[Mikej413]

As I'm sure most of you know SFI is one of the programs in PIP. It's actually the only free one as far as I know. Recently, however SFI was the victim of a cyber attack(I don't know all the details but I assume it was hacked). I am a member of SFI but never did a whole lot with it and never made any money from it. Now, however, I'm even more reluctant to because it's such a hassle with their new security measures. You have to give them your email address and they forward you a new password or something. However, I tried this and never received anything from them. Apparently they are reluctant to have anything to do with any of the old email addresses and to be honest after what happened to them I really don't blame them. So now apparently you are suppose to sign up all over again(I'm assuming)with a new email address or somehow contact them and give them another one. I haven't done this yet and I'm not sure I want to be bothered although I certainly understand the extra security measures they are taking to ensure their safety. So now I'm thinking I won't bother with PIP. GVO is apparently a bit fishy(accoring to members on here), Empower Network is apparently downright scammy(also according to members on here who fore the most part I do trust)and now problems with SFI. I'm hoping at some point there will be a better system to replace PIP that has other more efficient and more reputable sites. In the case of SFI I believe it's reputable but not efficient(at the moment anyway).

[Patrician]

You don't need an excuse to fail - But what you are saying is untrue and unfair.

There is nothing 'fishy' about GVO - and to be honest after 10 years here, I would be more apt to distrust whoever is bad-mouthing GVO. What exactly are they saying that you interpret as 'fishy'???? We have used them and worked intimately with them for about 2 years now - they have a hell of a deal with the hosting and autoresponder included free - 24 hours technical support for me from India via chat -

So again - because some unknown person had a problem of some kind I wouldn't take that to the bank - I would find out for myself if I was really interested.

Same thing with Empower Network - all the losers can sit back and pronounce their judgments and are the types that believe whatever they hear (they are followers not leaders) but in the meantime those that have an open mind regardless are raking in the big bucks.

Again if you want to identify with the losers and haters, be my guest.

You just sound disenchanted period and if you don't want to take the extra steps with SFI - no big deal either - The value of the program is not because it is free - to earn any money you have to upgrade or buy something or have enough points from referrals - so again don't bother, since it doesn't matter to you.

So basically what you are doing is 'throwing out the baby with the bathwater' - (PIPS is the baby) - there is so much about it that has value and we have people coming back over and over again for the past 10 years - the fact that neither EN or SFI is required if you have a problem with that should not really be the deal breaker.

oh well - i wish you all the best.

[Mikej413]

No I don't need an excuse to fail. No one does. You can be the hardest working person on the planet but if you're program is crap it won't matter. I'm not saying for sure PIP is crap. Quite frankly I don't know.

There is no unknown person. I am going by what others on here have said. They are members and they are going by their experience. You have a stake in PIP so of course you are going to defend it.

Anyway, I have seem to have sorted out SFI(at least for now). I may try PIP or I may not. I haven't decided yet. I will definitely not be using EN if I do though. I can tell you that much.

[Mikej413]

Originally Posted by Patrician

You don't need an excuse to fail - But what you are saying is untrue and unfair.

There is nothing 'fishy' about GVO - and to be honest after 10 years here, I would be more apt to distrust whoever is bad-mouthing GVO. What exactly are they saying that you interpret as 'fishy'???? We have used them and worked intimately with them for about 2 years now - they have a hell of a deal with the hosting and autoresponder included free - 24 hours technical support for me from India via chat -

So again - because some unknown person had a problem of some kind I wouldn't take that to the bank - I would find out for myself if I was really interested.

Same thing with Empower Network - all the losers can sit back and pronounce their judgments and are the types that believe whatever they hear (they are followers not leaders) but in the meantime those that have an open mind regardless are raking in the big bucks.

Again if you want to identify with the losers and haters, be my guest.

You just sound disenchanted period and if you don't want to take the extra steps with SFI - no big deal either - The value of the program is not because it is free - to earn any money you have to upgrade or buy something or have enough points from referrals - so again don't bother, since it doesn't matter to you.

So basically what you are doing is 'throwing out the baby with the bathwater' - (PIPS is the baby) - there is so much about it that has value and we have people coming back over and over again for the past 10 years - the fact that neither EN or SFI is required if you have a problem with that should not really be the deal breaker.

oh well - i wish you all the best.

Just because someone had a bad experience with a product does not make them a loser. I have read several negataive things(and not just on here)about Empower Network. GVO I'm willing to take a chance with and obviously I wouldn't have a choice if I chose PIP but to use them.

You are taking my comments way too personal which tells me you are very closely associated and affiliated with them which means you can't offer an unbiased opinion.

Either way, I may sign up and just not use EN. Pure Leverage might be good and the other one might be good too. Now that I have sorted things out with SFI I might just give it a go.Yeah ultimately I will do what I want and not go by what others say but when you hear so many negative things it makes you cautious and not want to spend your money on something that probably won't pan out. That's too much of a gamble for me.

I didn't mean to be negative but the reality is you can't be too careful out there and really you can only go by what others say. We've all be burned(or at least many of us have). Why go through that if you don't have to?

[Patrician]

I agree - it is true you have to be careful. Sorry if I sound snarky. Bad day(s).

However in 10 years I have watched from both sides of the aisle (the consumer and the merchant). Time and again I have seen when there are negative remarks posted most of the time what they said wasn't even true - (for example that there was some protocol that there wasn't or that you were required to buy something when it was plainly an 'optional' recommendation only ; or that the person didn't even try to work it -they came in and just took the free stuff and in fact in some cases people didn't even follow the instructions - they expected something to happen immediately without working at it and then blamed the program because they didn't make any money. So many times in fact that is why I almost automatically don't believe negative reports any more.

... but to be sure, we have all been burnt - so I know it does happen. However we are adults and as such we should understand the terms and conditions of what we are engaging in with our time, effort and money. Believe me I know anyone can be fooled in a multitude of ways though and I am definitely one of them.

In the case for example of GVO - the risk is $1 for a 7-days trial - and then only $9.97 per month! $10! No contracts, if you are not happy just quit. $10 is the price of lunch!

Well anyway - I hope you do try it - and that you are successful with it ...

[ASG1123]

@mikej413 - I started off with PIPS about 15 days back. See the link in my signature.

Well, GVO is a good investment. For a $1 trial for 1st week & then $9.97 p.m, you get a hosting solution, pre-hosted wordpress site which is already prepared for you, an autoresponder(which is preconfigured with emails responses, BTW). And you get this within 24 hours of signing up on PIPS.

TBH, for someone like me(semi-techie, with average experience in web-dev and design), getting all that stuff I mentioned to be configured[and putting it all together to work seamlessly] is at least a 2 month's task. And I have a day-job to worry about. PIPS does all that for you within 24 hours, at $1 you need to pay for GVO.

AFA, empower network goes, you can choose to stay away from it, as I have done. In my case the entry costs were too high for something I won't be devoting my full time on. And anyways, you can promote other affiliate products once you have the website with you.

Hope it helps. Good luck!

[Jeff Casmer]

Hello,

Just an FYI......SFI has been part of PIPS since the beginning. Some of the other programs come and go based on what fits PIPS at the time for Stone but the constant is SFI and thats based on the great training and trust Stone has in SFI..

Best wishes!
Jeff Casmer

[GomerMagtibay]

Hi Mikej413,

I've been with SFI since 2007. Their compensation then was that of a Powerline, which allows everybody to join as a free affiliate or "pre-enrollee", places pre-enrollees one after another, and then when someone upgraded to paid member, emails the remaining free members to upgrade too to get share of the profit made from those who have paid.

The Powerline system worked great for some, but alienated many, especially those that don't like the concept. So they changed it to what we are seeing now, still based on global pool sharing, but allows free members to earn direct commissions from direct sales through its online store TripleClicks.com.

And just like any other direct sales compensation plan out there, by Avon, or by Amway, with SFI's direct sales compensation plan, your earnings is directly proportional with your efforts and performance. If you make sales, you earn. And if you don't earn, it means, you did not make any sales yourself!

With that type of compensation plan SFI has, should I say, a "legalistic" compensation plan that follows the book of the Federal Trade Commission governing how legitimate direct sales companies should compensate their sales force. You can't blame the company and its system if you don't make money, because, your compensation is based on your performance. If you don't make money, there's nothing to blame but yourself.

You know, in the world of network marketing, it's really hard to balance the two: The payout, and the legality. You will find too much legalistic companies paying too small, while those paying too high often get in trouble with the government regulators.

I think SFI will be around, and will be in PIPS, for the long term, since it's a symbol of a company that follows government rules by the book. We need a company like that in PIPS.

[RobertoM]

Originally Posted by GomerMagtibay

Hi Mikej413,

I've been with SFI since 2007. Their compensation then was that of a Powerline, which allows everybody to join as a free affiliate or "pre-enrollee", places pre-enrollees one after another, and then when someone upgraded to paid member, emails the remaining free members to upgrade too to get share of the profit made from those who have paid.

The Powerline system worked great for some, but alienated many, especially those that don't like the concept. So they changed it to what we are seeing now, still based on global pool sharing, but allows free members to earn direct commissions from direct sales through its online store TripleClicks.com.

And just like any other direct sales compensation plan out there, by Avon, or by Amway, with SFI's direct sales compensation plan, your earnings is directly proportional with your efforts and performance. If you make sales, you earn. And if you don't earn, it means, you did not make any sales yourself!

With that type of compensation plan SFI has, should I say, a "legalistic" compensation plan that follows the book of the Federal Trade Commission governing how legitimate direct sales companies should compensate their sales force. You can't blame the company and its system if you don't make money, because, your compensation is based on your performance. If you don't make money, there's nothing to blame but yourself.

You know, in the world of network marketing, it's really hard to balance the two: The payout, and the legality. You will find too much legalistic companies paying too small, while those paying too high often get in trouble with the government regulators.

I think SFI will be around, and will be in PIPS, for the long term, since it's a symbol of a company that follows government rules by the book. We need a company like that in PIPS.

Hey Gomer,
If you are working with SFI since 2007 I guess you made money with that method.
Can u give us a rough idea about your monthly income and how many members you recruited in you downline?
TY.

[Jeff Casmer]

Hi Roberto,

I have been with SFI for over a decade and each month have received a check....

Numbers etc vary with every person...the key is to get alot of affiliates...

One of my best methods is when I get a new SFI affiliate its a perfect way to introduce them to PIPS

Best wishes!
Jeff Casmer

[GomerMagtibay]

Originally Posted by RobertoM

Hey Gomer,
If you are working with SFI since 2007 I guess you made money with that method.
Can u give us a rough idea about your monthly income and how many members you recruited in you downline?
TY.

I apologize for coming late here. I've been away doing some offline activities these past weeks.

With regard to your question, about my monthly income?

I honestly will reveal to you that, in spite of doing nothing with SFI, for years I've been receiving income from the referrals I've made coming from Moscow, Russia. Efforts that were only done when I was just starting out in SFI, 2007.

See? Doing nothing. Just referred one loyal customer of SFI's Veriuni Liquid Nutrition, which was placed on monthly autoship. Earning residual income again and again from that single referral I've made years ago...

$8 monthly since 2007. Again, doing nothing. Spending nothing. It's always free to become an SFI affiliate.

If you would like to know what program I generate an average of $1,000 per week right now, I can share to you that program too, or better yet, Google me and you'll discover what keeps me busy right now. But I say to you, such program that pay such big amount per week, is not "free" like SFI.