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Explanation of what languages/ coding acheives what results

by mjbmedia
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to us non techhies we can know what we want to achieve what results we want, but we dont know what coding or language or softarw is best to do it with, so when it comes to finding someoen to do it say on odesk type sites we dont know what to search for , ditto to a certain extent on here we dont know who to approach .

So any pointers as to where we can find the info please?
#acheives #coding #explanation #languages or #results
  • Profile picture of the author Jim Westergren
    What result do you want to achieve? PHP is very common.
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  • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
    Hi Jim, theres no specific result at the mo, thats what Im gettign at, for one of my clients I need one result, for the next its another , the third yet another and all could need different skillsets or the same , but I wont know cos I havent seen anywhere that explains in laymans terms what each skillset can actually achieve.
    Technically minded people will say we do PHP, .net etc but to the majority of us that means nothing , we want to know what that means you can actually achieve , fair enough it may be abroad base of things for some of the skillsets and thats great , but we need to understand the benefits not the names and features of the technical skills better.
    Id happily run a site to do this but dont think its feasibly monetisable
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  • Profile picture of the author Istvan Horvath
    for one of my clients I need one result, for the next its another , the third yet another
    I feel for your clients... - the blind leading the blind.

    You either learn it or get a partner/employee who understands the net.
    (they could also tell you that a URL - even in your sig - should start with http://)
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    • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
      yeh youre helpful ,
      Its not about understanding the net, its knowing what tecchie skillsets deliver what results, funny but different clients have different wants and need different results , its quite simple really if you bother to think about it instead of looking for cheap shots.
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      • Profile picture of the author garben2011
        Originally Posted by mjbmedia View Post

        yeh youre helpful ,
        Its not about understanding the net, its knowing what tecchie skillsets deliver what results, funny but different clients have different wants and need different results , its quite simple really if you bother to think about it instead of looking for cheap shots.
        I can understand your frustration. Kind of see how this would be confusing because you see PHP Programmer but, like you said, this really tells you nothing.

        Being an IT guy I go out of my way to explain in very simple terms what I can do for my clients. They really don't know or care in the least how I am getting something done. They just want the result.

        I never really thought of this from a general perspective though. Do you think there are many people who struggle with this? They don't even look for help because they don't know how to go about it or who to go to?
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        • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
          I would think there are others , im not unique Im sure lol . but yeh like on Odesk you can only search for skillsets not for end results required , of course after a while youll get to know what you use a lot of, but Ive asked techhie people and even they only know what their skillsets can deliver and not what other skills can achieve ,
          Ive even suggested to the phillipines job site to have a list of what achieves what, there has to be many that dont know and so either use a large corporation so they dont feel dumb rather than outsource to you kind of guys/girls.
          Im surprised there isnt a site giving the info somewhere , though there probably is its just not marketed well lol
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          • Profile picture of the author garben2011
            Originally Posted by mjbmedia View Post

            I would think there are others , im not unique Im sure lol . but yeh like on Odesk you can only search for skillsets not for end results required , of course after a while youll get to know what you use a lot of, but Ive asked techhie people and even they only know what their skillsets can deliver and not what other skills can achieve ,
            Ive even suggested to the phillipines job site to have a list of what achieves what, there has to be many that dont know and so either use a large corporation so they dont feel dumb rather than outsource to you kind of guys/girls.
            Im surprised there isnt a site giving the info somewhere , though there probably is its just not marketed well lol
            That is actually why I asked you the question.

            Sounds like it might be something worth setting up a site for. Throw Adsense on for some easy (and tiny) income or even better link to different service providers on a referral % fee basis.

            Maybe a little ebook / video series walking people into the technology outsourcing arena.

            Part of the issue is just like you stated there is a huge difference between PHP Programmer and PHP Programmer even though they look exactly the same. The first might focus completely on updating WordPress themes and creating small scripts for websites. The second might develop full eCommerce stores in PHP and MySQL.

            But if I understand you correctly this is the kind of information you are looking for, right? Like if you wanted a dynamic site, a full eCommerce store built from scratch you want to know that you should look for a PHP Programmer familiar with eCommerce site development running on a database backend?
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            • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
              Originally Posted by garben2011 View Post

              That is actually why I asked you the question.

              Sounds like it might be something worth setting up a site for. Throw Adsense on for some easy (and tiny) income or even better link to different service providers on a referral % fee basis.

              Maybe a little ebook / video series walking people into the technology outsourcing arena.

              Part of the issue is just like you stated there is a huge difference between PHP Programmer and PHP Programmer even though they look exactly the same. The first might focus completely on updating WordPress themes and creating small scripts for websites. The second might develop full eCommerce stores in PHP and MySQL.

              But if I understand you correctly this is the kind of information you are looking for, right? Like if you wanted a dynamic site, a full eCommerce store built from scratch you want to know that you should look for a PHP Programmer familiar with eCommerce site development running on a database backend?
              yep youre spot on there sir, so i know exactly what and who to search for and approach as I dotn have time to learn it myself or have time to be wasted by pretenders, and like I say I cant beleive Im the only one, maybe Im the only one who'll admit it .

              Like go onto any of those outsourcing sites and theres languages and coding skills on there I havent heard of and dont have a clue what they do yet they could be exactly what Im looking for.
              In my second post I said id run such a site but its low monetisation doesnt make it a feasible option for my aims
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              • Profile picture of the author garben2011
                Originally Posted by mjbmedia View Post

                yep youre spot on there sir, so i know exactly what and who to search for and approach as I dotn have time to learn it myself or have time to be wasted by pretenders, and like I say I cant beleive Im the only one, maybe Im the only one who'll admit it .

                Like go onto any of those outsourcing sites and theres languages and coding skills on there I havent heard of and dont have a clue what they do yet they could be exactly what Im looking for.
                In my second post I said id run such a site but its low monetisation doesnt make it a feasible option for my aims

                I understand what you mean because I also visit those sites. I think a lot of it comes about because this is the way most developers list their qualifications on their resumes. Most job openings look for skills and experience in those skills. So, even the freelance people are advertising that way and the freelance sites are set up that way. When they should be talking to their customers on a more personal level addressing their needs not pitching their programming skills.

                This is actually a great idea you have. I've been thinking for a long time there has to be a way to put my dev skills (or at least my knowledge) to use to make money online by providing some real value.

                Now, I am thinking heck I could write a whole series of articles on this subject. I never considered that kind of thing would be useful to anyone but really thinking about it the way you have described it... I am sure you are not the only one who would benefit.
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                • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
                  Originally Posted by garben2011 View Post

                  I understand what you mean because I also visit those sites. I think a lot of it comes about because this is the way most developers list their qualifications on their resumes. Most job openings look for skills and experience in those skills. So, even the freelance people are advertising that way and the freelance sites are set up that way. When they should be talking to their customers on a more personal level addressing their needs not pitching their programming skills.

                  This is actually a great idea you have. I've been thinking for a long time there has to be a way to put my dev skills (or at least my knowledge) to use to make money online by providing some real value.

                  Now, I am thinking heck I could write a whole series of articles on this subject. I never considered that kind of thing would be useful to anyone but really thinking about it the way you have described it... I am sure you are not the only one who would benefit.
                  well i'll have the review copy and 10% for ideas commission
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                  • Profile picture of the author garben2011
                    Originally Posted by mjbmedia View Post

                    well i'll have the review copy and 10% for ideas commission
                    Ha ha! If I make a WSO that certainly sounds good. I think at this point though it'll just be some articles. I need to fire up FreeMind and map it out.

                    Building a site on it would be the easiest way to go. I mean it is just writing it all down out of my head. The mind map should help to keep it structured.

                    Maybe once a site is done I will think... you know this could all go into an ebook or some videos. And then it could become a WSO or something else.

                    But definitely keep you in the loop because you are the target audience.

                    Who knows maybe one page will cover everything and that'll be the end of it.
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                    • Profile picture of the author garben2011
                      Okay, this is what I have come up with at this point.

                      Mind Map is attached as an image.

                      I'd just need to write the articles. One for each node. The left side needs to be fleshed out more.


                      I think this could turn out to be useful.

                      Any input is welcome.

                      Obviously, rough. I just drafted it up.
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  • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
    yeh be good, maybe a cross reference so a user can type in either the tecchie terms and it lists what those skills can acheive or the results they want and it lists what skillsets they need to search for
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    • Profile picture of the author KirkMcD
      Originally Posted by mjbmedia View Post

      maybe a cross reference so a user can type in either the tecchie terms and it lists what those skills can acheive or the results they want and it lists what skillsets they need to search for
      It just doesn't work that way.

      Here is an example:
      Result wanted: You want an ecommerce store.
      Skillset required: A web programmer who knows databases.

      Now knowing that you want a web programmer isn't going to help. Why? There are many types of languages for working on the web. Also there are many platforms and you still might want to choose between windows and linux. A linux web programmer will have different skills than a windows one.

      Than there are the databases. MySQL is the most common, but for windows MS SQL Server is more common, but you also have a few others to choose from.
      Then of course there are people who specialize. A programmer might be able to work with databases, but might not be very good at designing them or optimizing them.

      Or for skillset required you could just list all the permutations, but that would be worse because there are so many possible permutations.

      Then how much experience will be needed. Of course, a longtime programmer can do a lot more than an new one, but at what point does a "new" programmer become experienced enough to do what you want?

      I'm sorry. I'm ranting. I deal with end users all the time who don't know what they want. My job is to figure out what they really want and to make it realistically happen, on time and on budget.
      How do I figure out what they want and how to do it? From over two decades of experience. It's not something that can just be written down and explained. It's something that you learn from experience.
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    • Profile picture of the author garben2011
      Originally Posted by mjbmedia View Post

      yeh be good, maybe a cross reference so a user can type in either the tecchie terms and it lists what those skills can acheive or the results they want and it lists what skillsets they need to search for
      That is what I am hoping to accomplish. Working with clients I know they don't really care about the technologies used they just want to get something done (although occasionally one will read an article in some magazine and have .NET or some other technology entrenched in their mind OR a larger company may have an internal Dev team that uses certain technologies)... so I'd like to make it so one can select what they want to do and see a list of technologies / skill sets to look for. And also list the skill sets so one can easily find out what something is and what it is commonly used for.

      As a couple of us have mentioned it won't be perfect because there is a huge difference between what a PHP Programmer can do and what a PHP Programmer can do depending on their experience and other technologies and methodologies they are also experienced in. But I think we can at least make this usable. I figure make it as good as possible. An honest attempt.

      I'll start on some content tonight. I don't plan on making it some hugely detailed thing. Just simple... the way a prototype should be in my opinion.

      At any rate, such a knowledge base would be a sort of living document being updated as new requirements are known. Initially, I imagine you can provide a good number of the use cases and perhaps it would be good to allow people to submit items such as I want to... and then that request can be sorted out and added to the system.
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  • Profile picture of the author mjbmedia
    Hey Kirk, no ranting seen just a good helpful response. People still need to know who to approach to get the results they need though, and I can this need being ever more prevalent.
    Its the same as someone having some medical complaint, they know they need some medication and they know they want to feel better, but they have to go to the doctors to be diagnosed and prescribed , well thats great cos everyone knows the doctor is the medical master who is unbiased in their diagnosis. Whereas approach someone for a tecchie result and they may try to lead you in their direction and still deliver to some extent even though another angle would be the better option ,
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  • Profile picture of the author TopInBooks
    Well, there is different languages for differnt tasks. You can't program websites with desktop programmering langauges like Visual Basic or C Sharp. These languages are used to program applications that is runnable on a Windows Platform. While PHP and HTML are used to write websites and web applications. Therefore, in a programming perspective, there are two ways to go - Desktop or Web.

    Whats your choice?
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    • Profile picture of the author garben2011
      Since I've been busy this week working on a project for a local Chiropractor I've done nothing yet on this except create an empty blogger blog.

      Figured that'd work well to prototype it. And might be all that is needed.

      So... tomorrow I'll write some quick content for this project.
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