How Will Sites Now Rank(PR) With Increasing "NoFollow"

by Dele
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Hi Warriors,

With many sites now going "nofollow", how is "link juice" going to be passed on to sites that they link to?

Warrior Forum and now Ezine Articles for example seem to have gone "nofollow". I am aware PR toolbar is being discontinued but PR still lies within the Google algorithm, i am told.

So how do sites now move up the PR rank (internally with Google, though not revealed externally), since it used to be by having the most quality and quantity of "dofollow" backlinks, i believe?.

Thanks guys.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
    Where have you been hiding?

    Nofollow has been around for nearly 10 years.

    Seriously where have you been, I'd like to join you, must be a lovely quiet place :-)

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    • Profile picture of the author Dele
      Originally Posted by SEO-Dave View Post

      Where have you been hiding?

      Nofollow has been around for nearly 10 years.

      Seriously where have you been, I'd like to join you, must be a lovely quiet place :-)

      David
      I believe the english i wrote is clear enough for any non-mischievous person to understand. i.e. "With many sites now going "nofollow"". That does not in any way mean i said "nofollow" has not been around for a long time. I even went further to give illustrations of Warrior Forum and Ezine Articles that were earlier "dofollow" now turned "nofollow" to buttress the fact that my concern is just with an increasing number of sites now going "nofollow".

      The question needs some deep thought and not a flippant answer.
      Will appreciate an answer that adds value from any Warrior that gets the point i am making.

      Thanks.
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        Originally Posted by Dele View Post

        I believe the english i wrote is clear enough for any non-mischievous person to understand.
        lol..........Agree or disagree I like this poster
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      • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
        Originally Posted by Dele View Post

        I believe the english i wrote is clear enough for any non-mischievous person to understand. i.e. "With many sites now going "nofollow"". That does not in any way mean i said "nofollow" has not been around for a long time. I even went further to give illustrations of Warrior Forum and Ezine Articles that were earlier "dofollow" now turned "nofollow" to buttress the fact that my concern is just with an increasing number of sites now going "nofollow".

        The question needs some deep thought and not a flippant answer.
        Will appreciate an answer that adds value from any Warrior that gets the point i am making.

        Thanks.
        Oops, my mistake misread what you wrote.

        Will now quickly take foot out of mouth and offer my humblest apologies.

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  • Profile picture of the author sprogy
    Originally Posted by Dele View Post

    it used to be by having the most quality and quantity of "dofollow" backlinks, i believe?
    and that's exactly how it still is
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    Google is aware of sites with the nofollow tag... while they may be depreciated as a back link they still count... in my opinion
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    • Profile picture of the author Dele
      Originally Posted by xxxjay View Post

      Google is aware of sites with the nofollow tag... while they may be depreciated as a back link they still count... in my opinion
      Google did/does not pass link juice which raises PR for "nofollow" links. Are you saying they will now pass link juice/raise PR based on "nofollow" links?

      Google will only do one i.e. pass PR based on "nofollow" or will not. If Google will still not, with increasing no. of sites going "nofollow", how will PR be passed?. Only through the few "dofollow" sites remaining? That is my question.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    An increasing number of sites going nofollow still leaves trillions of webpages that are not nofollow. It really is not a big deal.

    Warrior Forum went nofollow almost two years ago. Ezine went nofollow before that.

    Internet still seems to be working fine.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dele
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      An increasing number of sites going nofollow still leaves trillions of webpages that are not nofollow. It really is not a big deal.

      Warrior Forum went nofollow almost two years ago. Ezine went nofollow before that.

      Internet still seems to be working fine.
      Should i take that to mean only "dofollow" sites still continue to pass link juice/increase PR?

      The thing is that most "authority sites" now seem to be going "nofollow", leaving the "paper weights" whose influence on PR may be minimal.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by Dele View Post

        Should i take that to mean only "dofollow" sites still continue to pass link juice/increase PR?
        That's the way it has always been, so why would it change?

        Originally Posted by Dele View Post

        The thing is that most "authority sites" now seem to be going "nofollow", leaving the "paper weights" whose influence on PR may be minimal.
        No authority sites are not going nofollow. Very, very few have. And places like Ezine were nothing but junk links anyhow.
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      • Profile picture of the author jezter6
        Originally Posted by Dele View Post

        The thing is that most "authority sites" now seem to be going "nofollow", leaving the "paper weights" whose influence on PR may be minimal.
        "Authority sites" aren't going nofollow so much as sites where users are allowed to create unmoderated (or very little moderation) content that can contain links, as they become easy targets for idiotic link spamming.

        Based on your question, it's obvious that you're not evaluating your ability to interact with a website based on any mutually beneficial front, but that you want to jam in some links solely for the purpose of manipulating search results, and not as a value to the website or its readers.

        THAT is why they're going nofollow.

        Would you want any link juice your site would have to leak out to spammer garbage? Nope. So why would they?
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        • Profile picture of the author Dele
          Originally Posted by jezter6 View Post


          Based on your question, it's obvious that you're not evaluating your ability to interact with a website based on any mutually beneficial front, but that you want to jam in some links solely for the purpose of manipulating search results, and not as a value to the website or its readers.

          THAT is why they're going nofollow.
          It puzzles me why some people cannot simply address issues but have to resort to character assassination. That is less than mature.
          I am not concerned with "what should be" but "what actually is" on Google end and so i am simply trying to read Google's mind.
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        • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
          Originally Posted by jezter6 View Post

          "Authority sites" aren't going nofollow so much as sites where users are allowed to create unmoderated (or very little moderation) content that can contain links, as they become easy targets for idiotic link spamming.
          That's an important SEO point, authority isn't only measured by PR or even traffic to the site.

          Google holds the domain owner responsible for everything linked to, if the domain links to too many spammy sites (as you will find on article directories) Google will stop PR transfer out to all external links: in effect Google will already add a nofollow attribute to some article directories external links. This is also how Google punishes domains caught selling links.

          I don't know which article directories Google has stopped PR transfer from, I would guess as Ezine Articles is one of the popular ones it's very likely they haven't passed PR for some time.

          I've never used article directories for links, I know from past experience any SEO technique that relies heavily on one source of links can fail overnight if the sources change how they work: Ezine Articles domain closes, all links lost, Ezine Articles goes nofollow, all links lost, Ezine Articles removes all links, all links lost... Too risky for me.

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      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      An increasing number of sites going nofollow still leaves trillions of webpages that are not nofollow. It really is not a big deal.

      Warrior Forum went nofollow almost two years ago. Ezine went nofollow before that.

      Internet still seems to be working fine.
      Yup! And this process will continue.. There will be more websites soon, some will stay and others will become nofollow
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    • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      An increasing number of sites going nofollow still leaves trillions of webpages that are not nofollow. It really is not a big deal.

      Warrior Forum went nofollow almost two years ago. Ezine went nofollow before that.

      Internet still seems to be working fine.
      Ezine articles went fully nofollow recently EzineArticles.com Links Are Now 100 Percent NOFOLLOW

      I love the BS they spun:

      We can say with confidence that links without the NOFOLLOW attribute don't carry as much weight as they did in the past. There are many content marketers who have found success in posting to NOFOLLOW pages as the website itself holds a higher ranking.
      What a load of crap!

      There is no direct SEO benefit from a nofollow link, there's always potential SEO value from click through traffic from any source, the visitor might link to your content, but it's not direct.

      I'd be pissed if Ezine articles was one of my sources of backlinks, they just shafted all their publishers SEO efforts for backlinks. Not only won't the publishers gain a direct dofollow link from Ezine articles, but those who scrape the articles will scrape nofollow links also passing no SEO value.

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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by SEO-Dave View Post

        I'd be pissed if Ezine articles was one of my sources of backlinks, they just shafted all their publishers SEO efforts for backlinks. Not only won't the publishers gain a direct dofollow link from Ezine articles, but those who scrape the articles will scrape nofollow links also passing no SEO value.

        David
        anyonewho expected to get any SEO benefit from Ezine articles deserves a kick in the rear. I'd be happy to see those links nofollowed...less negative effect.
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        • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          anyonewho expected to get any SEO benefit from Ezine articles deserves a kick in the rear. I'd be happy to see those links nofollowed...less negative effect.
          Hmm, good point might help some of the more aggressive article spinners, could clean up their backlink profile. Links from article directories aren't exactly of the highest quality.

          Are there any aggressive article posters here? Seen any positive or negative impact on SERPs since September 2014 (when Ezine articles went 100% nofollow)?

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    • Profile picture of the author Dele
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post


      Warrior Forum went nofollow almost two years ago. Ezine went nofollow before that.

      Internet still seems to be working fine.
      Glad somebody else corrected you somewhere above. Ezine Articles just went "nofollow" a few months ago. Important to have your facts right and not just post flippantly on sentiments.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by Dele View Post

        Glad somebody else corrected you somewhere above. Ezine Articles just went "nofollow" a few months ago. Important to have your facts right and not just post flippantly on sentiments.
        Yep I was wrong about Ezine. I swore they had gone nofollow a long time ago in an attempt to get back into Google's good graces. I really don't pay much attention to that shithole anyhow though. Ezine is nothing but a total wasteland of garbage.

        They were useless links before they went nofollow though anyhow. If you were relying on Ezine for strong links, you were making a huge mistake anyhow.

        My original sentiment still stands. The vast majority of the internet is still not using nofollow links across their domains.

        The sites you mentioned like Ezine, Hubpages, and Squidoo were providing nothing but PR n/a links anyhow, so who cares?
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  • Profile picture of the author AskAnAffiliate
    An increasing number of sites going nofollow still leaves trillions of webpages that are not nofollow. It really is not a big deal.

    Warrior Forum went nofollow almost two years ago. Ezine went nofollow before that.

    Internet still seems to be working fine.
    EXACTLY!

    And to add.... Google and other search engines are finding more creative ways to determine the worth of a website. For example, many are secrets so I wouldn't be surprised is they start taking engagement into consideration through social media, etc. Plus, just because links are "NO=FOLLOW" doesn't mean they can't provide some sort of information for ranking purposes. I've had some "NO-FOLLOW" links show up in my search profile.
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      Originally Posted by AskAnAffiliate View Post

      EXACTLY!

      And to add.... Google and other search engines are finding more creative ways to determine the worth of a website. For example, many are secrets so I wouldn't be surprised is they start taking engagement into consideration through social media, etc. Plus, just because links are "NO=FOLLOW" doesn't mean they can't provide some sort of information for ranking purposes. I've had some "NO-FOLLOW" links show up in my search profile.
      In short, quality and quantity of "dofollow backlinks" may no longer hold the aces as per PR?
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO Power
    Originally Posted by Dele View Post

    Hi Warriors,

    With many sites now going "nofollow", how is "link juice" going to be passed on to sites that they link to?

    Warrior Forum and now Ezine Articles for example seem to have gone "nofollow". I am aware PR toolbar is being discontinued but PR still lies within the Google algorithm, i am told.

    So how do sites now move up the PR rank (internally with Google, though not revealed externally), since it used to be by having the most quality and quantity of "dofollow" backlinks, i believe?.

    Thanks guys.
    Have you ever heard of private blog networks? Even if all sites begin to nofollow all their outgoing links, SEOs will continue ranking their sites using private blog networks containing sites they have complete control over.
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  • Profile picture of the author AskAnAffiliate
    Have you ever heard of private blog networks? Even if all sites begin to nofollow all their outgoing links, SEOs will continue ranking their sites using private blog networks containing sites they have complete control over.
    LOL!...

    I can't believe I forgot to mention them when we had a huge discussion about them last week.

    Thanks for mentioning it!
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    How Will Sites Now Rank(PR) With Increasing "NoFollow"
    Your obviously not counting all the links on the web so the question is just guessing there's a problem, which isn't the case.

    All you have to do is scrape all the links from top ranking pages, repeat that until your bored or ranking a page whichever comes first, ...or buy a few links, ...or buy a domain with existing link profile. There's still followed links out there nothing has changed.
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    • Profile picture of the author Dele
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Your obviously not counting all the links on the web so the question is just guessing there's a problem, which isn't the case.

      All you have to do is scrape all the links from top ranking pages, repeat that until your bored or ranking a page whichever comes first, ...or buy a few links, ...or buy a domain with existing link profile. There's still followed links out there nothing has changed.
      Cool if that is the case. But can you just do me a favor by naming some "authority sites" that are still "dofollow"? We all know these popular "authority sites", don't we?
      Facebook is, isn't it? Twitter is, isn't it? HubPages is, isn't it? Squidoo(now extinct and joined to HubPages) was, wasn't it? Buzzle is, isn't it? SiteProNews is, isn't it? Warrior Forum is, isn't it? Ezine Articles is, isn't it? To name just a few. Were/Are they all not now "no follow"?
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by Dele View Post

        Facebook is, isn't it? Twitter is, isn't it? HubPages is, isn't it? Squidoo(now extinct and joined to HubPages) was, wasn't it? Buzzle is, isn't it? SiteProNews is, isn't it? Warrior Forum is, isn't it? Ezine Articles is, isn't it? To name just a few. Were/Are they all not now "no follow"?
        I would not want a link from any of those.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Dele View Post

        Cool if that is the case. But can you just do me a favor by naming some "authority sites" that are still "dofollow"? We all know these popular "authority sites", don't we?
        Facebook is, isn't it? Twitter is, isn't it? HubPages is, isn't it? Squidoo(now extinct and joined to HubPages) was, wasn't it? Buzzle is, isn't it? SiteProNews is, isn't it? Warrior Forum is, isn't it? Ezine Articles is, isn't it? To name just a few. Were/Are they all not now "no follow"?
        No offense (seriously) but you have a long ways to go with learning link building because that list of sites is useless for ranking self hosted pages.

        There's no need to post domains with pages that have followed links, no reason to punish other webmasters. I've posted where to look (your competitions link profiles). Grab their link profiles, sort for free link sources, repeat as needed.

        If you can generate organic links that's an even better long term strategy.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dele
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          No offense (seriously) but you have a long ways to go with learning link building because that list of sites is useless for ranking self hosted pages.

          There's no need to post domains with pages that have followed links, no reason to punish other webmasters. I've posted where to look (your competitions link profiles). Grab their link profiles, sort for free link sources, repeat as needed.

          If you can generate organic links that's an even better long term strategy.
          You make SEO sound/seem mythical. Nothing mythical about SEO. Morality does not come in . Whether or not you like a site is irrelevant as long as Google rates them high.

          I bet even if your site is in an unrelated niche and you are offered a "dofollow" backlink on the homepage of Facebook, you will gladly jump at it. Even if in an unrelated niche, it will boost your site's PR. When in a related niche, it will spiral your site to stardom. A PR9 at least as at last Google revelation?

          Where your site is in a related niche and gets even a "nofollow" backlink from an orphan page on Facebook, it can still minimally benefit from the link juice of the homepage of Facebook. In addition, the propelling to first page in most cases of your content on a Facebook page in the SERP's can also indirectly make a good content go viral and attract quality backlinks which will then propel your site to higher PR ranks. These things are obvious to most knowledgeable and unbiased or unsentimental SEO's.
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          • Profile picture of the author jezter6
            Originally Posted by Dele View Post

            Where your site is in a related niche and gets even a "nofollow" backlink from an orphan page on Facebook, it can still minimally benefit from the link juice of the homepage of Facebook.
            Based on this statement you should be hanging out with the guy who posts his Fiverr gigs all over the SEO forum offering "PR8-PR9 backlinks" for $5...

            even if they're just forum profiles and other absolute junk PR n/a profile pages that people believe passes all sorts of juice.

            If just having links (follow or otherwise) from junk pages on "high authority" domains - using a tool like GSA to create forum profiles would easily rank any moderately difficult keyword.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
              Originally Posted by Dele View Post

              Where your site is in a related niche and gets even a "nofollow" backlink from an orphan page on Facebook, it can still minimally benefit from the link juice of the homepage of Facebook.
              Originally Posted by jezter6 View Post

              Based on this statement you should be hanging out with the guy who posts his Fiverr gigs all over the SEO forum offering "PR8-PR9 backlinks" for $5...

              even if they're just forum profiles and other absolute junk PR n/a profile pages that people believe passes all sorts of juice.

              If just having links (follow or otherwise) from junk pages on "high authority" domains - using a tool like GSA to create forum profiles would easily rank any moderately difficult keyword.
              I missed that part. Yeah, Dele, sorry but that is not how it works. Just having a page buried somewhere on a domain where the home page is an authority does not give them any extra ranking power.

              Makes sense why you were upset about Ezine's change. You actually thought all those PR n/a links you were building had magical powers. Well, feel better. You lost nothing.
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        • Profile picture of the author Dele
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post


          There's no need to post domains with pages that have followed links, no reason to punish other webmasters.
          You simply don't have your facts right. That is why you are not able to give names. You are not punishing any webmaster by indicating authority sites with "dofollow". Being authority sites, they will be already well known to many people anyway. And when known, it does not mean you can still easily get backlinks from them.
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  • Profile picture of the author AskAnAffiliate
    In short, quality and quantity of "dofollow backlinks" may no longer hold the aces as per PR
    Quality..YES! Quantity...maybe! I always like to approach things QUALITY OVER QUANTITY. However if you can get the right combination of both then you are in the good. Next, PR is NOT going to be updated in the front end so it might be hard to determine the true value of a websites PR. However, in the backend...Google may still use it for these own purpose.

    Try to find information which is readily available... for example,

    1) DA and PA
    2) DA (domain age)
    3) Backlinks
    4) Quality of website which you can determine by simply skimming through.
    5) If all else fails...build your own PBN and focus on quality as it can provide value for years. Not to mention, you have complete control.
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  • Profile picture of the author st0nec0ld
    This, is one of the reasons why I think Google decided to stop updating its PR toolbar.
    People are so into this, and some are going crazy about this.

    On the other hand, maybe you'll find this one a little relevant on backlinks issues.
    How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Nofollow - Moz
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    • Profile picture of the author Dele
      Originally Posted by st0nec0ld View Post

      This, is one of the reasons why I think Google decided to stop updating its PR toolbar.
      People are so into this, and some are going crazy about this.
      Google is not sentimental like some on this forum are. They are mature businessmen.

      They took their decision purely from a business standpoint and said so. Their rep. revealed that it was costing them too much to update PR and the cost was not justified. Period! The last PR update, they did, in complement with another exercise that was worth their while economically, if not they also would have not.
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  • Profile picture of the author jackluter
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    However from nofollow sites the google will not crawl the site links, but we have to submit in nofollow sites too.In SEO we have to maintain around 7o% of dofollow sites and 30% of nofollow sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnniewalk
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    Hi Dele,
    Google updated that in the future page rank is not necessary, But in some sites they having even a high page rank, In the site while coding they mentioned to follow some like register are submission take as a nofollow links so its taking as a nofollow.
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  • Profile picture of the author ashstronge
    Its funny that i should see this thread, as I was reading an article on Search Engine Land regarding Matt Cutts take on no follow. The link is Google's Matt Cutts: Nofollow Links Won't Hurt You Unless You Are Spamming At A Huge Scale.

    The basic summary was that nofollow links shouldn't really do any damage, unless your website is on a huge scale of spamming links.

    The other point is, that although nofollow links are increasing, I would still say that they are still in the minority, at least from my experience.
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