Penguin 3.0 the skinny - our data

by outfox
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Guys just our two cents on Penguin 3.0 we host and manage over 1000 sites and watch our metrics and rankings with equal paranoia. Just wanted to flag a couple of points that have absolutely made a difference to our owned sites and those of clients.


Here is what we found based on old sites we had with legacy links, older sites with spam stuff , as well as all our newer link building (read last twelve-eighteen months) that has relied on citations and a mix of PBN only (some old fashioned machined out spun articles and most original content)


Sites with spammy links got hammered BUT !! ...If they had a good mix of niche relevant links pointing to them they survived just fine

We looked at a lot of our forgotten sites - still live but unwanted by us and dormant for a long while but were still ranking well - we used a lot of tools back in the day - GSA being our favoured gun. These sites have not had links built to them for well over a year - there was a marked difference though in terms of outcome. If a site had only had thin content web 2.0s or spam pointing to it - it had a marked drop - if it had the same type of links but with a healthy dollop of niche PBN it increased its rankings. It looks like spam can be tolerated to some degree, provided the Google monster sees enough quality links to counter it.


However we have weaned ourselves of tiered link building using tools for nigh on two years and even though it may still represent a shortcut that works - don't use it for any site you care about.


Relevance really really matters...we have never considered Google stupid but they really do seem to be putting out smarter updates
Remember back in the day? A boatload of links from any kind of private / public network would rocket rankings. It was a guaranteed boost - buy 50 links and watch you rankings rise....happiness!



In this update the most profound difference we noticed with sites that sailed to the top was that they were backed not just by good quality links, but that these links were niche relevant. This matters and makes life even more difficult for link sellers. No longer can you have ten blogs and post out to ten different money sites with the same effect - there is real power in relevance - None of us know for sure what goes on inside Google Towers but they have absolutely turned a dial on this. If you really want a PBN to work for you whether private (as in your own) or public (no such thing as a private network that sells links) you best be sure the content on those sites relates to content on your money site - sure the page rank/trust flow/ domain authority etc might carry weight but a whole lot less if the on site content does not relate to your niche.


Ignore on page at your peril....you cannot sustainably throw up junk sites and expect Google love.

No more three page adsense wonders...If you are going to create a money site make it worthy. Original content - all titles in place, some media (video/image) make it look like a site someone cares about - if at all possible Silo that site at least three pages deep in a couple of categories. Google is becoming masterful at reading and understanding content/context - the other issue this throws up is that it no longer seems as reliant on incoming anchor text to your site to understand it - so be real careful with anchor text % - we are now going no more than 2% money keyword.


Create readable original content on your money sites. Sure it's more work but your site will stay in the index. There are more words written about on page that I can go into here - PM me if you want a guide.
I know a lot of people got burned in the update and back in 2012 we did when Build My Rank and others got hit. It's why we started building our own networks - we just wanted to be bullet proof or at least be as sure as we can be. SEO is not dead - as always it simply changes.
Hope this is of some help - everything here is our direct data driven experience of the last few weeks - not guesswork.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    I agree with most you said though I don't really agree that a relevant link carries more weight.

    I think it works more in the sense that you can get away with spam when having relevant links, but that you still need to get the power, read as link juice, somewhere.

    I am doing a test right now where a brand new domain received links from 12 hyper relevant dropped domains that we restored with archive.org, the domains are weak and that reflects in the rankings.

    I'm pretty sure that once I start building some juicy links that the rankings will increase AND that the rankings will survive the next Penguin refresh, which wouldn't be possible without those relevant links.

    I've been saying it for a few weeks that relevant links are hugely important these days but somehow most are to stubborn to agree, probably it's just ignorance cause they simply don't have the data to make any conclusions off.

    Though I don't track 1000+ sites I do track 100+ sites and it was very clear that relevant links were the only significant difference between a site ranking or tanking.

    Funny enough, some people even claim that Google isn't able to know what a site is about and that's there argument that relevancy doesn't matter.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Hers the thing and Nik0 can sing until the cows come home. those of us that were not throwing up bucket loads of clients on the same page are not seeing the differences that you guys are. Heres what you guys are missing.

      Spam and relevancy OVERLAP as issues. When I put three customers on one network and work them together 33% of the page will be about a given subject AND the sites are less spammy. They are not linking out to several different niches. when you put 7 and eight then thats around 14%

      So the problem is you can't isolate between spammy and relevant.

      Meanwhile nope...no matter how incredulous Nik0 is - its just PLAIN BASIC ORDINARY COMMON SENSE - There are many sites Google cannot identify a niche and they are not hurting neither is getting a link from them either - BUT they are also not spammy either

      High authority blogs write on a variety of subjects, newspapers cover diffferent subjects EVERY DAY, Magazine sites have new features and on and on.

      What won't happen on any of these sites is that it won't have "inversion board" anchor text and "how to train your dog" anchor text in the next story and "steroid max" in the next article.

      In other words naturally and organically they are not spammy. Thats not to say that Google doesn't map sites out that are authorities on particular subjects but its not penalizing to get a good link from a non relevant site and neither is creating just relevant PBNs with crappy but relevant content going to make you PBNs authority for that niche either.

      Thats a load of nonsense to sell a service by some people here

      Meanwhile truly PRIVATE exclusive to a single user networks are not seeing the differences you guys claim because they are already less spammy from NOT having all those different clients on the same site.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Hers the thing and Nik0 can sing until the cows come home. those of us that were not throwing up bucket loads of clients on the same page are not seeing the differences that you guys are. Heres what you guys are missing.

        Spam and relevancy OVERLAP as issues. When I put three customers on one network and work them together 33% of the page will be about a given subject AND the sites are less spammy. They are not linking out to several different niches. when you put 7 and eight then thats around 14%

        So the problem is you can't isolate between spammy and relevant.

        Meanwhile nope...no matter how incredulous Nik0 is - its just PLAIN BASIC ORDINARY COMMON SENSE - There are many sites Google cannot identify a niche and they are not hurting neither is getting a link from them either - BUT they are also not spammy either

        High authority blogs write on a variety of subjects, newspapers cover diffferent subjects EVERY DAY, Magazine sites have new features and on and on.

        What won't happen on any of these sites is that it won't have "inversion board" anchor text and "how to train your dog" anchor text in the next story and "steroid max" in the next article.

        In other words naturally and organically they are not spammy. Thats not to say that Google doesn't map sites out that are authorities on particular subjects but its not penalizing to get a good link from a non relevant site and neither is creating just relevant PBNs with crappy but relevant content going to make you PBNs authority for that niche either.

        Thats a load of nonsense to sell a service by some people here

        Meanwhile truly PRIVATE exclusive to a single user networks are not seeing the differences you guys claim because they are already less spammy from NOT having all those different clients on the same site.
        Decided to give you a break and do read some of it, funny to see you already adjusted your opinion a bit by admitting that Google maps out sites, same like I mentioned in the recent past which got blatantly ignored lol.

        For the rest, yes I do have the experience of having multiple different links on the same page, or in other words links from complete irrelevant pages, same like most bookmark sites, web directories and spammy blog comments which are already qualified as spam.

        That's how I can see how insane important relevancy is, and yes sites with crappy PBN links but a good portion of relevant links survive. So in other words, relevancy saves sites from tanking, now next time don't open your mouth about things you know nothing about okay?

        Instead better just stick to what you're best at, selling domains that people can pick up for $10 reg fee their selves.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          Decided to give you a break and do read some of it, funny to see you already adjusted your opinion a bit by admitting that Google maps out sites, same like I mentioned in the recent past which got blatantly ignored lol.
          Adjusted what?? Do you ever stop lying to try and get a sale??? Who doesn't know that Google identifies sites like Wikipedia as an authority or Webmd for medical information. You needed Penguin to teach you that??? but heres the problem - you putting your crappy ten dollar articles on a site about medicine won't make it webmd...sorry.

          For the rest, yes I do have the experience of having multiple different links on the same page, or in other words links from complete irrelevant pages, same like most bookmark sites, web directories and spammy blog comments which are already qualified as spam.
          Yes you do and you even tanked your own Amazon sites with your crappy built PBNs which is EXACTLY why you see a big difference when you switch from spam to less spam like those who were building truly private networks have been doing for awhile. So glad you kinda caught up.

          now next time don't open your mouth about things you know nothing about okay?
          Dude if that were the case you would need to stay on mute when anyone talks about PBNs because you don't even know how to source your own without a broker. case in point

          Instead better just stick to what you're best at, selling domains that people can pick up for $10 reg fee their selves.
          ROFL you already admitted in the other thread you pay around $50 for some domains from your broker. I get my domains from the same places (hint: not the only place you know - expireddomains.net). So I guess you aint one of those people who could pick them up for $10 eh?

          You are always funny I give you that Nik0

          But back on the subject - a crappy PBN is not going to make Google blink just because the crappiness is relevant.
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  • Profile picture of the author outfox
    Whoa turn your back for a minute and it all kicks off.

    I have respect for you both and it was mikes initial training that kicked us off on pbns .
    I just like what works . Would a ten site pbn with strong metrics then repurposed with spun content backed with GSA work? Yep like a sweetie . But how long for ? It's a longer process but grab good domains layer with unique content, make it a real site, if you treat every site like a money site you will reap dividends. If you are in the quick shot affiliate game or burn n churn this will be too time consuming.

    Original post is based on what we have seen and tested. But as always testing yourself is the only way to be absolutely sure. Both mike and niko have bben in this game and on this forum for some time. Learn from experienced guys but march to the beat of your own drummer . That way win or lose you only have yourself to thank /blame... :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by outfox View Post

      Whoa turn your back for a minute and it all kicks off.

      I have respect for you both and it was mikes initial training that kicked us off on pbns .
      I just like what works . Would a ten site pbn with strong metrics then repurposed with spun content backed with GSA work? Yep like a sweetie . But how long for ? It's a longer process but grab good domains layer with unique content, make it a real site, if you treat every site like a money site you will reap dividends. If you are in the quick shot affiliate game or burn n churn this will be too time consuming.
      Hey OF I am TOTALLY with you on that. By and large I wouldn't take much issues with your post especially not with making real sites but Nik0 has been trying to go over the top to pimp his latests "solution" making claims that relevance can save you from all kinds of things even if you are on SEO hosting.

      From what I read you are about making the sites as real as possible where Nik0 has been talking about just relevance being some key by itself sans the quality issue.

      To me the data is skewed if you ae changing more than one thing at a time. If you are putting in quality, not sticking a hole lot of unrelated links and boosting relevancy they ALL can contribute to changes in how your site ranks.

      Since I am seeing sites move up after a few links even from sites that are not hyper niche related I tend to think its other signals contributing to the effect. Then theres the issue of what is meant by relevant - how specific is it? I just don't think its that specific because sites get links to all kinds of places that cover all kinds of sub niches but may fall under a very broad nice like say - business.

      If theres anyone else here I suggest on networks its Mike Friedman. I've never seen him have to go after after other peoples products just to make a sale (he will if he thinks its garbage but thats fair in my opinion) but a certain person has gotten into doing that even when no one is near mentioning his service even out of the blue and sorry doesn't know PBNs half as much as Mike and making claims about relevance that are unsupported to match what he offers.

      So if you felt I was firing at you in my response I thought I would just tell you the back story and it wasn't focused on you. IF anything by some of his comments that poater was trying to align you with things I haven't yet see you align yourself to yet and take veiled shots at people who don't agree with his "solution" and the claims used to prop it up.

      Glad the course worked out well for you.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        From what I read you are about making the sites as real as possible where Nik0 has been talking about just relevance being some key by itself sans the quality issue.
        Wow do you even realize what you wrote there?

        Making a site look real saves you from a Penguin algorithm? Most ridiculous thing I ever read on this forum.

        Hahahah Mike, the biggest down talker of all services on this forum is now blaming ohters for doing the same? Oh Mike you are such a funny guy, you're making my day

        Perhaps you can enlighten me about a crappy PBN though, I think you mean those hyper relevant domains that are very weak, like PR1 at best or more likely PR0? Maybe you should read Mike F's guide again where he says he also adds some PR0 domain for this clients (yep I bought his guide on recommendations of someone else cause it would deal with a certain topic I was interested in) as it's highly unnatural to only have PR3-PR4 links. Oh but wait when Mike F is doing it it isn't crappy anymore, measuring with two sizes ain't nothing new

        As for monitoring a dozen or so auctions / systems to gather domains. I value my time at $200/hour Mike so it's cheaper to have someone else source PR3 domains for me, it's worth it to pay $40-$50 for that. When he has a list of say 80 PR3 domains I quickly go through it and handpick maybe 5-10 of them, that's a lot less time consuming then going through 10.000's of them at a time. But hey if you like to play with nickles, be my guest.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          Wow do you even realize what you wrote there?

          Making a site look real saves you from a Penguin algorithm? Most ridiculous thing I ever read on this forum.
          You never were too bright kid. A site that looks and reads real has more similarities to organic and as such is less likely to have spam signals.

          Less spammy links - looks more natural
          Less spun content - looks more natural

          So yes the closer a site gets to being real the less likely it will have link spam signals. Captain obvious.

          Plus as usual you can't read a lick of English. He specifically stated - "For how long?" so he is looking towards the future and I agree. Only a nit would disagree making your PBN look as natural as possible is a benefit. The problem is service providers such as yourself cant afford to put all that in to your packages so for the sake of sales (which are dropping off anyway) you argue against common sense (not that you in particular wouldn't anyway)

          If all that is the most ridiculous thing you have read on these forums then you obviously don't read your posts after you make them.

          Hahahah Mike, the biggest down talker of all services on this forum is now blaming ohters for doing the same?
          Many of us senior members routinely put down garbage SEO. Whatever people think of me and my style they know I believe what I say. Shucks I blow up sales speaking my mind. You however are well known for saying anything for a sale and because Penguin has slapped your customer base silly you have turned to talking about people and their offers in this forum even when it doesn't even vaguely have anything to do with anything. Your two most recent targets are products and services that offers ownership of their own network or how to build their own which sends you into a fit because if they do that they will pass on your $2400/ year service that gives 10 link sources divided to give at best PR3 power each.

          I'd shake in my boots too (and keep a ticket for Holland handy). link rental services are a Dinosaur and Google is slapping them left and right every other month.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Perhaps you can enlighten me about a crappy PBN though, I think you mean those hyper relevant domains that are very weak, like PR1 at best or more likely PR0? Maybe you should read Mike F's guide again where he says he also adds some PR0 domain for this clients (yep I bought his guide on recommendations of someone else cause it would deal with a certain topic I was interested in) as it's highly unnatural to only have PR3-PR4 links.
            A) Mike's his own person and so am I. Because I recognize he knows more about PBNs than you ( I had to teach you in several threads - FACT - never had to teach Mike) doesn't mean we have to agree on everything. I see no point in developing juiceless sites. You can utilize all kinds of sites to get N/A and zero links.

            B) I am quite sure Mike isn't claiming crap like you that with 10 PR4s divided by four people using it into really PR3 strength links and some domains picked out of searching for words at expiredomains.net you are going to rank for competitive terms. That gem of a claim is all yours to fool the poor souls into handing over $2400 to you every year for multiple years

            C) by crappy I mean everything besides the Pr4s because for all of your garbage about other services you don't promise metrics on anything besides the PR4s that you split up four ways to be PR3 links

            so it's cheaper to have someone else source PR3 domains for me, it's worth it to pay $40-$50 for that. .
            ROFL....See people? you give people with no conscience enough rope and they trip themselves up eventually. So you buy domains in the $50 range you admit again eh? Well do tell you dishonest soul because when I sell in the $40-$50 a domain price range you claim my price says it all and that it can only be Hayden domains with no links because backorders cost $50. But here you admit tht you buy domains in the same range from yoru broker. Your ignorance knows no end. Your dishonesty palpable. How much do you think your broker buys the $50 domains for???? $50 for no profit? your reasoning is as silly as your avatar looks.

            that's a lot less time consuming then going through 10.000's of them at a time. But hey if you like to play with nickles, be my guest.
            Um duh three things
            A) your broker still has more knowledge of domains than you do
            B) I provide the exact service as your broker but you claim its impossible at the same price he charges you.
            C) don't even try to claim your broker has strong PR3s laying around that he could sell for over a hundred on the present market but chooses to sell for $50 to you. No one will buy it.

            All you have proven is you talk out of both sides of your mouth.
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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              A) Mike's his own person and so am I. Because I recognize he knows more about PBNs than you ( I had to teach you in several threads - FACT - never had to teach Mike) doesn't mean we have to agree on everything. I see no point in developing juiceless sites. You can utilize all kinds of sites to get N/A and zero links.

              B) I am quite sure Mike isn't claiming crap like you that with 10 PR4s divided by four people using it into really PR3 strength links and some domains picked out of searching for words at expiredomains.net you are going to rank for competitive terms. That gem of a claim is all yours to fool the poor souls into handing over $2400 to you every year for multiple years

              C) by crappy I mean everything besides the Pr4s because for all of your garbage about other services you don't promise metrics on anything besides the PR4s that you split up four ways to be PR3 links

              ROFL....See people? you give people with no conscience enough rope and they trip themselves up eventually. So you buy domains in the $50 range you admit again eh? Well do tell you dishonest soul because when I sell in the $40-$50 a domain price range you claim my price says it all and that it can only be Hayden domains with no links because backorders cost $50. But here you admit tht you buy domains in the same range from yoru broker. Your ignorance knows no end. Your dishonesty palpable. How much do you think your broker buys the $50 domains for???? $50 for no profit? your reasoning is as silly as your avatar looks.

              Um duh three things
              A) your broker still has more knowledge of domains than you do
              B) I provide the exact service as your broker but you claim its impossible at the same price he charges you.
              C) don't even try to claim your broker has strong PR3s laying around that he could sell for over a hundred on the present market but chooses to sell for $50 to you. No one will buy it.

              All you have proven is you talk out of both sides of your mouth.
              You definitely do not provide he exact service as my broker, I saw the metrics you sell off, I never go that low with the PR3's I buy.

              From the 80 PR3 domains he comes up with every 2-4 weeks only 5 or 10 are worthy enough for me to buy. The other 70-75 domains are most likely the type of crap you end up with.

              You like to make it sound like there's an unlimited amount of solid PR3 domains for sale for just $10,-, but that's simply not true, we all know that.

              If it were true you would advertise it as PR3 and not as MozRank2+ (lol what the hell MozRank 2+). All the PR3 domains that I buy for $40-$50 are MozRank3.5+ / MozTrust 4+ and DA25+. Why are your metrics so crappy?

              Though PR is outdated for over a year it's still the most reliable metric of all as MozRank / MozTrust means NOTHING at all. To bad Yukon ain't here to defend that lol, did he really get banned? At least he knows what Moz is all about, a bunch of useless shit, only good to do some pre-filtering and to be abused by people like you to sell the crap out of weak domains.

              IF you did sell real PR3 domains you would sell very little, cause there are not enough domains for you to sell.

              You know what? I'll send a mail to one of my old customers that was planning to buy some domains from you that he will turn into money sites. Why he doesn't buy from me? I'm not interested in some penny business. I'll let you know by PM when I have had a look at them.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                You definitely do not provide he exact service as my broker, I saw the metrics you sell off, I never go that low with the PR3's I buy.
                We have already seen you will lie on a dime so your testimonials mean nothing. What I Put on my site are minimums and I do not buy domains off metrics but the backlinks. I just picked up one DA 35 with several PR 4 links among others and a customer will get that. Try and not show yourself more incompetent to debate me on this than you already have. You can try and float any garbage you wish to the newbs but it won't fly to anyone that your anonymous broker sells good PR3s to you for $50 that are just lying around when he could get three times that on the market. Blow smoke somewhere else. those are some weak knee PR3s and every knows it I don't sell on PR for the simple reason that it is a year old metric that even Google say s theya re abandoning showing updates for.

                You like to make it sound like there's an unlimited amount of solid PR3 domains for sale for just $10,-, but that's simply not true, we all know that.
                "We" all know you are lying again. I am well known for saying no one should go off PR anymore since its a year being updated. So I am not making it sound like anything but perhaps like a lot of sellers you are just buying PR3s for show that don't even have the links you claim and precisely because they no longer update

                If it were true you would advertise it as PR3 and not as MozRank2+ (lol what the hell MozRank 2+).
                LOL so apparently you are bad at maths too. MR 2+ means 2 AND UP silly. Why do I include 2?? well because as anyone who actually knows anything about buying domains (who can do so cough cough cough without a broker) MANY times a single metric can get things very wrong especially since Moz misses plenty of links. So instead of having to pass on a solid domain because oh no it shows a MR2 I always check the backlinks.

                I guess I could teach you how Moz often gets domains wrong . Do you want me to teach you more about PBNs? So perhaps you can understand how to use metrics as filters NOT determinants of quality by themselves? Mr I buy real PR3s at $50 from my broker even though he could get three times that selling it at godaddy?. Who you foolin with your fake PR3 aint been updated in a year metric?

                Though PR is outdated for over a year it's still the most reliable metric of all as MozRank / MozTrust means NOTHING at all.
                BULL! Every day worthless PR3 and up are being bought up that have ZERO links and they are being bought by sellers like yourself who try to fool people that metrics that have not been updated for a year still hold as reliable. Google has all but said they are done upgrading the toolbar and each month that goes by Pagerank becomes more and more worthless


                Why he doesn't buy from me? I'm not interested in some penny business. I'll let you know by PM when I have had a look at them.
                Dude do anything, hint at anything you want and play any game you want. I've told you i won't sit around twiddling my fingers. I have far more to um.... look at.
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                • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  We have already seen you will lie on a dime so your testimonials mean nothing. What I Put on my site are minimums and I do not buy domains off metrics but the backlinks. I just picked up one DA 35 with several PR 4 links among others and a customer will get that. Try and not show yourself more incompetent to debate me on this than you already have. You can try and float any garbage you wish to the newbs but it won't fly to anyone that your anonymous broker sells good PR3s to you for $50 that are just lying around when he could get three times that on the market. Blow smoke somewhere else. those are some weak knee PR3s and every knows it I don't sell on PR for the simple reason that it is a year old metric that even Google say s theya re abandoning showing updates for.
                  Woeehahahaha he is going to sell a PR4 domain for $35 is it? Yeah right.

                  Why you think I pick 5-10 out of 80 domains? Cause he does extensive research on each of them, if that was so I would buy all 80 don't you think? Plenty of market for them. Like I said, good PR3's for that cheap are RARE.

                  I thought you claimed you sold good PR3's for $35,- and now you admit that there are only crappy PR3's for $50,-? And that exactly proves why my PR4 domains that cost $250 on average are much stronger then your weak PR3's or most likely PR1-PR2's, not 5 times stronger, no more like 50 or 125 times stronger if we follow your or searchenginelands multiply by 5 factor.

                  Oh yeah you haven't said it in those exact words, (before you call me a liar again) but you insinuated multiple times that you pick up the same domains as my broker and my broker has some solid PR3's and nothing is lied about that so who is the liar here?


                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  "We" all know you are lying again. I am well known for saying no one should go off PR anymore since its a year being updated. So I am not making it sound like anything but perhaps like a lot of sellers you are just buying PR3s for show that don't even have the links you claim and precisely because they no longer update

                  LOL so apparently you are bad at maths too. MR 2+ means 2 AND UP silly. Why do I include 2?? well because as anyone who actually knows anything about buying domains (who can do so cough cough cough without a broker) MANY times a single metric can get things very wrong especially since Moz misses plenty of links. So instead of having to pass on a solid domain because oh no it shows a MR2 I always check the backlinks.
                  Yeah yeah we all know how that game works, MozRank 2 PLUS.


                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  I guess I could teach you how Moz often gets domains wrong . Do you want me to teach you more about PBNs? So perhaps you can understand how to use metrics as filters NOT determinants of quality by themselves? Mr I buy real PR3s at $50 from my broker even though he could get three times that selling it at godaddy?. Who you foolin with your fake PR3 aint been updated in a year metric?

                  BULL! Every day worthless PR3 and up are being bought up that have ZERO links and they are being bought by sellers like yourself who try to fool people that metrics that have not been updated for a year still hold as reliable. Google has all but said they are done upgrading the toolbar and each month that goes by Pagerank becomes more and more worthless

                  Dude do anything, hint at anything you want and play any game you want. I've told you i won't sit around twiddling my fingers. I have far more to um.... look at.
                  You teaching me PBN's, give me a break please.

                  I don't want to end up with a network that isn't able to rank anything.

                  Yep I'm the first to agree that quite a few clients tanked, however they all stick with me so far in an attempt to recover them and I even landed a few more clients. You know why they stick with me? Cause I made them a hell of a lot of money in the last 12-24 months. If I follow your route to PBN's they probably wouldn't tank but they would never have made any substantial amount of money either.

                  Yes PR is outdated but Moz metrics are way worse in their inaccuracy so let me buy based on outdated PR and you'll buy based on metrics that mean nothing in the real world.

                  Each to it's own!
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            You never were too bright kid. A site that looks and reads real has more similarities to organic and as such is less likely to have spam signals.

            Less spammy links - looks more natural
            Less spun content - looks more natural

            So yes the closer a site gets to being real the less likely it will have link spam signals. Captain obvious.

            Plus as usual you can't read a lick of English. He specifically stated - "For how long?" so he is looking towards the future and I agree. Only a nit would disagree making your PBN look as natural as possible is a benefit. The problem is service providers such as yourself cant afford to put all that in to your packages so for the sake of sales (which are dropping off anyway) you argue against common sense (not that you in particular wouldn't anyway)

            If all that is the most ridiculous thing you have read on these forums then you obviously don't read your posts after you make them.
            Why you bring spun content and spammy links in the equation? That's not what we were talking about. We were talking about solid domains with written content..

            A typical Mike A trick that we've seen too many times, making up stories to make it look better for him. What a retarded response as usual.


            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Many of us senior members routinely put down garbage SEO. Whatever people think of me and my style they know I believe what I say. Shucks I blow up sales speaking my mind. You however are well known for saying anything for a sale and because Penguin has slapped your customer base silly you have turned to talking about people and their offers in this forum even when it doesn't even vaguely have anything to do with anything. Your two most recent targets are products and services that offers ownership of their own network or how to build their own which sends you into a fit because if they do that they will pass on your $2400/ year service that gives 10 link sources divided to give at best PR3 power each.

            I'd shake in my boots too (and keep a ticket for Holland handy). link rental services are a Dinosaur and Google is slapping them left and right every other month.
            Likes to talk about garbage SEO and used to sell the most garbage domains ever existed on this planet, and nowadays manages to rank only the weakest of SERP's.

            Funny that it's you who brings up garbage SEO.

            Glad to hear you still believe what you say.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              Why you bring spun content and spammy links in the equation? That's not what we were talking about. We were talking about solid domains with written content..
              Jiminy do I have to teach you how to read too? Thats what Outfox was talking about when we talked about sites looking real. READ ---

              Would a ten site pbn with strong metrics then repurposed with spun content backed with GSA work? Yep like a sweetie . But how long for ?
              Only thing retarded is your ability to read English
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              and nowadays manages to rank only the weakest of SERP's.
              Liar. You don't know what I rank for with my PBN. I don't sell links on it and you have never seen mine like I have seen yours. You don't have a clue of what I rank for nowadays. With you its just one lie after the next. How do you have the time in between ripping peoples content to put on your clients site so they can get themselves in trouble? VAs you hire to steal the content?

              Meanwhile I notice you haven't told the class how your broker can sell domains to you for $50 that you buy when you claimed only Hayden style domains with no links can sell for that.

              LOl you are such a joke. Hopefully from that everyone can see how craptacular your claims are and I can ignore your nonsense for awhile.
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                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                Jiminy do I have to teach you how to read too? Thats what Outfox was talking about when we talked about sites looking real. READ ---

                Only thing retarded is your ability to read English
                We changed subject already, stay up to date instead of grabbing info from OP when it suits you and you damn know pretty well that what was said in OP was not what I was talking about (yeah sorry for derail to OP I suppose).
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                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                Liar. You don't know what I rank for with my PBN. I don't sell links on it and you have never seen mine like I have seen yours. You don't have a clue of what I rank for nowadays. With you its just one lie after the next. How do you have the time in between ripping peoples content to put on your clients site so they can get themselves in trouble? VAs you hire to steal the content?

                Meanwhile I notice you haven't told the class how your broker can sell domains to you for $50 that you buy when you claimed only Hayden style domains with no links can sell for that.

                LOl you are such a joke. Hopefully from that everyone can see how craptacular your claims are and I can ignore your nonsense for awhile.
                The sites I've seen that received links from you weren't ranking for anything so.....

                Class, where? Mike being the teacher, that's one hell of a joke.

                I never claimed only Hayden style domains sell for that, I could never be bothered to find out what price my broker pays to be honest. $40 is a very fair price for a solid PR3 domain, I ain't gonna fill my days browswing dozens of auctions and registrars and going through 1000's of domains to find the few gems he picks up on a regular base using some semi-automated system. These domains used to be about $35 back in the days but hey prices increase, but with that $35 in mind it doesn't take much though to realize that he probably buys them for $10,-

                But as said, you always make me repeat myself, solid PR3's are a very rare kind to pick up for reg fee, that's why I can only buy few of them from him and he's the largest most solid broker I ever discovered and that's why you can NOT sell them en masse, so either you have a tiny client base or you're selling crappy domains 1+1 =2.

                And please stop all your misleading nonsense, your metrics tell everything, if your domains were so strong you would advertise with much higher metrics then the PR0-PR1 style you're doing now as that's what it matches up with.

                Soon I will see those domains and then my assumptions will be confirmed.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                  We changed subject already
                  You are lost as usual. the quote you took issue with was in direct response to that quote about spun content.

                  The sites I've seen that received links from you weren't ranking for anything so....
                  You haven't seen squat since I have not used my network for anybody here in years (and even then only a small part). Just more lies. You are playing a hilarious game that can only end up blowing up in your face but you are not even smart enough to realize that. I know where everything is for you. You don't. Its a game you cannot possibly win. You are like a guy soaked in gasoline pulling out his cigar lighter telling me he's going to burn me. You should a been in Zoolander.

                  edit - can't be bothered - we've derailed this thread long enough and you are a collosal waste of time.
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                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    You are lost as usual. the quote you took issue with was in direct response to that quote about spun content.

                    You haven't seen squat since I have not used my network for anybody here in years (and even then only a small part). Just more lies. You are playing a hilarious game that can only end up blowing up in your face but you are not even smart enough to realize that. I know where everything is for you. You don't. Its a game you cannot possibly win. You are like a guy soaked in gasoline pulling out his cigar lighter telling me he's going to burn me. You should a been in Zoolander.

                    edit - can't be bothered - we've derailed this thread long enough and you are a collosal waste of time.
                    Wow are you saying you didn't sell domains in the past? Like about 1-2 years ago, Yes you did and I had a couple of people show me what you sold them.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                      Wow are you saying you didn't sell domains in the past? Like about 1-2 years ago, Yes you did and I had a couple of people show me what you sold them.
                      How is selling domains showing my network and what I rank for nowadays like you claim?? You are like a little kid - can't even keep your story straight. I tried years ago to build PR domains with links not knowing that google did not do regular updates. It worked out well in some cases and not as I expectd in others. You are now years later trying to lie your way to saying that relates to what I rank for nowadays. Sheesh such a liar.

                      Meanwhile more than a couple people have showed me your craptacular network and you yourself have a thread where you tanked your own amazon sites. Why don't we talk about that since that just happened a few weeks ago? especially in light of the fact that you previously were claiming your service was ahem "nearly Penguin proof. Shucks some people have compared you to the Laclears - and yes lying one - threads with them, Mike and I were in is where you learned a lot about PBNs you didn't know.

                      Yep I'm the first to agree that quite a few clients tanked, however they all stick with me so far in an attempt to recover them and I even landed a few more clients. You know why they stick with me? Cause I made them a hell of a lot of money in the last 12-24 months.
                      More lies. You have Pmed me in the past whining about the high cancellation rate. Furthermore I don't know who you are trying to fool but ANY service that tanks people sites loses customers. You are not even credible.

                      Woeehahahaha he is goin to sell a PR4 domain for $35 is it? Yeah right.
                      Dude seriously. Learn to read english or maybe your broker didn't break it down for you - having PR 4 links does not mean a domain is Pr4....lol...People actually buy SEO from you??


                      I thought you claimed you sold good PR3's for $35,- and now you admit that there are only crappy PR3's for $50,-?
                      No liar never said I did sell Pr3s. I've said several times I don;t buy on it and I have said I don't sell on it. You really think anyone reading doesn't KNOW you are lying. There are people like you that buy on PR and some are swallowing up PR3s just to say they are PR3 but no one need buy your story that a broker has great PR3s with good links he could sell for $150 but sells it to you for $50. Try and float it again....still sinks
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                      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                        How is selling domains showing my network and what I rank for nowadays like you claim?? You are like a little kid - can't even keep your story straight. I tried years ago to build PR domains with links not knowing that google did not do regular updates. It worked out well in some cases and not as I expectd in others. You are now years later trying to lie your way to saying that relates to what I rank for nowadays. Sheesh such a liar.

                        Meanwhile more than a couple people have showed me your craptacular network and you yourself have a thread where you tanked your own amazon sites. Why don't we talk about that since that just happened a few weeks ago? especially in light of the fact that you previously were claiming your service was ahem "nearly Penguin proof. Shucks some people have compared you to the Laclears - and yes lying one - threads with them, Mike and I were in is where you learned a lot about PBNs you didn't know.

                        More lies. You have Pmed me in the past whining about the high cancellation rate. Furthermore I don't know who you are trying to fool but ANY service that tanks people sites loses customers. You are not even credible.
                        Blaming me of keeping a story straight while you continuosly look for ways out of the story. Dude come to your senses.

                        Lol, selling domains with a certain PR while they don't have the PR yet, I think there is a real nasty word to describe that.

                        Why we not talk about my previous service, I don't know you already brought it up and I already brought it up before in this thread so I guess we're talking about that already. Your memory is very short lived.

                        Dude I didn't learn a single thing from you about PBN's, I teached it myself and BMR/ALN and such inspired me. I used to resell those services and that's how I found out how effective PBN's were. From there I went to look for a broker as I didn't have the time to do all the research, though in the beginning some of my domains might be classified as weak, even by myself, if I would look back at them today, still they worked pretty well back then and obvious I learned a few things along the way by looking at lists of 100's of domains in total each time (yep 80 dropped pR3's and a hell lot more dropped and expired PR4's before you start to nitpick about that again like we're used from you).

                        Penguin brought something completely new this time, it started to automatically classify certain PBN links as spam, which it never did before or I would have found out already.

                        When did I pm you again, 2 years ago or something when I just started? I guess so.

                        Back then the client cancellation rate was quite high, and for a reason, most sites that people came up with on this forum were penalized already and they hired my service for 1-2-3 months in an attempt to recover them. However I never offered a recovery service, a ranking service instead and that doesn't work on penalized domains, simple as that.

                        You remember what I did about 1.5 year ago when I got a bit tired from not ranking sites? I started to refuse affiliate type of clients and only accepted real businesses, that didn't deal with SEnuke/Scrapebox spammed backlink profiles and guess what? The cancellation rate dropped big time and a large amount of clients turned into clients for life.

                        Then what happened after that, we had a new Penguin update, that didn't affect the links I build but some had spammy link profiles but not as bad as those IM guys, so some tanked and some were lost as a client, then we had two significant Panda updates, that resulted in a certain loss of clients again as people weren't prepared to alter their sites.

                        And so my client base went from 150 sites we worked on at it's peak to about 80 current websites from just 40 different customers and most of these 40 have been clients for more then a year. A very solid client base, many with multiple sites, all aware of the risks, many of them dealt with tanking before and we either recovered them or they started a new site that we ranked instead, and successfully of course. So that are my clients, 40 in total and all educated, you think gonna drop me like a brick now? Nope they like to work with me and give me a chance to recover them.

                        I explained in lengthy emails to them what we're going to do, how I redesigned my service from the ground up, how I took certain networks down and removed other type of links that could be categorized as spammy, what new links would be offered in replace and the result. 2 clients cancelled (very recent ones that were only subscribed for 2-3 months), another client with 6 sites replaced 4 of them. Another one with 30 sites with me explained his clients what was going to happen and most of them stick with him as well. So right now I have 82 sites to work on instead of 80. Especially with the complete new service they get way more value for their money so sure they give it a try.

                        I do have to admit that I was pleasantly surprised by the few cancellations,

                        Having clients is one thing, having clients that stick in hard times is something I'm pretty proud of and thankful for.

                        On top of that, we are in control of all the links we build, even on sites that we don't own like web2.0's and such that we kept login details for. So everything we did wrong can be fixed and is fixed so now it's waiting for a Penguin refresh to happen, hopefully that doesn't take too long or I obviously will lose a considerable amount of clients that aren't willing to switch sites.

                        Heck I even made them an offer, cancel now and you can resubscribe for the old price by the time you're recovered.

                        You know how many made use of that offer so far? NONE

                        I even had a few on Skype and one of them was dissappointed, I offered him the same and he agreed, yesterday I checked my Paypal and the new payment still came through, have to ask him if he forgot to cancel so I can refund.

                        That's how I work Mike, I take care of my clients pretty damn well and when things go wrong I do all to fix it, I ain't gonna hide like most link sellers on this forum and keep offering the same spammy links that tank sites when you reach a certain amount of them.
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                        This is classic.


                        And that exactly proves why my PR4 domains that cost $250 on average are much stronger then your weak PR3's
                        They would be for sure if you didn't divide them up with FIVE USERS thereby multiplying the links by FIVE. HAHAHAHA a SEO that doesn't realize the power of the links is diminished by the amount of the links. So who cares you claim PR4? They never own the domains and they are divided in juice by FIVE which swing high or swing low UNDENIABLY means you sell them the Juice of ten PR3s for $2400 a year and then another $2400 for the next year and then $2400 for the year after that.

                        They'd be FAAAAAAAAR better off going out and buying PR3s that they own.

                        THE CLASSIC PART

                        Meanwhile you claim my metrics are too low but whats that on your sales page???? Say it aint so. Is that not you claiming a five domain network for which you promise NO METRICS AT ALL is worth $250. Why yes it is

                        you will get to keep this network (worth $250,-) as well!
                        HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA..... the con of a sales man. His no metric promised at all 5 domain network is a $250 value but my 10 domain network that promises minimum metrics isn't worth under $500.

                        Take a bow for total hypocrisy and dishonesty kid. You say one thing in your sales copy and another thing here. Anything for a sale.


                        insinuated multiple times that you pick up the same domains as my broker and my broker has some solid PR3's and nothing is lied about that so who is the liar here?
                        You are because PR has not been updated in a year so yes it is possible to sell the same kind of domains that have the same amount of links. You nit you are still focused on metrics rather than on actual juice.

                        But i am more interested in your promised 5 domain network and how its worth $250 with no promise of any metrics whatsoever but ten with metrics promised for less isn't.

                        Now theres the definition of a fraud.
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                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          This is classic.


                          They would be for sure if you didn't divide them up with FIVE USERS thereby multiplying the links by FIVE. HAHAHAHA a SEO that doesn't realize the power of the links is diminished by the amount of the links. So who cares you claim PR4? They never own the domains and they are divided in juice by FIVE which swing high or swing low UNDENIABLY means you sell them the Juice of ten PR3s for $2400 a year and then another $2400 for the next year and then $2400 for the year after that.

                          They'd be FAAAAAAAAR better off going out and buying PR3s that they own.

                          THE CLASSIC PART

                          Meanwhile you claim my metrics are too low but whats that on your sales page???? Say it aint so. Is that not you claiming a five domain network for which you promise NO METRICS AT ALL is worth $250. Why yes it is

                          HAHHAHAHAHAHAHA..... the con of a sales man. His no metric promised at all 5 domain network is a $250 value but my 10 domain network that promises minimum metrics isn't worth under $500.

                          Take a bow for total hypocrisy and dishonesty kid. You say one thing in your sales copy and another thing here. Anything for a sale.


                          You are because PR has not been updated in a year so yes it is possible to sell the same kind of domains that have the same amount of links. You nit you are still focused on metrics rather than on actual juice.

                          But i am more interested in your promised 5 domain network and how its worth $250 with no promise of any metrics whatsoever but ten with metrics promised for less isn't.

                          Now theres the definition of a fraud.
                          You are really reaching a new level of insanity now.

                          Let's assume your multiply by 5 is true, so 5 links on a PR4 equals the strength of a PR3 ok.

                          But you don't sell PR3's, you sell weak PR1-PR2's at best.

                          ps: Those dedicated domains I offer are a bonus, it's not the core of the service so why do I have to mention metrics? If you really want to know most of them are DA20+, MozRank 3+, MozTrust 3+ as I filtered them on that a long time ago already (whoops I'm lieing again, long time ago equals 3 months ago but it feels like ages ago).

                          I say most cause there are a few ones that might be DA15. Let me update the sales thread for your pleasure ok

                          Update: You just forced me to post worthless metrics, happy now?

                          Anything else I need to adjust, for example stating that a PR4 domain is 25 times stronger then a PR2, I am willing to do that. Personally I prefer to say 64 times stronger but I'm reasonable, maybe I just turn it into 125 times stronger then a PR1 (I like that number) as thats what most sell when they come up with Moz 2/2/15 metrics.

                          On another note, seriously Mikey, if you can sell me solid PR3 domains for $35/pop like you seem to claim as you say your domains are just as strong as the ones I handpick from my broker then I buy your whole stock for 50 percent higher prices then what people pay now.

                          Let's put the word where your mouth is shall we? If you won't you just proved to everyone that you're full of shit.
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                            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                            But you don't sell PR3's, you sell weak PR1-PR2's at best.
                            You don't know what I sell oh lying Nik0 and besides your no metrics 5 domain networks is according to you worth $250

                            Busted. game over..... contradicted by your own sales page that face palms your own lie..

                            Night all!!
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                              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                              You don't know what I sell oh lying Nik0 and besides your no metrics 5 domain networks is according to you worth $250

                              Busted. game over..... contradicted by your own sales page that face palms your own lie..

                              Night all!!
                              Sure purposely don't read the other posts where the metrics are outed.

                              And hey don't forget this line:

                              Let's put the word where your mouth is shall we? If you won't you just proved to everyone that you're full of shit.

                              A chance to proof yourself, but oh no, watch out for the ghost under your bed lol.
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                                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                A chance to proof yourself, but oh no, watch out for the ghost under your bed lol.
                                I got brains Nik0 . I am not like you. Wheres the chance to prove myself??? You CLAIMING you get a certain quality from your broker for $50 when they sell for three times that? Want to compare then lets see the broker selling for that because the way you lie like a rug I will not be taking your word for it.

                                and no I don't care a rip about knowing your broker . I just am too smart to put you in a position to lie like you always do.

                                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                Lol, ridiculing his own service that is based on these worhtless metrics
                                RFOL...no I am laughing at you promising LOWER metrics and still claiming its worth more than my higher low.

                                Hilarious stuff. Sweet dreams for me.
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                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                  I got brains Nik0 . I am not like you. Wheres the chance to prove myself??? You CLAIMING you get a certain quality from your broker for $50 when they sell for three times that? Want to compare then lets see the broker selling for that because the way you lie like a rug I will not be taking your word for it.

                                  and no I don't care a rip about knowing your broker . I just am too smart to put you in a position to lie like you always do.
                                  Another trick to find out my broker, yes you're so smart.

                                  You know what I send you 5 domains where I already changed the whois data so you can't reverse it, and you sell me 5 of yours, that way you even make a few bucks in the process.

                                  Maybe even better what if I just buy 5 of your domains and post them here, would that be ok for everyone to judge? Or do you build any links to these domains and would that reveal sensitive information that you don't want out in the open? (i can understand that obviously) if not it shouldn't be a problem that I reveal few of your domains, Heck I would even use them in the rowflow case study. Could even lead to free advertisements for you.

                                  I don't know what about your brain but if you were a tiny bit smart you would realize that there is no reason for me to talk your service down as we both offer complete different services, I offer a all done for you service while you're just a domain seller, oh yeah and you offer over priced hosting at $2/month per domain, must be quite lucrative.

                                  Two complete different markets smarty!
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                                    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                    Maybe even better what if I just buy 5 of your domains and post them here, would that be ok for everyone to judge? !
                                    Sure but then how do we judge and evaluate your offer? or you think you are in some position to not have yours evaluated. Now that would be hilarious if you thought so. I could post your network here so everyone can evaluate your offer as well.

                                    Right now I am really game for that so lets go . I got the list nearby..
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                                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                      Sure but then how do we judge and evaluate your offer? or you think you are in some position to not have yours evaluated. Now thats would be hilarious if you thought so. I could post your network here so everyone can evaluate your offer as well.

                                      Right now I am really game for that so lets go
                                      It's itching ain't it.

                                      We'll have to have mine confirmed by a reliable third party that we both agree on, any recommendations?

                                      Same like I have to find someone to buy your domains so that the test doesn't get screwed.

                                      You have a list of domains that I've bought over a year ago, try something recent.
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                                        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                        It's itching ain't it.

                                        We'll have to have mine confirmed by a reliable third party that we both agree on, any recommendations?
                                        nope. everything out in the open on both sides so that both offers can be evaluated openly. You don't get any special perks. Anytime you are ready one goes up the other does too. here there anywhere..

                                        You have my word. We can start with the PR3s you have been talking about and making claims for and of course the strength of the PR4s which you say is absurd. Work our way up from there.

                                        Fair is fair - service evaluations all around
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                                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                          nope. everything out in the open on both sides so that both offers can be evaluated openly. You don't get any special perks. Anytime you are ready one goes up the other does too. here there anywhere..
                                          Lol you want to reveal my broker to the whole wide world, are you nuts?

                                          As little as you trust me I trust you the same.

                                          I would be able to give my broker list to someone I trust and I mark the ones I would buy in green.

                                          Then I have an anonymous buyer that buys domains from you, that way none of us can play any dirty game, afterall the domains in my broker list are still on his name. After that I can purchase them to verify that I can buy such domains.
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                                            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                            Lol you want to reveal my broker to the whole wide world, are you nuts?
                                            No one is talking about your broker anymore. You want to evaluate offers so its YOUR offer that will be evaluated and the quality of the network behind it just like you want to evaluate mine. Why so chicken now?
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                                              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                              No one is talking about your broker anymore. You want to evaluate offers so its YOUR offer that will be evaluated and the quality of the network behind it just like you want to evaluate mine. Why so chicken now?
                                              Dude I trust you as far as I see you, definitely you'll come up with a complete different list then advertised. I ain't playing that type of foolish games, either we do it good or we don't, no space for sleazy tricks.

                                              You claim that your domains are as strong as the ones I buy from my broker so I offered you to backup your statement. Show us what you got!

                                              ps: Obvious I won't show domains that are in use in my network, that would be foolish, I only show the ones that I recently bought (sorry those are in use already) so actually plan to buy as we speak.
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                                                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                                You claim that your domains are as strong as the ones I buy from my broker so I offered you to backup your statement. Show us what you got!
                                                You claim to have ahem absurdly Powerful PR4s . Show us what you got. I am game . I 'll show my list here and you show yours. simple. You lie so much who would ever trust you or what you say regardless of who you say you bought through. You want things to be secret on your end and all around because no matter what domains you see you intend to lie through your teeth about them. Despite what you say about two different markets you are scared stiff people stop renting and buy instead. . Int hat we are direct competitors and you know it but are just lying to try and fudge it isn;t so.

                                                Thats A

                                                and B is no one died and put you in any position where my offers are to be vetted and evaluated and yours not. Your offer is going to be scrutinized just as well or you can have a cow.

                                                and I don't trust you worth a nickel so we are even on that.'

                                                no space for sleazy tricks.
                                                Dude i'm dealing with you so from you its a given you will try exactly that
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                                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                                  You claim to have ahem absurdly Powerful PR4s . Show us what you got. I am game . I 'll show my list here and you show yours. simple. You lie so much who would ever trust you or what you say regardless of who you say you bought through. You want things to be secret on your end and all around because no matter what domains you see you intend to lie through your teeth about them. Despite what you say about two different markets you are scared stiff people stop renting and buy instead. . Int hat we are direct competitors and you know it but are just lying to try and fudge it isn;t so.

                                                  Thats A

                                                  and B is no one died and put you in any position where my offers are to be vetted and evaluated and yours not. Your offer is going to be scrutinized just as well or you can have a cow.

                                                  and I don't trust you worth a nickel so we are even on that.'



                                                  Dude i'm dealing with you so from you its a given you will try exactly that
                                                  Oh now we're going to compare apples vs oranges, I thought the comparison was about my PR3 brokered domains and you're MozRank2 domains that you claim are of equal strength.

                                                  Once again Mike Anthorny is playing the swifting game like he always does.

                                                  What a fraud.
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                                                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                                    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                                    Oh now we're going to compare apples vs oranges, I thought the comparison was about my PR3 brokered domains and you're MozRank2 domains .
                                                    Pure garbage and dishonesty from the master of it. In multiple posts he's been comparing his services but now begs for it not to be evaluated against anything else. Just wants the other side evaluated.

                                                    ROFL what a fraud indeed. Play games Nik0. I promise you I will play them right back at you. Make your fake purchases.
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                                                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                                      Pure garbage and dishonesty from the master of it. In multiple posts he's been comparing his services but now begs for it not to be evaluated against anything else. Just wants the other side evaluated.

                                                      ROFL what a fraud indeed. Play games Nik0. I promise you I will play them right back at you. Make your fake purchases.
                                                      Oh now if I would buy domains from you and show the real strength without needing to reveal anything of your customer base you would start to claim that it's a fake purchase and in return you would out part of my network, is that the deal Mike?

                                                      You deal with your customers like that as well? If they say a wrong word you threaten them?

                                                      Perhaps that works in the area where you live but online it hurts reputations or whatever is left of yours after these type of posts. Is that why you decided to deal with a partner, so you stay out of the picture and can say whatever you want in a complete anonymous way.

                                                      Enough said, you already showed the whole world what a crook you are.

                                                      You're now as the only person on this forum on my ignore list, don't want to see any of the sales nonsense you are non stop spousing, it's not like it ever contained anything useful anyway, just self promo threads written up in such way that they only benefit yourself and the rest gets simply ignored or supported by blatant lies and flawed theories. Good luck selling to the noobs.
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                                                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                                        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                                        Perhaps that works in the area where you live but online it hurts reputations or whatever is left of yours after these type of posts......
                                                        Enough said, you already showed the whole world what a crook you are.

                                                        THIS IS MY LAST POST IN THIS THREAD


                                                        Anyone reading you should know what you are about from you having to change your sales thread after being exposed for claiming no metric domains were worth $50 each and then setting the minimum guarantees lower than mine but claiming yours are more valuable . Anyone experienced enough in PBNs should also know that any low life seller stating he's going to put a list of your or your customers domains in an open thread after buying them anonymously would be threatening to expose their IPs and their hosting thereby exposing other sites and resources. There are sites all over the internet that all PBN owners know about that allow IPs, sites on the same server and all kinds of details about domains to be looked up and you know that (or you are even more incompetent than anyone could imagine)

                                                        So Yep your little threat got exposed out and I stated you would have to expose yours too if you posted them here. Too bad. That stands as my personal promise. You certainly were never going to tell the honest truth since no one objective threatens to expose their own network they just paid hundreds of dollars for. You are the fraud.

                                                        Play games with your business. I won't play games with mine and I won't play with you when you try and play with mine or my customers. - again thats my personal promise and responsibility to make sure of. Don't go crying in your soup when you put yourself in a position to have to go back to Holland.

                                                        But please for once be honest and don't be caught in yet another lie. That might be the one that with the others just destroys the paper thin credibility you have left.- live up to your claim you have put me on ignore. Thats the one good thing came from this thread.
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                                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                        You have a list of domains that I've bought over a year ago, try something recent.
                                        Nope.... all your clients didn't change

                                        Only takes a thread and you can unravel a whole sweater. So whats the hold up thought we were game to evaluate each others offers openly on the board. I said I am game. why the cold feet now?
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                            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                              The metrics of more then 80 percent of these domains are MozRank3+, MozTrust3+ and DA20+, a few of them might be DA15+, MozRank2.5+, MozTrust2.5+ but never lower then that.

                              If you stay subscribed for 9 months you will get to keep this network (worth $250,-) as well!
                              BWAHAHAHAHA.. Thats even better. To get out of his dishonesty he now promises as low as DA15 and instead of 2+ its 2.5+ .

                              Kid wants me to go to sleep with a smile on my face. DA15whats that? PR N/A???

                              But shucks we have to wait 9 months to see if he ever delivers even that.mike goes to bed with a laugh
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                              • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                [/B]BWAHAHAHAHA.. Thats even better. To get out of his dishonesty he now promises as low as DA15 and instead of 2+ its 2.5+ .

                                Kid wants me to go to sleep with a smile on my face. DA15whats that? PR N/A???

                                But shucks we have to wait 9 months to see if he ever delivers even that.mike goes to be with a laugh
                                Lol, ridiculing his own service that is based on these worhtless metrics

                                Doesn't even realize it, too much cheap Whisky Mike? Must be later at your place, 3am or something? Have a good night sleep to see what you wrote the next day
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    Speaking of relevancy, it surely matters and having a natural looking website with decent content "might" help you in surviving some manual reviews. Penguin penalties though have nothing to do with how natural your website looks like. The penguin algorithms target primary the link profiles of your website.
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  • Profile picture of the author dewalds86
    Hi there. Is it true that the Penquin 3.0 update was more of a refresh than a major update? According to articles I read it was a refresh which laid the foundation for a futur major update.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by dewalds86 View Post

      Hi there. Is it true that the Penquin 3.0 update was more of a refresh than a major update? According to articles I read it was a refresh which laid the foundation for a futur major update.
      A refresh with some new ingredients added so to say.

      I read that article as well, could be truth at the same time, not that hard to add a new type of spam to an existing update I suppose.

      If Google really wants to tank all of us that makes use of expired/dropped domains it's hell easy to do so, put a team of a few 100 or 1000 manual reviewers at it and there you go. Even the people going through great efforts to make a site look real will be busted. Yep the collatoral damage will be larger then usual but Google never cared about that.

      Besides that it would turn the SERP's completely upside down to the degree that it lowers the quality of the SERP results as much less relevant results would show up, Google probably doesn't want that as their only goal is to improve the search results. That's why most of the changes only affect 1-3 percent of all search queries.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin Maguire
    How's everything going in here?

    Great OP btw, well done Foxy, nice info..

    So Mike and Nik0, what do you two think about it all?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

      So Mike and Nik0, what do you two think about it all?
      I'm thinking that your friend is about to make a big financial mistake threatening to make a fake purchase of my services in order to spy on it. I never mess with any provider here buying their services to try reverse engineer, make a point or lie on it and If I get a whiff of that he will pay a STEEP financial price.
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  • Profile picture of the author powerofschool
    Hi Dude,

    Thanks for the nice info .

    This happened to me also . Even though we have a bad links from some of the website, our client has not been penalized because they have the links from good quality relevant websites.
    Always , we need to try to get the links naturally which will benefit for us for long term.
    For example, one of our website we have ranked in top 3 in 2010 . And we have built good number of quality back links ( dofollow + no follow) . Ofcourse that keyword has many competitors.
    Later they have not done any updates in the website ( may be theyhave updated updated yearly once) . Still in this month November 2014. It was in 5th Position in Google.
    There is one small thing they have done. They have integrated social icons to get the shares from the users. They got SEO from the users itself . That means lot of social signals helping there website to survive in the market in the top position.
    If content is very good and informative, natural links will be coming from lot of users.
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    WOW! That escalated quickly and went on for quite a while...
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  • Profile picture of the author Rua999
    A) Did i really just waste 10 minutes of my life reading this thread?

    B) Did you two girls ever hear of private messaging?

    Nobody cares...
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    • Profile picture of the author fthomas137
      Yep sorry guys, I have to agree with the last few posts. An open forum like this is to work together and come to better solutions. And there will be times when we will agree to disagree. Believe it or not, that's actually ok. Nobody knows what happens behind the shining walls of Google.

      BUT, downright mud slinging doesn't do anything but make the both of you look foolish.

      I wish that this thread would have been an educational experience instead of what it has become.

      Frank
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      • Profile picture of the author dreamtoreality
        Originally Posted by fthomas137 View Post

        Yep sorry guys, I have to agree with the last few posts. An open forum like this is to work together and come to better solutions. And there will be times when we will agree to disagree. Believe it or not, that's actually ok. Nobody knows what happens behind the shining walls of Google.

        BUT, downright mud slinging doesn't do anything but make the both of you look foolish.

        I wish that this thread would have been an educational experience instead of what it has become.

        Frank
        Particularly when they both probably rely on the WF to get the majority of their customers.
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