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16 years ago

Basic PHP like you see in many IM apps is pretty dang simple to learn...Especially if your mind hasn't been contaminated by any other languages prior to starting out.

Once you start getting into more advanced aspects it takes a little longer...but the biggest thing you can help yourself with prior to trying to learn it is familiarize yourself with the terminology...

Maybe do a search in google for PHP terminology...
Familiarize yourself with what the concepts are for
arrays
variables
strings
operators
functions
classes

etc etc...some are very similar in the way they work...so it eventually clicks and will fall into place for ya.

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Bojangles 16 years ago

Sounds great. Thanks for the reply. I have a few PHP books, I'm going to start reading those. I've glanced at PHP for dummies and it looks like a pretty good book so far. I've also found a few video tutorials. If anyone has any resources, a links to videos tutorials, I would surely appreciate those as well.

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pjs

16 years ago

Originally Posted by zerofill

Basic PHP like you see in many IM apps is pretty dang simple to learn...Especially if your mind hasn't been contaminated by any other languages prior to starting out.

I'd have to disagree here. I picked up PHP very quickly but I had many years experience prior of C and Perl. Really helped me pick it right up.

Although, that's not needed at all. You can learn PHP relatively quickly. It's a very easy language to get the hang of.

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Bojangles 16 years ago

Good stuff. I can't wait. Hopefully I'll become a force in the world of PHP.
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colinredk

16 years ago

There's an official PHP website, just google it. It has a tutorial as well, on a chapter by chapter and easy to learn. You'll have to do the exercises though. To do the exercises, you would have to install XAMPLITE on your PC. As I mentioned in another post, this is an easy to install all-in-one personal webserver which can run on a local area network or on the localhost. XAMPLITE already has an SQL server and PHP server. Easy to install, configure, run and uninstall as well.

I installed XAMPLITE to run a Wiki on the office LAN. These are all open-source and free. Something you can play with and get the hang off.

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Pete Janelle

16 years ago

Being more of a designer than programmer, I've been learning PHP on and off for some time now. I find the best way to learn (for me) is by deconstructing other people's code. In my case, it's been working with WordPress, Joomla and website frameworks coded by programmers in-house. There's a ton of resources out there, just keep at it and it will click eventually.

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Jeremy123

16 years ago

I just got a template where all the files are php,
I opened it up in frontpage and all I see is code,
is this right.

I normally edit using wysiwyg, so php the way you edit it
is by changing the code?

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imb

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Jeremy123

I just got a template where all the files are php,
I opened it up in frontpage and all I see is code,
is this right.

I normally edit using wysiwyg, so php the way you edit it
is by changing the code?

Yes you are correct

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bendiggs 16 years ago

PHP itself is a simple language, and in all reality, most programming languages are fairly easy to pick up, bu being a programmer isn't just about knowing the language, much like being a poet isn't just about knowing the language. IT requires skill and technique and practice to be a decent programmer. You need to understand the logic of the code more than the language to get what you want out of it.

Learn algorithms and data structures well, and the rest is easy.
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imb

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Bojangles

I'm wanting to learn PHP, and I was wondering how long it takes? There are a few simple things I'm wanting to do in PHP as soon as I learn it. For instance, I want to edit a video CMS. For each video, when I add it to the site, I want to add a new input field. In that field I want to be able to put unique text relating to that particular video. Like a decription, if you will. Once it's added, the stuff I put in the field for that particular video will be called to and displayed. How long before I could learn to do something like this? I know it will require both PHP & MySQL knowledge.

I learned PHP when I first created a guestbook script. I remember that day (some 5-6 years ago) I felt like a genius LOL.

For beginners, everything you need is at php.net/manual

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tomm

16 years ago

PHP is a web-centric language, so you will need a good understanding of HTML;

And regarding basic PHP, it all boils down to functions; if you understand what a function is, then it's just a matter of searching which function does what you need.

In 6 months you can do a lot in PHP

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Bojangles

16 years ago

Just out of curiousity, how much do PHP programmers charge / hour?

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imb

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Bojangles

Just out of curiousity, how much do PHP programmers charge / hour?

This varies a lot. Factors include experience, location, and personal "markup". The range you'd be looking at would be $20-$100/hr.

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Ross Dalangin

16 years ago

It depend on your capability. You can learn it in an hour if you know other languages and knows HTML. You can learn it in a matter of 1 day to 1 week if you are determined to learn it unless you don't know how to navigate or understand English because I have a student before that takes month to learn it because he doesn't know how to use the computer and understand the English language. So again, it's up to the person

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Edge360

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Ross Dalangin

It depend on your capability. You can learn it in an hour if you know other languages and knows HTML. You can learn it in a matter of 1 day to 1 week if you are determined to learn it unless you don't know how to navigate or understand English because I have a student before that takes month to learn it because he doesn't know how to use the computer and understand the English language. So again, it's up to the person

I completely disagree about learning it in an hour if you are used to other languages.

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Ross Dalangin 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Bojangles

Just out of curiousity, how much do PHP programmers charge / hour?

This depends on your experience and how you sell yourself. Don't do a per hour basis as long as you can but make it as a per project basis. When you are starting, you need to make it cheaper to build up your portfolio and boost your self esteem in order to get large projects. Try to go at elance to see how much. But if the client insist on a per hour basis then compute the possible time you can finish the project and divide it in your estimated computation of your project. Remember that most of the time you will re-use the coding and you have your own coding style that you kept for years, so base your pricing on the years you improve your modules because they can get it too. Some newbie programmer sometimes tried to hire you just to steal your code. Imagine that possibility. Think of your modules as your expenses to that you need to deduct on the price of the project then add how much you want to earn. The answer to that will be the price you need to charge.
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- seasoned 16 years ago
  
  If you have the right aptitude and/or experience, it could be hours before it is second nature. If you DON'T have the right experience, and have no aptitude, you may NEVER really understand it. I have known people that have been at BOTH extremes. Most at least COULD learn it in a few weeks.(NO experience and a reasonable aptitude) Most end up probably spending a few days to know JUST enough, and hope they don't run into any problems.
  
  BTW I suggest you FORGET about learning "MYSQL" to program, and try to deal with basic SQL(Preferably some ANSI 1999 with NO stored procedures!). It will be easier to learn, and useful nearly EVERYWHERE! About the only exception to that is like identity columns. I don't know if they are in the 1999 spec, but most databases(MYSQL, DB2, MSSQL,TERADATA, ETC...) accept them to some degree, and most of the others(like oracle) have some way to easily emulate them. Oracle uses sequence objects with a trigger.
  
  One of my pet peeves is people writing GIGANTIC PROPRIETARY queries that are slow, inefficient, incomplete, and prone to failure. THEN, a company asks ME to refine it and have it work on another platform. YIKES!
  
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  coffeesonnow 16 years ago
  
  Doesn't take long at all to learn the basics... Try w3schools.com for help starting out, then just start trying to change other programs, or code new ones. If you run in to a snag, you can just google the answer
  
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Joel Young

11 years ago

Originally Posted by MarioKing

how long does it take to learn Visual Basic and what complexity of sites can I use it to build out of interest?

Seriously? You dig up a five-year old thread, and can't even stay on topic??

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David Beroff 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Joel Young

Seriously? You dig up a five-year old thread, and can't even stay on topic??

Originally Posted by Joel Young

People replying to a 5-year old thread, and the OP hasn't been here since last year.

Makes sense to me.

MarioKing was spamming the board with non sequiturs in order to embed a 1x1 pixel into his posts, presumably to fake his site stats, and possibly for more nefarious purposes, such as possible malware injection. He's since been banned.
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bigd213

11 years ago

w3schools.com is a good place to start. When I am training a new programmer I usually start them off building a calculator. You can start with just adding 2 numbers, then you can add button for multiplication, division, subtraction. You can keep re-working your calculator code to be as complex as you want and take advantage of all the new PHP functions you learn along the way!

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DanCoder

11 years ago

Learning time could differ drastically between different people. A good tip I found to speed up the learning process and help you to digest and remember more is actually put what you learn into practice. For instance, if you're working through an online tutorial, don't just copy and paste code, write it out line by line and analyze it. Say to yourself, "So by doing this piece of code, we get that..." etc etc. Make sure you fully understand what you're coding. Here's a playlist of 200 videos starting from the very basics to more advanced stuff PHP Tutorials Playlist - YouTube

Good Luck

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Joel Young

11 years ago

People replying to a 5-year old thread, and the OP hasn't been here since last year.

Makes sense to me.

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DanCoder 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Joel Young

People replying to a 5-year old thread, and the OP hasn't been here since last year.

Makes sense to me.
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