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Unread 12th May 2009, 09:49 PM   #1
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Hello,

I did join PIPS co-op when it came out and made a whopping $0.00, I used Dustin’s auto blog posting, before I started using Dustin’s auto blogging my site was on page one at google. After using his auto blogging my site got lost somewhere in cyber space. Don’t think I ever quit the co-op but one day my account didn’t work anymore and I wasn’t getting billed which was cool. But the auto posting didn’t stop till just recently after contacting Dustin and having him stop the posting.

The reason I write this post is I see a lot of PIPS probably mostly newbie’s using Dustin’s auto blogging which is cool if everyone wants to have the same content, SEO experts say duplicate content is not good, I was told it wasn’t duplicate content or “Duplicate content doesn't do a thing and certainly no what you suspect” in an email by I won’t say who, whatever. If you’re a newbie and using the PIPS co-op you decide if want the same content as everyone else. As for making money in the co-op I wish you luck.

I’m not complaining here, I just wanted new PIPS members know that the PIPS co-op didn’t work for me and using auto blogging didn’t do my site any good, if it worked for someone else great, it my own fault for not watching what was going on with my site.

I just redone my site Your Global Cash and it’s now back on google page 3 at global cash, it’s taken 3 day to get there after redoing it, not under the category I want but better than being lost in cyber space. So there you have it newbie’s, keeping your site up to date with original content will rank higher.

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Hi, Joe:

Thank you for posting your honest opinions here. I never used the auto-blogging service and always wondered how well it worked. I am sure different people have different experiences to share. Thank you for posting yours.

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As I said - duplicate content does not hurt you and I will say it again. It does not hurt you. If it is your own duplicate content however you get credit only for the first version as far as backlinks. So what is the point. Better to change it around each time you submit it if you want multiple backlinks.

You are really making some big assumptions. Your site could go down on Google ranking for many reasons and you have no real idea what did it - so you are assuming it was the autoblogging for some reason...

It is quite common for ranking to fluctuate.

That is the latest word from SEO experts- in fact straight from Google's own blog, since you apparently think I am daft.

http://googlewebmastercentral.blogsp...t-penalty.html






Demystifying the "duplicate content penalty"

Friday, September 12, 2008 at 8:30 AM

Duplicate content. There's just something about it. We keep writing about it, and people keepasking about it. In particular, I still hear a lot of webmasters worrying about whether they may have a "duplicate content penalty."
Let's put this to bed once and for all, folks: There's no such thing as a "duplicate content penalty." At least, not in the way most people mean when they say that.
There are some penalties that are related to the idea of having the same content as another site—for example, if you're scraping content from other sites and republishing it, or if you republish content without adding any additional value. These tactics are clearly outlined (and discouraged) in our Webmaster Guidelines:
  • Don't create multiple pages, subdomains, or domains with substantiallyduplicate content.
  • Avoid... "cookie cutter" approaches such as affiliate programs with little or no original content.
  • If your site participates in an affiliate program, make sure that your site adds value. Provide unique and relevant content that gives users a reason to visit your site first.
(Note that while scraping content from others is discouraged, having others scrape you is a different story; check out this post if you're worried about being scraped.)
But most site owners whom I hear worrying about duplicate content aren't talking about scraping or domain farms; they're talking about things like having multiple URLs on the same domain that point to the same content. Like www.example.com/skates.asp?color=black&brand=riedell and www.example.com/skates.asp?brand=riedell&color=black. Having this type of duplicate content on your site can potentially affect your site's performance, but it doesn't cause penalties. From our article onduplicate content:
Duplicate content on a site is not grounds for action on that site unless it appears that the intent of the duplicate content is to be deceptive and manipulate search engine results. If your site suffers from duplicate content issues, and you don't follow the advice listed above, we do a good job of choosing a version of the content to show in our search results.
This type of non-malicious duplication is fairly common, especially since many CMSs don't handle this well by default. So when people say that having this type of duplicate content can affect your site, it's not because you're likely to be penalized; it's simply due to the way that web sites and search engines work.
Most search engines strive for a certain level of variety; they want to show you ten different results on a search results page, not ten different URLs that all have the same content. To this end, Google tries to filter out duplicate documents so that users experience less redundancy. You can find details in this blog post, which states:
  1. When we detect duplicate content, such as through variations caused by URL parameters, we group the duplicate URLs into one cluster.
  2. We select what we think is the "best" URL to represent the cluster in search results.
  3. We then consolidate properties of the URLs in the cluster, such as link popularity, to the representative URL.
Here's how this could affect you as a webmaster:
  • In step 2, Google's idea of what the "best" URL is might not be the same as your idea. If you want to have control over whether www.example.com/skates.asp?color=black&brand=riedell or www.example.com/skates.asp?brand=riedell&color=black gets shown in our search results, you may want to take action to mitigate your duplication. One way of letting us know which URL you prefer is by including the preferred URL in your Sitemap.
  • In step 3, if we aren't able to detect all the duplicates of a particular page, we won't be able to consolidate all of their properties. This may dilute the strength of that content's ranking signals by splitting them across multiple URLs.
In most cases Google does a good job of handling this type of duplication. However, you may also want to consider content that's being duplicated across domains. In particular, deciding to build a site whose purpose inherently involves content duplication is something you should think twice about if your business model is going to rely on search traffic, unless you can add a lot of additional value for users. For example, we sometimes hear from Amazon.com affiliates who are having a hard time ranking for content that originates solely from Amazon. Is this because Google wants to stop them from trying to sell Everyone Poops? No; it's becausehow the heck are they going to outrank Amazon if they're providing the exact same listing? Amazon has a lot of online business authority (most likely more than a typical Amazon affiliate site does), and the average Google search user probably wants the original information on Amazon, unless the affiliate site has added a significant amount of additional value.
Lastly, consider the effect that duplication can have on your site's bandwidth. Duplicated content can lead to inefficient crawling: when Googlebot discovers ten URLs on your site, it has to crawl each of those URLs before it knows whether they contain the same content (and thus before we can group them as described above). The more time and resources that Googlebot spends crawling duplicate content across multiple URLs, the less time it has to get to the rest of your content.
In summary: Having duplicate content can affect your site in a variety of ways; but unless you've been duplicating deliberately, it's unlikely that one of those ways will be a penalty. This means that:
  • You typically don't need to submit a reconsideration request when you're cleaning up innocently duplicated content.
  • If you're a webmaster of beginner-to-intermediate savviness, you probably don't need to put too much energy into worrying about duplicate content, since most search engines have ways of handling it.
  • You can help your fellow webmasters by not perpetuating the myth of duplicate content penalties! The remedies for duplicate content are entirely within your control. Here are some good places to start.
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The Duplicate Content Myth: Variety in the Stew of SEO

Submitted by Ben Finklea on April 22, 2009 - 3:49pm


The myth of duplicate content has been cultivated by the growth of the search engine optimization industry. It is purposed as a proverbial old wives tale scaring each new generation of SEO neophytes. “Don’t steal grandpa’s content” she cackles over the crackling of the hearth and the bubbling of the SEO stew. The fact of the matter is that grandpa likes variety in his stew, and grandma’s wooden spoon is covered with spiders that know what “duplicate content” tastes like.
Variety in the Stew of SEO
Yesterday I discussed the fine line between duplicating, or poaching content and having multiple URLs on the same domain that points to the same content. If you missed it, you can read it here. Most search engines are like grandpa, and strive for a level of variety in their results. They want to show you ten different results when you search, not ten different links to the same content. In order to avoid this, Grandma Google tries to filter out documents that have duplicate content so that users taste more variety in their SEO stew.
When encountering duplicate content, Grandma Google groups the URLs into one cluster. The best URLs are selected to represent the cluster in the search results. Once that has been done, the URLs properties are consolidated, such as link popularity and given to the representative URL.
There are ways for webmasters to tell Grandma Google what the ‘best’ URL is, that will pass the control back from the spiders and to the master. This allows webmasters to take action to mitigate their duplications. On the website’s sitemap, designate which URL is the preferred page for Grandma Google to toss in the stew. One problem that can affect anyone’s rankings is if the spiders have trouble detecting all the duplicates of a particular page. They will be unable to consolidate all of their properties, which will dilute the proverbial stew and weaken their rankings, by splitting the content across multiple URLs.
For the most part, Grandma Google’s stew always tastes delicious, and handles the duplication well. However, if you are considering content that will be duplicated across domains, you should think twice. If you are unable to add additional value for users, you are just competing with your own rankings. In most cases, Google and search users want to read information from the original source. This happens quite regularly with affiliates. They will use duplicate content from Grandpa Content without adding any value whatsoever. They then get upset for not ranking as high, or higher, than the original source of information.

Even in the wide world of search engine optimization, people don’t like copy-cats. There are some misperceptions of what duplicate content is and many neophytes tend to overreact to the old wives tales. Grandpa Content may be hard of hearing, and many people think they can get away with sneaking sips of his stew behind his back. But be careful. No one likes the strong rap on the head Grandma Google dishes out with her spoon, because many don’t make it back for seconds.
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That shows you how confusing Google is to me.

I just ran a link check on your site and find a total of 15 backlinks, -0- PR, over 9 million Alexa and for your keywords "Global Cash" you are on page 4 out of 33.5 million searches. Go figure!

Good job reworking your site, looks like you are making some good progress.

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Thank you GT and your welcome, always good to here from you.

Hello Patrician and thanks for posting all your research, maybe duplicate content may not hurt but I did notice none of you sites use Dustin’s auto blogging, also being a member of stompnet they would disagree with you. Being a member of stompernet and receiving the monthly net effect I know a little about SEO, I may not be an expert on SEO but I will listen to the experts at stompernet on this subject of duplicate content. I understand that Dustin’s auto blogging is part of the PIPS co-op and it’s only natural for you to support them. But with everyone having the same content on there pips blogs google will find it irrelevant and rank them sites lower. Your right we can change the content around which I started doing at first but if were going to do that then we might as well start fresh will original content. New pips member don’t know any of this and should.

So what’s the point you ask ? My point is to let new pips members know about Dustin’s auto blogging and let them decide if it’s good for them or not before spending there hard earned money, Newbie’s sign up for the pips co-op for opportunity thinking it’s all good but all the opportunity goes to those at the top, like I said I made a whopping $0.00 over a 1 year period and I wont say how much I spent. My feeling are new pips members should be getting help to get start not taking more of there money for something that doesn’t work or at least didn’t work for me but that just my thoughts.

I’m really making some big assumptions ? I make no assumptions on the facts of the monitoring on my site, before the auto blog posting I could find my site on page one at google on a specific keyword and its was not fluctuating, I understand sites fluctuate and I have sites that do that. After using the auto posting on my site it disappeared over time and I could not find it under any keyword, that’s a facts and no assumptions. After stopping the auto posting and redoing my site Your Global Cash it’s climbing back up in google on specific keywords, page 3 or 4 last I checked in 3 days and that’s a fact.

This section of the warrior forums as it says above,

“This forum is for Plug-In Profit Site members. Get in here and start asking questions, helping others and networking to grow your business. We're family here. Your success is our success.”

Are they really getting help paying for the co-op ? Well that’s what I was hoping to do for the new members is inform them, I’m not complaining about anything just giving advice to newbie’s, I seen a lot of pip blog sites with the same content and newbie’s should know to change it that’s all.

Everyone have a great day and to your success !

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Hi leon and thanks, I never did a alexa check on my site and I know it sucks for ranking but I working on it.

Thanks for the compliment on my site, it's a lot of work to change these sites the way there built but I found an easy way to do it, I'll try to do a video how to change them.

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Hi Joe,

Well said and good comments. Thanks for sharing your feedback which will help all members make the best choice for them.

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Originally Posted by iddigger View Post

Hello Patrician and thanks for posting all your research, maybe duplicate content may not hurt but I did notice none of you sites use Dustin’s auto blogging, also being a member of stompnet they would disagree with you. I understand that Dustin’s auto blogging is part of the PIPS co-op and it’s only natural for you to support them.
Thanks Joe. But please understand I am just as much an advocate for our members as I am our partners. I have always preached 'no duplicate content' and teach ways to re-engineer content so that it is not duplicate. However recently an SEO expert told me and/or I read what I told you: while duplicate content may be useless SEO wise, there are no real penalties. That was my point. I am going to have to do some more research to prove my point I guess.

Having said that having more or less permanent writers block when it comes to blogs and articles, it is easier for me to re-engineer PLR articles as bad as some of them are, rather than to sit there with a blank stare. I tried spinners and they are more trouble and more tedious than anything including trying to think of something to say - and I include Stompernet's spinner in ones I have rejected out of hand.

As for my sites, no I don't use an autoblogger. I have not actively promoted my sites in quite some time and more or less just like to 'fiddle' with the HTML, etc - nor have I spent any money on them other than hosting, although I would love to afford "auto" anything. My 'niche' is virtual administration and coaching. I don't have much passion for IM other than SEO. Still will cop Paul in Romans (sic) "...why do I do the things I know I shouldn't and not do the things I should" - I know what to do, I just won't do it. Whatever...

As for the co-op I honestly feel that it is a good deal just in comparing what you would spend on half-way decent articles; and as article marketing is a long-term strategyl, I still say it has value. As well, the advertisement mediums used are stellar - so what can you say if there are not always conversions - (including offline - prestigious and expensive publications like USA Today, Home Business Today, Small Business Opportunities) - that does cost big bucks alone, let alone paying copywriters etc. - so to me that justifies the cost).

I will consult with a few of my highly paid SEO consultants and see if I can get them to come here or give me some resources to post here.

In any case, thanks for your feedback.

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Thanks Jeff,

Appreciate your comment, I know how it feels thinking a program is going really going boost your business and then turns out to do nothing after spending a lot of money, I just feel newbie's should know all the truth and then decide if a program is good or not.

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Thanks Patricia,

I understand your position and I know your here to help, I'm not here often enough to see all the help you do but I'm sure it's all apreciated.

The only thing I disagree with you on is the co-op especially the advertising part of it because it never did anything for me.

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HI JOE,

Thanks for raising this issue of the Co-op's real value. I have been considering this quite a bit lately as I jumped on board with it as soon as it was promoted on our PIP's backoffice.

Just as I hopped on board with buying AdMinder Leads ($79) as well as the PushButton Leads programs ($19.95 charged even after I canceled).

And, I hoped on board with the Lawn Chair Millionaire program ($70ish) too...cancelled my Success University from which I had upgraded ($170ish) when I learned it was dropped. I cancelled Lawn Chair after getting into the Vault and realizing that the programs are not things I'm interested in promoting.

From 11,100 leads from the Adminder program, 3 subscribers, initially, now only 1.

From the Pushbutton Leads, 0 subscribers.

From the Co-op, no results whatsoever. Additionally, I have other issues with it -- emails and phone calls to the special number for Co-op members went unanswered or unreturned for several days. Phone call still hasn't been returned!

In theory all those programs sound great and were greatly promoted. However, none have produced anything for me yet. My expectations from what I had read was that people would be signing up almost immediately!!!

So, I am with you in that new people need more realistic information rather than some of the pie-in-the-sky, get it now while it's cheap sort of talk.

Lesson -- I am making decisions regarding all this a bit slower with a bit more research.

By the way, your website looks great...I want to re-do mine as well!

Again, thanks for introducing the dialogue.

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I am a part of the co-op and as of yet have seen nothing, now saying that I know they are doing a big ad promo for this month, so will have to see.

As far as content goes, I don't rely on it. I do my own and it is just added content.

As a newbie, I wonder if it should be as heavily pushed as it is. I recognize that it could have value, but with the amount of work involved at the beginning if you rely totally on the co-op you are looking at a long time before it does anything.

The SEO they are using is competitive, and a lot of times it is easier for me to write my own blog/article to fit, than to rewrite theirs.

If you were an established site, and you were looking to automate more, then possibly the co-op is the answer.

Just my thoughts.

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Hello Shelia,

Thanks for the reply and glad the post helped you out and hope it helps other new pips members. AdMinder I never tried and have no plans to, Push Button Leads is the biggest rip off I have ever tried. Lawn Chair Millionaire I know is new and the way most of these programs don’t work I’m not even going to check them out. Traffic Swarm why do it ? My thought is it’s waste, everyone’s doing the same thing there marketing a business and not ever getting a signup there I don’t use them anymore.

Personally I don’t know why some of these programs that don’t work are not removed and replace with new ones that would really benefit new members because the internet is always changing and so should these programs, my guess is those at the top benefit to mush but I may be wrong, if read the pips sales page very carefully well (LOL)

The PIPS is setup free but there’s no reason to signup for every program on it or the back office, new members need to change there site or build another site might be easier because it’s not so easy to change your main site if you don’t know HTML and market your new site. Offer new prospects something free or how you will help them before sending them to the pips sales page.

I know I got off the subject a little and sorry about that, need free templates to build another site? Free Templates Here.
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Appreciate the comment on my site Shelia, thank you !

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I wil forward you comments to Dustin Cannon and he will respond.

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Thanks for raising this issue of the Co-op's real value. I have been considering this quite a bit lately as I jumped on board with it as soon as it was promoted on our PIP's backoffice.

From the Co-op, no results whatsoever. Additionally, I have other issues with it -- emails and phone calls to the special number for Co-op members went unanswered or unreturned for several days. Phone call still hasn't been returned!

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I joined the PIPS co-op once I got to the step about issuing a press release for your site. Seemed like a good offset on cost, $150 for a press release, or $97 (monthly), for a press release and everything else.

However, after seeing a lack of results, and generic blog post on my site, I think I'd rather do it myself. Also, I want to keep my budget down, and $97 a month some a program that may/may not produce every month seems like a waste.

Problem I have now is I can't cancel! I emailed the co-op at the address spec in the Terms but received a "failure to deliver" notification. Called the 1-800 #, left a message (odd?), no one calls me back!

Do not want to be billed again!

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I WILL ALSO SEND YOUR COMMENTS DIRECTLY TO DUSTIN FOR A RESPONSE.


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I joined the PIPS co-op once I got to the step about issuing a press release for your site. Seemed like a good offset on cost, $150 for a press release, or $97 (monthly), for a press release and everything else.

However, after seeing a lack of results, and generic blog post on my site, I think I'd rather do it myself. Also, I want to keep my budget down, and $97 a month some a program that may/may not produce every month seems like a waste.

Problem I have now is I can't cancel! I emailed the co-op at the address spec in the Terms but received a "failure to deliver" notification. Called the 1-800 #, left a message (odd?), no one calls me back!

Do not want to be billed again!

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Hello Shelia,

Thanks for the reply and glad the post helped you out and hope it helps other new pips members. AdMinder I never tried and have no plans to, Push Button Leads is the biggest rip off I have ever tried. Lawn Chair Millionaire I know is new and the way most of these programs don’t work I’m not even going to check them out. Traffic Swarm why do it ? My thought is it’s waste, everyone’s doing the same thing there marketing a business and not ever getting a signup there I don’t use them anymore.

Personally I don’t know why some of these programs that don’t work are not removed and replace with new ones that would really benefit new members because the internet is always changing and so should these programs, my guess is those at the top benefit to mush but I may be wrong, if read the pips sales page very carefully well (LOL)

The PIPS is setup free but there’s no reason to signup for every program on it or the back office, new members need to change there site or build another site might be easier because it’s not so easy to change your main site if you don’t know HTML and market your new site. Offer new prospects something free or how you will help them before sending them to the pips sales page.



Appreciate the comment on my site Shelia, thank you !

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Thanks for raising this issue of the Co-op's real value. I have been considering this quite a bit lately as I jumped on board with it as soon as it was promoted on our PIP's backoffice.

From the Co-op, no results whatsoever. Additionally, I have other issues with it -- emails and phone calls to the special number for Co-op members went unanswered or unreturned for several days. Phone call still hasn't been returned!

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I WILL ALSO SEND YOUR COMMENTS DIRECTLY TO DUSTIN FOR A RESPONSE.

Thank you...subscribing to this thread to see where it leads. Seems there are some issues here:confused:

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Hello,

I believe that duplicate content is one of the most misunderstood concepts on the Internet for those new to Internet marketing.

Duplicate content, which Pat pointed out, as defined by Google has to do primarily with having multiple pages on the same domain with similar content. In the past people used to create hundreds of pages with the same content only changing certain keyword phrases. That way they could have one article and hundreds of pages of content each “optimized for a different keyword phrase.”

Having the same content on different web sites owned by different people is not really that much of a concern. You certainly will never be penalized. Think about it this way. If Google could penalize you because your content matched someone else’s content then others could sabotage your success simply by posting your content on their web site or blog.

With that being said, original content infused with your own personality is always preferred over private label content but the problem is the majority of people cannot write and/or cannot afford to purchase original articles at $15 to $25 per article.

Consistently publishing fresh content is vitally important to high search engine rankings and if you cannot afford to post content to your blog daily then you are much better off using plr articles like those the co-op members receive through download in the member’s area or through the auto blog posting service.

In fact, Jeff Johnson, one of the Internet foremost authorities on Internet marketing has recommended setting up blogs with feeds from other content sites to make certain that your blog has updated fresh content daily.

I have blogs that where I have used 100% other people’s content from EzineArticle.com and even linked out to their site from each post and those sites have continued to get a substantial amount of free traffic.

The following blog at Gallery Tattoo Design generates Click Bank checks for me on a regular basis and all of the content is other people’s articles from EzineArticles.com. Same at
Samurai and these are all Blogger blogs by the way.

The co-op blog at Home Based Business Ideas - Make Money Online receives a large volume of traffic and it is entirely plr from the co-op and/or other people’s articles.

If you cannot afford to shell out $15 t0 $25 per article from JustArticles.com - The Trusted Experts In Content-Based Internet Marketing or through the co-op article ordering section then you either need to be posting PLR articles, modified PLR articles or writing your own content. I have never seen anyone be successful online long term that did not do an aggressive content based Internet marketing campaign. This does not include those who joint venture with others who have large lists.:-) Joint ventures with those who have large lists is the easiest and fasted way to big bucks online but these deals are difficult to get.

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I joined the PIPS co-op once I got to the step about issuing a press release for your site. Seemed like a good offset on cost, $150 for a press release, or $97 (monthly), for a press release and everything else.

However, after seeing a lack of results, and generic blog post on my site, I think I'd rather do it myself. Also, I want to keep my budget down, and $97 a month some a program that may/may not produce every month seems like a waste.

Problem I have now is I can't cancel! I emailed the co-op at the address spec in the Terms but received a "failure to deliver" notification. Called the 1-800 #, left a message (odd?), no one calls me back!

Do not want to be billed again!

PS. How A Carefully Crafted Press Release Can Promote Your Business Web Site To Tens Of Thousands Of People Within Only 7 Days! For more information visit JustArticles.com" - The Trusted Experts In Content-Based Internet Marketing

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Thank you all, my concerns have all been taken care off.

Also, thanks for the post Dustin, that should clear up some misconceptions. I have to say, it's not that I didn't like the service provided by the PIPS co-op, but I would simply rather do it myself. I would still recommend your service to those people you mentioned, who cannot write, or afford to buy, original articles.

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Thanks Aaron. I wish you much continued success in your business!

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Would like some feedback on the PIPS Co_Op advertising package. I have just subscribed to PIPS and currently going through the 30day training.
The cost is $97 per month and just wondering if the cost is worth it.

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I can see that you are new to the program. Welcome.

The fact is that i didn't enjoy it when i subscribed it. in fact it didn't worth it.

And do not upgrade or spend a dime till some of the free stuff in the 30 day training start working out

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Hello Dustin,

Thanks for trying to clear up duplicate content, my reason I started this thread was to help new pips members being this is a support site was to advise members of there auto blogging on there site and how it could effect them. This was the experience I had from my own site using your co-op service.

Before using the co-op service I could find my site on specific keywords and that was before I had blog on it, after using the co-op with the blog on my site it could not be found over time anywhere with any keyword, not even typing my domain name for keyword could it be found. If your reply is correct then I should have been able to find my site.

So then I started looking at other pips and I find we all have the same content. Your right, google is not going to penalize us for the same content, but google is going to find all these sites unimportant having the same content and rank them lower especially if there new sites. Do the new pips members know this ?

There’s a lot more factors to what you write about, these sites you write about have a lot more backlinks and advertising. New pips members have none of that so how is the co-op going to help them if it did nothing for me in a two year period.

Couple quotes from the original co-op sales pitch.

“ Congratulations on securing your spot in the BizOppMarketing.com Plug-In Profit Site advertising program. We are confident that this program is going to be the answer to helping you succeed in your home business. We are committed to making you successful and will be looking for ways to improve the program and add additional traffic sources on a consistent basis at no additional costs to you.”

“ We are excited about the opportunities for members to start receiving quality targeted traffic from prospects genuinely interested in finding a home business online through a variety of offline traditional media sources as well as supplemental advertising in some powerhouse home business related web sites.”

Well the co-op, the auto blogging all sounds great but is it really helping new members ? If it did nothing for me in two years how many years would you predict it to benefit a new member ? Personally I don’t care if someone want to blow there money on the co-op but always seem to be some kind of fee or group to keep charging newbie’s when they don’t know any of this stuff. How does this help them ?

Fresh content is free to put on your site if you know how to copy and paste, heck I have a free program that changes article wording, auto blog feeds are free to setup, Brad Callen has a free auto blogging service, PLR articles are free all over the internet, press release you can get free, Jeff Johnson ? I don’t believe he’s charging for any auto content service but I could be wrong.

You show us Stone Evens main site, the first pips with how many years being online, press release to it and probably thousands of back links with ads to it and probably same with the tattoo and other site. As for shelling out money I don’t think people have a problem with that, it the result they get for there money.

I just change everything on my site now and after getting rid of the auto blogging my site is back on page one after a weeks time, maybe not where I want it but I can find it on google. Besides the pips is not my priority now, when I can join a business with only a onetime small fee and make over $1000.00 per hr its kind of hard to market the pips but I’ll keep doing it when I have time.

New members wanting to know real SEO and ranking google search stompernet and watch some of there free videos, get the net effect if you can afford it. Best SEO and ranking info I have seen and get monthly.

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You are probably not looking for my opinion since it might be biased of course

… but here is a summary of what you are paying for in the co-op.

As a member of the co-op you receive the following:

Equal Distribution of Traffic from the rotator including traffic from the Forum Announcement at
WarriorForum - Internet Marketing Forums - Announcements in Forum : Plug-In Profit Site Support Forum
which is first thing people see when they visit this forum.

Free Press Release Written by JustArticles.com - The Trusted Experts In Content-Based Internet Marketing (Value $149)

Free Access To Stone Evans Interview (The Stone Evans Interview)

30 PLR Home Business Articles Per Month

Automated Blog Posting

Automated Article Submission To EzineArticles.com – the co-op articles have received more than 30,000 views this spring alone (Dustin Heath - EzineArticles.com Expert Author Bio)

Ability To Submit Articles And Get Backlinks From Our Blog Network (Example: The Home Business Monkey| ) Links from these sites are extremely valuable in terms of linking value compared to article directories because Google puts more weight on links from niche relevant sites. Our members get real natural results from this submissions service.

Examples Of Search Engine Rankings Of Co-op Members

Co-op Member Makes Google Page #1

Co-op Member On Second Page Of Google

Customizable YouTube Video

Telephone Access For Questions About Internet Marketing

Ability To Order Original Articles For $15 Which Are Submitted Free To Our Blog Network

Plus members can use the toll free number 800-391-5068 on any of their own marketing.

Please let me know if you have any questions. My staff is always available at 800-997-2481.

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Hi Hookman and Welcome

I think that the pips coop is NOT worth the money..

the only value in the coop is the video you can download

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Hookman,

OK, here is what you need to do...

First, ask yourself if the price of the co-op fits
in your budget?

Second, you'll want to look at all the products and
perks that come with the co-op...

Then you must ask yourself, is that worth paying $97
dollars a month for?

Then make a decision on that!

If you ask in this forum if it is worth it, the majority
of the people will say it is not worth it! We've been told
there are allot of PIPS co-op members that do not visit the
forum that are getting results! Never seen them but they
say they exist!

I was always told.... Just because you've never seen a billion
dollars, doesn't mean it doesn't exist!

Therefore, I'll take their word for it!

Good luck, and welcome to PIPS,

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Well said. You are certainly right. In fact, based on small number of people who participate in this forum I would estimate that less than 1% of PIPS members visit this forum.

Our tracking stats have shown thousands of leads generated and daily sales made for our members but we cannot track WHO makes those sales and we all know that most people only complain about problems as opposed to telling success stories. Also, when people make sales or generate leads from the articles they are submitting, etc as a result of the blog most cannot track that back to the co-op. For example, they get traffic from the article through their own web site and don't know ultimately where it came from.

"Results" from the article submissinons etc. is black and white and anyone can check their number of indexed inbound links, etc.

The great thing is that the article submitted through the co-op will still be delivering traffic to members years from now even after they are no longer a member. The co-op keeps on delivering in the future and that is why we have set it up with so many content based marketing strategies.

The other thing to consider in terms of cost is what the value of a visitor is. In other words what could you do with $97 to get targeted high quality traffic?

Anyone who has done much Pay Per Click for competitive terms like "Home Business" knows that it will cost anywhere from $1.50 to $2.50 or more per click. Anyone who says you can get clicks for less is going after very obsure phrases that get very little traffic and even then you will not find targeted traffic or less than 50 cents unless you are targeting Asia.

That means you could only buy about 38 - 64 clicks per month on Google PPC with $97.

Our members receive that much traffic and more take advantage of their included press release, submit articles through our blog network, take advantage of the automated article submission and use their video and that does not even include traffic from the full page ads in Home Business magazine and soon to be in Small Business Opportunity magazine.

Based on average conversion stats of less than 1% in this industry there is little chance those 64 clicks would turn into a sale. But with content based marketing like the majority of the marketing you can do through the co-op your investment keeps on giving for years to come like real estate you own online.

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Ok, I've read this thread and learned a little. The main point I see here is that if you can afford the co-op us it. True most of us that are using this forum haven't had any success with the co-op. I am new to this whole marketing business thing myself.
You did clear up some questions I had on duplicate content. I was really confused as to what you were talking about.
I was a member of the co-op and still would be if I had the funds to do so. My reason for leaving was exactly that. No I did not see any results but I didn't really expect to see anything in a month. But as a newbie I did understand the need for some content on my sit and as much and as fast a I could get it there. So it did that for me. Now I have to work on it and I am a lazy writer at best. Not to say I can't write but I just procrastinate it too much.
Like iddigger says though it isn't what I see here is that he just wanted to bring it to newbies attention that they may need to hold off on this program until they've gotten there feet wet. And like Bill said check you budget and see if it is within in it and if the value is there for you.

The bottom line is that the Co-op works for the PIPS members that have signed up for it. If you do not feel that you are getting the value for your money then cancel it and move on.

Thanks for the thread it has cleared up some misunderstandings on the Co-op and duplicate content that I had.

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Thanks Bill for your tips. I am up to day 5 of Stones 30 day training and have noticed that most programs DO come at a cost which is not really an option for me at present. I followed this forum for many weeks before deciding on the PIPS program so any opinions or tips would be greatly appreciated.
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Hi - first of all don't make the mistake of foregoing the training because you have money issues.

Still focus only on completing the training and you will find many free ways to promote your business You still need to do everything you can and some of it may have a learning curve as well as to be time consuming to execute.

You still need to learn about the techniques for internet marketing and do as many as you can consistently and aggressively to promote your business.

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When I joined PIPS, I joined under Cynthia Minaar. The first thing she told me is to read through the 30 day training first, without doing anything. Then, set yourself a monthly budget, and work within that budget, picking and choosing the programs you want to use as you go the the training again.

This is the best advice I have heard so far, and although I didn't follow it religiously, it would be my advice to anyone starting from scratch. If you're not sure of something, don't pay for it, whether you can afford it or not isn't an issue.

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This looks like a war to me. Looks like it been resolved. Anyway myself i have continued to receive autoblog post from Dustin's coop after opting out of the coop.
With this i will not only rely on Dustin. thanks Pat and iddiger for raising a complex question.

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