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Just An Idea Now That It Takes Longer To Rank A Site

by nik0 Banned
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Most people experience that ranking a site based on a brand new domains takes about 3-5 months for medium competitive keywords. About 1.5 year ago I used to rank similar terms in a matter of weeks.

However when you redirect an existing site to a brand new domain the rankings transfer almost immidiately, I just redirected 6 money sites of mine, all in a different niche and in only three days two of them fully recovered, another two start to show up and full recovery probably by tomorrow and the last two seem to take a little longer, however what can I complain after only 3 days.

Whether it takes 3-7 days is not the point though.

The point is why it takes 3-5 months, most likely Google doesn't give value to all the juice you point at a site (a redirect is an exception for that, we're getting warm).

So what if you would point half of the juice at your money site and the other half at another domain.

To illustrate a bit:

- After 1 month you rank at let's say #50
- After 2 months at #30
- After 3 months at #15
- After 4 months at #8
- And after 5 months you rank at #2

Now let's add the redirect when you rank at #30 after two months, and poof who knows you'll rank straight away at page one cause of the extra juice as redirects don't seem to have any limitations on passing or valueing juice.

Otherwise my brand new domains wouldn't rank in only three days at #4 at the first page right?
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  • Profile picture of the author GarrettMickley
    Great idea, sounds like a good plan to me.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    I get what you are saying, but it is not a very practical idea.

    It assumes that you have an already ranking (or recently penalized) old domain in the same niche to redirect to the new domain.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      I get what you are saying, but it is not a very practical idea.

      It assumes that you have an already ranking (or recently penalized) old domain in the same niche to redirect to the new domain.
      Not neccessarily, with an already ranking domain it would definitely work and I wouldn't put it up for debate here.

      I just mean two brand new sites, and rank them at the same time and then after say 2 months redirect one to the other to gain a quick advantage, as otherwise it might take 4 months, make it 3 domains and perhaps you can reduce it to 1-1,5 months.

      Have to try it out I guess.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        I just mean two brand new sites, and rank them at the same time and then after say 2 months redirect one to the other to gain a quick advantage, as otherwise it might take 4 months, make it 3 domains and perhaps you can reduce it to 1-1,5 months.

        That is assuming it is just the redirect itself that is triggering this phenomena and not what is being redirected that makes the difference.

        I doubt this will work, but the only way to tell for sure is to try it 20-30 times and see what happens.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          That is assuming it is just the redirect itself that is triggering this phenomena and not what is being redirected that makes the difference.

          I doubt this will work, but the only way to tell for sure is to try it 20-30 times and see what happens.
          Well we don't need any scientific proof to use in a research paper, if it works twice it's fine for me. Quite unlikely that a huge boost in a matter of 2-7 days after doing the direct would happen twice in a row.

          Though if it works you can be pretty sure I'll do it dozens of times to leech as much out of it as possible
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          • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            Well we don't need any scientific proof to use in a research paper, if it works twice it's fine for me. Quite unlikely that a huge boost in a matter of 2-7 days after doing the direct would happen twice in a row.

            Though if it works you can be pretty sure I'll do it dozens of times to leech as much out of it as possible
            This works. Give it 1-2 months and the site will drop. I tried it with one of my sites, the site ranked page 1 for a month, then tanked 2-weeks before Penguin.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

              This works. Give it 1-2 months and the site will drop. I tried it with one of my sites, the site ranked page 1 for a month, then tanked 2-weeks before Penguin.
              I guess for people into churn and burn but I am into long term business so thats not my definition of "works"
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            • Profile picture of the author nik0
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              Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

              This works. Give it 1-2 months and the site will drop. I tried it with one of my sites, the site ranked page 1 for a month, then tanked 2-weeks before Penguin.
              I'm not talking about redirecting penalized domains. There are tons of businesses that do a 301 redirect cause they are rebranding their selves and they rank for years to come.
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  • Profile picture of the author JakeStatler
    This is a very intriguing concept. I'm not 100% sure how accurate this is or if it would work consistently, but I would say that you would need to test this with about 15-25 different sites before coming to any solid conclusions.

    It seems like you're on to something keep it up!
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    great concept sound like a good plan to me!
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  • Profile picture of the author altesino
    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

    I just redirected 6 money sites of mine, all in a different niche and in only three days two of them fully recovered, another two start to show up and full recovery probably by tomorrow and the last two seem to take a little longer, however what can I complain after only 3 days.
    It will be interesting if you keep the ranking. I redirected an established site in May to a new domain. It wasn't penalized or anything. I just wanted to expand the topics covered and the original domain was very nichy.

    All my rankings jumped to the new site for a couple weeks and then POOF! I lost all of my previous rankings. After about 3 months I started showing up again for most of the important words which is probably closer to the timeline of a new domain.

    Keep us updated.
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      Originally Posted by altesino View Post

      It will be interesting if you keep the ranking. I redirected an established site in May to a new domain. It wasn't penalized or anything. I just wanted to expand the topics covered and the original domain was very nichy.

      All my rankings jumped to the new site for a couple weeks and then POOF! I lost all of my previous rankings. After about 3 months I started showing up again for most of the important words which is probably closer to the timeline of a new domain.

      Keep us updated.
      Ok that's quite surprising.

      I think I will try it first with 2 domains (money site + one redirect) and follow up with another site using 3 domains. Instead of redirecting 2 domains directly at 1 domain I would do it in a tiered way, tier 2 --> tier 1 --> money site.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMLab
    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

    However when you redirect an existing site to a brand new domain the rankings transfer almost immidiately, I just redirected 6 money sites of mine, all in a different niche and in only three days two of them fully recovered, another two start to show up and full recovery probably by tomorrow and the last two seem to take a little longer, however what can I complain after only 3 days.
    Redirecting one domain to another has been a famous technique in gray hat and black hat SEO worlds. Where you get a vast network of high authority domains and direct them to a brand new site for initial boost in your rankings.

    However, this technique is not so effective anymore. It still helps if the domain satisfies the following conditions:

    1. Have a great links profile.
    2. Is relevant to your brand new site.

    Even that though, by time the redirected site will lose its weight in Google's eyes as the click through rate will decrease and it might lose some of its old links that are pointing to it. Thus, your new website that is receiving all those redirects will start to drop in rankings by time if that is everything you are doing.

    What black hat optimizers do is implementing the technique of "build and burn" and thus marking full use of those redirects.

    Overall, i would not recommend this technique if you are building a real brand. Use it naturally when you have to but don't base your marketing plan on it. It is not a good long term strategy even if it is giving you some good results in a short period of time.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by IMLab View Post

      Redirecting one domain to another has been a famous technique in gray hat and black hat SEO worlds. Where you get a vast network of high authority domains and direct them to a brand new site for initial boost in your rankings.

      However, this technique is not so effective anymore. It still helps if the domain satisfies the following conditions:

      1. Have a great links profile.
      2. Is relevant to your brand new site.

      Even that though, by time the redirected site will lose its weight in Google's eyes as the click through rate will decrease and it might lose some of its old links that are pointing to it. Thus, your new website that is receiving all those redirects will start to drop in rankings by time if that is everything you are doing.

      What black hat optimizers do is implementing the technique of "build and burn" and thus marking full use of those redirects.

      Overall, i would not recommend this technique if you are building a real brand. Use it naturally when you have to but don't base your marketing plan on it. It is not a good long term strategy even if it is giving you some good results in a short period of time.
      I used to test redirects from irrelevant links and that stops working when you do to many, some the effect gets nullofied.

      Most of the time it's a short term solution though I want to see if it can be turned into a long term solution, however longterm, 1 year is ok for me.
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