Just straight up buying links VS SEO

10 years ago

Originally Posted by PBMax

I'm going to buy links from PBN's and whatnot within the niche.

Be careful with that. If they are selling to a lot of people, it is anything but a private network and exponentially increases the chances it gets caught. Better off building your own or finding a very exclusive provider.

Originally Posted by PBMax

So, anyone else have a SEO strategy that is nothing but buying good links?

Directory links are a possibility. Paid, moderated directories. There are some niche specific directories too.

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PBMax

10 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Be careful with that. If they are selling to a lot of people, it is anything but a private network and exponentially increases the chances it gets caught. Better off building your own or finding a very exclusive provider.

I found a few with very low OBL and one where the guy hasn't let anyone else use it yet. I had my own about 2 years ago - 60+ blogs - but it seemingly stopped working because client rankings dropped off, some hugely.

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Directory links are a possibility. Paid, moderated directories. There are some niche specific directories too.

Interesting. Can you point me in the right direction?

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patco

10 years ago

Originally Posted by PBMax

IInteresting. Can you point me in the right direction?

Yahoo directory is a good backlink for example..

Also really be careful when buying those PBN's. You said they have low OBL's , but check everything double or even three times!

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MikeFriedman

10 years ago

Originally Posted by patco

Yahoo directory is a good backlink for example..

Also really be careful when buying those PBN's. You said they have low OBL's , but check everything double or even three times!

Yahoo Directory is shutting down you nincompoop.

I'm curious how many of you people actually practice half the nonsense you recommend to people. Jesus.

PBMax,

You can find good directories just be searching for them. You want ones that are heavily moderated. If they mention stuff like PR, links, etc, run.

BOTW, stpt.com, and JoeAnt are a few good ones to get started.

I prefer mostly paid directories with a few exceptions like Dmoz.

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PBMax

10 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

PBMax,

You can find good directories just be searching for them. You want ones that are heavily moderated. If they mention stuff like PR, links, etc, run.

BOTW, stpt.com, and JoeAnt are a few good ones to get started.

I prefer mostly paid directories with a few exceptions like Dmoz.

Thanks. Paid directories. Makes more sense now. And I've filled out the Dmoz forms before, but have never gone back to check if they got accepted. Is that site as much an authority that they used to be?

Plus, in other forums today, I'm reading the new move (perhaps the one we all should've been doing from the jump) is ON PAGE, ON PAGE, Interlinking, ON PAGE. I'm reading over and over again that getting the site running like a champ and then pumping out solid content non-stop that interlinks (via a link or two) to other pages on your site is the way to go.

Essentially, we need to be great bloggers now.

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MikeFriedman

10 years ago

Originally Posted by PBMax

Thanks. Paid directories. Makes more sense now. And I've filled out the Dmoz forms before, but have never gone back to check if they got accepted. Is that site as much an authority that they used to be?

Plus, in other forums today, I'm reading the new move (perhaps the one we all should've been doing from the jump) is ON PAGE, ON PAGE, Interlinking, ON PAGE. I'm reading over and over again that getting the site running like a champ and then pumping out solid content non-stop that interlinks (via a link or two) to other pages on your site is the way to go.

Essentially, we need to be great bloggers now.

I think proper site structure with good internal links is important. I don't think you have to pump out content constantly though. There are some niches where it makes sense to release more content. There are other niches where it makes zero sense.

Offpage SEO is still where most of the ranking power comes from. You will not rank with just a good site by itself. Not for anything the least bit competitive anyhow.

Dmoz is still good, but good luck getting in there.

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PBMax

10 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

I think proper site structure with good internal links is important. I don't think you have to pump out content constantly though. There are some niches where it makes sense to release more content. There are other niches where it makes zero sense.

Offpage SEO is still where most of the ranking power comes from. You will not rank with just a good site by itself. Not for anything the least bit competitive anyhow.

I know of some car dealership sites that rank top 3 for all KW because they have 1000s of pages that interlink. When a car is sold, the page doesn't get deleted. It remains a keyword-rich page with photos. When that idea is multiplied x 1000, that becomes A LOT of content for the bots to chew on.

Now I don't know 100% that this was why they ranked so well, but I can say the SEO efforts were next to zero.

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Papaly

9 years ago

Originally Posted by patco

Yahoo directory is a good backlink for example..

Also really be careful when buying those PBN's. You said they have low OBL's , but check everything double or even three times!

True but 300$ yearly and not to mention they will be closing down this year

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PBMax

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Papaly

True but 300$ yearly and not to mention they will be closing down this year

Didn't know Yahoo Directory was done this year so I signed up a couple sites today - for FREE. You have two options: the fast lane (paid) or the slow, but sure, lane (free.)

Guess it's a moot point though.

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Michael Nguyen

9 years ago

Originally Posted by PBMax

Didn't know Yahoo Directory was done this year so I signed up a couple sites today - for FREE. You have two options: the fast lane (paid) or the slow, but sure, lane (free.)

Guess it's a moot point though.

IMO the best links come from sites where its not even advertising the link. Strong link building comes from making contact with webmasters emailing/phone to get the link. Takes us about 111-14 from initial contact to get a good link live.

You obviously need your own metrics to decide what a link is worth.

Just recently, I manged to get a property link on a site that has been going since:

1998 or more,
PR5 website (loose metric but helps)
Referring domain count: North of 10KDA 76
Relevant and related to the niche

Best of all, there was no charge for it, we had to supply the article and up it went. We owe 2 more.Im telling you, the best forms of link building is straight buying it with manual research or viral marketing. Good link building takes effort and too many people are trying to short cut it with crap fiverr, xrummer, etc.

Been there done that, learn from my mistakes.

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altesino

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Nguyen

IMO the best links come from sites where its not even advertising the link. Strong link building comes from making contact with webmasters emailing/phone to get the link. Takes us about 111-14 from initial contact to get a good link live.

I definitely agree with this but how long did it take" "111-14?" That's not on my clock.

I often find people saying this is easy and focus on just the single successful link. What about the day you contact 30 to 50 people and get no responses. Or the times you get jerked around as they start removing links or suddenly think their PR3/DA32 blog is the NYTimes and put you through 3 revisions.

Thankfully there are tons of great website owners out there but when you factor in these bumps I'd guest: finding, contacting, providing content, etc successfully can easily average 3 to 6 hours per link. (This is why of course you outsource this if you need scale)

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PBMax

9 years ago

Originally Posted by altesino

I definitely agree with this but how long did it take" "111-14?" That's not on my clock.

Nice!

Originally Posted by altesino

I often find people saying this is easy and focus on just the single successful link. What about the day you contact 30 to 50 people and get no responses. Or the times you get jerked around as they start removing links or suddenly think their PR3/DA32 blog is the NYTimes and put you through 3 revisions.

Thankfully there are tons of great website owners out there but when you factor in these bumps I'd guest: finding, contacting, providing content, etc successfully can easily average 3 to 6 hours per link. (This is why of course you outsource this if you need scale)

Blog commenting (which is still viable if done in the same niche as your client) works for brand awareness and links, which can easily been done through a search to find commentable blogs. ~5 comments/links an hour, and probably 2 will pass through moderation, or moreso if the comments are golden.

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altesino

9 years ago

PBM - Just to be clear. I was talking about guest posting and not blog commenting. Guest posting is writing fully flushed out article that provides pretty in depth knowledge on a topic. Blog commenting is probably more harm than help and is really just a volume backlink number people like to put under their SEO pillow at night.

I'd take one link from a GP on a good site over 1000 blog comment links. This is true for SEO and click through traffic. If you write a good guest post which teaches the reader something on another blog, they are very likely to check you out, read several pages, and opt-in if you ask. All of these metrics are 3 or 4 times higher for me compared to google search traffic.

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PBMax

9 years ago

Originally Posted by altesino

PBM - Just to be clear. I was talking about guest posting and not blog commenting. Guest posting is writing fully flushed out article that provides pretty in depth knowledge on a topic. Blog commenting is probably more harm than help and is really just a volume backlink number people like to put under their SEO pillow at night.

I'd take one link from a GP on a good site over 1000 blog comment links. This is true for SEO and click through traffic. If you write a good guest post which teaches the reader something on another blog, they are very likely to check you out, read several pages, and opt-in if you ask. All of these metrics are 3 or 4 times higher for me compared to google search traffic.

I intend on getting some solid articles on someone's popular blog as a guest post at some point, but the commenting is here and there and simply creates awareness through humorous and/or insightful replies to the post.

As I said in my OP, my main strategy lay elsewhere. That said....

Anyone know of any great health blogs offering guest posting slots?

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  New here, but I definitely agree with this...
  
  Yea, this is good info. Discernment is key here and everywhere else. I've found a few serious diamonds in the rough though. Just keep looking and digging.
  
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a2hosting

10 years ago

I'm sure you're well aware that link building is rough now because everything seems to be on lockdown, especially buying links. A strategy completely consisting of buying links? That's extremely scary to me.

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PBMax

10 years ago

Originally Posted by a2hosting

I'm sure you're well aware that link building is rough now because everything seems to be on lockdown, especially buying links. A strategy completely consisting of buying links? That's extremely scary to me.

True. Link building, at least for me, has always been an uphill battle in the snow with icy streets and I'm carrying a 150-lb pack.

If blog comments, forum comments, social bookmarks, blogrolls, guest posts, etc are ALL bad, what's left?

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npoint

10 years ago

Buying links is bit risky, one alghoritm change can burn your business. It`s better to build your private one "network" of sites, it`s cheaper and works long term if done right way.

Each public network which sells the backlinks earlier or later get penalized together with all their clients, it is happening all the time. You should answer yourself what you expect by buying backlinks, if you expect fast results ,churn&burn it`s ok, but if you look for long time results it`s not the way to go in my opinion.

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johnben1444

10 years ago

Automated software for backlink is purely a waste of time.

Your clients needs to know that SEO is no longer a game of numbers but QUALITY.

I wouldn't suggest using blog comment because it's difficult to control the OBL though if you find good ones it's definitely going to be worthwhile.

If you are going to be using PBN you need to know how to fish out the right domains and setting it up properly otherwise it could be a death trap.

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PBMax

10 years ago

Originally Posted by johnben1444

Automated software for backlink is purely a waste of time.

Your clients needs to know that SEO is no longer a game of numbers but QUALITY.

I wouldn't suggest using blog comment because it's difficult to control the OBL though if you find good ones it's definitely going to be worthwhile.

If you are going to be using PBN you need to know how to fish out the right domains and setting it up properly otherwise it could be a death trap.

Building a proper PBN - or PSN - is expensive and crazy time-consuming. Even then, you may have a few cracks in the walls that makes the whole place crumble before you know it.

Short of hacking Google and literally manipulating their SERPs, what do you suggest?

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MikeFriedman

10 years ago

Originally Posted by PBMax

Building a proper PBN - or PSN - is expensive and crazy time-consuming. Even then, you may have a few cracks in the walls that makes the whole place crumble before you know it.

It may not be as expensive as you think. Depends what you are targeting really.

You certainly can see sites getting de-indexed, but it is harder for that to happen than you think. If you setup good sites from the beginning, you will be fine.

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johnben1444

9 years ago

Originally Posted by PBMax

Building a proper PBN - or PSN - is expensive and crazy time-consuming. Even then, you may have a few cracks in the walls that makes the whole place crumble before you know it.

No doubt a good PBN cost money and time but the chances of having crack in the wall is close to none if you hire the right firm/individual or rather learn the dos and don'ts.

The most dangerous part of building a PBN is when it's shared, report given, consistently repeating IPs or using SEO host, using one form of website builder, copied content among a few others. If you do this right you won't have any problem with PBN.

Short of hacking Google and literally manipulating their SERPs, what do you suggest?

At this point i recommend you quit SEO.
Google doesn't want you to lift a finger to backlink your site otherwise you will be gaming their algo which they greatly frown upon.

If you care to analyze the sites on the first page of Google for competitive term you will notice they all have backlinks linking to them. Where they naturally gotten? Hell NO!!

If you are tired or scared of SEO here are some sources of traffic for you - http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ffic-tips.html.

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PBMax

9 years ago

Originally Posted by johnben1444

No doubt a good PBN cost money and time but the chances of having crack in the wall is close to none if you hire the right firm/individual or rather learn the dos and don'ts.

Which is exactly what I'm doing.

Originally Posted by johnben1444

The most dangerous part of building a PBN is when it's shared, report given, consistently repeating IPs or using SEO host, using one form of website builder, copied content among a few others. If you do this right you won't have any problem with PBN.

Duplicate blogs across a group of blogs is not a network, it's mirrored sites.

Originally Posted by johnben1444

At this point i recommend you quit SEO.

Lol...wut???

Originally Posted by johnben1444

Google doesn't want you to lift a finger to backlink your site otherwise you will be gaming their algo which they greatly frown upon.

You say this, but then you say...

Originally Posted by johnben1444

If you care to analyze the sites on the first page of Google for competitive term you will notice they all have backlinks linking to them. Where they naturally gotten? Hell NO!!

...so which is it?

Originally Posted by johnben1444

If you are tired or scared of SEO...

You pulled this one out of thin air. Congrats?

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johnben1444 9 years ago

Originally Posted by PBMax

At this point i recommend you quit SEO.

Yeah, because you are being jittery.
You may want to check out other traffic alternative at your disposal, SEO is not the only way to go. If you have funds you can get your feet wet in PPC, Social media & YouTube.

Short of hacking Google and literally manipulating their SERPs, what do you suggest?

Well in response to this question i decided to let you know the truth.

Google doesn't want you to lift a finger to backlink your site otherwise you will be gaming their algo which they greatly frown upon.

That's it.
Most people know these, some people don't care.

If you analyze the sites on the top 10 of Google for lucrative keywords you will see they all have backlinks to help their rankings. Ofcourse, they manipulated it not all are natural.

You are the CEO of your company, the decision you take is what make or mar your business.

Good luck..
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  Originally Posted by johnben1444
  
  If you have funds you can get your feet wet in PPC, Social media & YouTube.
  
  Social media, okay. Facebook is terrific at driving traffic. Twitter is decent, although all you really need to do is autopost from FB.
  
  Google Plus is a desert. Yes, the +1's gained from other people help you in their personalized SERPs, but other than that the social platform is a huge miss. The maps aspect is the only real factor it has going for it.
  
  YouTube is worthless unless your product necessitates a video. Many do not.
  
  I'm not jittery. I'm a realist.
  
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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

I've never met an SEO who didn't buy links in some shape or form so, I find it hard putting them Vs each other to begin with.

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PBMax

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

I've never met an SEO who didn't buy links in some shape or form so, I find it hard putting them Vs each other to begin with.

Well, nice to meet ya then. I mean instead of busting my butt trying to build links like the Great Wall of China, I just buy them as an instant end-around.

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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Originally Posted by PBMax

Well, nice to meet ya then. I mean instead of busting my butt trying to build links like the Great Wall of China, I just buy them as an instant end-around.

No, that's not how the world works. And I apologize if I begin to sound condescending.

There is a huge amount of work that goes into "buying links".

If there was no skills, edges, manipulations, etc... There would be no value in the commodity, that is PR.

I think you may be confusing the term "buying" with "renting links". They are very different altogether. Buying links in my mind equates to, buying domains and websites with existing online assets (PageRank) which I see potential in. Taking full ownership and control of that link.

Renting is, buying SEO products on forums and search from "Link renters" PBN". If your so called SEO agency, Guru or Pro is renting you rented links like this.

FIRE THEM!!!

They CATFISHING

There is nothing instant or easy about buying links or SEO.

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PBMax

10 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

No, that's not how the world works. And I apologize if I begin to sound condescending.

There is a huge amount of work that goes into "buying links".

If there was no skills, edges, manipulations, etc... There would be no value in the commodity, that is PR.

I think you may be confusing the term "buying" with "renting links". They are very different altogether. Buying links in my mind equates to, buying domains and websites with existing online assets (PageRank) which I see potential in. Taking full ownership and control of that link.

Renting is, buying SEO products on forums and search from "Link renters" PBN". If your so called SEO agency, Guru or Pro is renting you rented links like this.

FIRE THEM!!!

They CATFISHING

There is nothing instant or easy about buying links or SEO.

Yea, I guess I mean renting links - and I don't see the harm if they are solid, industry-related sites (which makes sense) and have low OBL (more juice flow.)

I don't equate buying links to PBN, but I've had those in the passed, but unless you do have months to baby those things into solid contenders, renting space on someone else's is just smart business.

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Kevin Maguire

10 years ago

Originally Posted by PBMax

Yea, I guess I mean renting links - and I don't see the harm if they are solid, industry-related sites (which makes sense) and have low OBL (more juice flow.)

I don't equate buying links to PBN, but I've had those in the passed, but unless you do have months to baby those things into solid contenders, renting space on someone else's is just smart business.

Some people are really good at it.

The key to it is, being able to locate the assets (Domains) that are best priced for optimum ROI. Most professionals have a system in place to create/rebuild the online presence after acquiring the domain. Some are more adept at this then others.

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PBMax

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

Some people are really good at it.

The key to it is, being able to locate the assets (Domains) that are best priced for optimum ROI. Most professionals have a system in place to create/rebuild the online presence after acquiring the domain. Some are more adept at this then others.

I'm banking on the people I choose to rent from to be great. I don't have the time to build a site empire, but I am toying with a small 10-site thing for myself - which won't be ready for some time.

I'm certainly not going into this without due diligence or vetting my options.

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Michael Nguyen

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

Some people are really good at it.

The key to it is, being able to locate the assets (Domains) that are best priced for optimum ROI. Most professionals have a system in place to create/rebuild the online presence after acquiring the domain. Some are more adept at this then others.

Kevin, you wrote the below to me earlier this year, has your stance changed?

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

No matter what the niche. Buying links is for loser's who can't create authentic content, that people actually find interesting.

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Kevin Maguire 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Michael Nguyen

Kevin, you wrote the below to me earlier this year, has your stance changed?

Sense the "tone".

I say a lot of funny things like.

http://www.warriorforum.com/search-e...ml#post8897423

oh this was funny

http://www.warriorforum.com/search-e...ml#post8915665

oh and

http://www.warriorforum.com/search-e...ml#post8917711

Depends on what I have ingested into my body prior to opening my WF bookmark for the evening.

Next week could be pink Google Tigers.

Be warned,

I'm a little bit CRAAAAAZY....
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ibugu

9 years ago

Buying links is counter-productive.
Google is hunting them down.

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PBMax 9 years ago

Originally Posted by ibugu

Buying links is counter-productive.
Google is hunting them down.

Besides sites like these announcing it, how does Google know what link is bought versus what is given/earned/etc?

Google is a lot of things, however clairvoyant isn't one of them.
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redacris

9 years ago

I suggest Directory links are Effective

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PBMax 9 years ago

Originally Posted by redacris

I suggest Directory links are Effective

Suggestions as to what links?
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wistechdxb

9 years ago

Actually buying links is not really expensive. But the good thing is to strategize everything i mean do Off-page SEO with a polished strategy.

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PBMax 9 years ago

Originally Posted by wistechdxb

Actually buying links is not really expensive. But the good thing is to strategize everything i mean do Off-page SEO with a polished strategy.

Yea, the ones I've found are crazy expensive so it's a good idea in my opinion.
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Lyanna

9 years ago

Blogger outreach. It's 100 percent legit, lots of big and small business do them, and it works.

Just find influential bloggers in your niche, offer them a really sweet deal by giving them your product or service for free in exchange for a review. Or offer your product to them that they can use in a giveaway. Or hold a real life blogger event.

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PBMax

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Lyanna

Blogger outreach. It's 100 percent legit, lots of big and small business do them, and it works.

Just find influential bloggers in your niche, offer them a really sweet deal by giving them your product or service for free in exchange for a review. Or offer your product to them that they can use in a giveaway. Or hold a real life blogger event.

Great for restaurants and widget sales, but how can this be implemented for medical professionals? Can't give that service away.

But, I like where your head's at!

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altesino

9 years ago

You can offer your knowledge in the health related niche. It still can be a lot of hustle (or paying for access) but there's lots of good health related sites that would post an original piece of informative content.

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PBMax

9 years ago

Originally Posted by altesino

You can offer your knowledge in the health related niche. It still can be a lot of hustle (or paying for access) but there's lots of good health related sites that would post an original piece of informative content.

Medical papers have to be done by specialists and/or doctors or there can be serious implications, hence, I have specialists write my posts - I'm the marketing guy.

But, guest posting is an idea, but I remember hearing that it's recently been a Google no-no.

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altesino

9 years ago

Originally Posted by PBMax

Medical papers have to be done by specialists and/or doctors or there can be serious implications, hence, I have specialists write my posts - I'm the marketing guy.

But, guest posting is an idea, but I remember hearing that it's recently been a Google no-no.

Google has and will continue to hit anything that is abused. They hit places like myguestpost which very openly sold guest posts for the stated purpose of SEO.

If a GP is adding value and is relevant then it's really at very low risk. Your niche is a great example. Medical information provided by qualified professionals is VERY far from the crap being posted on myguestpost and what Matt's team is looking to destroy.

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Lyanna

9 years ago

Originally Posted by PBMax

Great for restaurants and widget sales, but how can this be implemented for medical professionals? Can't give that service away.

But, I like where your head's at!

Then sponsor a local charity or event like this one - Savannah 2014

It's very legit but it depends on whether they have a good budget for that sort of thing.

Also, press releases. It's super easy.

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Just straight up buying links VS SEO

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