is not the business for you, please do not take offence to my reply, I just want members to understand this PIP thingy, this is a great opportunity to make a side income that could eventually turn into a full-time income.

Check some other home base business like I did when I first left PIP, I spent $100's sometime $1,000s, with no results, at least with PIP I have a support forum that will guide me in the right direction, so Carline you just keep at it and you will profit!
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In order to stay with SFI they expect you to buy products from they to remain EA or sign up a new member or sell their products. They penalty of not doing that is being eliminated from there system forever and loosing any credits from them. Go to there site and check out there policy. There are other affilliate businesses that do not such thing and I found some on the internet.

This is not true - you can remain a free member forever. You won't earn affiliate referral commissions or have access to the powerline bonus pool but you can still make money selling their numerous products and serivices as a free member.

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I have no idea how to do that and would have to have someone do that for me. I have been pursuing building my website actively on less than a dime. I can not afford the the thirty day recommendations at this time, I just don't have the funds so i have to do everything the freeway as much as possible and I even have a blog on google for what good it does me. I am trying hard but I will not compile debt to try to get there, I did that before and will not do that again. Products thaat do not obligate to pay out before you make a dime is the only way to go for people like me who are starting out. It is not like I have no business experience, I got the point how to do it, It is that I can not afford the way it is run like many others and is a pit fall. Yes, better products is the answer not just how much they pay our while they take money from your pocket while you are trying to create customers for them.
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You need to read their policy before you make that statement. I have only been in this a short time and need time to build the business. I am EA there because I satisfy them Buy buying their products which I feel forced to do. I am talking about people like me who are just starting out not like you who are a long time in it and satisfy their requirements. I got their email today that if I do not comply to selling or buying somrthing from them to keep my Ea status, I will be removed permantly from their system. Such nice people to deal uh.
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Can Darin Do that for me you think? I usually get Darin to do my techno stuff because I always fowl up. I am not accedemically incline
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It is not that the problem with the people in the program or the theory of pips but two of the products I am turned off on because you end up paying them while you trying to get things up and no telling how long that will take. If you are standing on this side of the view you will see what I mean. I know this is not a get rich quick sheme but why I am paying money to people Iam trying to promote such as SFI and Empowerism? I do not need additional debt while I am trying to build up my wb biz according to the thirty day theory.
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It wasn't guts that got me with PIPs but a need to make change in my life from the direction it has been going in
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Did you ever remember Stone saying IGNORE EMAILS for now? WHY? You are getting confused - I have been a member for a long time - I was free, then I was EA, now I am free again, because I have not been marketing my business and cutting down on expenses

They are trying to influence you to upgrade to EA. If you do not you will not get in the powerline - other than that you can stay as a free member forever.

If you don't want to believe me that is up to you.

More on forum protocol for you:

When you reply to a specific person's post in a thread, use the "quote" button so you will bring what you are responding to into the box you are typing your response in.

It is very hard to follow a thread when someone doesn't know which comment you are responding to without going up to find what someone else says.

So instead of 'post reply' or 'quick reply' please use the 'quote' button.

If you need help with creating your signature, let me know your forum password in a PRIVATE MESSAGE (CLICK MY NY NAME ON THE LEFT and pick 'send private message') and also let me know your PIPS domain so I can put that in your signature for ou.



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You need to read their policy before you make that statement. I have only been in this a short time and need time to build the business. I am EA there because I satisfy them Buy buying their products which I feel forced to do. I am talking about people like me who are just starting out not like you who are a long time in it and satisfy their requirements. I got their email today that if I do not comply to selling or buying somrthing from them to keep my Ea status, I will be removed permantly from their system. Such nice people to deal uh.

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Carline you are in the right place, seems to me you need help, just ask for the help and you can get it, everyone here wants each and everybody to succeed so they can post their success stories later on, and I can't wait to post mine!
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I truly believe that Stone is aware that it's getting harder for people to sign-up or to stay signed-up for the PIPS programs especially with the current economic situation.

What would be his reason for removing SU from PIPS and replacing it with WebProsperity where you could be an affiliate for free and still make some money...plus the option of using a cheaper alternative like HostGator in lieu of H4P for hosting?

PIPS right now is a balance of free and paid programs which could benefit more people including those with limited budget to grow their business.

To be honest, if PIPS promote all free programs, I will never sign-up. I can't imagine how long it will take to make a decent income.
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Done it now< I was not confident about it. What does that do any way.

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I think products should be useful for the averge joe and not just pay a commission. I think SFI is good if they would only understand that they do not need to take money out of people's pockets to regenerate profits for themselves. They should do everythin on consignment without the monetary pressure they put on people. I just do not like how some people do business, like sharks in a pond of fish

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Help is not the point here. Like other products inPIPs is on consignment so should everything else and that make success easier not putting road blocks in the way and say get motivated and deal with it

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I emailed them today about this and will call them tomorrow. Do not mean to be anoying but I am looking for a solution for this problem from the top. This my only objection and is my objection to these businesses everything else is ok. I believe in being pro-active an questioning things as I go along, taking up proper information and making proper actions instead of here say and blind following

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Carline, would you mind giving us a clue to who you are talking to. I'm a little lost in all your post to no one.
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Carline, would you mind giving us a clue to who you are talking to. I'm a little lost in all your post to no one.


Since you are unable to take advice from those with experience because you would be "blindly" taking advice maybe you could turn the tables and let us know how to run a profitable online business. I could use it especially if I can learn how to run a business for free, thanks

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No one is getting the point here. Things must be analyses and questioned that is how things improve. You need to advertise for your home to be sold or have products needing to be promoted do you charge yoour promoter a fee or pay him a fee to promote your product. When I say follow blindly I simply to compare it with other information out there and do what works best for you. Things constantly change and what work five years ago may not be as apropiate today for a beginner and many only for an established person. There are many factors involved. I Believe The PIPs Program is great but I like to see more choices and addition to it say those who do sign up are able without a doubt stay signed up and in the manner I am thinking will only increase the PiPs membership and the companies who need affilliate promoters will gain more income with charging a fee because there will be more people to promte their business who otherwise would've dropped due to the finacial burden. I am nmot considering so much the established ones but those who really want to come in and make happen but are some what diavantage. Yes. you do hve to spend money but it should only go to increase your business and not line the pockets of thoses companies that need you to build their business.

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No one is getting the point here. Things must be analyses and questioned that is how things improve. You need to advertise for your home to be sold or have products needing to be promoted do you charge yoour promoter a fee or pay him a fee to promote your product.


I think I can understand your point now and where you're coming from...

As the one promoting a product, YOU should be the one to get paid...not the other way around. You have a very good point there.

There are a lot of affiliate marketing companies that follow this business model. These companies are hired by the manufacturers to promote a PRODUCT, through us...affiliates. We join for free, we promote the PRODUCT, we make a sale, we get a commission.

However, PIPS is not designed for that business model. The programs included were carefully chosen to generate for the affiliates a monthly residual income. And the most important part that we should understand is: THESE COMPANIES ARE SELLING US BUSINESS OPPORTUNITIES. That's the reason why we are the one's paying them first...not the other way around. In return, we get the "rights" to sell to others the Business Opportunity. The products are only secondary.

I hope you can distinguish the difference.

I try to promote both...just in case 1 doesn't take-off immediately as I would hope for

Also, as a business owner, you should now realize that FREE is not always better. If you're thinking that you'll get a lot of sign-ups because the program is FREE to join, you may be right. But you'll also be attracting a lot of tire-kickers and dreamers. Most of these people will NOT buy. Most of these people will NOT do anything. Most of these people will NOT help you build your business.

Would you rather have 3 active and paying downlines or 100s of downlines waiting for the next FREE program to come?
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By the way, I notice you are commenting on the Advertising Zone for PIPS Members ONLY Thread. Those are for posting ads only. You should contact the advertiser(s) directly by e-mail if you're interested with their products or services.
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You need to read their policy before you make that statement. I have only been in this a short time and need time to build the business. I am EA there because I satisfy them Buy buying their products which I feel forced to do. I am talking about people like me who are just starting out not like you who are a long time in it and satisfy their requirements. I got their email today that if I do not comply to selling or buying somrthing from them to keep my Ea status, I will be removed permantly from their system. Such nice people to deal uh.

Carline, this is a copy of an e-mail I received from SFI concerning my EA status (and I am almost certain the only difference between yours and mine is the name) and no where does it say I will be PERMANENTLY removed from their system. The only way you will be PERMANENTLY removed from their system is if YOU ask to be. I have only been an EA maybe 6 out of the 15 months since I joined and am still in their system.

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Our records indicate that you were an Executive Affiliate (EA) last month but have not yet re-qualified for this month.

If you do not re-qualify as an EA by the end of the month, you will forfeit your valuable Powerline position (see http://www.sfimg.com/powerline/).

You'll also be forfeiting your monthly Executive Bonus, Match commissions, access to wholesale pricing, and more. Don't let this happen! Get re-qualified now at:

http://www.sfimg.com/EA

TIP: By setting up a Standing Order, your qualification as an EA will be automatic each month and you can have your favorite SFI product(s) shipped to your door each month without the hassle of having to reorder monthly. Set up your Standing Order at: http://www.sfimg.com/AffiliateStore/StandingOrder.sfi

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Carline, this is a copy of an e-mail I received from SFI concerning my EA status (and I am almost certain the only difference between yours and mine is the name) and no where does it say I will be PERMANENTLY removed from their system. The only way you will be PERMANENTLY removed from their system is if YOU ask to be. I have only been an EA maybe 6 out of the 15 months since I joined and am still in their system.

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Our records indicate that you were an Executive Affiliate (EA) last month but have not yet re-qualified for this month.

If you do not re-qualify as an EA by the end of the month, you will forfeit your valuable Powerline position (see http://www.sfimg.com/powerline/).

You'll also be forfeiting your monthly Executive Bonus, Match commissions, access to wholesale pricing, and more. Don't let this happen! Get re-qualified now at:

http://www.sfimg.com/EA

TIP: By setting up a Standing Order, your qualification as an EA will be automatic each month and you can have your favorite SFI product(s) shipped to your door each month without the hassle of having to reorder monthly. Set up your Standing Order at: http://www.sfimg.com/AffiliateStore/StandingOrder.sfi

Questions? Contact Customer Service at support@sfimg.com.

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What i got was more extensive then that and I will contact them by phone and take it up with them personally so there shall not be any misunderstanding and write a feed back here. I am not out to bash anyone or their business but there are somrthing that are not coming across me to well.

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By the way, I notice you are commenting on the Advertising Zone for PIPS Members ONLY Thread. Those are for posting ads only. You should contact the advertiser(s) directly by e-mail if you're interested with their products or services.
I do not know these people as to have their contact email so I used that feature as it is provided and why are you bringing that up any way an what bearing has it got on the topic I am mentioning.

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Look - everybody is in business to make money. That is not suspect or a crime.

If you stay a free member you will never represent any money to SFI or your upline -

Plain and simple as that - they have given you the right to earn commissions on their intellectual property. As such they have earned the right to SELL you a membership upgrade.

NO REQUIREMENT to respond - STAY A FREE MEMBER as long as you need to. (you will note the email that Leon posted says nothing about 'being deleted from their system' - just no bonuses.)

It would be better to focus on marketing and remember that you will project skepticism if you feel that way and dwell on all the imperfections you perceive with your limited understanding at this point. You will find it difficult to influence people to follow you anywhere if you don't believe in it yourself.

Just like the rest of us it takes a long time to get all the details, but remember, these programs have been in business for decades and I doubt anyone coming in will influence them to change their protocols.

It's about Marketing - if you want to make money, focus on that and the training exclusively.

Don't get that common malady of newbies, 'paralysis by analysis' - I have been there.

This is not to say you shouldn't question - but just don't get hung up.

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Hi Carline,

I have read your post and all the comments with interest and wasn't going to comment but I will only say this:-

There is nothing wrong with being sceptical and inquisitive and even unbelieving but when you start in this business, some of the ways you learn right from wrong is by doing what you are doing now and that is by visiting forums. You may not realise it yet but some of the people who have made comments here in your post are very experienced and knowledgeable people who I respect very much and I would strongly recommend you listen to what they are saying.

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Carline- as it says in the rules in those threads - no comments - PRIVATE MESSAGE the poster if you have questions:

Private Message - click on the left where you see the username of the poster - drop-down menu: 'send private message'.

I have deleted your comments in those threads as the rules state will happen.

It is a real good idea to read the thread from the top to see what is going on - rules, questions already answered, etc.

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I do not know these people as to have their contact email so I used that feature as it is provided and why are you bringing that up any way an what bearing has it got on the topic I am mentioning.

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... I am not considering so much the established ones but those who really want to come in and make happen but are some what disadvantage...
Like Mal, I wasn't going to comment here, but feel I must. Maybe I'm reading you incorrectly, but based on what I have read, here's my comment:

Everyone of us are disadvantaged before we become established. We all have to start somewhere. I do appreciate your discussion here, but I also have to say that business development is a process and there are no shortcuts.

If a newbie is not prepared to listen to the leaders and follow the recommended steps, then, perhaps, they are in the wrong kind of business.

Discussion is good and should never be discouraged, but you also have to weigh the advice being given and from whom it is coming, then carefully balance that against your own interpretation of what you think is right or wrong; what you think will work, or not work.

"Established" marketers can save you time and money ... but you have to listen to them and learn to apply their recommended steps.

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Look - everybody is in business to make money. That is not suspect or a crime.

If you stay a free member you will never represent any money to SFI or your upline -

Plain and simple as that - they have given you the right to earn commissions on their intellectual property. As such they have earned the right to SELL you a membership upgrade.

NO REQUIREMENT to respond - STAY A FREE MEMBER as long as you need to. (you will note the email that Leon posted says nothing about 'being deleted from their system' - just no bonuses.)

It would be better to focus on marketing and remember that you will project skepticism if you feel that way and dwell on all the imperfections you perceive with your limited understanding at this point. You will find it difficult to influence people to follow you anywhere if you don't believe in it yourself.

Just like the rest of us it takes a long time to get all the details, but remember, these programs have been in business for decades and I doubt anyone coming in will influence them to change their protocols.

It's about Marketing - if you want to make money, focus on that and the training exclusively.

Don't get that common malady of newbies, 'paralysis by analysis' - I have been there.

This is not to say you shouldn't question - but just don't get hung up.
I read the policy at their site and that is where I got it and I do noy like the wording in the email, I am expressing my feeling and ideas and that is that

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Like Mal, I wasn't going to comment here, but feel I must. Maybe I'm reading you incorrectly, but based on what I have read, here's my comment:

Everyone of us are disadvantaged before we become established. We all have to start somewhere. I do appreciate your discussion here, but I also have to say that business development is a process and there are no shortcuts.

If a newbie is not prepared to listen to the leaders and follow the recommended steps, then, perhaps, they are in the wrong kind of business.

Discussion is good and should never be discouraged, but you also have to weigh the advice being given and from whom it is coming, then carefully balance that against your own interpretation of what you think is right or wrong; what you think will work, or not work.

"Established" marketers can save you time and money ... but you have to listen to them and learn to apply their recommended steps.

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I will listen to any ones views and if I am given advice I will listen but until I can varify without a doubt that there is no other option I will still anylse the matter and see what others have to say such Yahoo Answers and research it well before I take action on it . I do not have a closed mind and will hear anyone but in the end I have to decide which way to go that works for me, I only make informed decisions and that means gathering many ideas and opinions and not just one or two. I am having my frustrations but that is my problem. I have no problem to ask for help but I do not want imposed on me when I do ask for it. I know about business and maybe I will never be a millionaire but I have my principals. Yes too, I have been inquirying around for advice on the net and there is nothing wrong with that.

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Hi Carline,

A couple of things that may be useful...

This summary of the SFI compensation plan shows exactly what commission percentage is earned by an affiliate versus an EA and a team leader.
https://www.sfimg.com/Reference/CompPlan.sfi

So you can see from this that there are commissions available for free members.

Also, here are a couple of answers from their FAQ on the same subject:
Q. What are the costs involved in starting and operating an SFI business?

A. This is one of the most powerful features of SFI. It's completely free to become an SFI affiliate, and there's NEVER a requirement to purchase anything. Compare that to buying a franchise. Even a lesser-known franchise can require an investment of tens of thousands of dollars—and that's just to get started. On top of that, you'd likely have rent, labor, product costs, and much more. With SFI, you can literally "start on a shoestring." Yet, SFI's income potential is just as great if not greater than most franchises.

Of course, ANY business, to become successful, requires some sort of investment in marketing and pursuing customers. The good news with SFI is that we've developed dozens of free, almost-free, and inexpensive marketing techniques that you can get started with right away.

In other words, with SFI, you can choose to invest money OR YOU CAN INVEST TIME to build your business, making SFI one of THE most affordable and practical businesses in the world.


Q. SFI sounds to good to be true. There must be fees or a requirement to buy something, right?

A. No. There is NEVER any cost required to be an SFI affiliate. It is true that thousands of SFI affiliates DO purchase SFI products for themselves. It only makes sense, after all, to buy from "your own store"—especially those items you are already purchasing from somewhere else. Remember, however, purchasing from your own store is TOTALLY OPTIONAL and NOT a requirement to run your SFI business.
Also, on your original questions about why are their not more free affiliate programs included in PIPS, one of the main reasons is because Stone has found from his testing that the more steps there are in the signup process (i.e. the more programs there are too join), the more difficult people find the signup process. This leads to lower conversion rates overall.

I think at the moment there is a good balance, with SFI, Traffic Swarm and Web prosperity being free to join (with optional upgrades) and Empowerism & the Hosting requiring a payment.

You can add whatever programs you like to your own website and you can also remove what you don't like, so this provides everyone with some flexibility to show their own recommendations on their site.

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Hi Carline,

A couple of things that may be useful...

This summary of the SFI compensation plan shows exactly what commission percentage is earned by an affiliate versus an EA and a team leader.
https://www.sfimg.com/Reference/CompPlan.sfi

So you can see from this that there are commissions available for free members.

Also, here are a couple of answers from their FAQ on the same subject:


Also, on your original questions about why are their not more free affiliate programs included in PIPS, one of the main reasons is because Stone has found from his testing that the more steps there are in the signup process (i.e. the more programs there are too join), the more difficult people find the signup process. This leads to lower conversion rates overall.

I think at the moment there is a good balance, with SFI, Traffic Swarm and Web prosperity being free to join (with optional upgrades) and Empowerism & the Hosting requiring a payment.

You can add whatever programs you like to your own website and you can also remove what you don't like, so this provides everyone with some flexibility to show their own recommendations on their site.

Cheers
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I will listen to any ones views and if I am given advice I will listen but until I can varify without a doubt that there is no other option I will still anylse the matter and see what others have to say such Yahoo Answers and research it well before I take action on it . I do not have a closed mind and will hear anyone but in the end I have to decide which way to go that works for me...
Hi, Carline:

I appreciate your answer, here. Especially the last line quoted in bold above. Ultimately, that's all each of us can do; research the info, ask questions and make the best decision we can for our situation at the present time. Keep plugging onward!

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Susanne you really got my point. I think there is not enough variety of choices. There should be options yes for upgrades starting a a free entry so those coming in can get their business going before comitting to menbership fees. It is quite costly to get this type of business of the ground and especially with all the competition and people suspecting you to be just another scammer. I am trying to concentrate in getting this off the ground without falling in a hole of deeper debt with businesses wanting money from you regardless of whether your web business is at htat point or not. I would aprececate if Stoine could bring more to our table then what is now and that would amke this business the top one since no other affilliate association is doing this or regards their members with any great concideration a an individual other that someone that is one of may lining the pockets of their afilliate organization. There shoulf be something that can make erveryone happy and many more people should come forward and give their opinion and experiences freely without getting slammed. Your quote is the best quote of anyone yet I have recieved. It seems no one likes change but change will come because Stone is young and as young people goes like to venture into new things. After all at the top of the page it seems Stone is inviting other people's opinion and ideas and this the whole point why I even mentioed this and is my sincere contribution to the Pips site whether onr iwas ever appreciated.

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Hi, Carline:

I appreciate your answer, here. Especially the last line quoted in bold above. Ultimately, that's all each of us can do; research the info, ask questions and make the best decision we can for our situation at the present time. Keep plugging onward!

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I really glad you got it.No one wants to be dictated to or have someone's idea ram down their throat. In order to convey your idea or so called help you must always accompany it with reasoning and logic that way it is more palatable. That is how I was trying to come across. I am not a money guru but I do know something about home business as I have one for many years and they way I deal with people has an impact on my business. I think the way Suzanne came across in her quote was the best because it was unbiased and not in reference to her own desire to run her business, very unself centered and I really can respect that.

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I am sure that most if not all Plug-In Profit Site members will be happy to know there may not be any more changes/additions/reductions to the program for a while.

Stone promised that he has 'seen the light and that the training will settle down soon'. (yippee!) While I agree with his theory to remove something that isn't working for people and/or that is problematic, and even to add whatever is a 'hot' seller at the moment, I also agree with those that resent having 'the rug pulled out from under them' by the frequent changes we have experienced, especially recently.

Of course we are all now and always have been free to add as many other programs as we want to our own websites, or to remove whatever we don't want. However as you know, the PIPS sales page will include only the core programs, of which there are already enough at 5-6.

I have always encouraged people to feature ClickBank products as a source of income - even though we do not include any in the current version of the new PIPS sites.

I still feel that there are more people that will be attracted by products and services than those that purely want another MLM business opportunity.

I believe that a nice balance to include all above is the best bet.

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The best thing to do is to go to the Clickbank Marketplace and search using some keywords e.g "home business". The results will be returned with the best products first (based on a formula that includes the number of sales, the number of sales by distinct affiliates and various other variables).

Or you can just browse the marketplace by category and again the best products to promote will be displayed first.

When I created my content update service I picked products that I found were good sellers, falling into different categories including work at home jobs, surveys, software, internet marketing & Ewen Chia.

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I am sure that most if not all Plug-In Profit Site members will be happy to know there may not be any more changes/additions/reductions to the program for a while.

Stone promised that he has 'seen the light and that the training will settle down soon'. (yippee!) While I agree with his theory to remove something that isn't working for people and/or that is problematic, and to add whatever is a 'hot' seller at the moment, I also agree with those that resent having 'the rug pulled out from under them' by the frequent changes we have experienced, especially recently.
That is good to know. My head has been spinning recently. I have so many training emails, FAQs, reviews and info pages on PIPS and I have still not caught up with all the changes Plus all these changes to SFI too!

Fellow PPG mentor Cynthia has done a great job of keeping our PPG 30 days to Success reviews up to date, but we have noticed that Stone's favorite Saturday night activity is doing updates to the 30 days training.

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Hey! thanks for the thanks, Suzanne!

Yes it has really been a challenge for me with the application changes - even knowing ok, no more X program - I don't know what people do like save the page for 3 weeks and then by the time they submit, the program would be replaced. I am just going down adding stuff and don't know I have an extra field until I get to the bottom and have to re-do it!

Then on top of it, although I really do not do any custom design, I feel it is only fair to add something to the new site version if they joined a program because it HAD BEEN on our application and suddenly isn't.

...and it works in reverse as well - How come I don't have XX? Again I feel responsible to provide it.

So we will all settle down now and hope Stone doesn't change his mind again anytime soon!

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I am sure that most if not all Plug-In Profit Site members will be happy to know there may not be any more changes/additions/reductions to the program for a while.

Stone promised that he has 'seen the light and that the training will settle down soon'. (yippee!) While I agree with his theory to remove something that isn't working for people and/or that is problematic, and even to add whatever is a 'hot' seller at the moment, I also agree with those that resent having 'the rug pulled out from under them' by the frequent changes we have experienced, especially recently.

Of course we are all now and always have been free to add as many other programs as we want to our own websites, or to remove whatever we don't want. However as you know, the PIPS sales page will include only the core programs, of which there are already enough at 5-6.

I have always encouraged people to feature ClickBank products as a source of income - even though we do not include any in the current version of the new PIPS sites.

I still feel that there are more people that will be attracted by products and services than those that purely want another MLM business opportunity.

I believe that a nice balance to include all above is the best bet.
I have to agree with you but it would be nice to have a menu of different choices that have been test marketed then brought to the table and for those you do not want change have allowance for that as well I do not like a follow the leader mentality anyone can make mistake no matter how knowlegible. I think we should have more variety of things to promote or sell what ever the case. Personally I thought Success University was a great idea but the monthly fees were steep. May be the solution is add ratings to what ever it as far as earning potential and leave it up to the individual to decide what they want to do. Maybe the best of both worlds would be a creative way of doing business. I think everyone should make their own decision. It would be nice to know what are the hot on the market things to go for and post theat at the forum or send it out to the members. I think adding to and leaving everyone's favorites is a way to go. It would be nice if Stone has seen the comments here and add his imput to it and that way he can get more feed back from the members and know a better aproach to take than he has now and this what I do in my other home base business and everyone is happy and I get more clents that way. It is no use to bring things to the table that no one wants and I feel more feed back or comunnication is required. It would be interesting to know how that works out.

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Well Carline the program has been going for 6 or so years and I think it is a good program. I believe that Stone knows what he is doing with the program. He is constantly testing and tweeking and trying to add the most value.

It is the feedback of the membership that he does listen to, and then makes a decision sometimes based in part on that, although he is the one that has had the most success, has the best instincts, and it is his program to decide how he wants to run it.

The fact that unlike an affiliate program that provides a sales page that can't be changed, we have our own websites. So to my mind that kind of leaves the door open for anyone to create whatever they want with PIPS as the foundation.

As many have said in the past, this is the place to start - to learn and 'get your feet wet' - it's all about what we do with what we are given, which is much, including what we can learn from Stone and other successful people. Then we can take all that and build something there on the foundation, that is our own.

The sky is the limit as they say. We are free to do as much or as little with it as we want to. For now - even for me after 4 years, it is learning as much as I can every day and then taking action in the things I do have control over.

Having said all that I agree with you and have said in the past that a 'cafeteria plan' would be good, where people can pick from multiple options -however this makes the application even more tedious than it is with 5-6 programs, domain and hosting. It is already overwhelming to many as it is.

Believe me I know this because I run both the new order and the helpdesk. In other words, I read all the comments from applicants and members - way more than those that participate here which are a very small representation of the total membership.

I say this to myself as much as to you or anyone else - it's about marketing - everything else is necessary too, but should be limited in contrast to that which makes 'the wheels go around' (the money) and that is directly related to marketing. That needs to be our primary focus - building and sustaining momentum over time.

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