you can use both terms because both are relevant to each other. but the most suitable term is a developer..I think

I optimize my sales page for "Jamroom Developer" because that is what I think people will be searching on when they are looking to get customizations done to their jamroom site, but on the actual page i emphasize that "I am a PROGRAMMER, not a designer" so that they dont ask me to "design a cool looking skin"

developer feels like a larger coverage area to me. encompassing any aspects of getting a site from being an idea to it working.

Programmer feels like it is concentrated on the logic side of the code more than css or other visual aspects.

from there, you need to pick what you are. If your not a programmer, then perhaps a term like 'designer' fits better.

Programmers develop programs which contains the set of instructions where as developer develops creates a thing which contains program codes as well as other aspects of software too. Programmer stucks only with the coding work of the software and developer stucks with the overall aspects of the software. But both are respected words in IT or any other field.

Along with programmer and developer, I use a 3rd classification, software engineer.

-A programmer is a skilled worker who knows how to write code.
-A developer is also a programmer, but the skillset is usually broader and works on the full software development lifecycle.
-A software engineer is both a programmer and a developer but is also capable of design, creating complex systems (systems engineer) and generally has more of an engineering background versus a computer science background.

When asked what do I do, I reply that I'm an engineer. Partly because I have a computer engineering degree, but mostly because I do more than just 'program'. I've also been called a developer, but usually I push for engineer.

I would try to avoid the programmer label. It pigeonholes you into a role. You can get a programmer from elance or odesk, but it's much harder to find a developer or an engineer.

I used to call my self a developer, if talking to a more broader idea of software engineering. I usually use programmer to people who are really working on a specific programming language, just write bunch of awesome codes.

if someone told me they were a 'A software engineer' or 'an architect', I'm not sure I would automatically assume that they knew how to write a line of code.

Just like i wouldn't automatically assume that a 'Bridge engineer' knew how to weld, or a 'house architect' knew how to use a hammer.

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Development is the process of evolving new things, but programming is the process of using the language/tools to develop further high end products.

The Difference Between A Developer, A Programmer And A Computer Scientist

The Difference Between A Developer, A Programmer And A Computer Scientist | Hacker News

Here, this may clear things up.


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The two are essential. Look around you will find a lot of similar things in the world.

Programmer = modify existing source...
Developer = Like an Engineer, new idea, and put it in action

Its all depends on you can say you are developer and you can say you are programmer both word have same relations...

A Developer tasks :-
1. Web design
2. Web site layouts
A Programmer tasks :-
1. Component designing
2. Coding
3. Database connectivity

I think based on your Job you're more of a developer than a programmer.

@kokopelli The "Brings own keyboard to work" totally clears it up in my mind.... Nice!

kokopelli..., Nice info graphics.

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Programmer is the person who is responsible for coding and solving algorithms. Programmers need to have some math skills. A software developer is a person concerned with facets of the software development process. Their work includes researching, designing, developing, and testing software.

to-may-to versus to-mah-to...

Sometimes we make distinctions among ourselves...and these distinctions are true...but what title you put on the distinctions change depending on what folks have decided to call code-slingers at their shop...

I always found developer to be the more elevated term. A programmer is someone who may just convert an algorithm into code. A developer develops software which is more holistic and can include everything from concept to completed software.

I know that Programmers have to know a lot about arithmetic at a pretty complex level, not so much with software developers

I think both are corret, but i like the term Programmer more.

Software programmer can be any person who knows the flows,algorithim,stacks and queues and code related to any programming language in which he/she is fluent.He/She may not be a part of software development team or can share her set of skills through teaching only!

Conversely, Software Developer is a part of a solution team that develops a software product.He/she is well versed with technical(programming) and non technical(implementation) details for design and development that lead to ultimately making of the software product according to customised prefrences of the client who ultimately pays and uses the software product.

A programmer, computer programmer, or coder is a person who writes computer software.


Developer may refer to:

• Software developer
• Game developer
• In real estate development
• Photographic developer
• Developer (album)

Now it depends on you what you treat yourself to be!!!!!!!!!

I consider myself as both

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Interesting conversation. Never really thought about it.

In my eye a programmer is a very precise description of the job. As in a programmer will be working with the code itself.
A developer on the other hand can be either a individual person or an entire team. And when you talk about the developing team, then that also includes designers, scripters, modelers, programmers etc.

The very broadest definition of a developer is anyone that contributes to development of, well...something. That isn't a very useful description, but I've worked on development teams where everyone was considered a developer, not just engineers and programmers. For example, as a games developer I was more of a designer than anything else, rarely touched code, but still was sometimes referred to as a developer.

The strictest definition of developer I am comfortable with in other areas, such as web applications, is that "a developer writes code".

A more useful distinction for me is to understand was the difference between a hacker/coder and an engineer. Both have their place on a development team, and being called a "hacker" isn't necessarily a bad thing (now, a "hack" on the other hand...) but an engineer tends to be someone with an academic background in computer science and/or engineering, and tends to be concerned with the broader issues of the codebase (maintainability, extensibility, deployability, design etc.) where as a good hacker tends to just really know the ins and outs of specific codebases and programming languages and how to utilize, or exploit them.

Depending on the needs of the project, it is often wise to have at least one engineer in a lead role and hackers/coders doing the functional implementation.

The biggest difference is one charges more than the other, for doing the same jon

Let's break down words by definition

Program - The word has several meanings but this one fits the question best: "A set of coded instructions that enables a machine, especially a computer, to perform a desired sequence of operations."

Develop - The word has several meanings but this one fits the question best: "To come or bring to a later or more advanced or expanded stage."

A programmer is one who writes programs.

A developer is one who develops.

A programmer becomes a developer through the experience of programming. You cannot begin to understand how to bring something to an advanced stage until you've experienced how to write a program.

The definitions were found at thefreedictionary.com.

Developer creates programs from programs created by programmers.

But that depends on the point of view. For example:

• The one who created the core PHP language probably see themselves as programmers but they are also developers of low level languages or the ones they used to create the PHP language.
• The one who created Wordpress are developers of the PHP language but they are also programmers of Wordpress.
• The one who customizes Wordpress websites are developers of Wordpress but they are PHP programmers too.

A Programmer is a person who writes computer software. The term computer programmer can refer to a specialist in one area of computer programming or to a generalist who writes code for many kinds of software.
A Software Developer is a person concerned with facets of the software development process. Their work includes researching, designing, developing, and testing software. A software developer may take part in design, computer programming, or software project management.

I think both are same terms...

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You guys can argue techy lines drawn in the sand but what matters is defining it so the customer can understand what they need. It almost sounds like guys in an automotive garage arguing over if their a mechanic or a technician. A technician steam cleans the motor and works in a white robe and for this service so he doesn't get dirty... he charges more.

The customer doesn't care about titles. If you can't decide amonsts you what you are... the customer is in trouble.

So, who would I need a programmer or developer if I wanted:

A small calculator bundled in a nice neat package to either give away or sell. It had to look nice when the code/script opened on a webpage. The small spread sheet I would supply contains 4 variables down the right column that a customer could input information. I have 6 fixed numbers that never change across the top. A very simple calculator that can be run on any excel spread sheet.

Who Do I Need?

Do I need a graphic artists also to make a nice graphic?

seams there _must_ be a difference since the book description for "Javascript for PHP Developers" manages to get all 3 into its book description. (maybe just for safetys sake.)


http://www.amazon.com/dp/1449320198/

While a programmer must be an expert in a very narrow domain of the overall problem, a developer must have a solid understanding of both the depth and breadth of the problem.

If you can write php, you are a programmer. If you can integrate php, html, css, mysql and javascript into a solution, you are a developer. If you have an engineering degree in computer science and the developer skills, you are a software engineer. If you have a computer science degree and cannot write code, you are either a chip designer, a network analyst, or you bought your degree off the internet.

Programmers write awesome code. Making it clean, well-factored and error free are very important concerns, but not at the expense of getting the job done. It is all about knowing the meaning of "good code" within their domain. They need to have some math skills, but this is not a paramount concern.
They write code. Making it well-factored and clean is important, but other factors often take priority. Math skills are very much optional, but it does help to be aware of common problems and solutions related to the domain they are in. Communication and people skills are paramount.

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Assfseer i think what you are trying to say is that although programmers can write code, yet the optimization of code is another topic. And yes you are absolutely correct. Algorithm design and performance testing is something completely different to programming. Programmers are people with basic skills and know how to write code which works. To make the code optimized so that it runs in a fast time and uses up little memory, is an area of mathematical analysis which used induction, recursion, iteration and dynamic programming techniques to weigh up two possible solutions of the same problem.

This weighing up cannot be done unless mathematics is employed. However, in the context of this post i feel that both developers and programmers are pretty much the same thing. It is just that the domain of a developer will be slightly larger than a programmers. The latter is restricted to just writing code whereas the former can deal with some optimization issues as well.

i think there is no difference between them because both are doing same job and no one is above the second one.so don not be confuse.