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What is silo site and what are the difference between sniper sites and silo sites?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Rogers
    Here's a quick rundown on silo site structure

    What is Website Silo Site Architecture?
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    • Profile picture of the author gnr991
      Originally Posted by John Rogers View Post

      Here's a quick rundown on silo site structure

      What is Website Silo Site Architecture?
      I must use this method to rank on Google ?
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      • Profile picture of the author godoveryou
        Originally Posted by gnr991 View Post

        I must use this method to rank on Google ?
        No. Most of the web isn't silo'ed tightly and still ranks well.

        What you must do is pick an internal link structure from the beginning, clearly define it and stick to it.

        Tight SILO's is one such structure. There's also Dual Plane SILO's, or even the "Hell Shit Wikipedia Link-Splatter" structure...

        Really, it seems like your question should be "What are the different types of internal link structures that I can use."
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by John Rogers View Post

          Here's a quick rundown on silo site structure
          I don't have anything against Jeffery, I read his blog years ago, he has a solid understanding of SEO.

          I don't agree that the average site should have link structure nested so deep like his example/image on that blog post. Home > Category > Page is more than sufficient for most sites.

          When you start adding unnecessary pages to the structure of a URL things start getting overly complicated with no extra value. Straying away from the page your trying to rank with deep nested internal links also dilutes the strength of the link.

          If the extra page structure is needed for traffic (maybe eCommerce site) fine, go for it, again really not needed for a typical site.




          Originally Posted by godoveryou View Post

          Really, it seems like your question should be "What are the different types of internal link structures that I can use."
          Agreed,
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          • Profile picture of the author Blaine Smitley
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post


            When you start adding unnecessary pages to the structure of a URL things start getting overly complicated with no extra value. Straying away from the page your trying to rank with deep nested internal links also dilutes the strength of the link.

            If the extra page structure is needed for traffic (maybe eCommerce site) fine, go for it, again really not needed for a typical site.

            Agreed,
            I need some clarification here. I think that I may be thinking about this the wrong way. Just adding topical pages into a silo does not drive the top category page up in rankings?

            Let me ask you this Yukon.

            For example say I have a silo site http ://fishing dotcom.

            With 5 categories one being http ://fishing dotcom/bluegill. And that this top level category page has 5 solid backlinks pointing at it.

            beyond that I've created 5 topical pages to support the main bluegill category page structured this way.

            http: //fishing dotcom/bluegill/topic1
            http //fishing dotcom/bluegill/topic2
            http: //fishing dotcom/bluegill/topic3
            http ://fishing dotcom/bluegill/topic4
            http: //fishing dotcom/bluegill/topic5

            And that these topical pages have no backlinks pointing to them.

            Now assume that this top category page http: //fishing dotcom/bluegill is optimized for the keyword phrase "Bluegill Fishing" and when this phrase is queried it comes up page 1 potion 6..

            Are you saying that if I add more topical pages to this category http:/ /fishing dotcom/bluegill that this will weaken the top level category page in the SERPS?

            In other words, the addition of 2 more topical pages will lower the power of the main category page? Because they're drawing link juice from the 5 back links to themselves thereby diluting the top category pages juice?

            I hope this made sense to you.
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            • Profile picture of the author yukon
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              Originally Posted by Blaine Smitley View Post

              I need some clarification here. I think that I may be thinking about this the wrong way. Just adding topical pages into a silo does not drive the top category page up in rankings?

              Let me ask you this Yukon.

              For example say I have a silo site http ://fishing dotcom.

              With 5 categories one being http ://fishing dotcom/bluegill. And that this top level category page has 5 solid backlinks pointing at it.

              beyond that I've created 5 topical pages to support the main bluegill category page structured this way.

              http: //fishing dotcom/bluegill/topic1
              http //fishing dotcom/bluegill/topic2
              http: //fishing dotcom/bluegill/topic3
              http ://fishing dotcom/bluegill/topic4
              http: //fishing dotcom/bluegill/topic5

              And that these topical pages have no backlinks pointing to them.

              Now assume that this top category page http: //fishing dotcom/bluegill is optimized for the keyword phrase "Bluegill Fishing" and when this phrase is queried it comes up page 1 potion 6..

              Are you saying that if I add more topical pages to this category http:/ /fishing dotcom/bluegill that this will weaken the top level category page in the SERPS?

              In other words, the addition of 2 more topical pages will lower the power of the main category page? Because they're drawing link juice from the 5 back links to themselves thereby diluting the top category pages juice?

              I hope this made sense to you.
              I think you've misunderstood my last comment.

              I was talking about deep nesting URLs, not about adding additional supporting pages.

              The further a link/page is away from the target page (page being ranked) the weaker the link will be.

              Example, If I'm trying to rank the bluegill page below & the bluegill page is nested at the 2nd level in the URL, I want my internal links to be only one page level away from the target page If possible.
              • domain.com/bluegill/topic3

              A weaker example would be a page/URL nested say for instance 5 levels deep where the supporting page link would be on the 5th page deep in the URL pointing at the 2nd page deep in the URL.
              • domain.com/bluegill/us/ohio/topic3

              Notice the last example URL (.../us/ohio/...) moves the supporting page further away from the target page that's trying to be ranked (ex: bluegill page).



              Good URL/nesting example:
              • domain.com
                • domain.com/bluegill
                  • domain.com/bluegill/supporting-page-1
                  • domain.com/bluegill/supporting-page-2
                  • domain.com/bluegill/supporting-page-3
                  • etc...







              Bad URL/nesting example:
              • domain.com
                • domain.com/bluegill
                  • domain.com/bluegill/us
                    • domain.com/bluegill/us/ohio
                      • domain.com/bluegill/us/ohio/supporting-page-1
                      • domain.com/bluegill/us/ohio/supporting-page-2
                      • domain.com/bluegill/us/ohio/supporting-page-3
                      • etc..


              Google has mentioned this on their blog & there's also a Google patent on the subject. I don't have time to dig up links on the subject but the info. is out there. The seobythesea.com blog probably also has info. on the subject.
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              • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
                Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                Good URL/nesting example:
                • domain.com
                  • domain.com/bluegill
                    • domain.com/bluegill/supporting-page-1
                    • domain.com/bluegill/supporting-page-2
                    • domain.com/bluegill/supporting-page-3
                    • etc...
                I agree completely with the main argument you made regarding depth of link structure, closer to the main source of link benefit (usually homepage) the better.

                1 click from home is better than 2 clicks which is better than 3 ...

                However I disagree with the URL structure I quoted above is a good one.

                Better is:

                domain.com
                domain.com/bluegill
                domain.com/bluegill-supporting-page-1
                domain.com/bluegill-supporting-page-2
                domain.com/bluegill-supporting-page-3
                etc...

                Because this doesn't lock you into a set folder structure and you can change "bluegill-supporting-page-1", "bluegill-supporting-page-2" to match the specific webpages SERPs.

                For example in the real world the best URLs for the three supporting pages could be:

                domain.com
                domain.com/bluegill
                domain.com/blue-gill-supporting-page-1
                domain.com/supporting-bluegill-page-2
                domain.com/supporting-page-about-bluegills-3
                etc...

                This is particularly true if you use a content management system like WordPress. If you aim for domain.com/bluegill/supporting-page-1 you either have to use Static Pages and Child Pages or add the category slug to the permalinks when trying to silo WordPress Posts.

                Using the structure I describe above you aren't limited to anything, any WordPress post, page, category, tag can be added to a silo link structure simply by linking the pages together.

                I find a lot of SEO's misunderstand the concept of silo SEO, they think the HTML files have to be physically located in the same directory which is quite funny when you consider most sites are dynamic now.

                Silo SEO is about the links, not the URLs/directory structure. It's a silo link structure, not a silo URL structure: I'm not aware of any SEO benefit having a lot of similar URLs? If they aren't linked together how are they part of the same silo??

                Yes the URL adds SEO relevance to a webpage, so two URLs with similar URLs will be more relevant, but if targeting bluegill SERPs it makes no difference if it's:

                domain.com/bluegill/supporting-page-1
                or
                domain.com/bluegill-supporting-page-1
                or
                domain.com/supporting-page-1/bluegill
                or
                domain.com/bluegill/supporting/page/1

                They are all equal URL wise, only difference is keyword proximity, if after a two word SERP like "Bluegill Supporting" URLs 1, 2 and 4 are identical and better proximity wise than number 3.

                And what about synonyms?

                Google for example considers SEO and Search Engine Optimization as the same thing. Having three webpages:

                domain.com/seo
                domain.com/seo-advice
                domain.com/search-engine-optimiztion-techniques

                Can be in the same silo link structure since they are all in the same niche (SEO). You really wouldn't want URLs like:

                domain.com/seo
                domain.com/seo/seo-advice
                domain.com/seo/search-engine-optimiztion-techniques

                If you can avoid it.

                If you think you need SEO in all three this works:

                domain.com/seo
                domain.com/seo-advice
                domain.com/seo-search-engine-optimiztion-techniques

                David
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                • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
                  Originally Posted by Stalliontheme View Post

                  domain.com/seo
                  domain.com/seo/seo-advice
                  domain.com/seo/search-engine-optimiztion-techniques
                  domain.com/seo/

                  domain.com/seo/advice-for-beginners
                  domain.com/seo/blackhat-optimization-techniques
                  domain.com/seo/intermediate guide
                  domain.com/seo/expert-guide

                  You get the point...
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                  • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
                    Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

                    domain.com/seo/

                    domain.com/seo/advice-for-beginners
                    domain.com/seo/blackhat-optimization-techniques
                    domain.com/seo/intermediate guide
                    domain.com/seo/expert-guide

                    You get the point...
                    No, didn't get any point at all?

                    David
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
    I have an overview of silo SEO link structures at SEO Silo Theme

    The WP theme I develop includes advanced options for building a silo link structure without messing around with creating extra pages or changing permalink structures.

    I'm hoping those into silo SEO link structures here have moved on from believing when using WordPress they need the category slug as part of the permalink structure.

    I use popular and recent posts widgets for example that will automatically create silo link structures.

    David
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by Stalliontheme View Post

      I'm hoping those into silo SEO link structures here have moved on from believing when using WordPress they need the category slug as part of the permalink structure.

      I use popular and recent posts widgets for example that will automatically create silo link structures.

      David
      Using something like recent/popular post defeats the whole point of a silo for SEO or traffic funnels. Those two things (recent/popular) are exactly the problem with typical Wordpress sites/blogs or any other major CMS.

      I don't mean to be offensive with this but you might want to look up the definition of a category (...things regarded as having particular shared characteristics). The whole point of a category is to group relevant things, which isn't going to happen on a site/blog running recent/popular post.

      To be honest it doesn't even matter what anyone calls the main page per each silo, it's still all about a parent/child relationship between the group of tightly themed webpages.

      Recent/popular post is mixing in irrelevant internal webpages & links that have nothing to do with the subject for each silo, it's a terrible thing to even consider when optimizing internal pages/links.

      Another reason to never use recent/popular post on a site/blog is because those types of plugins/code usually have limits on the amount of links being added to a webpage so the links are constantly rolling off each webpage which destroys any effort you've invested in ranking a webpage.

      Static links are far better than links that constantly change each time Googlebot crawls the pages of a website. When Google finds that previously crawled links are missing things start going downhill fast in the SERPs.

      Believe me when I say your not dealing with a newb on the subject of on-page SEO & site structure.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hemanth Malli
    Originally Posted by gnr991 View Post

    What is silo site and what are the difference between sniper sites and silo sites?
    Hi Gnr,

    There are great websites hidden from widespread search engine results (SERPs) exposure because they lack an organic search engine optimization strategy or their strategy does not include enough attention to clear subject relevance or siloing. In this document you will find a strategy for improving the clarity of a website's overall theme through siloing with the intent to improve keyword rankings.
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  • Profile picture of the author BritneaWilson
    Website silo architecture is the process of implementing a structure whereby each topic is housed in it’s own mini-site within the site and the internal linking pushes ranking factor back up to the primary / topic page otherwise dubbed the “silo landing page”.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEOWizard417
    Agree with Yukon, using things like recent posts and popular posts goes against the whole point of siloing. Much better off using static pages if possible, unless you need to manage 100s of pages on your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
    You are absolutely right with most WordPress themes adding popular and/or recent posts widgets completely defeats the whole point of trying to build a silo link structure.

    On your average WP theme:
    The popular posts widget will load the most popular posts sitewide.
    The recent posts widget will load the most recent posts sitewide.
    Actually most widgets with links (category widget for example) will add links sitewide.

    This will damage any silo link structures you have built.

    That's the point Yukon made and I'm in complete agreement.

    That's not how Stallion Responsive works.

    The popular and recent posts widgets (built using the Stallion SEO Posts widget: built into Stallion Responsive) I use have an option to only load posts from the same category (or a set of categories, most SEO feature rich widget you'll ever see).

    The way I use it depends on the site, I'm in the process of siloing a Free Funny Jokes (want to see the site search Google for White Jokes, normally number 3 in Google: warning: filled with racist jokes and comments). In the process of SEOing the content again (been years since I worked on it, needs some serious TLC) for better silo SEO and gone with a simple silo setup with the popular and recent posts widgets to only load the posts from the category a post is in. Which means as long as the posts added to a category are tightly niched the popular and recent posts widget automatically generates a silo link structure: basically setup two widgets and was done.

    On the home page (and some other pages) the widgets load posts from all categories (like most WP themes work).
    Go to a category and posts in that category and the widgets only load posts from that category, for example go to the Money Jokes category and you'll see jokes related to money/business. I'm still working on this site, I'll probably break the niches down further as I SEO more posts to even tighter niche the silos.

    Also have the site set to not load the category widget sitewide. The category widget (using the WP tagcloud loading categories) loads on the home page, on categories, tags, search, but not on WordPress posts. Means I get a decent amount of link benefit spread through the site via category links to posts, but on posts (where the main content I want ranked is) the category links are NOT loaded.

    So on the average WordPress post the vast majority of links out will use relevant anchor text to the posts content without completely limiting the flow of link benefit through the site. It works, that site ranks high for a fair number of high traffic SERPs (lots of racist joke SERPs: they are some of the most highest traffic joke SERPs).

    Have all this described at a Silo SEO Tutorial I wrote (search Google for Silo SEO Dave, 1st result) where you can also see the Popular Posts widget (left sidebar) loads the most popular posts from three related categories SEO Tutorial, WordPress SEO Tutorial and Yoast WordPress SEO tutorials (I picked three related cats, all related to SEO Tutorial) and the Recent Post Widget only loads the recent posts from that category the post is in.

    I also use comments to further silo individual posts. I've developed a feature which allows comments to be indexed in their own right and they are SEO'd (optimized title tag, H1 header, links in/out) and if used with SEO in mind can help target a set of SERPs vis the anchor text of the links to the indexed comments. If you look at the Silo posts comments there's links with anchor text "Over-Optimized Silo Structure", "Failed SILO SEO Experiment" etc... which are related to the SERPs targeted: for example one of the comments is ranked number 1 in Google for "Failed SILO SEO" (that's a comment indexed, not the main article). All adds to the main articles SEO, pretty cool set of SEO features to achieve this.

    The only links not siloed on the two sites are the top navigation menu links, plan to build a feature to choose a different nav menu for different sections of the site. the comments on the joke site also need better optimization, it's generated over 30,000 comments and users tend not to think SEO when writing them: ideally I'd make sure all the comments have an SEO'd comment title (theme SEO feature), even without this SEO the site ranks high for some hard SERPs.

    By using Stallion Responsive I can silo an entire site filled with thousands of WordPress posts in minutes. As long as the categories are tightly niched, the internal links will be tightly niched. Can you achieve better adding manual links, of course you can, but who has the time to manually add tens of thousands of links on huge sites?

    Not a newb to SEO either, been researching SEO for about 15 years, made a living as an SEO consultant for ~10 years (shut my SEO business down), now make a living from my own network of sites.

    David

    Maybe now we can get back to discussing silo SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Poly Hossain
    Silo is an SEO technique that create strong keyword related theme on your site, improving the relevancy of your site in the eyes of the search engines.
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