Article Marketing Automation vs. Linkvana vs. My Article Network?

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It seems that there are a few of these automatic one-way link building networks out there.

The kind where you write a blog post, punch in your links, and then upload it to the system at which point it is published on the blogs of the various members of the network. They get content and you get backlinks. Win-win.

I've used Article Marking Automation (AMA) ($47 p/month) for this for a while and it went alright. Now I see others talking about My Article Network ($47 p/month) and Linkvana ($147 p/month!).

My worry about these sites has always been that the price would suppress participation. Less content submitted because of the cost means less value to the network's blog owners which means fewer of them will be setup for distribution and all that.

Can anyone vouch for any of these services and give some guide as to which is better? Will Linkvana give you 3x the results for 3x the cost of the other two?
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  • Profile picture of the author seolake
    AMA and MAN are same. And, I really have no feedback on LV.
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  • Profile picture of the author UBotBuddy
    You can't mention any of those without also mentioning 1waylinks. Absolutely the best!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author The Expert
      What about FreeTrafficSystem.com? They're another one of these blog networks.

      I wish I was loaded. I'd just use them all.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Koltai
    I haven't used AMA/MAN yet, but it is on my list. Right now the majority of my linkbuilding efforts are coming from Linkvana and Unique Article Wizard, and if you have the money to shell out, I'd say they are both more than worth the price of admission.

    With both of them, I have noticed a direct correlation between my links getting indexed and my traffic / SERPs. For a few sites I've been using Linkvana alone, and it's moved me several pages forward for some decently competitive keywords.

    The downside to both of them, aside from the price, is how much writing you have to do. With Linkvana, each post only goes out to one blog, which means that you're writing 100 words for every single link you get. It doesn't sound like much until you account for doing 1 link per day for 20-30 keywords, so between 2 and 3 thousand words of writing before you even touch article marketing or site content.

    Don't get me wrong, it's worth the work, but I'm very glad that I'm approaching the stage where I'll have the extra cashflow to outsource my writing, because at the tender age of 24, I'm already feeling carpal tunnel syndrome creeping in...
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    • Profile picture of the author halfpoint
      Linkvana isn't a network of blog owners. The guys who run Linkvana own all of the blogs and they build more every week.

      I've also heard people outsourcing the 100 word blog posts very, very cheaply.

      I don't use Linkvana currently but it's on my "to buy" list, as I've heard a lot of good things about it.
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    I have used AMA and linkvana, let me share my experience.

    AMA - Cheap and nice service, I think myarticlenetwork is identical to this. First of all, don't expect to see result quickly, you need to continuously build a lot of articles to it, and it will syndicate to all the blogs, however, this takes time. May be 2 to 3 months down the road you will start to notice more obvious result, at the meantime, just keep sending in articles.

    Linkvana - More link juice! You can achieve 3 times better result. However, it cost you time or outsourcing money to acquire enough links to rank well.

    I stopped this service 1 month ago, just because I can't seems to acquire the link fast enough!

    I don't care what people say about building links slowly, because if your site is 1 month old, you can have as many authority links (PR 4 and above) to your site without any problem!! At least getting 200 links a day is fine!

    Another service similar to Linkvana called backlinks solution, which allow spinned articles, and I appreciate that!

    However, this service has small network of blogs, around 200+?? The link power just not enough for more competitive keywords.

    My conclusion
    Get as many high authority links you can get - Angela & Paul package is a start, and you might want to get AMA or Linkvana as well, but you should be prepared to get more articles into these network!
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    • Profile picture of the author Axeman63
      Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

      I have used AMA and linkvana, let me share my experience.

      AMA - Cheap and nice service, I think myarticlenetwork is identical to this. First of all, don't expect to see result quickly, you need to continuously build a lot of articles to it, and it will syndicate to all the blogs, however, this takes time. May be 2 to 3 months down the road you will start to notice more obvious result, at the meantime, just keep sending in articles.
      Hi

      That's an interesting comment about lead time and I don't understand why it would take 2-3 months to see links come back.

      I add content from AMA to one of my blogs and it's up with the link in and found by google within a day or two.

      I did a spun article that has been published 26 times over a few weeks and not one backlink has surfaced. Are they so bad they get deleted immediately LOL?

      Mike
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      • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
        Originally Posted by Axeman63 View Post

        Hi

        That's an interesting comment about lead time and I don't understand why it would take 2-3 months to see links come back.

        I add content from AMA to one of my blogs and it's up with the link in and found by google within a day or two.

        I did a spun article that has been published 26 times over a few weeks and not one backlink has surfaced. Are they so bad they get deleted immediately LOL?

        Mike

        What I mean is you won't see result with instantly getting 2 or 3 links a day, not for a month because the link power is very low ....

        Linkvana will show result faster with less links, may be a month or so!

        But the best is Angela, Paul or Backlinks Goldmine, you can see result in weeks!

        Try for yourself - or get my backlink package, see my signature.
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    • Profile picture of the author BlackVoid
      Thank you well written that shows my experience with LV as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author adam westrop
    AMA and Myarticlenetwork are the same thing.

    I have experienced terrible results and asked for a refund and still no response....
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    • Profile picture of the author dmderoeck
      Can't speak to Linkvana or My Article Network. But Article Marketing Automation is an excellent service for long-term back links. I agree with one of the comments that AMA should not be used for short-term results however. In order for AMA to work effectively, you must be in it for the long haul.

      You do need to consistently add articles. My system is one of posting my articles to AMA after first getting indexed on my site. If I need to target a competitive keyword that my site will not or cannot get to the 1st page of G, I will post it first to my site, then EZA, then AMA in that order. This works very effectively of getting the most syndication for your money.

      Dan
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      • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
        No love ...

        Lots of talk on both of these in the Reviews Forum

        My conclusion
        Get as many high authority links you can get - Angela & Paul package is a start, and you might want to get AMA or Linkvana as well, but you should be prepared to get more articles into these network!
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        • Profile picture of the author Axeman63
          Dan

          I'm glad it's working for you and yes it's a great idea to whack your seed article on EZA first to get maximum mileage out of your article then maybe take the spun AMA article over to a directory submission service as well.

          Still don't understand the 'it's a long term' thing. Are you saying it takes more than a month to see even one backlink from your submissions via AMA/MAN? I can't see why it would.
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          • Profile picture of the author dmderoeck
            Originally Posted by Axeman63 View Post

            Dan

            I'm glad it's working for you and yes it's a great idea to whack your seed article on EZA first to get maximum mileage out of your article then maybe take the spun AMA article over to a directory submission service as well.

            Still don't understand the 'it's a long term' thing. Are you saying it takes more than a month to see even one backlink from your submissions via AMA/MAN? I can't see why it would.
            Most definitely. You most likely won't see short term results using Article Marketing Automation, nor is it meant to be. AMA uses the "drip method" of syndicating your content. You won't see a flood of traffic nor a flood of links coming into your site, because of this slow release.

            It's meant to be, at least in my opinion, a method of steadily gaining back links and trickles of traffic. But nevertheless, it's very effective method.

            Dan
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            • Profile picture of the author Splinter
              So what kind of time frame does it take for your article backlinks to start showing up?
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              • Profile picture of the author Axeman63
                Hi

                I know what you're saying I sort of meant nothing at all over weeks.

                I have now had a reply from AMA (apparently their support person was ill) I checked some of the spun sentences and can find two articles out of 28.

                Market Samurai doesn't show any links from any anticle and this is three weeks on.

                1-2 links per day would be dandy, I wasn't after 200 links in one hit.

                Anyways, looks like there is at least some point in continuing writing articles within AMA/MAN but I think their system leads to distrust through lack of transparency.
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  • Profile picture of the author iblbuilder
    The trouble with automated services is that they often have network footprints that Google can track. They also cost quite a lot comparitive to results, and are definitely a "win all or lose all" link strategy. Believe me I know, my team spent three months researching linkbuilding while developing our site to be a system that works within Googles TOS, while still using a degree of automation.
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    • Profile picture of the author freetraff
      Originally Posted by iblbuilder View Post

      The trouble with automated services is that they often have network footprints that Google can track. They also cost quite a lot comparitive to results, and are definitely a "win all or lose all" link strategy. Believe me I know, my team spent three months researching linkbuilding while developing our site to be a system that works within Googles TOS, while still using a degree of automation.
      Can you please be more specific about what exactly footprints can these systems leave and, in particular, Free Traffic System.

      I am asking that because I am one of the people behind Free Traffic System, and I wonder how on earth you can try finding at least one footprint that our system is leaving.

      I am not bullying you; in case you manage to find at least something - that would be awesome help. But I really doubt you can find any sort of footprints left by Free Traffic System.
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    Basically, I think any kind of "link building" is against Google TOS.

    However, Google don't really cares... as long as the result is useful and giving value to their searcher.

    When Google finds many low quality and "useless" sites showing up on first page, they will start to review their algorithm to provide, better, more value result.

    So, the best SEO is pure white hat - using link bait to attract links instead of manually building it!!
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  • Profile picture of the author Richard Kent
    And what about Seo Nuke? Is it so powerful?
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  • Profile picture of the author flaminjo
    okay! my apologies for going a little offtrack, i would like you guys to give your opinion on AMA and MAN (myarticlenetwork).. are these both same, i have tried the trial version of MAN (myarticlenetwork) and AMA.. both look same. in what ways they are different? as both of them cost same, which one is better?
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    • Profile picture of the author The Expert
      freetraff - Google can find these networks if it wants to. Look what happened to BacklinkSolutions original network. Taken down in one fell swoop. I dunno how the network was rooted out, but it was. My guess is that they didn't think their's was traceable either at the time.

      flaminjo - AMA and MAN are the same network. Don't join both because you'll be distribution to the same sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author freetraff
        Originally Posted by The Expert View Post

        freetraff - Google can find these networks if it wants to. Look what happened to BacklinkSolutions original network. Taken down in one fell swoop. I dunno how the network was rooted out, but it was. My guess is that they didn't think their's was traceable either at the time.

        flaminjo - AMA and MAN are the same network. Don't join both because you'll be distribution to the same sites.
        The point is that posts are sent via XML-RPC and they are just like the posts that you are doing on the blog. You will not know that this is a blog added to FTS or not - if we don't tell you.

        Surely if there is some sort of plugin installed on all blogs, or blogs are just 100 domains with 100 subdomains each and then we boast of "10,000 blogs in the net" - then it is easy to catch.

        But if we are talking thousands of blogs, from all over the world, different IPs, domain owners are different, no plugins, no backlinks back to the "mama" site - then this is how all other blogs in the net look.
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      • Profile picture of the author patlondon
        Originally Posted by The Expert View Post

        freetraff - Google can find these networks if it wants to. Look what happened to BacklinkSolutions original network. Taken down in one fell swoop. I dunno how the network was rooted out, but it was. My guess is that they didn't think their's was traceable either at the time.

        flaminjo - AMA and MAN are the same network. Don't join both because you'll be distribution to the same sites.

        I don't see why Google would have a problem with networks like AMA, Traffic Kahuna, Free Traffic Systems and such..

        So they form a network of blog owners who publish content contributed by members..what's wrong with this..?

        I would say that the 3 way linking services are built on somewhat shakier ground because they just link from site to site with no content..

        Yes it seems to work for now. I belong to several of these services too...but the fact is you just don't know how long that's going to last...where if you have your content on huge numbers of blogs that's got to be a better long term approach.
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      • Profile picture of the author carlos123
        Originally Posted by The Expert View Post

        freetraff - Google can find these networks if it wants to. Look what happened to BacklinkSolutions original network. Taken down in one fell swoop. I dunno how the network was rooted out, but it was.
        Hmm...anybody ever ever consider that a Google low level employee is charged with hanging out on forums like this one and being given the heads up through their reading to all the link network and otherwise being mentioned here?

        Who needs fancy algorithm changes to find these networks. Just put on the hat of an internet marketer and hang out in places like Warrior Forum LOL. Even become a member of these "hidden" link networks and be given all the details about what they do on silver platter.

        Pretty simple really.

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  • Profile picture of the author Ehsan_am
    I'm a member of AMA and the whole PGB site. I agree with most of what people said about AMA here. AMA wasn't made for short term results. The fact that you don't see backlinks quickly has nothing to do with AMA. It's just that backlink checker softwares don't show most of the backlinks before 3-4 months.
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    • Profile picture of the author freetraff
      Originally Posted by Ehsan_am View Post

      I'm a member of AMA and the whole PGB site. I agree with most of what people said about AMA here. AMA wasn't made for short term results. The fact that you don't see backlinks quickly has nothing to do with AMA. It's just that backlink checker softwares don't show most of the backlinks before 3-4 months.
      I would say even more - backlink checking is "dance with closed eyes", because backlink checking tools simply cannot show the real number of backlinks. Not because they are nasty, but because they are technologically cut off (by search engines) from this possibility.

      Please check this forum thread where I give video proofs of that issue - http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ble-video.html
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      • Profile picture of the author zdebx
        Quite interesting discussion, guys. You pulled me in, so I decided to share my own opinion.

        I personally been using Article Marketer for almost 3 months now. Their membership is the cheapest compared to all other similar services ($99 for 3 months).

        The difference between AM and others is that this service only submits your articles to article directories. They will not be submitted to blogs or any other sites. Some disadvantages are that articles have to be 400 words at least, and sometimes it's a bit tricky to get articles approved.

        So far, comparing the services I have used, I think AM is the best link building service on the Internet. Now let me explain why:

        Article Marketing Automation ($47/month) - yes, it's a cheap service, but it takes quite a lot of time, before your articles get published a "decent" number of times, while with AM they get distributed to 100's of directories within few days.

        MyArticleNetwork ($47/month) - as people have already said, it's the same as AMA, and maybe even worse, because the network is smaller, I believe.

        Unique Article Wizard ($67/month) - a bit more expensive than the other 2, but I've heard people saying lots of good things about UAW. First of all, what I don't like about this service is that you HAVE to rewrite your articles. Of course, it's good for having different content distributed across many directories, but I believe the benefits are not worth the time spent.

        Linkvana ($147/month) - haven't tried this myself, but $100+ monthly seems a bit too much for this kind of service, considering there are many alternatives. The only hope is that their service is MUCH different from others, otherwise it's just poor value for money.

        Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author patlondon
    The problem I had with Article Automation was fact that my articles went to under a dozen blogs after spending 2 hours re-writing content to be unique enough for publishers. I really thought that there would have been many more publishers for my content than that.
    My time would have been better spent just releasing that content to the better article directories. And the price on AMA is pretty high for these kinds of results.
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    • Profile picture of the author Ehsan_am
      Originally Posted by patlondon View Post

      The problem I had with Article Automation was fact that my articles went to under a dozen blogs after spending 2 hours re-writing content to be unique enough for publishers. I really thought that there would have been many more publishers for my content than that.
      My time would have been better spent just releasing that content to the better article directories. And the price on AMA is pretty high for these kinds of results.

      That's probabaly because there wqeren't more blogs in the category you chose while submitting. Most of my articles go to over 50 blogs. If you want to get backlinks from a higher number of blogs you just need to change the category every time you post a new article. Let's say your niche is gardening you can probabaly post to home-gardening, home-General, home improvement etc You just need to be careful about the categories you choose because if they don't match with your article publishers won't accept them.

      I tried AMA but did not get that many links. I'll say that I didn't submit that many articles either though. Just didn't like the fact that you had to wait for people to accept your articles. Haven't tried Linkvana or My article network. I've heard that article marketer works well though. I've only used it once but I'm still waiting on the results.
      For how long did you try AMA??? I have seen people with some amazing results even though I'm pretty new to this and my sites are only over a month old so I can't say this for myself. So far my impression is that for each article submitted you get something like 3 backlinks show up in backlink checkers. But that doesn't mean the backlinks aren't there. As you probabaly already know backlink checkers are far from being accurate. I have the same number of baclkins showing on a short period of time with Anegal and Paul's links too so my guess is you have to be patient and wait 3-4 months to see the full extent of reults with baclink building.
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      • Profile picture of the author patlondon
        Originally Posted by Ehsan_am View Post

        That's probabaly because there wqeren't more blogs in the category you chose while submitting. Most of my articles go to over 50 blogs. If you want to get backlinks from a higher number of blogs you just need to change the category every time you post a new article. Let's say your niche is gardening you can probabaly post to home-gardening, home-General, home improvement etc You just need to be careful about the categories you choose because if they don't match with your article publishers won't accept them.
        Yes of course you're right about there not being enough blogs in that category which was sort of my whole point. I would have thought that home and family articles would be picked up more. I heard that AMA had about 10,000 blogs in the network at that point..?

        Maybe it's mostly filled w/blogs about internet marketing and Forex and people in other niches hadn't gotten the word about these blog networks enough yet..? Dunno..
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  • Profile picture of the author patlondon
    I like the looks of Free Traffic System though..a free option to join is such a great way to get more blogs into the network...all looking for relevant content to publish.
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  • Profile picture of the author T.J.
    I tried AMA but did not get that many links. I'll say that I didn't submit that many articles either though. Just didn't like the fact that you had to wait for people to accept your articles. Haven't tried Linkvana or My article network. I've heard that article marketer works well though. I've only used it once but I'm still waiting on the results.

    Have any of you tried Jet Spinner... I'm Using it now... It's an awsome FREE spinner and you can choose to upgrade to the subbmitter service. But you can still spin for free and just copy and past the spun articles(that's what I just started doing anyways). I think I'll upgrade next paycheck. It's similar to AMA in the way that it spins. You can also spin the anchor text as well (all though I haven't figured that out yet though), which as you know is good for SEO.


    Any ways it's just a suggestion. Hope that helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ehsan_am
    Well you can't really compare UAW and AMA. AMA uses anchor text linking and UAW seems to be dealing with article directories. Not the same service at all. By the way the reason AMA articles are published over a certain amount of time is that AMA owners belive that building links slowly seems more natural to google ( I don't say this is ture).
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    • Profile picture of the author zdebx
      Originally Posted by Ehsan_am View Post

      Well you can't really compare UAW and AMA. AMA uses anchor text linking and UAW seems to be dealing with article directories. Not the same service at all. By the way the reason AMA articles are published over a certain amount of time is that AMA owners belive that building links slowly seems more natural to google ( I don't say this is ture).
      True, I agree about AMA and UAW, but you could compare them in terms of link building services in general, right? And that's actually what I did.
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      • Profile picture of the author The Expert
        Don't forget Free Traffic System guys.

        I currently belong to ArticleMarketer but I've been trying to pick out another distribution service that works the backlinks from a different angle (contextual links vs. author's resource box).

        My instinct it to pay for all of them and spin different version across multiple platorms...but cost is a factor and you're looking at close to $1000 p/month to belong to all the power linkbuilding services (Linkvana, AMA, FTS, ArticleMarketer, Backlink Juicer, IBL Builder etc) plus having the content generated and spun to pump across all the networks.

        That being said, I feel that Linkvana is too expensive and I'm not a fan of their 1-to-1 ratio of article to singe backlink. Not at that price. I'd go there, but not until a site can support the cost. AMA was on the top of my list, but Free Traffic System seems to have more benefits overall.

        The only issue is the size of the network. I dunno which one is larger.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ehsan_am
          Originally Posted by The Expert View Post

          Don't forget Free Traffic System guys.

          I currently belong to ArticleMarketer but I've been trying to pick out another distribution service that works the backlinks from a different angle (contextual links vs. author's resource box).

          My instinct it to pay for all of them and spin different version across multiple platorms...but cost is a factor and you're looking at close to $1000 p/month to belong to all the power linkbuilding services (Linkvana, AMA, FTS, ArticleMarketer, Backlink Juicer, IBL Builder etc) plus having the content generated and spun to pump across all the networks.

          That being said, I feel that Linkvana is too expensive and I'm not a fan of their 1-to-1 ratio of article to singe backlink. Not at that price. I'd go there, but not until a site can support the cost. AMA was on the top of my list, but Free Traffic System seems to have more benefits overall.

          The only issue is the size of the network. I dunno which one is larger.

          This looks pretty interesting.I hadn't heard about this site. I think it should be as good as AMA. I'll give it a try.
          BTW AMA has over 10 000 blogs pluged into it. In case you have some information on free traffic system' size yyou can compare.
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        • Profile picture of the author zdebx
          Originally Posted by The Expert View Post

          Don't forget Free Traffic System guys.

          I currently belong to ArticleMarketer but I've been trying to pick out another distribution service that works the backlinks from a different angle (contextual links vs. author's resource box).

          My instinct it to pay for all of them and spin different version across multiple platorms...but cost is a factor and you're looking at close to $1000 p/month to belong to all the power linkbuilding services (Linkvana, AMA, FTS, ArticleMarketer, Backlink Juicer, IBL Builder etc) plus having the content generated and spun to pump across all the networks.

          That being said, I feel that Linkvana is too expensive and I'm not a fan of their 1-to-1 ratio of article to singe backlink. Not at that price. I'd go there, but not until a site can support the cost. AMA was on the top of my list, but Free Traffic System seems to have more benefits overall.

          The only issue is the size of the network. I dunno which one is larger.
          It would be too difficult to keep the track of results from all the networks. If you want to try them all, then you should do it one by one.

          AM is a proven service, AMA is not bad either, but slower...

          As I said, I don't think Linkvana is worth the price.

          IBL Builder looks like a small, crappy network, and it doesn't really pull me in.

          FTW and The Link Juicer look quite interesting, but I haven't tried them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ehsan_am
    Yes link juicer seems very interestiung too. I have been using this technique of promotion your promotion it looks very natural and it seems towork great.
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    • Profile picture of the author Axeman63
      Lots of great posts here on different services.

      I have persevered with AMA even though I may not see any fruits of my labour for 3 months (which seems the general consensus) On one level I can understand them not mentioning this time frame, on the other hand if I knew that from the start I wouldn't have been frustrated and slagging them off quite so much.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ehsan_am
    does anyone have more info on link juicer. This service seems very interesting and it seems it can turn out quite effective combiend with AMA.
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    • Profile picture of the author Peter Adamson
      Originally Posted by Ehsan_am View Post

      does anyone have more info on link juicer. This service seems very interesting and it seems it can turn out quite effective combiend with AMA.
      Why don't you take the free trial and then tell us what you think? ;^)
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      • Profile picture of the author The Expert
        Just so you guys know, I've now signed up with the following services and rank them in value in the following order:

        1) The Link Juicer - great concept that automatically creates your own "multi-layered" blog farm for your money site. If you have a REAL blog farm then you can create campaigns for each post on each of the blogs in your farm to "juice them up" and channel more link juice to your money site. KILLER KILLER KILLER tool.

        2) Free Traffic System (pro version)- works similar in fashion as Article Marketing Automation in that it distributes your blog posts across a syndicated network. It has some extra features though that actually means you get more backlinks to your site than with AMA. Also, while it seems AMA may have a bigger network, you don't have access to all the sites anyway as your stuff only goes on sites in your selected category...so it's not really an advantage after all.

        3) Article Marketer - good site for traditional articles with an authors resource box at the bottom. They are kinda picky on their approals though which means it can take days to get your stuff distributed out there...but it has probably the largest distribution network of any of these sites.

        I've not used Linkvana or ILB yet...so I can't comment on them.
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  • Profile picture of the author Franck Silvestre
    I'm currently making a case study on my blog with some of these services. I'm targeting the keyword "affiliate marketing training" for my site.

    Here are the services I've used so far:

    1. Article Marketing Automation

    I like it so far, although I didn't see the results yet.

    2. Unique Article Wizard

    UAW is pretty impressive. The next day, I could already find my articles on various websites online. This is article marketing on steroids.

    What is good with this service is that it will spin your article so each of the article directories have a UNIQUE article. It's brilliant.

    3. Article Marketer

    I also use free press release sites along with those services.

    Franck
    here is the automated backlink case study if you want to have a look
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    • Profile picture of the author FredJones
      What are the exit policies of each of these?

      That is, if you decide to leave the service at any time do your previously submitted articles and links stay or go away?
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      • Profile picture of the author mark@1to101
        Originally Posted by FredJones View Post

        What are the exit policies of each of these?

        That is, if you decide to leave the service at any time do your previously submitted articles and links stay or go away?
        Once distributed and published, your articles are unaffected when you stop using the services.

        This is definite; the reason being that your articles get published on 3rd party websites which the article distribution services don't have control over.
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        • Profile picture of the author FredJones
          Originally Posted by mark@1to101 View Post

          Once distributed and published, your articles are unaffected when you stop using the services.

          This is definite; the reason being that your articles get published on 3rd party websites which the article distribution services don't have control over.
          Thanks. Just wanted to ensure that it is indeed this way - I know of a rather famous system that would let you exchange articles with your website and others, but the moment you stop using the services and remove your blog (if you do, for whatever reason) then you end up removing all inlinks to your blog too. They ensure that you do lose the links - although the sites are third party, but they still have control over all the sites just like they have control over yours.

          So, thanks for this cool clarification.
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    I really like to see more success story about the link juicer, I've yet see much result from it, other than varying my link source, I can't comment much.

    If anyone use the link juicer with great success, please share...

    Use article marketing to build backlinks just take too much time, I switch to Angela backlinks type of link building, and it seems much effective.

    Creating good content to generate natural linking is the best way, and the method seems much easier than we though. The key is to identify as much high traffic authority site that accept your content, and use them to get tons of traffic and links to your site in the shortest time!

    - Kok Choon
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  • Profile picture of the author StevenR
    I have used UAW, Linkvana, AMA, and 1waylinks... and currently use UAW, AMA and 1waylinks.

    They are all pretty decent.

    One thing to keep in mind is that 1waylinks have stricter policies regarding the type of sites you can link to... but all in all a very good service.

    Having a diverse linking portfolio is important for sustained rankings so I would say subscribe to one or two of these services, then spend your time using some other methods as well.

    /Steven
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    • Profile picture of the author alanottapilakal
      Originally Posted by StevenR View Post

      I have used UAW, Linkvana, AMA, and 1waylinks... and currently use UAW, AMA and 1waylinks.

      They are all pretty decent.

      One thing to keep in mind is that 1waylinks have stricter policies regarding the type of sites you can link to... but all in all a very good service.

      Having a diverse linking portfolio is important for sustained rankings so I would say subscribe to one or two of these services, then spend your time using some other methods as well.

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      I think StevenR is right
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    I don't like strict policy, especially silly one!

    I want to be able to promote Yoga, Martial Art, Traditional Chinese Medicine, and 1waylinks seems to "hate" those sites...
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    • Profile picture of the author vstar650
      One thing I need to mention and I hope the folks over at ArticleMarketingAutomation.com read this.... Their support ABSOLUTELY SUCKS BIG TIME, In fact their is NO SUPPORT AT ALL!!!

      I Have contacted their support department on several occasions and have NEVER HAD A REPLY... N-E-V-E-R!

      I did some research afterwords and found numerous post on several other forums that indicate the same thing... Their Support Sucks and is totally non existent

      Oh and another thing... I referred a friend of mine to their service and he signed up through my affiliate link and guess what... I Did Not get credit for the referral, so I contacted their affiliate support 3 fu**ing times and once again NEVER got a reply

      Needless to say... we have both quit their service and have moved on to others who have great service with great customer support

      On a last note... I own an off line business where customer support is the back bone to my success... I'm here to tell you without customer support every business will eventually fail, and I hope ArticleMarketingAutomation.com goes Tits Up... looks good on them

      They're so busy grabbing the money they've forgotten the basic tenet of any marketing - "The customer is #1".
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        Of these, we have positive experience with Linkvana and talk about this is a couple other Linkvana threads and our own Linkvana WSO service special to get you cheap rates without having your own membership. Linkvana does well for our clients, too. Excellent customer service there, too.

        A couple of the Linkvana threads for more info are:

        http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...ng-i-know.html

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        http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...n-special.html
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      • Profile picture of the author jaihyppo
        Originally Posted by vstar650 View Post

        One thing I need to mention and I hope the folks over at ArticleMarketingAutomation.com read this.... Their support ABSOLUTELY SUCKS BIG TIME, In fact their is NO SUPPORT AT ALL!!!

        I Have contacted their support department on several occasions and have NEVER HAD A REPLY... N-E-V-E-R!

        I did some research afterwords and found numerous post on several other forums that indicate the same thing... Their Support Sucks and is totally non existent

        Oh and another thing... I referred a friend of mine to their service and he signed up through my affiliate link and guess what... I Did Not get credit for the referral, so I contacted their affiliate support 3 fu**ing times and once again NEVER got a reply

        Needless to say... we have both quit their service and have moved on to others who have great service with great customer support

        On a last note... I own an off line business where customer support is the back bone to my success... I'm here to tell you without customer support every business will eventually fail, and I hope ArticleMarketingAutomation.com goes Tits Up... looks good on them

        They're so busy grabbing the money they've forgotten the basic tenet of any marketing - "The customer is #1".
        Finally, I've found a post who has the same problem I faced with AMA. You are absolutely right, their support team really terrible.

        AMA also steal my affiliate commission. When I refer this problem to the support team, their answer is "This issue has been resolved". Yikes! What's that suppose to mean? Up until now, AMA still haven't paid my commission.

        I've become AMA member for two months and I have submitted several articles to their system who so called to have 15,000 blog networks or so. Guess what, after two months, the highest backlink numbers I got was 20 only. Two months and only 20 backlinks??? You've got to be kidding here. Slow is good especially when you want to build a natural backlinks but 20 backlinks, common, give me a break here. That's $94 of my money just got wasted. I can do much faster backlinking if I do it myself.

        After getting a terrible experience with AMA, all I can say is that this program who claim to have 15,000 blog networks is nothing but lie.
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      • Profile picture of the author Gavan
        AMA and MAN are very slow. I got maybe 20 links a month when I tried MAN. Linkvana is pretty good, I got decent results from using them. I am currently using Unique Article Wizard, which seems to be the best I have tried so far.
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  • Profile picture of the author Maulana
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    LV is slow. AMA does not rank my sites high enough. BacklinkSolution is okay. But FTS is one of the best system out there.
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    • Profile picture of the author Franck Silvestre
      The thing is that you don't want to rely on just AMA to rank your website. You need to use all the backlink strategies available.

      Franck

      Originally Posted by Maulana View Post

      LV is slow. AMA does not rank my sites high enough. BacklinkSolution is okay. But FTS is one of the best system out there.
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    • Profile picture of the author kumar
      Hi Guys,

      I am on the verge on signing up with either AMA or My Article Network.

      As I understand, both have the same blog network and spinning and submission process. But in terms of customer support and tutorials/help videos etc., who would you suggest?

      For those who are affiliates of either networks, do you have to sign up a minimum number of people under you to get paid?

      Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author jaihyppo
        Originally Posted by kumar View Post

        Hi Guys,

        I am on the verge on signing up with either AMA or My Article Network.

        As I understand, both have the same blog network and spinning and submission process. But in terms of customer support and tutorials/help videos etc., who would you suggest?

        For those who are affiliates of either networks, do you have to sign up a minimum number of people under you to get paid?

        Thanks!
        If you've read my post earlier, you will found out that AMA is a bad idea.

        You don't have to get a minimum number of people under you to get paid. The question is whether they will pay you or not.

        Anyhow, if you really want to try out, go for My Article Network. Actually I've heard some bad reviews for both AMA and MAN.
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      • Profile picture of the author Andrew Wilson
        Originally Posted by kumar View Post

        Hi Guys,

        I am on the verge on signing up with either AMA or My Article Network.

        As I understand, both have the same blog network and spinning and submission process. But in terms of customer support and tutorials/help videos etc., who would you suggest?

        For those who are affiliates of either networks, do you have to sign up a minimum number of people under you to get paid?

        Thanks!
        I use AMA and I like it.
        I like the rewriting facilities which are not just a simple spinner (although that is there too). I like the workflow and support has not been an issue, for two reasons:
        1) You don't need to be a rocket sceintist to do this stuff
        2) Support is actually pretty responsive BUT a while back it was not working acceptably well

        As to the speed of the link building.
        I do not use AMA to build huge backlinks fast. My highest number of submissions is over 300 and I have quite a few with over 200. The good thing is that the links tend to stick quite well. I was, coincidentally, this morning, checking up on some older posts I had made and found that the links were, in large part, still present and correct and ready for repromotion.

        I'd suggest that if you need loads of backlinks fast then a blog network is NOT the way to go. A blog network is great as PART of one's marketing mix but over the past year or two I have seen that those who rely upon blog networks for loadsa links fast are the ones who tend to fall by the wayside. Use EVO 2 or Linking Loophole for that stuff and then mix in article submissions and blog network use.

        Kinda like this:
        Indexing and rapid movement from volatile links (LL/EVO 2/Scrapebox)
        Medium term growth and authority building (article directory submissions)
        Long term, stable links from sites that tend to increase in authority and rank over time (blog networks with member supplied blogs)

        If you only do any one of these things your goals are unlikely to be met. Do all three and you will do fine.

        AMA is cool because the way the rewriting process works makes it a doddle for me to generate 'unique' content for the other promotion tools and methods I use so my workflow reflects it and makes it more likely that I will use AMA ongoing.

        NB. I have only used blog networks where the blogs are member supplied and run such as AMA, Syndicate Kahuna and PortalFeeder. I have a decently founded prejudice against some other methodologies.
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        • Profile picture of the author kumar
          Originally Posted by Andrew Wilson View Post

          I use AMA and I like it.
          I like the rewriting facilities which are not just a simple spinner (although that is there too). I like the workflow and support has not been an issue, for two reasons:
          1) You don't need to be a rocket sceintist to do this stuff
          2) Support is actually pretty responsive BUT a while back it was not working acceptably well

          As to the speed of the link building.
          I do not use AMA to build huge backlinks fast. My highest number of submissions is over 300 and I have quite a few with over 200. The good thing is that the links tend to stick quite well. I was, coincidentally, this morning, checking up on some older posts I had made and found that the links were, in large part, still present and correct and ready for repromotion.

          I'd suggest that if you need loads of backlinks fast then a blog network is NOT the way to go. A blog network is great as PART of one's marketing mix but over the past year or two I have seen that those who rely upon blog networks for loadsa links fast are the ones who tend to fall by the wayside. Use EVO 2 or Linking Loophole for that stuff and then mix in article submissions and blog network use.

          Kinda like this:
          Indexing and rapid movement from volatile links (LL/EVO 2/Scrapebox)
          Medium term growth and authority building (article directory submissions)
          Long term, stable links from sites that tend to increase in authority and rank over time (blog networks with member supplied blogs)

          If you only do any one of these things your goals are unlikely to be met. Do all three and you will do fine.

          AMA is cool because the way the rewriting process works makes it a doddle for me to generate 'unique' content for the other promotion tools and methods I use so my workflow reflects it and makes it more likely that I will use AMA ongoing.

          NB. I have only used blog networks where the blogs are member supplied and run such as AMA, Syndicate Kahuna and PortalFeeder. I have a decently founded prejudice against some other methodologies.
          Thanks Andrew, for your detailed explanation.

          I intend to use AMA/MAN and do a lot of article directory submissions initially. I may look at using Backlink packets (such as those advertised in the WSO) and a few other strategies down the line.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sandy Cormack
      My biggest gripe with FTS is they ignore my support emails.

      That, and I find that I can't get close to their maximum number of links because they don't have enough blogs in my niches.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Lam
    I've used MAN and I must say that it does work to an extent. It is definitely a long-term approach (that's just the nature of SEM anyway). I do notice that I can do one article submission and find that my article and have it indexed in over 100 results. It's all just a matter of time before it really kicks in.

    HOWEVER... what I'm very disappointed in though is that the majority of blogs my article is being posted on either has PR0 or PR1 and sometimes PR2 at best. Still, for the price and what it does, it is a steal.
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  • Profile picture of the author matts5150
    Here's 2 example of obvious footprints, although I'd really like to know what link system they're using so I can avoid it.

    promdressgown dot com/luck.php and promdressgown dot com/contactus.php
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    • Profile picture of the author denisefernandes
      Hey guys,

      I've been using Free Traffic System (a free account) for a while now along with an automated article submitter (with no spinning).

      I'm not seeing significant results despite submitting steadily linking to my articles and blogs at the rate of about 2 or 3 links a day.

      Am I being penalised for duplicate content amongst different article directories? Are the posts on the FTS blogs not being found? Are they too low quality?

      I am still trying to find a good linking strategy and have thought of joining AMA or Linkvana. Any tips would be much appreciated.


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  • Profile picture of the author Emmanuel Betinis
    LinkVana has recently come out with a brand new article network system in addition to their blog network...

    Looks interesting...
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  • Profile picture of the author wizlor
    For those who has been using Unique Article Wizard, do they accept PLR with rewrite?
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  • Profile picture of the author webkc
    I would simply stear away from these link buying schemes. Had never heard of anyone getting any real life long term results by taking shortcuts - just in my experience.
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  • Profile picture of the author stern112
    Good post. Learned a lot. Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Elliott
    Im using Amautomation, have been using it for about 8 months maybe more. I have only used it for one site and have submitted 15 articles (this equals 1200 submissions to blogs). I have got 5 page 1 results from this alone so I would say its pretty good. I got lazy and stopped writting articles because its alot of work to spin the articles, and takes awhile. However tonight I just used The Best Article Spinner. It took me 1 hour to have an article ready and I would say with practice it will take about 30 minutes to have a article ready to submit 70-100 times or more.

    What I dont understand though is that the backlinks for this site is only 50, yet it should be over 1,000 - so for some reason the backlinks dont all count for amautomation?
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Wilson
    Daniel, given that AMA sites are owned by members of AMA what is the long term weakeness in the acceptance and publication of articles that limts its effectiveness?

    You, as a member provide the content and so the quality is whatever you are willing to provide, as site owner, I will not accept rubbish, although some folks run their sites on autopilot so given that, as you correctly state, the content is the key I am unsure as to what you were getting at here.
    For myself, three anchor text backlinks from content that is provided by me and meets my own standards seems to be about as good as one can get. I know I can target a small range of related terms and hit the target every time, I know that it is very rare that my material will be rejected because it is well written and on topic, so I do not waste my time and the network has been around for a while now without any problems from SE's.
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    • Profile picture of the author Andrew Wilson
      Originally Posted by Daniel McGonagle View Post

      Andrew with MAN/AMA it's GOOD that you can limit the # of places that accept your articles, so first 50 sites host and post your stuff.

      However, if there are 50 sites auto-accepting and auto-publishing your articles every time, or even most of the time, then subsequent articles will keep getting put on the same sites, thereby reducing the effectiveness of the backlinks obtained, via the law of diminishing returns, ie. repeated backlinks from same sites.

      It'd be great if you could specify that NEW sites host your articles, to leapfrog over the auto-acceptance sites that are usually upside down in link juice and filled with seemingly unique content.

      To be honest I can see no valid reason why you'd want to limit the number of backlinks you get and so it seems that you may be reaching a tad here. However, as a user of the system I can assure you that I do not see my articles coming up time and again from the same places. That said, it is irrelevant anyway!
      Even if you still believe that PageRank is anything more than a kiddy toy to let people have fun with shiny things then you also know that PR is about PAGES. The PR algorithm and commentaries outlined that PR is a vote divided between all the outgoing links on a page, hence the name. PR is NOT about a site and so you could have loads of articles linking to different keywords and all linking to different pages on your sites and the effect is exactly the same as having your articles on loads of different sites, as long as the number of articles on the blog network remains unchanged in both scenarios.
      If what you say about content is true and your opinion of PR or whatever one wants to call it are both true then autopublishing is not an issue, no need to modify how content is published, in this regard at least.
      Oh, from what I can see, I have no concerns about seeing my content on any of the sites n the AMA network, apart from anything else I know that 'a link is a link is a link'.

      Also, the system does not simply blast out your articles, they are released over time and so they will go to a randomised selection of sites. You will not get, for example, 50 links made in one day. Bottom line your concern, even if valid simply does not happen and certainly the 'effectiveness of the service in the long term' is not limited.
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    OK, Dan, you DO know that just because a link is not showing in Google does not mean that it is not used and providing whatever kind of benefit to the linked to site? You DO know that yes?

    Secondly YOU made the point that the links were the thing, not the PR of the page and you were right. Even if my experience of the system since its inception matched with yours (which it does not!) because you were correct about the link and PR thing your point is simply immaterial.

    I confess to a degree of curiosity here though. By what mechanism do search engines divine that you have posted articles on two occasions rather than one when the blog network is posting your content over a period of many weeks?

    However, really, whatever happens over time choosing to restrict the universe of links available to you makes no sense!
    If it does, what is the optimum number, 1?

    Given what we know of ranking algorithms from public information from the horse's mouth we know that the more links the better.

    Oh, given that sites on autoapprove are not identified as such to users how do you know that your posts were going to autoapprove sites much of the time? What difference does it make whether a site is on autoapprove or not? I have sites in the system and I can tell you that it makes no difference to the content I receive and assuming I set sensible post acceptance rates, choose my categories and map them sensibly no difference to the nicheing of the content (not that that matters much either, from a poster's point of view.)

    Can I strongly suggest, at the risk of vexing some people, that we move away from SEM by superstition and look at fundamentals, the stuff we can know from publically available information from primary sources?
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  • Profile picture of the author quamism
    Does anyone know if AMA and MAN share the same support desks?
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  • Profile picture of the author W2L
    I've tried AMA and its OK however I'd have to say... I've gotten the same results using my own article marketing method. Profile link building (angela/paul), forum link building, social bookmarking and the works needs to be incorporated to see results cause there is no such thing as a big red button to make unlimited money
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    • Profile picture of the author Andrew Wilson
      Originally Posted by W2L View Post

      I've tried AMA and its OK however I'd have to say... I've gotten the same results using my own article marketing method. Profile link building (angela/paul), forum link building, social bookmarking and the works needs to be incorporated to see results cause there is no such thing as a big red button to make unlimited money
      Yes, in the end it is only building backlinks. The thing is that AMA gives access to scads of sites, often, if not always, well niched and can really help kickstarting a site. Most of us do not have private access to a network of over 17K individually owned and run sites so AMA makes that task much easier. As you noted, the other stuff is necessary too, doing only blog network posts will not build a successful business for many people, apart from the proprietors of the blog network.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lorens
    Personally, I use AMA and UaWiz and I am satisfied with the results. I have considered joining LinkVana, however I am not sure yet.
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  • Profile picture of the author mybeech
    I think will stick to Angela's links and will try linking loophole
    see how it goes
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    • Profile picture of the author Andrew Wilson
      Originally Posted by mybeech View Post

      I think will stick to Angela's links and will try linking loophole
      see how it goes
      I'd suggest that, if you are seeking long term results that you consider using LL OR Angela's stuff (one essentially duplicates the other given that LL uses the same sites in the software, albeit not all of them) as PART of your promotional/marketing mix?

      Using only a single type of link leaves you open to SE algo changes and reflects only a single element of one's ranking and traffic strategy.
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      • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
        Originally Posted by Andrew Wilson View Post

        I'd suggest that, if you are seeking long term results that you consider using LL OR Angela's stuff (one essentially duplicates the other given that LL uses the same sites in the software, albeit not all of them) as PART of your promotional/marketing mix?

        Using only a single type of link leaves you open to SE algo changes and reflects only a single element of one's ranking and traffic strategy.
        Not for long tail keyword!

        Long tail keywords seems to be working well with all kinds of old style SEO, but if you want to build authority sites, then you are right.
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        • Profile picture of the author Andrew Wilson
          Originally Posted by kkchoon View Post

          Not for long tail keyword!

          Long tail keywords seems to be working well with all kinds of old style SEO, but if you want to build authority sites, then you are right.
          Hmmm...

          I doubt there is any other kind of SEO than SEO so I did not really understand the point.

          There are times when I want to make a site or page that will rank well for a short time and then be irrelevant and, yes, in such cases I might well do different things bit that is more to do with how quickly I can manufacture links than to do with any inherent point as to 'quality' of the links. I simply emphasise different points within the marketing mix.

          If I want to rank well for buying terms for two weeks from now and for only a few days then I want blog pages - parasite hosted and loads of fast backlinks to as many of those parasite pages as I can manage. I'd not do quite the same for a longer term project although parasite hosting and automated link building are ALSO a part of the that process too.
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  • Profile picture of the author ruch1v
    Great thread guys, was a good read to see everyones opinions, one network I'm considering it blog blueprint from the commission blueprint guys, you can see their WSO here http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...uuIv3IwKIlNboq
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  • Profile picture of the author himanuzo
    Can Article Marketing Automation, Linkvana, My Article Network be used to generate buzz traffic (not through the top spot at major search engines) for making money online?
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  • Profile picture of the author Ceciliacyprus
    So many opinions, seems we just have to pick one and see what happens, some go well for this person and not for the other. Think I will give AMA a try. Thanks everyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author CJ.Online
    I tried the FreeTrafficSystem and I didn't get results. I personally wouldn't use it again
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    I tried the FreeTrafficSystem and I didn't get results. I personally wouldn't use it again
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  • Profile picture of the author 32paul52
    Hiya all anybody tried this system with UAW: myarticletools.com
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  • Profile picture of the author multiline
    I am using BuildMyrank from the last 1 month and I think this is better then Linkvana because they provide many facilities like outsourcing your writing work to others. You can build unlimited links at BMR. There are different packages to serve diff needs.
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  • Profile picture of the author adrixe
    Here's my thoughts on the link juicer.

    Awesome service, and build backlinks to your backlinks.
    I get all the urls in my report and use backlink energizer. Gets most of the links indexed and thus getting my site and clients ranked. Its a set and forget system. And every week i collect the urls and energize them. Works great.

    Not sure why people are not mentioning article ranks? Ive been using them together with uaw and tlj with awesome results!
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