Add content to my PBN sites, or keep about 5 solid articles?

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Should I continue to add content (it won't be too awesome, probably Article Builder stuff or similar) or keep about 3-5 solid articles on it?

I say the continued content would be thin because I wouldn't have time to write new content (or pay to have it written) if I'm using 10-15 sites in my PBN.
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    • Profile picture of the author PBMax
      Well, I haven't really yet. I have a handful of PR3 and PR2 sites in my niche I just scooped up. One I built out and have four decent articles on it, ready for links to my client to be put in.

      I read that link and you seem to be doing articles, so I guess I'm a bit perplexed at your meaning.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

        I read that link and you seem to be doing articles, so I guess I'm a bit perplexed at your meaning.
        You obviously didn't read it so I guess you will just continue being perplexed
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      • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
        Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

        I read that link and you seem to be doing articles, so I guess I'm a bit perplexed at your meaning.
        What he may be trying to elude to, is the advancement of your current state of mind when it comes to PBN content.

        History has shown us that Googles main sail of combating webspam is pattern analysis. With the exception of a competitor reporting you, moving away from some of the "industry standard" patterns that have almost grown to religious proportions. Making them become easier to footprint over time, as the pattern expands.

        Now might be the time (Well the time was 2 years ago) to start building to the definition standard of unique. Not the "ArticleBuilder" or "TheBestSpinners" 67.66% unique version. Sitting on a default wp theme with images stolen from search and a ripped YT video.
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          Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post


          Now might be the time (Well the time was 2 years ago) to start building to the definition standard of unique. Not the "ArticleBuilder" or "TheBestSpinners" 67.66% unique version. Sitting on a default wp theme with images stolen from search and a ripped YT video.
          I do agree. It is best to post unique content on your website than use article spinner programs. Google detects duplication and if you want your site or blog to be on the first page, having unique content is the best way to go.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO Power
    Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

    Should I continue to add content (it won't be too awesome, probably Article Builder stuff or similar) or keep about 3-5 solid articles on it?

    I say the continued content would be thin because I wouldn't have time to write new content (or pay to have it written) if I'm using 10-15 sites in my PBN.
    If you aren't going to create unique content, then don't publish any articles on the sites. It's better than publishing spun content from article builder.

    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

    Not all PBN sites are blogs. Some PBN sites are just built into normal static homepage sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by SEO Power View Post

      Not all PBN sites are blogs. Some PBN sites are just built into normal static homepage sites.
      You mean like many of mine I update through dreamweaver? Doesn't change the fact that 90% of PBN owners use WP as a blog. You do realize PBN stands for Private BLOG network right?
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        19% of the net is built on Wordpress so it's not like Wordpress is a problem.

        Don't get me wrong, I'm not stuck on WP, my point is any cookie cutter footprints are the webmasters own problem considering WP themes can be edited/created to be as unique as needed.

        OP, don't junk up your sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMCapitalist
    to me, simply to keep unique contents as much as possible always does the trick, decent links do the same too
    but there are more than plentiful knowledge here that I can learn from this generous sharing.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Bottom line is why spend the money and time on domains and build them into a private network if you are just going to fill them with junk content that makes them stick out like a sore thumb?

    A private network is an investment. It's a money making machine that you should take care of.
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    • Profile picture of the author PBMax
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Bottom line is why spend the money and time on domains and build them into a private network if you are just going to fill them with junk content that makes them stick out like a sore thumb?

      A private network is an investment. It's a money making machine that you should take care of.
      Agreed. So add original content (hired or by me) and essentially make it look like a real blog/site. I do this for my own (obviously) but I didn't want to use extra cash to do this on the PBN - but it's probably a better usage of that cash than an SEO service, Fiverr, etc.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

        Agreed. So add original content (hired or by me) and essentially make it look like a real blog/site. I do this for my own (obviously) but I didn't want to use extra cash to do this on the PBN - but it's probably a better usage of that cash than an SEO service, Fiverr, etc.
        Don't just make it look like a real blog, monetize it, use it to help drive traffic to money pages while also using the same site to rank money pages on your best domains. If anything use the smaller network sites to pick up easier longtail traffic.
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        • Profile picture of the author PBMax
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Don't just make it look like a real blog, monetize it, use it to help drive traffic to money pages while also using the same site to rank money pages on your best domains. If anything use the smaller network sites to pick up easier longtail traffic.
          Monetize like Click Bank stuff? And what do you mean "small network sites?"
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

            Monetize like Click Bank stuff?
            I have no idea what your selling so what you monetize with is up to you, every niche is different.

            Personally I do promote one Clickbank product, it's the only CB product I've found that wasn't cheesy & actually complimented the niche I target on my main sites. My advice If you do anything with CB is to link directly to the https/noindexed CB checkout page (Google how to). Never link traffic directly to a CB vendor sales page, most siphon off traffic with optin forms & sell on the backend. A direct link to a vendor sales page could also be seen as a doorway page by Google.





            Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

            And what do you mean "small network sites?"
            What do you mean, what do I mean? What are we talking about here? We're talking about PBNs (a network of self hosted backlink sites).

            I don't know about anyone else but my backlink domains are usually smaller sites. Example one of my sites is same niche video tutorials, probably less than 100 pages total on that domain while my two main money sites average around 2,000 pages of content each.

            My point is, the backlink domains don't need to be large sites, use them to help rank pages & feed same niche traffic to wherever/whatever your trying to monetize.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

        Agreed. So add original content (hired or by me) and essentially make it look like a real blog/site. I do this for my own (obviously) but I didn't want to use extra cash to do this on the PBN - but it's probably a better usage of that cash than an SEO service, Fiverr, etc.
        It might seem expensive to use quality content on your network sites, but it is a lot cheaper than replacing them if they get de-indexed.
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        • Profile picture of the author PBMax
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          It might seem expensive to use quality content on your network sites, but it is a lot cheaper than replacing them if they get de-indexed.
          I can do the iWriter or similar paid articles, but is there a suggested post count, or just keep it regular?

          I don't want the work of building these things out to be wasted, so de-indexing would suck.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

            I can do the iWriter or similar paid articles, but is there a suggested post count, or just keep it regular?

            I don't want the work of building these things out to be wasted, so de-indexing would suck.
            Kind of depends on the theme you go with for the site. If it is a blog style theme, then probably the more the better. On the other hand if you build out a small mini-niche type site, I usually use anywhere from 8-20 articles.
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            • Profile picture of the author PBMax
              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              Kind of depends on the theme you go with for the site. If it is a blog style theme, then probably the more the better. On the other hand if you build out a small mini-niche type site, I usually use anywhere from 8-20 articles.
              Mini-niche sites for sure. And then add a few contextual links in the posts, right? No blogrolls or footer links, correct?
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

                Mini-niche sites for sure. And then add a few contextual links in the posts, right? No blogrolls or footer links, correct?
                I never do blogroll links or footer links. Contexual links go out to money sites in about 1 out of every 3 posts. That's just me though.
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                • Profile picture of the author PBMax
                  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                  I never do blogroll links or footer links. Contexual links go out to money sites in about 1 out of every 3 posts. That's just me though.
                  Cool. One last thing: Sticky posts or just let the posts ride off the homepage at some point?
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                  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                    Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

                    Cool. One last thing: Sticky posts or just let the posts ride off the homepage at some point?
                    If you are building it in the style of a blog, then you are going to let the posts roll.

                    I almost never build blog style sites anymore, and I do not use homepage links.
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                    • Profile picture of the author deezn
                      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                      If you are building it in the style of a blog, then you are going to let the posts roll.

                      I almost never build blog style sites anymore, and I do not use homepage links.
                      You don't link out from the homepage of your PBN sites to your money site? How exactly do you pass pagerank then?

                      And if I need to pay $300 for your course I will

                      But it's something I've struggled with on my PBN sites. How to make a non-blog site look natural linking out.
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                      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                        Originally Posted by deezn View Post

                        And if I need to pay $300 for your course I will
                        It's only $197.
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                        • Profile picture of the author PBMax
                          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                          It's only $197.
                          That's a lot of beers!
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                        • Profile picture of the author deezn
                          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                          It's only $197.
                          Is this info in there? If it is, sold!
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                          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                            Originally Posted by deezn View Post

                            Is this info in there? If it is, sold!
                            Is what info in there?
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                            • Profile picture of the author deezn
                              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                              Is what info in there?
                              The whole, how to link out from the PBN site without the link being on the homepage of the PBN site

                              Mike A provided some insight with a followup post. But if there is some technique about how to do that, it'll make me feel 100x better creating my PBN sites. What keeps me up at night is how to build a static site, and link to my money site, because the homepage is the one with all the juice, but it would look so much more natural if the link out is on an inner page.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                Originally Posted by deezn View Post

                                Mike A provided some insight with a followup post. But if there is some technique about how to do that, it'll make me feel 100x better creating my PBN sites.
                                Top navigation my man...it conveys a HUGE amount of juice to the internal pages with much less detioration

                                because the homepage is the one with all the juice
                                No my man. Juice is wherever you send it (don't worry about toolbar PR). I have had PR5s with top navigation that created 3 PR5 pages ( Granted that probably means the PR5 was a very strong PR5 like 5.5-5.8 ). In almost all cases linking to interior pages from top navigation will create several PR pages one down on the PR scale.

                                So PR4 making 3 or so PR3 pages. In many cases it makes sense to send that juice around your site before linking out because external links are where the juice degrades the faster
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                                • Profile picture of the author deezn
                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                  Top navigation my man...it conveys a HUGE amount of juice to the internal pages with much less detioration

                                  No my man. Juice is wherever you send it (don't worry about toolbar PR). I have had PR5s with top navigation that created 3 PR5 pages ( Granted that probably means the PR5 was a very strong PR5 like 5.5-5.8 ). In almost all cases linking to interior pages from top navigation will create several PR pages one down on the PR scale.

                                  So PR4 making 3 or so PR3 pages. In many cases it makes sense to send that juice around your site before linking out because external links are where the juice degrades the faster
                                  Gotcha. So just the normal navigation bar at the top, eh? Very interesting (and assuring).
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                              • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                                Originally Posted by deezn View Post

                                The whole, how to link out from the PBN site without the link being on the homepage of the PBN site

                                Mike A provided some insight with a followup post. But if there is some technique about how to do that, it'll make me feel 100x better creating my PBN sites. What keeps me up at night is how to build a static site, and link to my money site, because the homepage is the one with all the juice, but it would look so much more natural if the link out is on an inner page.
                                Oh yeah, I definitely go over that. Navigation is one way, but not the most common way I use. There are some better ways, and ways that will look more natural.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Blaine Smitley
                        Originally Posted by deezn View Post

                        And if I need to pay $300 for your course I will
                        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                        It's only $197.
                        Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

                        That's a lot of beers!
                        I calculated it to be approximately 15.2 boxes of the cheap boxed wine in the WalMart discount liqueur isle.

                        Bought it anyway and partook of Mikes first 2 webinars. Deployed one tactic he suggested on the site you see in my sig. The tactic cost me about $400.00 to implement across the board. (take that for what it means)

                        7 days later the site went from position 15 to position 5 for my primary key phrase "louisville seo".

                        That's the difference in getting calls and not getting calls. I fully expect to crack the top 3 in the next 2 weeks. The real money is in the top 3.

                        Sometimes you get what you pay for.

                        And that's just how I like it
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                        • Profile picture of the author PBMax
                          ...or 197 beers on $1 Pint Night! Hand your keys to the bartender as you walk in...
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                          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                            Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

                            ...or 197 beers on $1 Pint Night! Hand your keys to the bartender as you walk in...
                            ...or bring 196 friends.
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                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                        Originally Posted by deezn View Post

                        You don't link out from the homepage of your PBN sites to your money site? How exactly do you pass pagerank then?
                        Top navigation will relay a very high amount of the link juice to internal pages. I've had PR 5 pages create internal PR5 pages on some occasions and in almost all cases several PR4s. Internal links degrade juice SUBSTANTIALLY less than external links

                        But it's something I've struggled with on my PBN sites. How to make a non-blog site look natural linking out.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

            I can do the iWriter or similar paid articles, but is there a suggested post count, or just keep it regular?
            You are well on your way to putting together a PBN that anyone can recognize in two seconds. To make it simple

            Articles are self contained on a subject unrelated and disconnected to any other article. buying a standard article and plopping your anchor text on a page is how every PBN does it.

            Meanwhile natural blogs read differently - connected, conversational and real. Three natural sounding blog posts

            NON STANDARD PBN POST

            "last week we talked about widgets"

            "In part two of our series on widgets."

            "As we developed our most recent site we came across this widget."

            Instead of these three article kinds

            STANDARD PBN ARTICLE CONTENT

            "a widget is a great thing to have on your site. its can be added in wordpress"

            "a widget is is a piece of code that you can add to yoru site

            "widgets are fantastic and every site should add features this way


            The first set is natural reading from a real person - the second? bleh OBVIOUSLY just a bunch of articles bought to put on a page to put links on. No one would write such boring , disconnected repetitious posts on their blog.

            When you tell a writers to write articles on a subject you get the second kind 95% of the time and a manual reviewer (or your competitor checking your backlinks) will smell it instantly.
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            Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

            I can do the iWriter or similar paid articles, but is there a suggested post count, or just keep it regular?
            Ok.. this thread is starting to sort of p*ss me off lol!

            If you must acquire your content from "Article" sources, REWRITE the "Article"!!

            Original article:

            "GE's latest camera GE A950 Digital Camera lending 9.1 MP resolution, 5X optical zoom, 2.5" high-definition LCD display with GE's latest automatic Brightness regulating technology, and a comfortable sharing whenever you need, is a best option for your photographic needs.

            This latest model is adding face and blinking recognition feature and supports the snaps drawing fun of a highly advanced stage."

            Rewritten article:

            "Hey guys, Jim here.. just wanted to talk about my cool new camera I just bought today! It's a GE A950 with 9.1 MP resolution, 5X optical zoom, and everything! It's cool cause it has facial recognition features which makes it super easy to take a pic of my family and not have it come out all fuzzy! "

            There. Done in about 10 minutes. Not rocket science.

            Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

            I don't want the work of building these things out to be wasted, so de-indexing would suck.
            No sh*t
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    • Profile picture of the author jezter6
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Bottom line is why spend the money and time on domains and build them into a private network if you are just going to fill them with junk content that makes them stick out like a sore thumb?

      A private network is an investment. It's a money making machine that you should take care of.
      Most people can't do that with a money site let alone one they buy just for ranking.


      Of course, as soon as someone mentions using content mills and cheap freelancing services, or even the thought of using a specific number of cheap outsourced articles...might as well let them trash their own networks because they're not going to get your point.
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    • Profile picture of the author multiplecloud
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Bottom line is why spend the money and time on domains and build them into a private network if you are just going to fill them with junk content that makes them stick out like a sore thumb?

      A private network is an investment. It's a money making machine that you should take care of.
      That's true. Spending a lot dollar for domain PR. So it need to take care about good content. I still believe in quality. So just add good content and not important that network need to be update frequently.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tony Briggs
    This is my strategy that I use on my high PR PBN sites:

    1. Post at least one high quality unique 750 - 1000 word article on each site per month.

    2. Do NOT link out to anything from this article. You want to keep your link juice going to your money site.

    By performing this very short monthly task, it keeps your sites fresh in Google eyes.
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    • Profile picture of the author SEO Power
      Originally Posted by Tony Briggs View Post

      This is my strategy that I use on my high PR PBN sites:

      1. Post at least one high quality unique 750 - 1000 word article on each site per month.

      2. Do NOT link out to anything from this article. You want to keep your link juice going to your money site.

      By performing this very short monthly task, it keeps your sites fresh in Google eyes.
      There's a big footprint in your strategy - not linking out.

      Make sure each article links out to authority sites relevant to that article.
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    • Profile picture of the author PBMax
      Originally Posted by Tony Briggs View Post

      This is my strategy that I use on my high PR PBN sites:

      2. Do NOT link out to anything from this article. You want to keep your link juice going to your money site.

      By performing this very short monthly task, it keeps your sites fresh in Google eyes.
      If you never link out to your money sites, where's the payoff?
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    I would write more articles and made my site like authority site.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    If you are building a blog style network site, I agree with Mike. The more natural, the better.

    On the other hand if you are building something designed to be more of a resource site, that may not work. For example, if I am building a site that covers the topic of health insurance, I'm not going to have it setup as a blog at all. There are going to be informative articles under different sections like Medicare, Medicare supplements, private health insurance, HMO's, etc.

    I might add a blog to the site too that occasionally posts some stuff out things going on in the news like the latest with Obamacare, etc. Those are probably not going to be articles I'm going to link out from though either except maybe some internal links.

    It all depends on the style and theme you choose for the network site. I rarely setup "blogs" anymore though.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      If you are building a blog style network site, I agree with Mike. The more natural, the better.

      On the other hand if you are building something designed to be more of a resource site, that may not work. For example, if I am building a site that covers the topic of health insurance, I'm not going to have it setup as a blog at all. There are going to be informative articles under different sections like Medicare, Medicare supplements, private health insurance, HMO's, etc.
      Yes my example was for blogs (which about 90% of the people I see using PBNs use) but even for non blogs the standard articles at Iwriter/hirewriters in my opinion are not going to fool anyone. Those do not come off as resource site material as the writer does minimal research and is unlikely to really know the material. Once you drop the links in there it looks rather obvious. Even if the site is on another CMs and doesn't have that PBN look it still can get dinged for selling links.

      Like you when I go HTMl sites for my PBNs I don't do blog type things at all but then I still don't just use articles. Factoids bullet lists are added as well.

      However to be honest its rare to see people go away from WP. Of the hundreds I taught how to build PBNs I saw maybe three people who mixed it up like I suggested.

      So for the vast majority you are better letting your writers at iwriter and hitrewriters etc use a more personalized style and actually blog rather than try to have them try and fail to come off as looking natural with the common article order.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Yes my example was for blogs (which about 90% of the people I see using PBNs use) but even for non blogs the standard articles at Iwriter/hirewriters in my opinion are not going to fool anyone. Those do not come off as resource site material as the writer does minimal research and is unlikely to really know the material. Once you drop the links in there it looks rather obvious. Even if the site is on another CMs and doesn't have that PBN look it still can get dinged for selling links.

        Like you when I go HTMl sites for my PBNs I don't do blog type things at all but then I still don't just use articles. Factoids bullet lists are added as well.

        However to be honest its rare to see people go away from WP. Of the hundreds I taught how to build PBNs I saw maybe three people who mixed it up like I suggested.

        So for the vast majority you are better letting your writers at iwriter and hitrewriters etc use a more personalized style and actually blog rather than try to have them try and fail to come off as looking natural with the common article order.
        This is not directed at you at all, but F iWriter. I don't know why anyone uses them. Nothing but garbage content. There are far better content sources out there.

        For my resource stuff, I give my writers a lot of directives. Sometimes I'll tell them to add some bullet points, I'll give them statistics to use or instruct them to find some statistics around a certain topic, I'll tell them to quote sources with links, etc. The articles end up looking almost like a mini research paper sometimes. You have to do that though that if you want them to give you good stuff.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          This is not directed at you at all, but F iWriter. I don't know why anyone uses them. Nothing but garbage content. There are far better content sources out there.
          I don't use them but I have found a few good writers at Hirewriters. Takes awhile and you can fav them and then only send to them. But heres the bottom line - economics. I doubt the OP is going to continue to pay writers to do research take instructions etc. There ARE some decent writers on some of these services (I bet even on Iwriter) but at the price most want to pay asking them to do great research isn't going to fly. At those prices they are going to wing it. If you take that out and let them write about their own experiences with your niche in a personal style you get much better work. their style, humor and voice comes out.

          I do agree if you have spent hundreds of dollars or using domains that cost hundreds of dollars (PR4+) that you should pony up and invest on content but for many bringing the writer something they can write well about is the better economical choice
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          • Profile picture of the author PBMax
            Screw it. Interesting in procuring spots on existing sites in my niche instead. Who has something solid they want to let me in on?

            I've had several people approach me with their PBNs, but I've only selected a few to go with. While I don't know everything there is to know about a PBN, I do know...

            1. Each site needs to be on it's on host provider, let alone IP address with differing class A, B, C (and D?)

            2. Unique, conversational, consistent voice of the article that doesn't come off as a wannabe wiki article. The PBN owner will want to write the articles themselves.

            3. Really low OBL.

            4. I want front page love for at least my main KW and a naked URL in the article (naturally inserted, of course) but my other links can take the course of a natural post.

            5. High DA (and an existing high PR is cool, too)

            I think that's about it.
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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

              Screw it. Interesting in procuring spots on existing sites in my niche instead. Who has something solid they want to let me in on?

              I've had several people approach me with their PBNs, but I've only selected a few to go with. While I don't know everything there is to know about a PBN, I do know...

              1. Each site needs to be on it's on host provider, let alone IP address with differing class A, B, C (and D?)

              2. Unique, conversational, consistent voice of the article that doesn't come off as a wannabe wiki article. The PBN owner will want to write the articles themselves.

              3. Really low OBL.

              4. I want front page love for at least my main KW and a naked URL in the article (naturally inserted, of course) but my other links can take the course of a natural post.

              5. High DA (and an existing high PR is cool, too)

              I think that's about it.
              You think that's gonna be cheaper? I doubt it.

              Instead of focusing on how real it might look to manual reviewers you might want to think about how large the risk really is to get busted.

              I had the most crappy set up sites linking out to 100's of sites from short 100 words posts survive for over 2.5 years simply cause they're hosted at solid shared hosts. The risk of deindexation is so incredibly small that it's hardly worth it to take all the effort making it look real.

              Sure if you just have one money site to rank for a long time to come and you shell out hundreds of dollars per domain, then it's worth it to do it properly of course but if you plan to buy cheap domains it makes zero sense to put in all the extra effort.

              There's also another decent alternative: Recovering dropped domains using archive.org (wayback machine)

              Worse that can happen is a warning to take the site down (read the laws about it and you'll see that's what the law suggests people to do first who deal with copyright infrigment),

              When you recover the site just make sure you leave out crucial information like names / addresses and that type of things and obvious honor the request to take the site down and reuse it again in a different setup (your own theme / content etc). The risk of any possible copyright issue's can already be brought down hugely by being selective when picking domains.

              I found a site that features some sport event, sponsored by Samsung, I just removed their logo's from the theme and such or any reference to them. Obvious there was no samsung in the domain name present or I wouldn't even have bought it as they might claim the domain back.

              Anyway, my re-designed service matches 4 of your wishes very well, but we don't take the extra effort to make the sites look real as it's simply not worth the effort. As about low OBL, some domains just 1 OBL, others 5 OBL (never more), see sig link.
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              • Profile picture of the author PBMax
                I've found some awesome prices on monthly PBN space, and then some one-timers. I LOVE the idea of having my own empire of small niche sites to take over the galaxy with (why Darth Vader didn't want to take over the universe I'll never understand...) BUT that's a ton of work and I'm not the man to take all the time to do so.

                I do believe the site has to look niche-legit in order for it to do well. Now, I'm not fooling myself into thinking people are gonna hit up these PBN sites and get daily traffic, but random IRS audits happen and so do manual Google checks - so why risk your client's site?
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                • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                  Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

                  I've found some awesome prices on monthly PBN space, and then some one-timers. I LOVE the idea of having my own empire of small niche sites to take over the galaxy with (why Darth Vader didn't want to take over the universe I'll never understand...) BUT that's a ton of work and I'm not the man to take all the time to do so.

                  I do believe the site has to look niche-legit in order for it to do well. Now, I'm not fooling myself into thinking people are gonna hit up these PBN sites and get daily traffic, but random IRS audits happen and so do manual Google checks - so why risk your client's site?
                  If these random Google checks are such a risk then why haven't I lost a single domain on shared hosting plans? I've ranked 1000's of clients. You'd think there are more then a few who've had manual checks don't you think? Still nothing deindexed. You only rank 1 site I suppose, wow that makes your chance of deindexation less with a factor 1000 then.

                  Don't get me wrong, I have nothing against making a PBN site look real, but really don't talk about risks as they are almost non-existent. Heck the chance to win the lottery is even higher.

                  Mike Anthony also likes to talk about risks lately, probably part of his sales efforts to give his service a unique angle, while at the same time stating that he's seeing the worse setup networks still being indexed in response to someone that claims Google can take all networks down with it's algorithm (which is not the case luckily).
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                  • Profile picture of the author PBMax
                    nik0- So you're suggesting that, say, 10 sites with different IPs spread across the globe, but same host provider, with decent content is fine? No need for tediously making the site look like anything but a default WP blog or creating social media profiles for each site to make things look legit?

                    Plus in this thread http://www.warriorforum.com/search-e...-1st-time.html...

                    It seems you ARE very concerned with deindexation of sites. You spell out quite an obstacle course to run in order to avoid the Google axe.
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                    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                      Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

                      nik0- So you're suggesting that, say, 10 sites with different IPs spread across the globe, but same host provider, with decent content is fine? No need for tediously making the site look like anything but a default WP blog or creating social media profiles for each site to make things look legit?

                      Plus in this thread http://www.warriorforum.com/search-e...-1st-time.html...

                      It seems you ARE very concerned with deindexation of sites. You spell out quite an obstacle course to run in order to avoid the Google axe.
                      Did I say anything about hosting? That's a way of putting words into someone's mouth.

                      I don't remember me saying anything about default WP either, not that it will get you deindexed automatically but it only takes a second to pick a random theme so it would be silly not to do that. There is something like CSS footprints so having links from sites that have the exact same CSS leaves a footprint and can have a negative effect on your rankings.

                      Obvious there are things that do matter to prevent being deindexed, making a site look real is hardly one of them.

                      SEO hosting and the exact same OBL patterns among multiple sites is what gets sites deindexed on massive scales. What an obstacle is that!!!!! All the rest that was written is purely to find decent domains, maybe you missed that point.

                      Why SEO hosting? Cause Google is specifically going after these hosts to deindex networks on a large scale, as it's so damny easy for them. Besides that, many large networks use SEO hosts so when Google go's after one of these there can be a lot of collatoral damage so these should be avoided at all costs.

                      Let me tell you something else as it seems you're totally brainwashed by some long term members in an attempt to sell their superior guides lol.

                      I had 20 domains on SEO hosting, with random themes and the doomed "articles" so to say. However these articles were hyper relevant to the domains, eg personal injury article on personalinjuryla.com, I didn't do any additional effort to make these sites look real. They all survived a manual review (despite being on SEO hosts) simply cause the content matched with the domain. So sure, if you make a site look real, on a domain that could be used for anything for example a person's name like Nik0.com then it can survive a manual review on an SEO host, however it would be a lot easier to just avoid the SEO host so you don't have to worry about all the extra effort and costs.
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                      • Profile picture of the author PBMax
                        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                        Did I say anything about hosting? That's a way of putting words into someone's mouth.

                        I don't remember me saying anything about default WP either.

                        Obvious there are things that do matter to prevent being deindexed, making a site look real is hardly one of them.

                        SEO hosting and the exact same OBL patterns among multiple sites is what gets sites deindexed on massive scales.
                        Didn't mean to insinuate you mentioned a WP template, but you did mention SEO hosting. Either way, no need to get worked up. My apologies. We good?

                        Okay, now that we're good...is Host9 an SEO host provider?
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                        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                          Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

                          Didn't mean to insinuate you mentioned a WP template, but you did mention SEO hosting. Either way, no need to get worked up. My apologies. We good?

                          Okay, now that we're good...is Host9 an SEO host provider?
                          Yes it is so is IdeaStack and a bunch of other heavily abused multi IP / reseller hosts.

                          Not cause they advertise as such but cause they've been suggested by tons of IM'ers and thus are a cheap alternative.

                          I would avoid IX-Webhosting as well btw.

                          I edited my posts btw, read it I would say.
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                          • Profile picture of the author PBMax
                            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                            Yes it is so is IdeaStack and a bunch of other heavily abused multi IP / reseller hosts.

                            Not cause they advertise as such but cause they've been suggested by tons of IM'ers and thus are a cheap alternative.

                            I would avoid IX-Webhosting as well btw.

                            I edited my posts btw, read it I would say.
                            So you survived using an SEO host, so I guess it really doesn't matter what host you use as long as the articles match the niche. I do that anyway because I want contextual and relevant links to clients from sites that make sense to link.

                            Just choose one client per handful of sites, or at least vary the link outs.
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                            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                              Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

                              So you survived using an SEO host, so I guess it really doesn't matter what host you use as long as the articles match the niche.
                              PBM your choice your site but Nik0 is selling you a whole bunch of hueey in the hope you sign up with him. PBNs on Seo hosting are not the only domains to be deindexed and articles matching the niche never stopped google EVER from penalizing a site for selling links. Thats Malarkey.

                              Use your common sense rather than Nik0's sales spiel. does it make any sense to you that Google sees a site in a manual review, sees anchor text in all the posts (or mosts) to different websites but determines that the site is not selling links just because they are all in one broader niche?

                              None. nada nyet. Anybody telling you that making your PBN sites look natural is not a good goal for a PBN is blowing smoke to suit themselves.
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                              • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                Use your common sense rather than Nik0's sales spiel. does it make any sense to you that Google sees a site in a manual review, sees anchor text in all the posts (or mosts) to different websites but determines that the site is not selling links just because they are all in one broader niche?
                                These domains were exclusively setup for clients and only one of the articles had a link back to the clients site.

                                I'm not talking about broad niche sites here linking out to many websites as you seem to assume.


                                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                None. nada nyet. Anybody telling you that making your PBN sites look natural is not a good goal for a PBN is blowing smoke to suit themselves.
                                Lol this is what I said:

                                Sure if you just have one money site to rank for a long time to come and you shell out hundreds of dollars per domain, then it's worth it to do it properly of course but if you plan to buy cheap domains it makes zero sense to put in all the extra effort.

                                Quite a bit different then how you make it sound But we're used to that from you....
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                                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                  Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                  Quite a bit different then how you make it sound But we're used to that from you....
                                  Dude your skills at lying are impressive but transparent

                                  Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                  Obvious there are things that do matter to prevent being deindexed, making a site look real is hardly one of them.
                                  Whose stating the goal of making your site looking natural is not beneficial to protecting it

                                  Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                  Let me tell you something else as it seems you're totally brainwashed by some long term members in an attempt to sell their superior guides lol.
                                  Whose trying to take a slap at Mike's course that teaches how to protect networks by making them look natural

                                  Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                  I had 20 domains on SEO hosting, with random themes and the doomed "articles" so to say. However these articles were hyper relevant to the domains, eg personal injury article on personalinjuryla.com, I didn't do any additional effort to make these sites look real. They all survived a manual review (despite being on SEO hosts) simply cause the content matched with the domain. So sure, if you make a site look real, on a domain that could be used for anything for example a person's name like Nik0.com then it can survive a manual review on an SEO host, however it would be a lot easier to just avoid the SEO host so you don't have to worry about all the extra effort and costs.
                                  Whose trying to say that as long as you dont use SEO hosts its no big deal to bother with going the extra effort and costs of making your site look natural

                                  What to lie some more? but like you said.....we've become accustomed to that from you.....
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                                  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                    Dude your skills at lying are impressive but transparent

                                    Whose stating the goal of making your site looking natural is not beneficial to protecting it

                                    Whose trying to take a slap at Mike's course that teaches how to protect networks by making them look natural

                                    Whose trying to say that as long as you dont use SEO hosts its no big deal to bother with going the extra effort and costs of making your site look natural

                                    What to lie some more? but like you said.....we've become accustomed to that from you.....
                                    Are that really lies?

                                    I don't think so, the risk is nihil at best and I also pointed out what the real risks are.

                                    You and Mike F are exaggarating the risk big time to make people feel like it's a must to buy your services / guides and that's the only truth behind it.

                                    Nice sales pitch.

                                    Exaggarating such a tiny risk and to think writing in a personal tone is reducing the risk is just funny at best

                                    PBMax seems to understand it best of all, he's looking for domains hyper relevant to his niche, will host it on shared hosting plans if he's smart, and then he can publish any type of content (wiki style articles or whatever) and be 99.999999 percent risk free (yes my percent sign on my keyboard is broken, sucks).

                                    Enjoy publishing realtor content on a site about plumbers and telling people that it's 100 percent risk free. Laughable at best.

                                    I'm out!
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                                    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                                      Lol I just explained it to my Thai boyfriend in easy terms:

                                      - Darling does it look natural to have a story about dogs on a domain that was used to sell TV's and thus a lot of links from other sites about TV's?

                                      His answer: No

                                      There you go, so keep on preaching what you want, and keep on making efforts to disguise the fact that the site was about something completely different. No matter what you do, it only takes one solid manual reviewer and you're toast as well.

                                      But hey lucky for you (and for me), manual reviews that look deep into your backlinks hardly ever happen, unless they are hunting for some PBN sites while going through SEO hosting IP's. Do you even know that most manual penalties are based on site quality issue's like thin content and not about the links? Ever wondered why? Cause the algorithm takes care of the links. Surprise surprise.

                                      So if there is one person telling lies that they are all safe and well then it's you.
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                                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                        Lol I just explained it to my Thai boyfriend
                                        I guess that settles it eh? Your boyfriend is the authority on SEO. the real brains behind the operations. lol

                                        You and Mike F are exaggarating the risk big time to make people feel like it's a must to buy your services / guides and that's the only truth behind it.

                                        Nice sales pitch.
                                        ROFl..when caught with your hand in the cookie jar always try and point somewhere else and scream "look over there". You are the one trying desperately to convince everyone you have the way Google deindexes sites down so they will buy links on your public sold to anyone and used by anyone PBN service even though almost everyone is certain that Google buys into services to deindex many of the public ones.

                                        I'd say nice sales pitch but only to newbs

                                        I'll speak for Mike's course and show you as silly. The only people buying Mike's course are going all in to invest in top of the line domains. No one buying cheap domains will spring for the training. So to critique his training cocerning protecting doamins is to claim that someone should buy PR5 ad PR6s and not care about content on them after spending hundreds and thousands buying them

                                        totally idiotic. Take a bow.

                                        By the way...tell your boyfriend that sites with links go offline and expire all the time and are bought by people a month later, a year later , five year later by people NOT building a PBN and many times used completely differently. None are penalized for the site having links before. nada.
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                                        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                          By the way...tell your boyfriend that sites with links go offline and expire all the time and are bought by people a month later, a year later , five year later by people NOT building a PBN and many times used completely differently. None are penalized for the site having links before. nada.
                                          ROFL you really believe that?

                                          You really think people end up regularly buying domains that are zero relevant to their niche?

                                          What you think they buy based on?

                                          Hey I see rowflow available, let's buy it to start mynew lawyer agency and not cause my business has anything to do with rowing.

                                          The only times that some people buy a domain that is not keyword heavy is cause they might have the same name. How often does that really happen.
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                                          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                            ROFL you really believe that?

                                            You really think people end up regularly buying domains that are zero relevant to their niche?
                                            Dude I am sorry you are a nit. yes of course. people buy generic domains to brand all the time that are used differently. You think like a second rate marketer so you never think of anything outside of keywords.

                                            So if a company uses Blue river or Dove or Amazon or the big beagle as its Name it has to be about its niche? Sheesh. Is target.com about shooting? Another big one is first and last names - they all have to have the same interests based on their Common names? Think.

                                            Part of your problem is you talk about PBNs all the time like you know your stuff when you have little experience besides buying through your broker. Thats why you know so little about the subject.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author PBMax
                                      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                      PBMax seems to understand it best of all, he's looking for domains hyper relevant to his niche, will host it on shared hosting plans if he's smart, and then he can publish any type of content (wiki style articles or whatever) and be 99.999999 percent risk free (yes my percent sign on my keyboard is broken, sucks).
                                      Right on. This is pretty much what I was planning on doing, minus using a shared hosting plan - but I'll look into that.

                                      The only things I'm not sure about are:

                                      1. Sticky post on homepage with 1 or 2 links to a client?

                                      2. 1 in 4 posts link to client; 1 in 4 posts link to authority site?
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                                      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                                        Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

                                        Right on. This was pretty much was I was planning on doing, minus using a shared hosting plan - but I'll look into that.

                                        The only things I'm not sure about are:

                                        1. Sticky post on homepage with 1 or 2 links to a client?

                                        2. 1 in 4 posts link to client; 1 in 4 posts link to authority site?
                                        You got it covered, but DO use these shared hosting plans, really don't expose your sites to these manual reviews that will happen on regular base (trust me I had it multiple times and maybe I was lucky to survive with some sites, who shall say), it takes a bit more work at first but hey we don't get paid for nothing.

                                        The only reason I don't link out from the homepage every single time is cause it's not natural, might leave footprints for Penguin to detect.

                                        The sites that survived on the SEO host linked out from 1 out of 4 articles to the client site, we didn't link out to authority sites, that's just a waste of link juice imo.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                      PBMax seems to understand it best of all, he's looking for domains hyper relevant to his niche, will host it on shared hosting plans if he's smart, and then he can publish any type of content (wiki style articles or whatever) and be 99.999999 percent risk free (yes my percent sign on my keyboard is broken, sucks).
                                      Errr durrrr.... beeen doing that FOR YEARS but faster than that is to buy generic domains with mostly URL links which convey the same juice with little anchor text since there are many niches that will take you forever to find great domains and the niche anchor text.

                                      Maybe you do need a course. You wouldn't think all these things were new or novel.

                                      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                      Oh he've seen one or two sites being deindexed on shared hosting plans.

                                      Doesn't matter pal, that's 1 out of a 1000 maybe. Hardly a risk.
                                      Earth to Nik0 never said oe or two.

                                      And who knows what those deindexed domains did wrong besides functioning as a PBN, perhaps spun content?
                                      BZZZZZ wrong

                                      Or perhaps the sites had the same OBL profiles on a whole bunch of sites, another huge killer
                                      BZZZZ wrong.


                                      : Few days ago I increased the price of my service to $199/month, priced myself out of the (forum) market as I'm not neccessarily looking for more customers. You should check to see what they get for the money. Time to rank some real shit.
                                      Thanks you for of your classic ads. You keep forgetting I've seen almost your entire network. I dont need to check what they get. I already know.
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                                      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                                        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post


                                        Earth to Nik0 never said oe or two.

                                        BZZZZZ wrong

                                        BZZZZ wrong.


                                        Thanks you for of your classic ads. You keep forgetting I've seen almost your entire network. I dont need to check what they get. I already know.
                                        WOW, you're even more clueless then I thought.

                                        Good luck, you'll need it.

                                        Stay up to date Mikey, you've seen nothing yet. Well not completely nothing, just the old PR3/PR4 blog post network with 100 words/post. Maybe you should check the new sales thread and notice that these type of links are not used anymore in this new service. Heck you only need to check my signature to realize that.
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                            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                              Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

                              So you survived using an SEO host, so I guess it really doesn't matter what host you use as long as the articles match the niche. I do that anyway because I want contextual and relevant links to clients from sites that make sense to link.

                              Just choose one client per handful of sites, or at least vary the link outs.
                              Yes if your sites look real and the content is highly relevant to what the domain used to be about then the risk is very small. Unless I had a sleepy manual reviewer or something.

                              Still better avoid SEO hosts anyway, my example is not meant as guidance lol, normal shared hosts are about the same price as SEO hosts so there is no reason to use them.

                              I used them in the past cause I already had dozens of shared hosting plans and it became quite an effort to keep track of all, also some shared hosts only allow so many addon domains and that type of things so I got lazy and got some additional SEO hosts. Now I've ditched them all and just bought a few dozen additional shared hosting plans. Makes me sleep better.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                    Mike Anthony also likes to talk about risks lately, probably part of his sales efforts to give his service a unique angle, while at the same time stating that he's seeing the worse setup networks still being indexed in response to someone that claims Google can take all networks down with it's algorithm (which is not the case luckily).
                    ROFL...You really have the nerve to make that statement about me when you are trying to convince the OP who you now know is looking for a service provider that deindexations is rare even though you admit elsewhere to having FIFTY DOMAINS DEINDEXED.

                    and um just left out that Google has started penalizing sites using PBNs that have been deindexed. My man Nik0 never a sale he won't try to save or make.

                    but don't freaking lie about my other thread to try and make a sale for yourself. My other thread talks about deindexing by an ALGO. It at no place states deindexing is a rare event no one should be worried about. Thats just garbaaaage you are spouting.
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                    • Profile picture of the author PBMax
                      Crazy times up in here. I realize that 99% of IM talk is misinformation (because who wants to help their potential comp, right?) but man, there are POLAR OPPOSITE schools of thought here.

                      I will say that 2 years ago I had a 60 blog PBN that had a PR drop across the board. I used My Article Builder, dropped the post URL in SENukeXCr and hit the automatic button. Machine gunned links, most never got indexed, lots of SEnuke-built crap sites disappeared almost as fast as they appeared. I used the same hosting provider, spreading the IPs out as far as I could.

                      All articles were niche-specific (duh) but even though the rankings always hovered between good and great, a dark cloud was always looming and when the PRs dropped, I panicked and switched gears.

                      Perhaps I should've stuck in out, but who knows where I'd be now?

                      Either way, I'm trying to decide whether or not to buy links in an existing PBN, or build my own. According to Nik0 it's a snap after you find a decent domain, according to Mike, it's an uphill battle.

                      Who's right?
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                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                        Originally Posted by PBMax View Post


                        Either way, I'm trying to decide whether or not to buy links in an existing PBN, or build my own. According to Nik0 it's a snap after you find a decent domain, according to Mike, it's an uphill battle.

                        Who's right?
                        You can go either way but If I were renting links I'd rent them at under a hundred dollars per month. almost all of them the link will roll off when you stop paying so a year from now you would spend $1200 and have nothing lasting.

                        Do the maths.

                        While NIk0 is lying to you that I am trying to spout something for my own offer let me say it straight. I have a pretty good idea of who really is not for my service and i don't think you are . I don't think you want the responsibility of running your own even though its more powerful to have sites you control. With everything theres a trade off. I just think you should look around because paying over a hundred for rental doesn't add up over time as cost effective.
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                        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          You can go either way but If I were renting links I'd rent them at under a hundred dollars per month. almost all of them the link will roll off when you stop paying so a year from now you would spend $1200 and have nothing lasting.
                          That's what happens when you rent, if you rent a car for a year they don't let you keep it either do they?
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                          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                            That's what happens when you rent, if you rent a car for a year they don't let you keep it either do they?
                            Thats why no one goes to a rent a car and rents a car for a year. They go to a car dealer that sells them so they won or at leases them the option to buy at the end.

                            Good night shot yourself in the foot with your own analogy.
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                            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                              Thats why no one goes to a rent a car and rents a car for a year. They go to a car dealer that sells them so they won or at leases them the option to buy at the end.

                              Good night shot yourself in the foot with your own analogy.
                              Tell that to 90 percent of the offline SEO companies that rank clients using a private network.

                              But yeah I agree, renting long time is not a very efficient way to handle your money, too bad there aren't any solid done-for-you alternatives. Besides a few people selling "weakish" domains, no offense but do you see anyone selling PR4+ domains all setup with content and all included?

                              I could if I really wanted but first I don't expect to land much customers, secondly it wouldn't be very profitable as these domains alone cost me $250+ each, add the time / content / hosting and what not and to make a decent margin I would have to sell for at the very least $500,-/domain. Most people don't like to shell out thousands of dollars at a time, especially not the type of people that aren't very familiar with it and the effect of such links while those are the ones looking for a done for you solution.

                              Besides that, rent isn't such a bad concept, domains lose links over time, no doubt about that, so it's not a one time investment and be done forever like some make it sound. Take a look at the domains after 2 years and see what's left of the PR4 (especially when the domains are repurposed), oh and save me the blablabla of looking for links on forgotten pages.

                              Damn wasting hours here, back to work!
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                              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                Maybe you should check the new sales thread and notice that these type of links are not used anymore in this new service. Heck you only need to check my signature to realize that.
                                Why should I check your sig? I don't need your service and I have never recommended your service. if people want a good solid Network or SEO service they shoud check Mike Friedman or go into Warrior for hire and find services with far more good reviews than you and from providers that haven't been banned like two or three times for self promoting in this forum like you have been.

                                I need to keep up? Maybe you need to. Or didn't you figure out that unless you lost ALL your old clients anyone can look up anything new from the old. So blow smoke at someone else. seen it - not impressed.

                                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                Tell that to 90 percent of the offline SEO companies that rank clients using a private network.
                                Don't need to - the good ones own their own not rent.

                                Besides a few people selling "weakish" domains, no offense but do you see anyone selling PR4+ domains all setup with content and all included?
                                Sure do. but almost all of those that do including myself do it as custom package not listed on our sites. Meanwhile for all your talk of weakish some of the weakish are stronger than what you offer because they don't have to slap the amount of links on the domains that you do dividing all the link juice. PLus thoe links don;t need to roll off.

                                Part of your game every time you get on this subject is to pretend like your clients really get Pr5 links when what they get is a PR5 link divided up by all the diffeent links you sell on it which fades as the post rides into PR ZERO. but umm why confuse people with OBL right? lol


                                Besides that, rent isn't such a bad concept, domains lose links over time, no doubt about that, so it's not a one time investment and be done forever like some make it sound. Take a look at the domains after 2 years and see what's left of the PR4 (especially when the domains are repurposed), oh and save me the blablabla of looking for links on forgotten pages.
                                Again you don't do your own research of the market so you just blow smoke. You buy almost everything through a broker. I have had Pr5s that lasted FOR YEARS and some that have their PR6 link s STILL in place. Plus its much easier and cheaper to build back up an old domain than start over.

                                Besides your way of approaching things comes with a HUGE risk in that Google is well known to go after public rented networks. You are wide open and can't tell anyone truthfully that tomorrow someone won't sign up for your service that will be the undoing of everyone that shares the same sites. shucks without a doubt some of your own customers will turn links over to the disavow list with your resources to google and have probably done it already.

                                Leave all those tidbits out didn't you? but MikeF and I are doing sales pitches eh?
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                                • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                  Why should I check your sig? I don't need your service and I have never recommended your service. if people want a good solid Network or SEO service they shoud check Mike Friedman or go into Warrior for hire and find services with far more good reviews than you and from providers that haven't been banned like two or three times for self promoting in this forum like you have been.

                                  I need to keep up? Maybe you need to. Or didn't you figure out that unless you lost ALL your old clients anyone can look up anything new from the old. So blow smoke at someone else. seen it - not impressed.



                                  Don't need to - the good ones own their own not rent.



                                  Sure do. but almost all of those that do including myself do it as custom package not listed on our sites. Meanwhile for all your talk of weakish some of the weakish are stronger than what you offer because they don't have to slap the amount of links on the domains that you do dividing all the link juice. PLus thoe links don;t need to roll off.

                                  Part of your game every time you get on this subject is to pretend like your clients really get Pr5 links when what they get is a PR5 link divided up by all the diffeent links you sell on it which fades as the post rides into PR ZERO. but umm why confuse people with OBL right? lol




                                  Again you don't do your own research of the market so you just blow smoke. You buy almost everything through a broker. I have had Pr5s that lasted FOR YEARS and some that have their PR6 link s STILL in place. Plus its much easier and cheaper to build back up an old domain than start over.

                                  Besides your way of approaching things comes with a HUGE risk in that Google is well known to go after public rented networks. You are wide open and can't tell anyone truthfully that tomorrow someone won't sign up for your service that will be the undoing of everyone that shares the same sites. shucks without a doubt some of your own customers will turn links over to the disavow list with your resources to google and have probably done it already.

                                  Leave all those tidbits out didn't you? but MikeF and I are doing sales pitches eh?
                                  Lol that's exactly why you should look up my sales thread as you're spreading all kind of misinformation about it.

                                  As Google changes things so do we.

                                  Does domains shared with just 4 others start to ring any bells? Hello there????? Aren't you offering anything similar but then based on PR2 / MozRank 3 metrics? LMFAO here

                                  Do you even realize that a PR4 domain is about 64 times stronger then a PR2, or 300+ times stronger then a PR1? Ok let's divide that by factor 5 cause of the OBL, that means only 15 times or 60 times stronger. If it are even PR1's or PR2's cause I only see Moz metrics mentioned from these type of sellers.

                                  But no, you will never offer something like that cause you're hell scared you'll lose your investment so instead you refrain to weak crap that you pick up for $10 and that will never rank for anything medium competitive.

                                  Did you know I see tons of domains on weekly base that have MozRank / MozTrust metrics as high as 3-4 with not a single PR link to back it up? Hmm wonder for how much these go these days. Maybe it's a quite lucrative business selling garbage domains with high metrics, but I'll leave that to others

                                  Nice ey? Attacking each others services, however my attacks are based on facts, and yours are based on guesses of how we used to do things. That's why I said multiple times, click on that sig so that you know what you're talking about.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                    Does domains shared with just 4 others start to ring any bells? Hello there????? Aren't you offering anything similar but then based on PR2 / MozRank 3 metrics? LMFAO here
                                    Yes I know you copied the concept from me (just like MikeF and I taught you PBNs a couple years back) because you don't have an original thought in your head but you see poor soul as I have explained to you

                                    A) its a trial for those who don't know about PBNs
                                    B) I tell them owning is the better option while you rent to them for life and let their investment roll like a fat kid down a hill the minute they stop paying you $200 a month
                                    C) I don't make any pure garbage argument that the retail service is safe from Google or rented links are seldom penalized like you do. In fact I've told everyone what any experienced person knows - Google goes after and slaps rental services like yours constantly and renting now can get sites penalized. You have too many exposure points, too many clients using the same resources and on any given day they will submit your sites to a disavow list presenting them to google. Poof!! gone.

                                    In short you have a nerve starting after MikeF and me in this thread (and start it YOU did but are crying now because you got back answers you don't like) when his course costs one time $200, Mine costs two payments of $200 and you keep hitting clients for $200 every month for rental service links which EVERYONE knows is the one PBN setup google goes after and even patrols forums looking for such services to deindex.

                                    Worse like a fool because neither MikeF or I expose our higher tier networks to Forum sales you claim I am scared because I dont advertise my higher tier network on the very forums Google is known to watch to find networks to deindex. ROFL

                                    Do you even realize that a PR4 domain is about 64 times stronger then a PR2,
                                    ROFL......TOTAL SALES BS. Most studies done have shown a five times increase per Pagerank increase that would be 25 not 64 times. Here go do some reading

                                    What is a Link Worth?

                                    Well, we can't say what a PR1 link or a PR2 link is worth in absolute terms, since the equation measures the "average" value of links on the web. However, the slope of the equation is the same regardless of how you value a PR1 link, so we can say with some confidence that each level link is worth (drum roll please.....) 5.14 times the previous level. Those old-time SEOs armed with the PageRank paper calculations were not too far off with their estimates of 5.5 after all!
                                    LOL...try and Fool the newbs Nik0 its what you do. PR has not been updated in a year thats why many people now go with other metrics not because they offer PR1s. Do you know how many PR3s and PR4 and even PR5s are out there almost every day that have lost all their links??? Nah because your broker didn't tell you. While we are on the subject I wonder where your brokers get their domains?? Your problem is you swear that everyone is getting their domains from Hayden's method because thats all you know. Problem is

                                    You don't know squat.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                      Yes I know you copied the concept from me (just like MikeF and I taught you PBNs a couple years back) because you don't have an original thought in your head but you see poor soul as I have explained to you
                                      Good morning

                                      I'm not sure whether its 5 or 8 times, read a long time ago that it's 8 times but whatever, searchenginejournal is also just a source that doesn't mean much in the real world.

                                      Mike and you didn't teach me PBNs btw, BMR / ALN / High PR society did, while they got deindexed quite fast my network is still intact after 2.5 years, yes there were a few deindexes here and there due to SEO hosting but nothing that really caused a major impact as it was max 10 percent of domains and as clients only used to receive links at max 25 percent of my network the impact wasn't very large and it was quickly replaced.

                                      As for the new approach, Google seems to be after links on pages next to a dozen or so other irrelvant links (same like they classify most bookmark sites, web directories and spammed blog comments as spam).

                                      Earlier that wasn't an issue, Penguin 3.0 made it an issue so I had to redesign my service.

                                      I saw that clients with a decent portion of relevant links didn't tank so the logical choice was to add relevant links (earlier I had web2.0's and some other things in mind but on second though it isn't worth it to pay good money for content to post it on a PR n/a page), and what suits better then domains solely dedicated to clients, while busy with that I obvious had the costs in mind and thus the hyper relevant domains idea was born as i could just restore the content from the wayback machine. Win win situation really as I can't make it look any more legit then that.

                                      Then we obvious need some power, I have about 250 idle domains that are on average PR2, makes no sense to post multiple clients on such sites as PR2 isn't very much so that's where those 5 dedicated domains per client comes from. It's like all the puzzle pieces fall together.

                                      On top of that I had set up a pure HTML network based on PR4 domains a few months ago, however due to time limitations of editing HTML files and all that this network wasn't in use yet so that was the perfect candidate to use for this new service. Somehow I have the idea that amount of links matter as well (no idea if that's really true) and the number 5 looks quite nice. I know quite a few affiliate marketeers that setup their networks like that with 6-7 posts per site and they weren't affected by Penguin 3.0 so again a new network was born, bought a few dozen additional PR4 domains and there we go.

                                      I also took a couple of networks down that were quite spammy and used these domains to fill up the dedicated and 5 OBL network.

                                      See what I do, I just milk a method that works perfectly well till it doesn't work anymore and then I go for a complete different approach, While doing it in that way my clients rank very well while it lasts and they recoup their investment multiple times so not much is lost really. Everyone knows SEO comes with a certain risk and it's my job to change course when old methods don't work so well anymore.
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                                        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                        Good morning

                                        I'm not sure whether its 5 or 8 times, read a long time ago that it's 8 times but whatever, searchenginejournal is also just a source that doesn't mean much in the real world.
                                        SearchEngine journal is a Well respected SEO blog in the real world reporting on what several other studies have found. Your claims of what you read or what you are trying to sell to newbs is what doesn't mean much in the real world.

                                        Mike and you didn't teach me PBNs btw, BMR / ALN / High PR society did
                                        Yeh thats why you were nipping around at our heels in the Matt Laclear threads. Lie on. everyone knows BMR never taught how to build networks.

                                        while they got deindexed quite fast my network is still intact after 2.5 years , yes there were a few deindexes here and there due to SEO hosting but nothing that really caused a major impact a
                                        A) Comparing yourself to BMR is like a Daschund comparing itself to an elephant. BMR got deindexed because everyone was using them. Meanwhile they were a rental service advertisign on forums and thats what youare doing as well.
                                        B) You have admitted to 50 being deindexed seeing as how you offer like 10 PR4 links I'd say getting five times that slapped is significant. and thats only what you publicly admit to. Most link service providers under report their losses so actually admitting to 50 is telling.

                                        Earlier that wasn't an issue, Penguin 3.0 made it an issue so I had to redesign my service.
                                        You redesigned it most likely because you are losing sales and customers like crazy. You are trying desperately to incorporate my ideas into your offer. Thats why you were in his thread bad mouthing my name without me saying anything about yours and why you can't stop trying to take shots at Mike Friedman's course though he's not even in here saying anything about your service- it scares you stiff that people are building their own rather than renting while your own sales threads are not doing very well.

                                        But it should scare you - $2400 using your service for a year to have it roll off with no more payment is kinda hard not to be scared when compared to people spending the money to build their own and totally own themselves.
                                        The tell tale sign of a service provider in trouble is constantly trying to change up and throw everything but the kitchen sink in his offers (even crappy no value domains found by doing a search for a niche under the guise of relevance value) .

                                        Still try and stay classy. calling out services and providers when they didn't even talk about yours is showing how desperate you are for sales..
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                                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                          Still try and stay classy. calling out services and providers when they didn't even talk about yours is showing how desperate you are for sales..
                                          Hahaha talking about a classy act, with no reason you grabbed every single opportunity at least a few dozen times to talk my service down and it has been like that for years already.

                                          Seriously **** you Mike.
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                                            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                            Hahaha talking about a classy act, with no reason you grabbed every single opportunity at least a few dozen times to talk my service down.
                                            Dude cry me a river. no reason? Post 43 with no one saying anything about your service you started this calling my name in a thread with nothing to do with me

                                            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                            Mike Anthony also likes to talk about risks lately, probably part of his sales efforts to give his service a unique angle, while at the same time stating that he's seeing the worse setup networks still being indexed in response to someone that claims Google can take all networks down with it's algorithm (which is not the case luckily).
                                            Now you are crying because I answered you bringing up my name.
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                                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                      B) I tell them owning is the better option while you rent to them for life and let their investment roll like a fat kid down a hill the minute they stop paying you $200 a month
                                      Roll off are you crazy? I remove them obviously. Don't you understand what rent means? It's clearly spelled out in the sales thread that the PR4 links are based on rent. Heck it's even stated in the thread title and in my sig link. My service is now one of the best out there, not my loss if people don't subscribe, means more link spots for myself to rank my own affiliate sites. That's also the main reason why I increased the price of my service. I'm not interested in clients with the most crappy sites, if a client is serious about his business I am here to rank him, the price for existing clients remains the same btw, they definitely have one heck of a deal, I even have clients that still pay $99/month that have been subscribed for almost 2 years already.


                                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                      LOL...try and Fool the newbs Nik0 its what you do. PR has not been updated in a year thats why many people now go with other metrics not because they offer PR1s. Do you know how many PR3s and PR4 and even PR5s are out there almost every day that have lost all their links??? Nah because your broker didn't tell you. While we are on the subject I wonder where your brokers get their domains?? Your problem is you swear that everyone is getting their domains from Hayden's method because thats all you know. Problem is

                                      You don't know squat.
                                      Obvious you find your domains in some sort of a Hayden style way, to define that: domains that are dropped that you pick up for $10 reg fee. Don't come up with nonsense stories as your prices tell it all. I remember once you said you pick up domains for $50 (back order) and you sell them for what $35/piece? You must be a math genius.

                                      Oh and like I wouldn't check the backlink profiles of the domains I buy to see if the PR is still justified, lmao.

                                      I am damn sure you're very interested where my broker gets his domains. What about 20+ different registrars? Sorry ain't gonna list them all for you.

                                      I guess it suits you real well that PR isn't updated anymore...
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                                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                        Obvious you find your domains in some sort of a Hayden style way, to define that: domains that are dropped that you pick up for $10 reg fee. Don't come up with nonsense stories as your prices tell it all. I remember once you said you pick up domains for $50 (back order) and you sell them for what $35/piece? You must be a math genius.
                                        Dude you are an idiot. I no longer touch Hayden style domains. See? I told you. You are so absolutely clueless that if its not hayden's method you can't figure out where anyone could get domains from.

                                        I don't need or want your brokers name. I found out how they got their domains and they aint paying $50 for many of them either. Your broker is making a KILLING OFF YOU ...ROFL especially on PR3s. Did you really think your broker was spending $50 for PR3s to sell them to you for $60. Two fiverr gigs worth of profit??? ...HAHAHAHA. Think I will drop you a bone to teach you AGAIN how to buy domains...... keep trying

                                        Oh and like I wouldn't check the backlink profiles of the domains I buy to see if the PR is still justified, lmao.
                                        You mean like you implied PBN sellers wouldn't check the links on DA to see if justified. so freaking silly.


                                        I guess it suits you real well that PR isn't updated anymore...
                                        No its suits sellers like YOU that still sell on old PR because you can always have a crap domain and says its a Pr4 when it no longer isn't. thts a common scam right now with those using your business model. go try and get a PR4 that isn't gobbled up even if it has no links. Why would that be if they are not selling its value to newbs. Everyone knows here that Mike and I ALWAYS say check the backlinks so you are full of garbage as usual.

                                        Do I claim to sell PR4 strength domains for $35 dollars??? Nope but I don't buy anything unless I see multiple PR3 and up links and in many cases yes some of my domains do come close to PR4 and guess what Einstein most have never stopped being indexed.. See?? thats why you are an idiot. You claim I don't know your setup although I have seen your network but you don't know crap about the domains I buy now because you insist like a tool that you know I use hayden's method when I no longer do.

                                        Just so stupid.
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                                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                          Dude you are an idiot. I no longer touch Hayden style domains. See? I told you. You are so absolutely clueless that if its not hayden's method you can't figure out where anyone could get domains from.

                                          I don't need or want your brokers name. I found out how they got their domains and they aint paying $50 for many of them either. Your broker is making a KILLING OFF YOU ...ROFL especially on PR3s. Did you really think your broker was spending $50 for PR3s to sell them to you for $60. Two fiverr gigs worth of profit??? ...HAHAHAHA. Think I will drop you a bone to teach you AGAIN how to buy domains...... keep trying

                                          You mean like you implied PBN sellers wouldn't check the links on DA to see if justified. so freaking silly.


                                          No its suits sellers like YOU that still sell on old PR because you can always have a crap domain and says its a Pr4 when it no longer isn't. thts a common scam right now with those using your business model. go try and get a PR4 that isn't gobbled up even if it has no links. Why would that be if they are not selling its value to newbs. Everyone knows here that Mike and I ALWAYS say check the backlinks so you are full of garbage as usual.

                                          Do I claim to sell PR4 strength domains for $35 dollars??? Nope but I don't buy anything unless I see multiple PR3 and up links and in many cases yes some of my domains do come close to PR4 and guess what Einstein most have never stopped being indexed.. See?? thats why you are an idiot. You claim I don't know your setup although I have seen your network but you don't know crap about the domains I buy now because you insist like a tool that you know I use hayden's method when I no longer do.

                                          Just so stupid.
                                          I am stupid really? Dude you're the biggest idiot here of all. Selling worthless domains and calling my service that is 10 times stronger weak. Obvious I charge $2400/year for that. cause I invested $50k into that network vs your $10/domain. How can you can even compare your dropped domains to what I do is the ultimate proof of your retardness.

                                          The worhtless crap you've sold to clients proofs it all, like I said before, multiple of them have contacted me in the past. Not a single legit link, just dull worhtless domains and still having a big mouth around these forums. There was one that did have a few legit appearing links, less then a year later you removed these links again, what a class act but in most cases you "forgot" to add these links at all.

                                          Perhaps it's time you should start a sales thread here so that people can leave feedback about your service but hell no that will ever happen. Mike's reputation would be on the line.Seriously lmao about you and your practices. ******* fraud.
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                                            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                            Not a single legit link, just dull worhtless domains and still having a big mouth around these forums.
                                            I don''t normally do this (and you've been reported) but just to show how full of crap you are just to try and save your sales here is one I picked up yesterday that didn't make the cut to deliver because of variety or reasons - main one being lack of diversity. I get these regularly (with variety and better) and they are not Hayden style (as you can see genius its still indexed not an old forgotten domain) and not for $50 either (so silly).

                                            auctioneerchamp.com

                                            So much for no links whatsoever. I suggest you try and change your argument because you now look like a freaking fool to anyone who can check backlinks

                                            Sooooo. turns out as I said and you LIED otherwise.....You don't know crap about what I buy now so just stop your barefaced lying to try and make a sale.. I did try to build PR domains years ago but PR was so unpredictable in updating it didn't turn out well in some cases. That was YEARS ago just as you claim you changed your crappy services. Same with Hayden style domains. had to leave that in the dust as well. couldn't find good ones fast enough.

                                            So I stand by it...you don't know what other people offer but claim to while trying constantly to promote your own service. The only problem we have now is we are backed up with orders and had to therefore suspend the trials/rentals etcP.S. anyone contacting you years ago was an idiot. You offered crap back then and everyone knows it
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                                            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                                              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                              I don''t normally do this (and you've been reported) but just to show how full of crap you are just to try and save your sales here is one I picked up yesterday that didn't make the cut to deliver because of variety or reasons - main one being lack of diversity. I get these regularly (with variety and better) and they are not Hayden style (as you can see genius its still indexed not an old forgotten domain) and not for $50 either (so silly).

                                              auctioneerchamp.com

                                              So much for no links whatsoever

                                              Sooooo. turns out as I said and you LIED otherwise.....You don't know crap about what I buy now so just stop your barefaced lying to try and make a sale.. I did try to build PR domains years ago but PR was so unpredictable in updating it didn't turn out well in some cases. That was YEARS ago just as you claim you changed your crappy services. Same with Hayden style domains. had to leave that in the dust as well. couldn't find good ones fast enough.

                                              So I stand by it...you don't know what other people offer but claim to while trying constantly to promote your own service.

                                              P.S. anyone contacting you years ago was an idiot. You offered crap back then and everyone knows it
                                              Wow you post a domain, no idea what that has to proof but does it hurt already in your wallet? Besides you were the one saying you paid $50 for certain domains a couple of weeks or months ago.

                                              I definitely do know what you buy as you went through great efforts to reverse engineer my network and thus you could easily find these less known registrars by doing a simple whois check. I use my broker cause I don't have the time to go through the auctions on a daily base to pick up some gems here and there, instead I rather pay him $40-$45 per domain. Besides that, most in his list is crap these days, I pick maybe a handful out of 50-60 PR3 domains that he has available. For the rest it's obvious that the PR has flown away.

                                              Not sure what you mean with years ago, 2.-3 years ago when I just started out and sold blog posts from 8 different networks like ALN, BMR, UAW etc? Back then everyone raved about it.

                                              Or more like 1-2 years ago when I build my own network and ranked a ton of shit and had 150 monthly clients at it's peak cause my service was so crazy effective? Tons of people made shitloads of money up until Penguin 3.0 which changed the way of ranking using blog networks completely.

                                              If I was all for sales you think I would be so loud right now or would I be sitting still in a corner, not change a thing about my service and bump the sales threads all the way?

                                              Use your brain for once.
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                                              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                                Wow you post a domain, no idea what that has to proof but does it hurt already in your wallet? Besides you were the one saying you paid $50 for certain domains a couple of weeks or months ago.
                                                Weeak what happened to the charge I use hayden domains with no links boy wonder? The point is easy. its one of the domains that didn't make the cut but has multiple links you said mine doesn't have . I am not going to burn one I would use for the likes of you but it shows you are totally full of crap claiming "I "obviously" use Hayden domains.

                                                I definitely do know what you buy as you went through great efforts to reverse engineer my network and thus you could easily find these less known registrars by doing a simple whois check.
                                                Now you are just babbling nonsense. how does me finding your network tell you where I buy domains or what kind? Plus I didn't go through any great effort to find your domains. they were easy to find and since you started threatening me by PM that if I said anything bad about your service you were going to go after my me and my service hey I figured I'd find out more about you and yours.

                                                I use my broker cause I don't have the time to go through the auctions on a daily base to pick up some gems here and there, instead I rather pay him $40-$45 per domain.
                                                ah but a while ago it was impossible to sell ones you would buy for $35. LOL you always trip over yourself. How much do you think he gets those for genius????? Was he "obviously' using the hayden method??

                                                If I was all for sales you think I would be so loud right now or would I be sitting still in a corner, not change a thing about my service and bump the sales threads all the way?

                                                Use your brain for once.
                                                Oh stop use yours or sell it since an unused one would fetch agood price. You are so well known for self promoting in this forum you have had more threads removed than a toothless man has had teeth removed. From my understanding a few bans for it as well so try and fool someone else.
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                                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                                  Oh stop use yours or sell it since an unused one would fetch agood price. You are so well known for self promoting in this forum you have had more threads removed than a toothless man has had teeth removed. From my understanding a few bans for it as well so try and fool someone else.
                                                  Funny you keep mentioning these bans.

                                                  I've never been banned for self promotion at all.

                                                  I have been temporarily banned multiple times, lost count, but for complete different reasons perhaps you should ask those losers from the copywriting and main marketing forums and a couple of these lame WSO sellers why I was banned.

                                                  As for picking up dropped domains for reg fee, you can't prove you don't and I can't prove you do.
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                                                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                                    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                                    As for picking up dropped domains for reg fee, you can't prove you don't and I can't prove you do.
                                                    I don't need to prove anything to the likes of you but in you finally admitting that you don't know for a fact what I buy you've proven you are a liar to earlier claim you knew.

                                                    Fruthermore liar, your claim wasn't that I bought domains at registrar fees but that I obviously used Hayden's method which I don't.
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                                                    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                                                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                                      Fruthermore liar, your claim wasn't that I bought domains at registrar fees but that I obviously used Hayden's method which I don't.
                                                      Comes down to the same thing. Dropped domains are dropped domains.
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                                                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                                        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                                        Comes down to the same thing. Dropped domains are dropped domains.
                                                        And? Provided they are sill indexed whats the point? Go ahead and embarrass yourself with some half baked theory on dropped domains. This ought to be good. Let me guess. In your vast ignorance you think all dropped domains are hayden style links.
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                                                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                                      Now since a certain person wants to bring my name up and offers along with how his is the best service available lets do the maths to help the OP see if building a PBN or renting one makes more sense

                                                      lets take a certain rental service constantly advertised in this thread

                                                      10 PR4 links at $199/moth is $2400 dollars for the year.

                                                      Seeing as how the standard tests from reputable sources show that a PR4 is around five times the strength of a Pr3 and the service provides service for 4 people om each domain its stands to reason that the people using it would place four times the links than one person under equal circumstances would

                                                      That means at best each is getting around a PR3 link when divided for use.

                                                      Hmmmmm..... the Power of 10 Pr3s for $2400 works out to about 240 for a pr3 domain (and hot doggity they OWN that one after the year).

                                                      but shuck it offers also relevant domains (no mention of metrics so could be nothing more than searching register compass for domains of no value but having the niche name) so we can subtract lets say $200 for those and even feeling generous another $200 for a five site network (again no mention of metrcis so could be any crap)

                                                      and that still leaves us with $200 per PR3 juice from domains that vanishes after a year.

                                                      Who in their right mind wouldn't just use the cash and go buy 10 Pr3s and not have their links vanish in a year or have to pony up another $200 per PR3 juice for another year.

                                                      getting the picture why link renters hate people who teach people how to build networks or who sell them PBNs they own?

                                                      Pretty obvious
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                                                        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                                          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                                          However most people either use providers from this forum and they don't sell legit PR3's (haven't seen a single one that did), it's mostly weakish PR1-PR2 domains.
                                                          Frankly we don't know at any given time that your PR4s are really Pr4s either. You can't know until you check them. Many PBN sellers don't state their domains and we have already confirmed that you will lie about what I sell having no links at all based on some idea you had two years ago but finally admit you don't know now. Truth is your sales are dwindling and you are flailing about lashing out at others to try and get a sale so nothing you say can be believed. No one mentioned you or your service in this thrread but you had to start after me and then Mike's training. Epic sign of fail.

                                                          You can spin it any way you want 10 PR4s divided by multiple users instead of one is pretty close to offering 10 PR3s for $2400. thats an exorbitant price that will double to $4800 by following year

                                                          and yet you have the nerve to say Mike's course is expensive at one time $197

                                                          If they do it on their own, whether or not they bought some training they still mess up big time and come up with all sorts of crappy domains with faked pagerank as they don't take the time to analyze the backlink profiles properly so end result is once again a weakish network.
                                                          Total Malarkey. Having trained hundreds of people to build PBNs I have seen many go on to be very good at buying and analyzing domains. You are making stuff up because by the time they went through my training or Mike's they are better than analyzing domains than you are since you only buy through brokers. Sheesh the silliness you won't claim. Which course doesn't cover fake PR?

                                                          In my next post we'll look at your um "numbers" (hey you wanted to drag my name into this thread so buckle up)
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                                                          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                                                            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                                            In my next post we'll look at your um "numbers" (hey you wanted to drag my name into this thread so buckle up)
                                                            Looking forward to your crappy $1/hosts and the weak PR3's that are more likely in the range of PR1-PR2 that you pick up for a few bucks.

                                                            You're comparing apples to oranges to make it look as good as possible for you while I'm one of the few honest marketers that come up with real live prices. If you had the guts you would start a sales thread here so people can leave feedback instead of hiding behind your lame excuses.

                                                            No need to pull Mike F into it all the time with your cry for help, 95 percent of it is directed at you, the discussion whether we NEED to make look sites real is long gone already.

                                                            If you want to rank a weak niche like a local plumber in whatever city most never heard of, buy Mike's domains.

                                                            If you want to rank in competitive niches, be prepared to shell out big dollars for domains as good domains don't come cheap (unless you don't mind setting up 100's of weak domains as that's what you'll need to rank for anything medium competitive).

                                                            You're making a total fool out yourself trying to convince people that you can rank well for a few bucks. Ok still possible if you don't care about churn & burn, buy a bunch of weak domains, launch up GSA and there you go!

                                                            I'm done with this back & forth btw, nothing new to add and I ain't gonna repeat myself, you're not worth my time
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                                                            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                                                              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                                              If you had the guts you would start a sales thread here so people can leave feedback instead of hiding behind your lame excuses.
                                                              I'm not going to get into the middle of your argument here, but this is pretty silly. Do you know how many shitty products and services in the WSO section still get glowing reviews? Matt LaClear ring a bell at all?

                                                              Reviews in the WSO section are about as reliable as reviews on Fiverr.
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                                                                Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                                                                I'm not going to get into the middle of your argument here, but this is pretty silly. Do you know how many shitty products and services in the WSO section still get glowing reviews? Matt LaClear ring a bell at all?

                                                                Reviews in the WSO section are about as reliable as reviews on Fiverr.
                                                                Sorry to be offtopic, but this last post really made me post a reply here

                                                                Mike, I've bought 2 WSO's with super-great reviews, blablabla, both useless. Luckily, both offered me a refund, so I'm not that angry anymore, but it was a complete waste of time for me to watch through those programs. It's said when you see experienced forum users who post a positive review only to help his friend or who the f..k knows how they were convinced to put that review, but anyway, I agree that WSO reviews are about the same trustworthiness of the fiverr gigs
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                                                                  Originally Posted by tym007 View Post

                                                                  Sorry to be offtopic, but this last post really made me post a reply here

                                                                  Mike, I've bought 2 WSO's with super-great reviews, blablabla, both useless. Luckily, both offered me a refund, so I'm not that angry anymore, but it was a complete waste of time for me to watch through those programs. It's said when you see experienced forum users who post a positive review only to help his friend or who the f..k knows how they were convinced to put that review, but anyway, I agree that WSO reviews are about the same trustworthiness of the fiverr gigs
                                                                  I agree for the most part but it also depends a lot on the type of WSO's you buy. If it's some $7-$37 eGuide with great promises then it's worthless most of the time.

                                                                  If you focus more on real products, like plugins or softwares it's not that bad most of the time and with backlinks you mostly know what you get (though that depends on the provided details obviously), but you can always ask for sample links, if people refuse to provide that you know enough.
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                                                              • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                                                                Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                                                                I'm not going to get into the middle of your argument here, but this is pretty silly. Do you know how many shitty products and services in the WSO section still get glowing reviews? Matt LaClear ring a bell at all?

                                                                Reviews in the WSO section are about as reliable as reviews on Fiverr.
                                                                He had plenty of bad reviews as well and reviews can be updated at a later point.

                                                                Fiverr doesn't allow that as they force you to leave a review the moment your order is complete.

                                                                But yes I get your point, it's easy to put some VA's to work to add fake reviews, and often that's not even needed as people sometimes like to leave a review about how the communication went instead of the effectiveness of the actual service.
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                                                                • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                                                                  Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                                                  He had plenty of bad reviews as well and reviews can be updated at a later point.

                                                                  Fiverr doesn't allow that as they force you to leave a review the moment your order is complete.
                                                                  Come on nik0... The argument about creating a sales thread sounds just like Matt. No matter what we said, his argument was always, "Look at our testimonials". That was the only answer he had.

                                                                  Yes, it is true that Fiverr doesn't allow reviews at a later date or updates, which for SEO makes it impossible to review stuff accurately.

                                                                  My point was just that reviews in the WSO section are not all that reliable. Half the time it is people who barely have a concept of SEO.

                                                                  Julia gets good reviews for crying out loud and look at the total crap she sells.
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                                                                  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                                                                    Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                                                                    Come on nik0... The argument about creating a sales thread sounds just like Matt. No matter what we said, his argument was always, "Look at our testimonials". That was the only answer he had.

                                                                    Yes, it is true that Fiverr doesn't allow reviews at a later date or updates, which for SEO makes it impossible to review stuff accurately.

                                                                    My point was just that reviews in the WSO section are not all that reliable. Half the time it is people who barely have a concept of SEO.

                                                                    Julia gets good reviews for crying out loud and look at the total crap she sells.
                                                                    I edited my posts while you were writing this but you look at it from a different angle then me.

                                                                    My point is not about hiding behind positive reviews, my point is that people have the option to leave a negative review if they are not happy with the provided service. By not having a public sales channel you can sell whatever crap you want and never have to take any responsibility for your actions.

                                                                    So yes good reviews aren't too reliable, but bad reviews are 9 out of 10 times very reliable and in the case someone likes to play a game by leaving a review cause he is out for a refund cause at later thought he didn't have a need for the service or product for whatever reasons then the seller should still be able to defend himself if the product is legit.

                                                                    When I check out a product or service the first thing I do is browse it from the last page back and don't pay any attention to positive reviews but only look for negative ones, based on that I can compare it to some positive reviews to see if it's not caused by mis-use by the buyer or something like that (in case of software not reading the documentation or something).

                                                                    Take an SEO service for example, there was a very popular seller here that received a ton of negative reviews in just a few weeks, turned out the seller admitted his service didn't work as well as before. If he didn't have a thread he could just keep on selling till eternity and no one would ever know that his service stopped working.

                                                                    Somewhat same like me, though I haven't received any complains here, but I did restructure my service completely days after Penguin 3.0 launched so obvious the old way wasn't working that well anymore. Most will never admit that, especially not the ones in the WSO section.
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                                                                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                                                    Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                                                                    Julia gets good reviews for crying out loud and look at the total crap she sells.
                                                                    I was looking at that thread the other day. Nothing proves reviews mean squat like that thread. Plus everyone knows it was easy to put up fake reviews. call me when more service providers build up review under the new system where a purchase has to be made.
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                                                              • Profile picture of the author deezn
                                                                Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                                                                I'm not going to get into the middle of your argument here, but this is pretty silly. Do you know how many shitty products and services in the WSO section still get glowing reviews? Matt LaClear ring a bell at all?

                                                                Reviews in the WSO section are about as reliable as reviews on Fiverr.
                                                                Lol! Because of my niche Matt LaClear's service made me over 6 figures. Of course I wrote over 150 pages of content which helped too, but hey for $99 it was a great ROI. Of course I survived Panda but Penguin (not the first one but a later one) slapped me to oblivion and never recovered. So now I'm doing it the right way. But it was great for churn and burn.
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                                                                • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                                                                  Originally Posted by deezn View Post

                                                                  Lol! Because of my niche Matt LaClear's service made me over 6 figures. Of course I wrote over 150 pages of content which helped too, but hey for $99 it was a great ROI. Of course I survived Panda but Penguin (not the first one but a later one) slapped me to oblivion and never recovered. So now I'm doing it the right way. But it was great for churn and burn.
                                                                  Which would have been fine if he advertised it that way. He didn't though, and a lot of legitimate business owners got sucked into it. They tanked and never recovered. For IM'ers, it's a pain in the ass, but you can move on easier. For a brick and mortar business that had to abandon their website, it is extremely costly.
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                                                                  • Profile picture of the author deezn
                                                                    Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                                                                    Which would have been fine if he advertised it that way. He didn't though, and a lot of legitimate business owners got sucked into it. They tanked and never recovered. For IM'ers, it's a pain in the ass, but you can move on easier. For a brick and mortar business that had to abandon their website, it is extremely costly.
                                                                    Yeah I hear ya. I am a real business (the 6 figures was off just about 4 clients) but it was a new website and I don't get emotionally attached anyway (I usually try to have two sites indexed at all times with one live and the other just dormant).
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                                                            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                                              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post


                                                              If you want to rank in competitive niches, be prepared to shell out big dollars for domains as good domains don't come cheap (unless you don't mind setting up 100's of weak domains as that's what you'll need to rank for anything medium competitive).

                                                              You're making a total fool out yourself trying to convince people that you can rank well for a few bucks.
                                                              Some times Fraudulent people just make statements that expose themselves and you need not do much more than point out what they said.

                                                              here Nik0 tries to sell the newbs that you will rank in competitive terms with ten PR3 powered links and 10 worthless but relevant domains (that he will not even commit to meet ANY metrics AT ALL and for which he actually states he will STEAL the content to put on it - wayback machine content is the property of the previous owner - Talk about scuzzy.)

                                                              HAHAHA....You just can't make this stuff up. Honest? what people won't claim to sell their floundering service. That you will rank in competitive terms with those links and that they are honest while advertising they RIP OFF people's content to SELL their own service. (what he conveniently calls "restoring")

                                                              ROFL....Thief go home with your claims of being the most honest. You STEAL content from ten different sites for EVERY sale you make.

                                                              You couldn't pay me to put my best SEO services next to his offers in any forum. THATS the reason many professional SEOs don't sell services on forums
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                                                              • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                                                                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                                                Some times Fraudulent people just make statements that expose themselves and you need not do much more than point out what they said.

                                                                here Nik0 tries to sell the newbs that you will rank in competitive terms with ten PR3 powered links and 10 worthless but relevant domains (that he will not even commit to meet ANY metrics AT ALL and for which he actually states he will STEAL the content to put on it - wayback machine content is the property of the previous owner - Talk about scuzzy.)

                                                                HAHAHA....You just can't make this stuff up. Honest? what people won't claim to sell their floundering service.
                                                                You have one way of interpretating and twisting my words and once again you spread lies about my service as I offer PR4 links, not PR3 links.

                                                                Besides that I said: If you want to rank in competitive niches you need to buy strong (expensive) domains or you won't make it. I didn't say buy my service and you'll rank for competitive terms, that's what you made of it.

                                                                But keep making a fool out of yourself, everyone can see what you're doing and what you've always been doing, trying to sound superior to everyone else and in the meanwhile delivering the worse possible services yourself lol, quite a mask isn't it?
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                                                                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                                                  Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                                                  You have one way of interpretating and twisting my words and once again you spread lies about my service as I offer PR4 links, not PR3 links.
                                                                  The Pr4 Domain is split four ways with four different users. try selling the newbs that they get a true PR4 link even with higher OBL. No one is lying about your service but you. learn some basic SEO. the number of outbound links affects the strength of each link. You don't provide PR4 powered links if its diluted by OBL


                                                                  Besides that I said: If you want to rank in competitive niches you need to buy strong (expensive) domains or you won't make it. I didn't say buy my service and you'll rank for competitive terms, that's what you made of it.
                                                                  Don't be so much of a fraud. You stated that my service woudn't rank for anything clearly comparing your offer to mine. Lie all you want.

                                                                  But keep making a fool out of yourself,
                                                                  Sell it to the newbs and the black hatters who hack for links. Anyone reading this with basic integrity knows you make a complete fool of yourself claiming to be the most honest when you rip off ten people's content on every sale you make.

                                                                  They have a word for that and it aint honest - its being a thief.
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                        • Profile picture of the author PBMax
                          Mike- I got much better prices than $100 per link (anything that high would scare me off anyway due to how many links I want.)

                          I ran a 60+ PBN for about a year and I built above-par WP sites. I juggled it all fairly well, having 10 sites per niche. It was nice to have that loaded gun and it kept me in demand, having the ability to drop links where I want, when I want.

                          Having a PBN doesn't scare me. What concerns me is putting in all the effort and one day seeing that Google kick it to the curb and all my links are dust.
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                    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                      ROFL...You really have the nerve to make that statement about me when you are trying to convince the OP who you now know is looking for a service provider that deindexations is rare even though you admit elsewhere to having FIFTY DOMAINS DEINDEXED.

                      and um just left out that Google has started penalizing sites using PBNs that have been deindexed. My man Nik0 never a sale he won't try to save or make.

                      but don't freaking lie about my other thread to try and make a sale for yourself. My other thread talks about deindexing by an ALGO. It at no place states deindexing is a rare event no one should be worried about. Thats just garbaaaage you are spouting.
                      50 weak sites that were hosted on SEO hosting yes.

                      Didn't you say to AffiliateAlan that the worse looking private blog network sites are still indexed? Don't make me quote you
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                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                        Didn't you say to AffiliateAlan that the worse looking private blog network sites are still indexed? Don't make me quote you
                        You can barely read english much less quote anyone. I said I have seen some of the worse PBN sites still indexed so there couldn't be an automatic algo that deindexes (nothing about manual deindexing which is common). I at no time said that bad ones seldom are deindexed. The words "some" and "seldom" must have you stumped. Any good English schools in Thailand/Holland?
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                        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          You can barely read english much less quote anyone. I said I have seen some of the worse PBN sites still indexed so there couldn't be an automatic algo that deindexes (nothing about manual deindexing which is common). I at no time said that bad ones seldom are deindexed. The words "some" and "seldom" must have you stumped. Any good English schools in Thailand/Holland?
                          I didn't mention the word seldom or some either so maybe it's time for glasses as I suppose you do understand English well, afterall you're from the states.

                          But none of that is really the point. The point is that sites hosted on shared hostings are almost NEVER subject to manual reviews. IF they were, with a HUGE IF I would have lost hundreds of domains already and the contrary is true that I haven't lost a single domain on shared hosting plans. Well maybe a handful out of 800+ but that's like 0.5 percent while ranking 1000's of customers, so if you have to rank only one site that is like 0.0001 percent.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                            I didn't mention the word seldom or some either so maybe it's time for glasses
                            Try not to get lost Netherlander. I was the one who used the words seldom and some to illustrate how you are misreperesnting the other thread you claimed backs you when it doesn't. You've needed glasses for years

                            But none of that is really the point. The point is that sites hosted on shared hostings are almost NEVER subject to manual reviews. IF they were, with a HUGE IF I would have lost hundreds of domains already and the contrary is true that I haven't lost a single domain on shared hosting plans.

                            Pure crapola. I have seen sites on shared hosting deindexed with others not touched on the same server. I don't know who you are trying to fool besides the newbs. Any time you look through domains and find a deindexed PBN site on the wayback machine you can do a whois history search and see the nameservers and they are NOT all on SEO hosting.

                            You are in pure selling mode trying to make people think that you have it figured out so your network is safe to take sales, No? Where has Google made any announcement as to hwo they deindex sites for you to claim that sites deindexed are not the result of manual reviews? Its just nonsense unless you are claiming your aunt Millie now works at Google
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                            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                              Pure crapola. I have seen sites on shared hosting deindexed with others not touched on the same server. I don't know who you are trying to fool besides the newbs. Any time you look through domains and find a deindexed PBN site on the wayback machine you can do a whois history search and see the nameservers and they are NOT all on SEO hosting.

                              You are in pure selling mode trying to make people think that you have it figured out so your network is safe to take sales, No? Where has Google made any announcement as to hwo they deindex sites for you to claim that sites deindexed are not the result of manual reviews? Its just nonsense unless you are claiming your aunt Millie now works at Google
                              Oh he've seen one or two sites being deindexed on shared hosting plans.

                              Doesn't matter pal, that's 1 out of a 1000 maybe. Hardly a risk.

                              And who knows what those deindexed domains did wrong besides functioning as a PBN, perhaps spun content? That's one huge killer I can tell you from experience when I ran my tier 2 network.

                              Or perhaps the sites had the same OBL profiles on a whole bunch of sites, another huge killer.

                              Feels good to leave out details isn't it?

                              ps: Few days ago I increased the price of my service to $199/month, priced myself out of the (forum) market as I'm not neccessarily looking for more customers. You should check to see what they get for the money. Time to rank some real shit.
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  • Profile picture of the author powerofschool
    Even though you dont have time to write for those many blogs. Atleast try to update once in a week . So that google wont think that these blogs done have updates.
    Try to take some information and rewrite good articles based on that info.
    I hope this method will help up to some extent.

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author jezter6
    I only am poking in here to laugh at one of the backlinks for that domain... ForumForHepes?


    Edit: ooh, forumforhepes is parked and available for sale.


    Edit 2: don't go to forumforherpes...going there hit a malware trigger on Symantec Endpoint Protection.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by jezter6 View Post

      I only am poking in here to laugh at one of the backlinks for that domain... ForumForHepes?

      .
      Only came on our radar and mistakenly got bought (hence why I would share it here since we are not using it) for the higher authority links it had. No idea what other links it has.
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  • Profile picture of the author jezter6
    I'm in no way commenting on your method or perceived quality of the domain.

    I just had to laugh that the first thing that caught my eye was herpes.

    Just glad I didn't catch it somewhere else!
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  • Profile picture of the author PBMax
    Dang. All I wanted to do was know if I should build my own PBN (again) or "rent" links (although that term used in this instance is new to me.)

    However, we get a pissing match. I guess this may be good for business - or bad - depending on if character is important when employing people.

    Guys, this sucks. You've officially hijacked my thread and not really helped anyone, let alone me.

    For what it's worth, this has been mildly entertaining.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

      Dang. All I wanted to do was know if I should build my own PBN (again) or "rent" links (although that term used in this instance is new to me.)

      My recommendation, if it is a long-term project you care about, then you should build your own properties to support it.

      If you are working on something that is churn and burn and you don't care if it tanks next week, rent/buy links.
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      • Profile picture of the author PBMax
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        My recommendation, if it is a long-term project you care about, then you should build your own properties to support it.

        If you are working on something that is churn and burn and you don't care if it tanks next week, rent/buy links.
        Well, this is hopefully a client I can settle in and work with for many years, so I guess you'd recommend building my own. Of course, in the meantime, I'm gonna have to rent some links from a few solid people I've managed to find.

        I'm still curious whether or not it matters who you host with and how many sites from your PBN you use on each host.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

          Well, this is hopefully a client I can settle in and work with for many years, so I guess you'd recommend building my own. Of course, in the meantime, I'm gonna have to rent some links from a few solid people I've managed to find.

          I'm still curious whether or not it matters who you host with and how many sites from your PBN you use on each host.

          Hosting has to do with not leaving an easily identifiable footprint. That's it. Really plays little to know impact in rankings. You'll see people claiming that having links from different IPs matters. I have seen zero evidence of that. It's all about camouflaging the network.

          You don't want sites hosted together with the same host that will be linking to the same projects.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

          Of course, in the meantime, I'm gonna have to rent some links from a few solid people I've managed to find.
          Your choice really but its no an of course. If you buckle down and learn how to evaluate domains then you can have your own sites to rank customers within a week or less.
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          • Profile picture of the author PBMax
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Your choice really but its no an of course. If you buckle down and learn how to evaluate domains then you can have your own sites to rank customers within a week or less.
            Wow. That is honestly an impressive statement. I've bought PR4 and several PR3 for domain reg fees before, have a few of them still, but their DA is often ~10. Sucks.

            Could you PM me the best spot to find good domains? I've used expiredomains.net for 2 years.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

              Wow. That is honestly an impressive statement. I've bought PR4 and several PR3 for domain reg fees before, have a few of them still, but their DA is often ~10. Sucks.

              Could you PM me the best spot to find good domains? I've used expiredomains.net for 2 years.
              Sorry PB I didn't say anything about getting PR4s and PR3s for reg fees. Anyone who knows hot to get them is not going to tell you where or how so that price are driven up.
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              • Profile picture of the author PBMax
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                Sorry PB I didn't say anything about getting PR4s and PR3s for reg fees. Anyone who knows hot to get them is not going to tell you where or how so that price are driven up.
                No. I'm saying I regularly get PR3s and such for the normal sale price GoDaddy or 1&1 offers - I don't bid on auctions, I get expired domains and bring them back to life for cheap.

                I'm asking does it matter if the PR is decent, but the DA is low? If not, no worries. If so, then I'm curious where else to look.

                If you're concerned with giving up the Colonel's 11 herbs and spices secret, then that's cool no worries.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

                  I'm asking does it matter if the PR is decent, but the DA is low? If not, no worries. If so, then I'm curious where else to look..
                  You never go off metrics. Its not rocket science - You always check the backlinks. Didn't I see you talking about a client? Why in the world are you taking on clients when you don't know hot to evaluate links???
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                  • Profile picture of the author PBMax
                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    You never go off metrics. Its not rocket science - You always check the backlinks. Didn't I see you talking about a client? Why in the world are you taking on clients when you don't know hot to evaluate links???
                    Not to throw darts, but I see you like to jump to conclusions...

                    I had a PBN two years ago I used for clients. TWO YEARS AGO...

                    I don't use PBNs to rank clients currently, HOWEVER I do have a few good sites I MAY WANT TO START using for clients IN THE FUTURE.

                    Don't be that smug guy spouting about "I can't believe..." from your high horse.

                    You seem cool, let's keep that theme alive.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                      Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

                      Not to throw darts, but I see you like to jump to conclusions...

                      I had a PBN two years ago I used for clients. TWO YEARS AGO...
                      Nope. I jumped to no conclusions. You were the one who said you had a client

                      Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

                      Well, this is hopefully a client I can settle in and work with for many years, so I guess you'd recommend building my own. Of course, in the meantime, I'm gonna have to rent some links from a few solid people I've managed to find.
                      .
                      SEOs taking clients should have an idea of how they are going to provide the service of links to their customers BEFORE they approach clients. Not being minimally prepared before approaching the idea of clients is what junks up this industry and affects everyone so I will comment on it because it affects MY industry.

                      Don't be that smug guy spouting about "I can't believe..." from your high horse.

                      You seem cool, let's keep that theme alive.
                      People who claim to be doing or going to be doing SEO for clients get asked here all the time if they are ready to do so. Welcome to WF SEO section. You will just have to get used to it. As a new person here you will not be giving directions as to what those of us who have been around can and cannot write in any post.
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                      • Profile picture of the author PBMax
                        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                        Blah....
                        I do SEO work outside of the need for a PBN, novel idea I realize for some. I'm looking to add to my tools. Again, groundbreaking I know.

                        Just because you're some bigshot on WF means very little once the URL changes, you know that right. No need to be a cocky smartass. Try to add to the discussion instead.

                        Novel approaches abound!
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                          Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

                          Just because you're some bigshot on WF means very little once the URL changes,
                          and yet here you are on this url the only SEO in the thread claiming they will "of course" need to rent links from other providers to do the work for your client. Guess when the url changes to where you are the bigshot in SEO they just don't have links.

                          You are right

                          Novel approach to SEO. No links. who knew?

                          Try to add to the discussion instead
                          We await your addition because so far all I see is someone looking to be spoon fed not anyone adding anything themselves
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                          • Profile picture of the author PBMax
                            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                            and yet here you are on this url the only SEO in the thread claiming they will "of course" need to rent links from other providers to do the work for your client. Guess when the url changes to where you are the bigshot in SEO they just don't have links.

                            You are right

                            Novel approach to SEO. No links. who knew?

                            We await your addition because so far all I see is someone looking to be spoon fed not anyone adding anything themselves
                            You're officially the WF jackass. Congrats. People rent links all the time - even big companies. But, not as big as your basement expanse I'm sure.

                            Tell me, being such a huge DB on a public forum filled with people wanting SEO services, how, pray tell, do you think you'll fair with people who don't want to work with people like you?

                            Sucks, to be honest, because while PBN aren't the end all be all of SEO - much to your chagrin I'm sure - it would be nice to get solid info on one as opposed to whatever you're attempting to spout.

                            One more thing: If you're not here to help, why are you here?
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                            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                              Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

                              You're officially the WF jackass.
                              See? CLEARLY You are delusional. You are too new hear to pronounce anything official. Try again.

                              Congrats. People rent links all the time - even big companies
                              Yea but the professional SEOs already know what they need not have to ask around on forums and good night umm big companies do not propose article builder. Sorry. You are taking on clients but don't even know that all that junk will hurt your client. So my questions was fair whether you like it or not.

                              Sucks, to be honest, because while PBN aren't the end all be all of SEO - much to your chagrin I'm sure - it would be nice to get solid info on one as opposed to whatever you're attempting to spout.
                              You've got plenty not my fault you can's assimilate and keep demanding more

                              One more thing: If you're not here to help, why are you here?
                              I'm here to learn from other SEOs who have something to offer and help those that are not just here looking to be spoon fed but apply themselves

                              At this point you qualify under neither criteria. Your questions is telling though. You are indicative of the people dragging this forum down. You think people should only be here to help you. I am glad to disavow you of that idea.
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                              • Profile picture of the author PBMax
                                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                See? CLEARLY
                                Not much of what you say can be defined as "clear."

                                So, Dropkick SEO. That your service?
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                                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                  Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

                                  Not much of what you say can be defined as "clear."

                                  So, Dropkick SEO. That your service?
                                  No it belongs to a guy in Nicaragua named Pablo Ben Guam Levarez. The girl in the PHOTO is his daughter.
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                              Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

                              You're officially the WF jackass. Congrats. People rent links all the time - even big companies. But, not as big as your basement expanse I'm sure.

                              Tell me, being such a huge DB on a public forum filled with people wanting SEO services, how, pray tell, do you think you'll fair with people who don't want to work with people like you?

                              Sucks, to be honest, because while PBN aren't the end all be all of SEO - much to your chagrin I'm sure - it would be nice to get solid info on one as opposed to whatever you're attempting to spout.

                              One more thing: If you're not here to help, why are you here?
                              The two Mike's in this thread are extremely helpful. Sure MA is not as patient as MF but I almost only read posts from those two. There are others but 99% of everything else is bullshit.

                              Take your emotion out of it, go back and read the posts and look at the information being provided. Pretend he's talking to someone else and not you and don't take it personally. When they write, you can usually take it to the bank.
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                              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                Originally Posted by deezn View Post

                                The two Mike's in this thread are extremely helpful. Sure MA is not as patient as MF
                                Ridiculous nonsense!!!!

                                Its an urban myth that MikeF is more patient than me. You just need to know the code words to send him off. Don't tell anyone but the two words are

                                Britney Spears....


                                lol...when Mike read this everybody ..........RUN!!
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                                • Profile picture of the author deezn
                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                  Ridiculous nonsense!!!!

                                  Its an urban myth that MikeF is more patient than me. You just need to know the code words to send him off. Don't tell anyone but the two words are

                                  Britney Spears....


                                  lol...when Mike read this everybody ..........RUN!!
                                  I'm not saying Mike F isn't more patient because he has to be *cough mod* but it is what it is.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                    Originally Posted by deezn View Post

                                    I'm not saying Mike F isn't more patient because he has to be *cough mod* but it is what it is.
                                    No Mike is definitely more patient non Britney Spears related. You haven't been keeping track of Forum news though. All mods are now out of Australia. There a whole new team replacing all the old so right now Mike is just more patient because he is.
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                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                  Its an urban myth that MikeF is more patient than me. You just need to know the code words to send him off. Don't tell anyone but the two words are

                                  Britney Spears....


                                  lol...when Mike read this everybody ..........RUN!!
                                  Thanks man!! Now I know how to get Mikes goat! Best advice all week!!

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                                    Originally Posted by jinx1221 View Post

                                    Thanks man!! Now I know how to get Mikes goat! Best advice all week!!

                                    If only she looked like that.



                                    She could have had a great career, if she never spoke. Soon as she opens her mouth, she vomits stupidity all over the place.

                                    Not my cup of tea anyhow though.
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                                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                                      If only she looked like that.

                                      She could have had a great career, if she never spoke. Soon as she opens her mouth, she vomits stupidity all over the place.
                                      ROFL.....told you guys

                                      For more vintage stuff from Mike on the two code words see here

                                      http://www.warriorforum.com/search-e...ming-soon.html


                                      Years later and the fire still burns
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                                        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                        ROFL.....told you guys

                                        For more vintage stuff from Mike on the two code words see here

                                        http://www.warriorforum.com/search-e...ming-soon.html


                                        Years later and the fire still burns

                                        Wow... How did you remember that thread or find it? Lol...
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                                        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                                          Wow... How did you remember that thread or find it? Lol...

                                          Easy........ Google - MikeFriedman "britney spears" - and look for the warrior forum result.

                                          Kind of depressed myself though. Seeing the names and the caliber of discussions back then compared to now is a real bummer.
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      Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

      However, we get a pissing match. I guess this may be good for business - or bad - depending on if character is important when employing people.
      I was never in "your" thread trying to get employed. Post 43 dragged my name and what I do into this thread for absolutely NO GOOD REASON. Previous to that it was a discussion about issues without any reference to people. If its your idea that responding to nonsense like that is bad character then thats your issue. You are on an open and free board. I have no intention of letting that character get away with that without a response.

      Meanwhile if you read past that you will find a lot of direction and comparisons of the pro and con of using a service versus building your own
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    Aww c'mon, you can't not like this jem!! Lol!!

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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Lol... I was just going back and reading it. That thread is fantastic. It should be a sticky.
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      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Lol... I was just going back and reading it. That thread is fantastic. It should be a sticky.
      Freaking entertaining and smart discussion. However In relation to this thread I am kind of partial to this sales comment in 2012

      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      Anyway, I'm pretty excited about what the new update has to bring. My services should be Penguin proof by now.
      ooops
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        Lol... Always trying to make a sale.
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    I used them in the past cause I already had dozens of shared hosting plans and it became quite an effort to keep track of all, also some shared hosts only allow so many addon domains and that type of things so I got lazy and got some additional SEO hosts. Now I've ditched them all and just bought a few dozen additional shared hosting plans. Makes me sleep better.
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