Link Ascend, Boss PR and other link purchases on Warrior

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Hey guys,

I just found some threads in the Warrior Special Offers forums, for purchasing links from something called Link Ascend and Boss High PR Network.
The warriors in the threads seem ecstatic about the offers, which lets u buy a certain about of PR3-9 links.
Are these links good?
Anyone have experience with these?
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  • Profile picture of the author vistha82
    Well PR does not matter much these days.what matters is Domain Authority so check DA of blogs.Any help needed for manual SEO then check signature link.
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    • Profile picture of the author fashiononline
      Originally Posted by vistha82 View Post

      Well PR does not matter much these days.what matters is Domain Authority so check DA of blogs.Any help needed for manual SEO then check signature link.
      Thanks. They're claiming DA 20+.. is that good?
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Originally Posted by fashiononline View Post

    Hey guys,

    I just found some threads in the Warrior Special Offers forums, for purchasing links from something called Link Ascend and Boss High PR Network.
    The warriors in the threads seem ecstatic about the offers, which lets u buy a certain about of PR3-9 links.
    Are these links good?
    Anyone have experience with these?
    The links being sold in the WSO section are junk. Nothing I would point at a site I care about.

    And whether it is in the WSO section or elsewhere, anyone who advertises that they are selling PR 3-9 links or anything like that is a lying douchebag trying to take advantage of people. All they are selling is PR n/a and PR 0 links. A profile link on a domain where the homepage happens to be a PR 9 is not a PR 9 link.

    Nobody is selling PR 9 links. It's PAGErank, not DOMAINrank.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by fashiononline View Post

    Hey guys,

    I just found some threads in the Warrior Special Offers forums, for purchasing links from something called Link Ascend and Boss High PR Network.
    The warriors in the threads seem ecstatic about the offers, which lets u buy a certain about of PR3-9 links.
    Are these links good?
    Anyone have experience with these?
    Your not getting a PR9.

    Your getting a PRn/a - PR0 at best.

    Those link sellers are scammers, they advertise high PR links from domains, but domains don't have PR, pages have PR. The P in PR stands for Page not Domain.

    Anytime you see someone selling WSO links advertised for something high like a PR9, they're guaranteed to be a scammer. Something like a PR9 is very difficult to get & would cost thousands of dollars, even for a pro. doing SEO.
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    • Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Your not getting a PR9.

      Your getting a PRn/a - PR0 at best.

      Those link sellers are scammers, they advertise high PR links from domains, but domains don't have PR, pages have PR. The P in PR stands for Page not Domain.

      Anytime you see someone selling WSO links advertised for something high like a PR9, they're guaranteed to be a scammer. Something like a PR9 is very difficult to get & would cost thousands of dollars, even for a pro. doing SEO.
      Yukon is correct. The domain would be the only PR9. The link you get would more then likely be pr 0. False advertisement to say the least.... You see a lot of this stuff on fiverr aswell.
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  • Profile picture of the author mkgg
    I don't think this type of thread is fair to the WSO authors because they don't know it exists and can't defend themselves.

    Not all of the WSOs are junk and it depends on what you use them for. I was given a review copy for a private network that actually surprised me at how good the links were (talking about the majestic/ahrefs metrics not PR), maybe he just put me on the good sites for review copy or i don't know.

    Generally, stay away from the big popular threads because they are usually old and worked great years ago but not anymore....at least that has been my experience. Read the reviews posted in the thread, the more recent ones...they are not all fake especially from the older members here so you can get an idea.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by mkgg View Post

      I don't think this type of thread is fair to the WSO authors because they don't know it exists and can't defend themselves.

      Not all of the WSOs are junk and it depends on what you use them for. I was given a review copy for a private network that actually surprised me at how good the links were (talking about the majestic/ahrefs metrics not PR), maybe he just put me on the good sites for review copy or i don't know.

      Even junk can have some uses, but they don't advertise it that way and just tell you to go ahead and blast your money site with their service. If more of them said stuff like "Great for tier 2 and tier 3 links" in their sales pages, that would be different.

      And it takes a special type of dirtbag to advertise that they are selling PR 9 links in my opinion.

      And to be honest, most of the sellers would not attempt to defend their service in this section of the forum because they know they would get picked apart by people that know what they are talking about. They thrive in a section like the WSO section because they can grab customers who don't really know much about SEO with hype and false promises.

      It's the same thing with what you see at Fiverr. Heck, I bet a large percentage of what is sold in the WSO section for SEO services is just Fiverr gigs at 20-30 times the price.
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      • Profile picture of the author fashiononline
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        Even junk can have some uses, but they don't advertise it that way and just tell you to go ahead and blast your money site with their service. If more of them said stuff like "Great for tier 2 and tier 3 links" in their sales pages, that would be different.

        And it takes a special type of dirtbag to advertise that they are selling PR 9 links in my opinion.

        And to be honest, most of the sellers would not attempt to defend their service in this section of the forum because they know they would get picked apart by people that know what they are talking about. They thrive in a section like the WSO section because they can grab customers who don't really know much about SEO with hype and false promises.

        It's the same thing with what you see at Fiverr. Heck, I bet a large percentage of what is sold in the WSO section for SEO services is just Fiverr gigs at 20-30 times the price.
        I ended up trying one of the link packages, but now I regret it. The "articles" they wrote are poorly written, and the blogs themselves look obviously unnatural.
        Can these things end up getting my site penalised?
        It's just 10 links, but still, I'm quite nervous about it now..
        Considering asking them to delete the articles. It would be money wasted, but I'm nervous about the outcome..
        Any tips??
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      • Profile picture of the author SupplementTalk
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        Even junk can have some uses, but they don't advertise it that way and just tell you to go ahead and blast your money site with their service. If more of them said stuff like "Great for tier 2 and tier 3 links" in their sales pages, that would be different.

        And it takes a special type of dirtbag to advertise that they are selling PR 9 links in my opinion.

        And to be honest, most of the sellers would not attempt to defend their service in this section of the forum because they know they would get picked apart by people that know what they are talking about. They thrive in a section like the WSO section because they can grab customers who don't really know much about SEO with hype and false promises.

        It's the same thing with what you see at Fiverr. Heck, I bet a large percentage of what is sold in the WSO section for SEO services is just Fiverr gigs at 20-30 times the price.
        I agree. I would call this Fiverr/WSO Arbitrage! IF y ou want spammy low quality links, just head over to Fiverr and you will see thousands of sellers.

        Another red flag is that anyone that is selling these "high PR" links publically like on a forum with hundreds of sales is basically selling Public Blog Network links to you. This is what Google is after right now and I guarantee a large network like that will get discovered soon. I would focus on building your own small private blog network that is much more worth your investment and you will get much better results.
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        • Profile picture of the author adioking
          Finally a thread with some people that actually know what they're talking about! Where are all the expert SEO's chatting these days? My head is spinning with this 5-year old chatter about just loading up on links OMG.
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    • Profile picture of the author fashiononline
      Originally Posted by mkgg View Post

      I don't think this type of thread is fair to the WSO authors because they don't know it exists and can't defend themselves.
      There is no need for anyone to defend themselves as this is not meant as an attack on anyone.
      The "reviews" in the WSO threads seem incredibly biased, so that's why I thought I'd rather ask here, to get real opinions and maybe some factual insight.

      I did buy a small link package that everyone said was "surprisingly good" and "amazing work" etc, but when I received my report the texts and the websites the links were on look really bad. It would take 2 seconds for anyone to spot that these are not genuine blogs, and now i'm afraid google will know the same
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  • Profile picture of the author dreamtoreality
    Curiosity sparked my interest, so I contacted a member on another forum a few days ago about a service he offered for high pr links. It was something like 10 blog posts for $100 with a PR from 2-5 with good metrics. Sent a PM of course, asking a few questions, and to my surprise he said the links would fall to an inner page with no PR (it's true that PR is outdated though ) within 2 weeks. Grabbing 100 notes and setting fire to them would probably help my SEO just as much. What's even more surprising were the amazing reviews.

    Typically, if you want something done right, do it yourself. Or find a service that isn't being advertised on forums (there's literally one person I would trust enough to pay for SEO on this forum) and be willing to pay however much it costs for actual quality SEO.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by dreamtoreality View Post

      Curiosity sparked my interest, so I contacted a member on another forum a few days ago about a service he offered for high pr links. It was something like 10 blog posts for $100 with a PR from 2-5 with good metrics. Sent a PM of course, asking a few questions, and to my surprise he said the links would fall to an inner page with no PR (it's true that PR is outdated though ) within 2 weeks. Grabbing 100 notes and setting fire to them would probably help my SEO just as much. What's even more surprising were the amazing reviews.

      Typically, if you want something done right, do it yourself. Or find a service that isn't being advertised on forums (there's literally one person I would trust enough to pay for SEO on this forum) and be willing to pay however much it costs for actual quality SEO.
      Well this isn't exactly true.

      I have clients that buy 80 links per money site from me, of which only about 20 are permanent on the homepage and the rest roll off the homepage after about 2 weeks as well.

      To think that a link loses all it's juice when it's just 1 page away from the homepage is obvious ridiculous, everyone knows that. A good portion of the juice flows to the category pages where the links will remain for many more months to come.

      Heck I even know people selling PBN guides that suggest not to place all links on homepages alone but also as deep as 4 pages away from the homepage in silo structures and claiming that the results aren't that much difference. Sure they only have 1 OBL instead of many so that has to do with it as well of course but saying you could just as well burn your money cause a links rolls off the homepage makes no sense.

      As a matter of fact, the client that I mention here has a dozen sites with me and most of his main keywords are ranking in the top 2, top 3 and he's banking good from them and he's been a client for over a year already and spend more then $10k with me.

      Sure you can't expect wonders with 10 roll off posts, but if you mix it well with other links it definitely provides value, as he would have never ranked that high with only the 20 perm homepage links.

      As for the price of $10,- you got to be reasonable as well. You say it's a PR3-PR5 network, let's assume all is equal divided, a solid PR4 easily costs $250,-, let's say it comes with a 500 word article and 20 OBL. That would come down to a cost price of $12,50 + $5 for content = $17,50 so it's no surprise that your link won't be permanent on the homepage for $10,-. Heck even with a weaker PR4 domain that has been dropped and thus purchased for $69,- it would still be a losing business when you add hosting / advertising costs / content / network maintenance and what not.

      I ain't here to defend the quality of the sites, as everyone knows that a site hosting dozens of different topics looks highly unnatural so they would never survive a manual review but the links work and that's what counts most for the majority.

      When you buy links at a public network that is setup in a solid way you should expect to benefit from it for at least a year so treat it as long time churn & burn and you'll be fine.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Heck I even know people selling PBN guides that suggest not to place all links on homepages alone but also as deep as 4 pages away from the homepage in silo structures and claiming that the results aren't that much difference. Sure they only have 1 OBL instead of many so that has to do with it as well of course but saying you could just as well burn your money cause a links rolls off the homepage makes no sense.
        You must have read 2 "How to PBN" guides this week then. I read one this week that spoke about Silo's and internal page links too. But it was a totally different set up then the one you read I guess.

        The guide I read was created though, for someone coming into it from a non SEO background. So maybe it was written in a little less obvious terms. But coming from an SEO -BH- background, I could easily read between the lines and understand the real power of the concept being described. The method in this guide was more about the tried, tested and proven SEO ranking factors. Such as relevance, co-occurrence co-citation, PR sculpting, internal and external link tiering (Silo). Ranking pages, rank pages sort of idea, but in a very tightly controlled environment but with lazer targeted relevant links.

        If you have a good understanding of PR Vs Relevance, the course explained in detail how to mitigate the possible loss of PR or everything, by having your network de-indexed. Mitigate it in a way that harnesses the best of the rest ranking factors to their highest level.

        These same exploits that are still used to this day by almost every SEO. But in a disgustingly obvious way.

        Do you want to swap guides?
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

          You must have read 2 "How to PBN" guides this week then. I read one this week that spoke about Silo's and internal page links too. But it was a totally different set up then the one you read I guess.

          The guide I read was created though, for someone coming into it from a non SEO background. So maybe it was written in a little less obvious terms. But coming from an SEO -BH- background, I could easily read between the lines and understand the real power of the concept being described. The method in this guide was more about the tried, tested and proven SEO ranking factors. Such as relevance, co-occurrence co-citation, PR sculpting, internal and external link tiering (Silo). Ranking pages, rank pages sort of idea, but in a very tightly controlled environment but with lazer targeted relevant links.

          If you have a good understanding of PR Vs Relevance, the course explained in detail how to mitigate the possible loss of PR or everything, by having your network de-indexed. Mitigate it in a way that harnesses the best of the rest ranking factors to their highest level.

          These same exploits that are still used to this day by almost every SEO. But in a disgustingly obvious way.

          Do you want to swap guides?
          Blablabla nice words to explain the exact same, and woohooo what a concept with a few basic diagrams or graphs of whatever it's called.

          And yes the guide was definitely meant for complete noobs, at least we agree on that, thanks for wasting my money and sorry to GodOverYou for complaining to him first about it, confused you two.
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      • Profile picture of the author fashiononline
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        I ain't here to defend the quality of the sites, as everyone knows that a site hosting dozens of different topics looks highly unnatural so they would never survive a manual review but the links work and that's what counts most for the majority.
        Do manual reviews happen a lot?
        If it does, the links I bought will definitely go out the window. It would take anyone 2 seconds to realise this is BS, since very few blogs would post about electricians one day, fashion the next, insurance the day after, and then camping equipment
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by fashiononline View Post

          Do manual reviews happen a lot?
          If it does, the links I bought will definitely go out the window. It would take anyone 2 seconds to realise this is BS, since very few blogs would post about electricians one day, fashion the next, insurance the day after, and then camping equipment
          Manual reviews can be caused by 3 things afaik:

          - Google going after specific SEO hosts
          - Google attacking a large well known network (RankHero, BMR, ALN, High PR society)
          - Your site being reported by cmpetitors.

          In the latter case of being reported it turns out the reports are not always dealt with. I know this cause I would suspect my client sites to be reported quite a few times while I only lost a dozen domains in 2 years time that were hosted on shared hosting.

          So if you want to buy links I would first ask how the sites are hosted and I would also pick sellers with a smaller network of sites as those stay under the radar mostly. You would have to be very unlucky to pick a small seller and get busted big time. As an addition, you got to be aware that there are tons of small sellers out there where their network's consist of heavily spammed GSA domains and populated with spun content, which carries additional risks so for a complete newb it might be a bit like finding a needle in a haystack as most sellers are not very honest in what they offer. I tried 5 blackhatworld providers myself in the past and none was as advertised (unique written content / domains with natural backlink profiles).

          Take RankHero for example, a relative small network but promoted by some well known people and supported by very profitable live case studies. Google obvious doesn't like that, but Google accomplished their goal cause NichePursuits is now heavily advising against the use of PBN's all together.
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          • Profile picture of the author fashiononline
            Thanks, great insight!

            I'm focusing now on simply contacting relevant blogs and see if I can get some write-ups.
            I've got a few successes so far, so I guess that would be a better strategy then buying BS links from unrelated sites.
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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              Originally Posted by fashiononline View Post

              Thanks, great insight!

              I'm focusing now on simply contacting relevant blogs and see if I can get some write-ups.
              I've got a few successes so far, so I guess that would be a better strategy then buying BS links from unrelated sites.
              Sure is, just more time consuming but defintely worth it if it's a site you care about.

              Thing is that there are many niches where it's hard to get natural appearing links so then those BS links (which work very well or Google wouldn't be after them) are a decent solution.
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      • Profile picture of the author dreamtoreality
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Well this isn't exactly true.

        I have clients that buy 80 links per money site from me, of which only about 20 are permanent on the homepage and the rest roll off the homepage after about 2 weeks as well.

        To think that a link loses all it's juice when it's just 1 page away from the homepage is obvious ridiculous, everyone knows that. A good portion of the juice flows to the category pages where the links will remain for many more months to come.

        Heck I even know people selling PBN guides that suggest not to place all links on homepages alone but also as deep as 4 pages away from the homepage in silo structures and claiming that the results aren't that much difference. Sure they only have 1 OBL instead of many so that has to do with it as well of course but saying you could just as well burn your money cause a links rolls off the homepage makes no sense.

        As a matter of fact, the client that I mention here has a dozen sites with me and most of his main keywords are ranking in the top 2, top 3 and he's banking good from them and he's been a client for over a year already and spend more then $10k with me.

        Sure you can't expect wonders with 10 roll off posts, but if you mix it well with other links it definitely provides value, as he would have never ranked that high with only the 20 perm homepage links.

        As for the price of $10,- you got to be reasonable as well. You say it's a PR3-PR5 network, let's assume all is equal divided, a solid PR4 easily costs $250,-, let's say it comes with a 500 word article and 20 OBL. That would come down to a cost price of $12,50 + $5 for content = $17,50 so it's no surprise that your link won't be permanent on the homepage for $10,-. Heck even with a weaker PR4 domain that has been dropped and thus purchased for $69,- it would still be a losing business when you add hosting / advertising costs / content / network maintenance and what not.

        I ain't here to defend the quality of the sites, as everyone knows that a site hosting dozens of different topics looks highly unnatural so they would never survive a manual review but the links work and that's what counts most for the majority.

        When you buy links at a public network that is setup in a solid way you should expect to benefit from it for at least a year so treat it as long time churn & burn and you'll be fine.
        True but it's kind of scummy that some people advertise their services in that way. Without PMing them you wouldn't know what you were getting. If it says you get PR2-5 links, then say that only applies to the homepage for a couple of weeks and then they roll off. The links will probably get nested deeper and deeper as time goes by too with 20 obls on each page.

        Also, it sounds counterintuitive to some but the best way to buy links is if the seller doesn't send out any reports, no exceptions. You rarely find those services on forums though.
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  • Profile picture of the author fashiononline
    I ended up sending them an email asking them to delete the links I bought. Sucks that I wasted $90 on this, but it's better than taking a hit by google in the future!
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  • Profile picture of the author fashiononline
    haven't heard back from them, so I'm wondering if there's a way (maybe in WMT) to let google know that these links are crap and that I want them removed?
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