contents is not king?

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I happen to search some sites.

many years never update their contents yet their ranking is not bad..????

how can it possible?
#contents #king
  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
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    • Profile picture of the author Devilfish168
      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      It's magic. Powerful magic!
      you can go around check

      I think maybe last time ...they have some a lot backlink etc ..that why perhaps
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  • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
    The more you see, the less you understand.

    I still stand my ground that content is king and content has nothing to do with the stability of your SERP.

    You need to read more and practicalize wide.
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  • Profile picture of the author raxiq
    Originally Posted by Devilfish168 View Post

    I happen to search some sites.

    many years never update their contents yet their ranking is not bad..????

    how can it possible?
    It is and it will be. This is what makes people come back to your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Corey Taylor
    Originally Posted by Devilfish168 View Post

    I happen to search some sites.

    many years never update their contents yet their ranking is not bad..????

    how can it possible?
    Content will always be the king. Even if google decides to rank a website that isn't worth of the 1st position , do you think people will come back to the site?

    Content is only 1 piece of the success cake, but it's definitely in the top 3 along with proper SEO and Social Media.
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  • Profile picture of the author NeedBucksNow
    I think the many years part helps
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    Evergreen content plus the right kind of SEO outreach.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
    Content is king, but like any king without and army (of backlinks) it's got no power.

    I'll never understand why webmasters choose one of 200+ Google ranking factors as THE REASON for ranking/not ranking.

    It's like saying: I have lovely finger nails, why am I not a high paid skinny female cat walk model???

    Let's see, I'm male, I don't have breasts (moobs don't count apparently!), my curves are all in the wrong places and I'm not a teenager....

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    • Profile picture of the author nicoli
      Originally Posted by SEO-Dave View Post

      Content is king, but like any king without and army (of backlinks) it's got no power.

      I'll never understand why webmasters choose one of 200+ Google ranking factors as THE REASON for ranking/not ranking.

      It's like saying: I have lovely finger nails, why am I not a high paid skinny female cat walk model???

      Let's see, I'm male, I don't have breasts (moobs don't count apparently!), my curves are all in the wrong places and I'm not a teenager....

      David
      Hahaha! Excellent reply and spot on. Made me bloody laugh too
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  • Not at all ,content is king always .I think this site got strong back links that time.
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    • Profile picture of the author habibkhan01
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      No doubt about that content is the king for a website. Otherwise low or copied content are prefer for google penalty. So make your unique high quality content.
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  • Profile picture of the author MJG
    Content is king. But content isn't just words remember.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    My god you people are ignorant. A bunch of fools just parroting lies you have been told by "gurus". Can none of you actually think for yourself?

    Content is not king. Content is important for a whole host of reasons, but is a small factor in terms of ranking.

    And to the OP, you do not need to update content regularly to get good rankings. If I write a post about how to polish a table, why in the world would I need to update that? Still polish it the same way in 3 years... 5 years... 10 years. No need to update.

    Whoever you have been listening to about SEO, you should probably stop listening to them right away.
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  • Profile picture of the author Blaine Smitley
    Content isn't king. It never has been and it never will be.

    Some idiot that didn't understand how to do quality SEO said that stupid crap and now it's all over the internet.

    Met with two attorneys the other day about their 3 year old site. They just couldn't seem to get it past the 3rd page of serps for any of their primary key phrases.

    During my interview process I always ask what is the current strategy that you're using. The answer they gave me was "WE'RE PRODUCING HIGH QUALITY CONTENT".

    So I took a look at their high quality content. Over 50 articles posted to their onsite blog over the last 6 months! And yes the quality was high. Well written even and informative. They had been dumping tons of time (which is money) into this project.

    Yet it hadn't moved them at all in the SERPS.

    They didn't like it when I told them that they were wasting time. They didn't like hearing that, after all they were working with the best SEO company in the city. They had looked online and discovered that the company currently handling their SEO was correct. That content was King, and the fact that they still weren't ranking must be due to something else.

    They just couldn't get off content being king.

    That begged the question.. So I asked these two attorneys... Why am I here? Why did you call me?

    One of the attorney's was getting a little upset. She says "Duh! We're not ranking".

    The meeting got a little ugly at this point but that was OK with me. I looked her straight in the eye and asked "how did you get my number"? She told me from the internet

    I asked "what phrase did you type in"? They had typed in "best louisville seo"

    So I had them type it in again and lo and behold there was my website hogging up the top 2 positions on page one of google

    The first thing I pointed out to them was that their current agency wasn't even on the first page of results. Then I had them click on my site and go to the blog. Then I pointed out that the blog only had one article on it. Just one, that's all.

    Then I sent them searching for their current SEO companies website and when we found it on page 3 of the returns we visited it. It had a shitload of blog posts going back for years.

    I pointed out to them that the people preaching content as king were not proving it to be the case. They agreed that something wasn't right. Then I made them agree with me. I flat out said "ladies, having seen what you've seen here, wouldn't you agree that content isn't king"?

    They agreed with me that the direct evidence before them was indicating that indeed, content was not king.

    Being lawyers they were liking the way I was trying "CONTENT" in a court of SEO law. The facts don't lie.

    So we were past the difficult part of the meeting and the ladies were warming up to me nicely. They now understood that content wasn't king. It wasn't even queen. It was more like court jester. In other words a joke.

    When they asked me why their current company kept telling them "YOU NEED MORE CONTENT" I told them the truth.

    And here's the truth of the matter. You may not like it but that doesn't mean it's not the truth. People that preach "CONTENT IS KING" preach it because they're parrots. They don't have any idea how to rank a site so they parrot the buzz word of the day so that others will think they know what they're doing. When they don't.

    So i got a new client. I will rank their site by following the same tactics I always use. I'll make sure that what they have onsite is optimized to the teeth following googles suggested best practices. Then I will provide 5-10 high quality industry related back links to pages that are optimized for their top 10 key phrases. Afterwards I will do maybe 5-10 more high value backlinks and watch them go to the top of the first page for their key phrases. This will take about 6 months.

    Content? Yes it's important, but it's not King. Not by a long shot. If you're thinking it will get you high rankings. You're sorely mistaken.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Best post I have seen on here in a long time. Good stuff Blaine.

      Heres the thing about the good content argument. If these people even defined good content as content that gets links to it they might be on to something but they go off of their own definition of "good content" and have no idea what Google considers good.

      Even worse Google has told them over and over again what its algo considers good.

      Content that gets votes/links.
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeff Schuman
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    • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
      Originally Posted by Blaine Smitley View Post

      Content isn't king. It never has been and it never will be.
      I agree with pretty much everything you wrote except a part of the above.

      If you go back before Google content was all search engines used to rank webpages.

      Content is very important, without any content you can't rank for anything, you can pull in significantly more traffic from one webpage than 100 articles IF the one page site has a lot of relevant backlinks and the content targets th right SERPs.

      The real trick is to build a site of the size that's needed to rank for as much relevant traffic as possible. Small niche, not much diversity could be a single figure number of webpages, but unless it's an easy niche, you'll need a lot of backlinks. Larger niches with a lot of diversity could need hundreds of webpages to target enough relevant SERPs to run a successful business.

      Content is king in the same way as when playing chess the king is important, but it's nothing on it's own.

      David
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        No, there were not really any search engines.
        Most were just directories.

        And they did not care about content, as they had no
        way to measure it except by meta tags and what you
        plugged in when adding your site.

        Google changed all that.

        Content will never be king.

        Never has, never will.

        It's all about answering a question, data, what floats your boat,
        etc.

        How many of you think izanhazcheezburger has terrific content?
        Probably less than half.

        How about xhamster? Do they have better content than any of you?

        Content is in the eye of the beholder. What I say is great, you
        might say sucks.

        Google knows what answers people questions, for better or worse.
        They aint perfect.

        Wikipedia is full of junk. Period. But that's my opinion. The people
        have voted, and think that content fits the bill.

        There's a difference between great content and giving the people
        what they want.

        Satisfying a searcher is king. And that comes in many, many flavors.

        Some satisfying content does not need to change.

        Good SEO never changes either.

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    • Profile picture of the author PBMax
      Originally Posted by Blaine Smitley View Post

      I will rank their site by following the same tactics I always use. I'll make sure that what they have onsite is optimized to the teeth following googles suggested best practices. Then I will provide 5-10 high quality industry related back links to pages that are optimized for their top 10 key phrases. Afterwards I will do maybe 5-10 more high value backlinks and watch them go to the top of the first page for their key phrases. This will take about 6 months.
      So lemme get this right...if the site has 10 pages, you'll flesh them out and make sure each is optimized for a certain keyword/s, then you'll shoot anywhere from 5-20 high quality, industry-related backlinks over six months (approx just 3 backlinks/month/page) to it and that's it?

      If so, I like the simplicity of the idea (although the work may not be simple), but I don't see GMB factoring in, or any citations (unless those were a given.)

      If I'm mistaken, please tell me where.
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      • Profile picture of the author Blaine Smitley
        Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

        So lemme get this right...if the site has 10 pages, you'll flesh them out and make sure each is optimized for a certain keyword/s, then you'll shoot anywhere from 5-20 high quality, industry-related backlinks over six months (approx just 3 backlinks/month/page) to it and that's it?

        If so, I like the simplicity of the idea (although the work may not be simple), but I don't see GMB factoring in, or any citations (unless those were a given.)

        If I'm mistaken, please tell me where.
        Yes I did over simplify it. There will be citations. Social accounts if not present will be set up. And other things will happen that I'm not at liberty to say...

        It's nothing totally top secret mind you.

        But I rank mine and my clients sites because I tutor under the best 3 guys in the whole nation.

        And the majority of what I deploy comes directly from two of those 3 guys online training courses and services that they sell. The other guy just kind of gives it away for free.

        All 3 of them are here on the forum daily and are easy to spot for people that can get past the BS of the ones screaming shit like "Content is King" and "Social media is King".

        Ranking in the top 3 first page of google is King...

        Social Media? Content? Backlinks? Citations?

        All of those things are consequences of what it takes to be King. Some are more important than others.

        Dave was right about the kings army or what ever it was that he said. Sure contents important. But without an audience who gives a rats ass how good it is?

        I'm on the Vodka boys. Poured me some into a glass of home made wine and now it's on like a pot of neckbone
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          This is really important. We need some clarification on this topic...

          Originally Posted by Blaine Smitley View Post

          I'm on the Vodka boys. Poured me some into a glass of home made wine and now it's on like a pot of kneckbone
          Now did you pour the vodka into the wine and mix it, or did you finish the wine and poured the vodka into an empty wine glass?
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    • Profile picture of the author aaronjwood
      Originally Posted by Blaine Smitley View Post

      Then I will provide 5-10 high quality industry related back links to pages that are optimized for their top 10 key phrases. Afterwards I will do maybe 5-10 more high value backlinks and watch them go to the top of the first page for their key phrases.
      And how do you do this part my friend? Your post was very well written, but this is where the magic happens. Do you buy them? Do you run your own PBN? Do you outsource this? Content + backlands to this content IS king (as this step is completed in a manner that is sustainable IMO).
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    • Profile picture of the author beek
      Originally Posted by Blaine Smitley View Post

      Content isn't king. It never has been and it never will be.

      Some idiot that didn't understand how to do quality SEO said that stupid crap and now it's all over the internet.

      Met with two attorneys the other day about their 3 year old site. They just couldn't seem to get it past the 3rd page of serps for any of their primary key phrases.

      During my interview process I always ask what is the current strategy that you're using. The answer they gave me was "WE'RE PRODUCING HIGH QUALITY CONTENT".

      So I took a look at their high quality content. Over 50 articles posted to their onsite blog over the last 6 months! And yes the quality was high. Well written even and informative. They had been dumping tons of time (which is money) into this project.

      Yet it hadn't moved them at all in the SERPS.

      They didn't like it when I told them that they were wasting time. They didn't like hearing that, after all they were working with the best SEO company in the city. They had looked online and discovered that the company currently handling their SEO was correct. That content was King, and the fact that they still weren't ranking must be due to something else.

      They just couldn't get off content being king.

      That begged the question.. So I asked these two attorneys... Why am I here? Why did you call me?

      One of the attorney's was getting a little upset. She says "Duh! We're not ranking".

      The meeting got a little ugly at this point but that was OK with me. I looked her straight in the eye and asked "how did you get my number"? She told me from the internet

      I asked "what phrase did you type in"? They had typed in "best louisville seo"

      So I had them type it in again and lo and behold there was my website hogging up the top 2 positions on page one of google

      The first thing I pointed out to them was that their current agency wasn't even on the first page of results. Then I had them click on my site and go to the blog. Then I pointed out that the blog only had one article on it. Just one, that's all.

      Then I sent them searching for their current SEO companies website and when we found it on page 3 of the returns we visited it. It had a shitload of blog posts going back for years.

      I pointed out to them that the people preaching content as king were not proving it to be the case. They agreed that something wasn't right. Then I made them agree with me. I flat out said "ladies, having seen what you've seen here, wouldn't you agree that content isn't king"?

      They agreed with me that the direct evidence before them was indicating that indeed, content was not king.

      Being lawyers they were liking the way I was trying "CONTENT" in a court of SEO law. The facts don't lie.

      So we were past the difficult part of the meeting and the ladies were warming up to me nicely. They now understood that content wasn't king. It wasn't even queen. It was more like court jester. In other words a joke.

      When they asked me why their current company kept telling them "YOU NEED MORE CONTENT" I told them the truth.

      And here's the truth of the matter. You may not like it but that doesn't mean it's not the truth. People that preach "CONTENT IS KING" preach it because they're parrots. They don't have any idea how to rank a site so they parrot the buzz word of the day so that others will think they know what they're doing. When they don't.

      So i got a new client. I will rank their site by following the same tactics I always use. I'll make sure that what they have onsite is optimized to the teeth following googles suggested best practices. Then I will provide 5-10 high quality industry related back links to pages that are optimized for their top 10 key phrases. Afterwards I will do maybe 5-10 more high value backlinks and watch them go to the top of the first page for their key phrases. This will take about 6 months.

      Content? Yes it's important, but it's not King. Not by a long shot. If you're thinking it will get you high rankings. You're sorely mistaken.
      Very convincing copy.

      But. You made one mistake. They were not wasting time(money) while writing all that content. Because of that content your job will be that much easier. Because of that content their clients can actually get some info, etc..

      Another thing. Those links you'll provide. It might work now or not. It might work in the future or not. But royal content with the title that people actually search for - works now, and will work in the future. 100% guaranteed!

      In 9 years I owned 4 sites with royal content only - no artificial(SEO) backlinks. From 20-100 articles posted on each. All managed to get at least 3000 unique visitors per day. Currently one with 50 articles gets 5000+ UV per day. I just follow simple logic of actually writing for people and actually using headings and subheadings as they are and were used for centuries. Of course html is always valid and pure as well. No fluffy-broken code stuff. My content is actually so good that it gets picked up and used as a reference by K-12 teachers, college professors, etc. Lately someone from reddit discovered my web site and now people from all walks of life are posting my articles there themselves. My content-niche is always evergreen. I choose so because I am not really that much "in the trend" and I mostly write about "old stuff"

      So yeah. Content was, is and will always be king.
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      • Profile picture of the author Electrical
        What if content stayed forever and never disappeared?
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        • Profile picture of the author beek
          Originally Posted by Electrical View Post

          What if content stayed forever and never disappeared?
          Care to elaborate? I am not really sure what you mean...

          Originally Posted by Electrical View Post

          What about the other 99.999% of the world who doesn't want to be a blogger?
          I see what you meant with your previous post.

          I actually never "operated" a blog. All my sites were and are categorized content sites with evergreen content - not really "blog like" or "blog suitable".
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          • Profile picture of the author Electrical
            Originally Posted by beek View Post

            Care to elaborate? I am not really sure what you mean...
            Apparently deleting content is good for SEO, or else it wouldn't happen so much here.


            I actually never "operated" a blog. All my sites were categorized content sites with evergreen content - not really "blog like" or "blog suitable".
            You had a website with articles on it. Not a blog, ok.

            So I will change my question for you:

            What about the other 99.999% of the world who doesn't want to write articles and put them on a website?
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      • Profile picture of the author Electrical
        Originally Posted by beek View Post

        Very convincing copy.

        But. You made one mistake. They were not wasting time(money) while writing all that content. Because of that content your job will be that much easier. Because of that content their clients can actually get some info, etc..

        Another thing. Those links you'll provide. It might work now or not. It might work in the future or not. But royal content with the title that people actually search for - works now, and will work in the future. 100% guaranteed!

        In 9 years I owned 4 sites with royal content only - no artificial(SEO) backlinks. From 20-100 articles posted on each. All managed to get at least 3000 unique visitors per day. Currently one with 50 articles gets 5000+ UV per day. I just follow simple logic of actually writing for people and actually using headings and subheadings as they are and were used for centuries. Of course html is always valid and pure as well. No fluffy-broken code stuff. My content is actually so good that it gets picked up and used as a reference by K-12 teachers, college professors, etc. Lately someone from reddit discovered my web site and now people from all walks of life are posting my articles there themselves. My content-niche is always evergreen. I choose so because I am not really that much "in the trend" and I mostly write about "old stuff"

        So yeah. Content was, is and will always be king.
        What about the other 99.999% of the world who doesn't want to be a blogger?
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  • Profile picture of the author creat1veone
    I don't have much experience to answer this but I can share the little I have:

    Currently I'm ranking #1 on Google's first page for 3 keywords and the competitors who certainly have backlinks (some 10, some 150+) are nowhere near the first page at all. I have no backlinks so obviously content is very important and you shouldn't let people change how you treat your content quality.

    So my suggestion is with your own sites, make sure you post HQ content, regardless of what people say, is it "king" or not.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by creat1veone View Post

      I don't have much experience to answer this but I can share the little I have:

      Currently I'm ranking #1 on Google's first page for 3 keywords and the competitors who certainly have backlinks (some 10, some 150+) are nowhere near the first page at all. I have no backlinks so obviously content is very important.
      Nope..not obvious........the backlinks could be for other keywords, they could be very weak links and the other sites might not be competing for your term at all. Sounds like drop dead weak competition. Plus your statement makes zero sense. If all your competition were nowhere near page one it would be all your site on the first page.
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  • Profile picture of the author fxstay
    social media is the king these days
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  • Profile picture of the author jojogiuffra
    The king is formed by different things, but one of the most important is the content. I can tell you my personal story:

    When I started Startups That Rock I didn't care about the content, I only care about how much visitors I had.

    Then I realize that I was very wrong, because that is a vanity metric. So, I start to re-branding my blog and goes from JojoGiuffra to Stratups That Rock.

    My old blog had poor content, I didn't care much about quality. Now I am focusing on the quality of my blog posts.

    And since I launch Startups That Rock, my bounce rate goes down and my subscriptions goes up. So I think that Content is very important, but it is not all.

    Social Media is very important too. The conclusion is focus on your content and have a social media strategy. With this two things, your visitors, subscriptions, bounce rates and goal will be reached.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicoli
    One more thing. Blaine, while you may be ranking now with only one blog post, somebody with several high quality posts that get a number of social signals and strong auth BL's will knock you out of the top 3 in due course. It is inevitable.

    Have a watch of this for example - where Matt Cutts says several times that high quality content is key.

    I would elaborate and say that it is part of the key. Most of the keywords I rank in the top 3 for (100+ sites) have had to adapt to the constant barrage of competition that are finally figuring it out.

    You need to not only focus on high quality content, but also reducing rubbish backlinks, and creating strong organic ones. Focusing on Social signals in a big way and ensuring that your site is not only responsive and measures well in the GWT Pagespeed analysis for both mobile and desktop but also has solid on page interlinking.

    There are many other factors but the ones I just mentioned are what you need to focus on.

    Constant updating of posts is silly and not needed unless you face competition who have better offsite SEO than you and are creating more "sticky" content.

    Just my two cents.
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  • Profile picture of the author fsiegel
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    I've always believed that content is king.
    High quality content get you good amount of backlinks even if the content is pretty old.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Ray
    Good content is and always will be king... That is compared to the old style bare minimum article that has nothing but filler and has been spun to the point of no longer making any sense at all.

    But you cannot rely on a article or a series of articles to get you where you need to go in the SEO world. At one time yes, they worked, but there are countless other things that need to be done like backlinks, on/off page optimization, interaction with your readers etc. to get you ranking well these days.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hemanth Malli
    While doing the SEO may be they are changing the Keywords and descriptions for the Off Page if the content is not changed in the website also they will get the ranking for doing better in the Off Page SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexander Swift
    I think you're misunderstanding the issue with the topic's name. The site you searched might have great content, the only problem is that they don't update!
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  • Profile picture of the author BestMate70
    Content is king means better targeted content rank higher. As for the freshness, its usually sitewide. This means, you could be updating your sites at a regular frequency, not necessary a specific ranking page.
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  • Profile picture of the author beek
    I am not sure what you are talking about. Who deleted anything?

    Regarding 99.999% of the world who doesn't want to write articles and put them on a website....well they don't have to. They can do SEO....
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    • Profile picture of the author Electrical
      Originally Posted by beek View Post

      I am not sure what you are talking about. Who deleted anything?
      I bet you would know more about it if it was still here.
      Regarding 99.999% of the world who doesn't want to write articles and put them on a website....well they don't have to. They can do SEO....
      Yes, exactly.

      My point for the last year that everyone has been saying "Write good content, it's the only way to SEO anymore!" is that not everyone is a blogger or a writer. My website has zero good content on it, it's not supposed to.
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  • Profile picture of the author beek
    Well, the competition with content and same amount of SEO that you've done, will triumph at the top spot - above you.
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    • Profile picture of the author Electrical
      Originally Posted by beek View Post

      Well, the competition with content and same amount of SEO that you've done, will triumph at the top spot - above you.
      None of my customers want content, they don't want to read, hell I'm not even sure half of them can read. They just need to be able to dial the phone number.
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      • Profile picture of the author beek
        Originally Posted by Electrical View Post

        None of my customers want content, they don't want to read, hell I'm not even sure half of them can read. They just need to be able to dial the phone number.
        Then all is well. Adwords is perfect for you. Make sure you select image ads.

        Look - it seems you have some kind of offline business and your web site is just a marketing medium for you.
        What you don't get is that someone in the same business can make a web site, add content and hire the same SEO guy and they will triumph above you. It's not full proof but they probably will....get that phone call instead of you.

        We utilize the web differently, you and I. I write content and answer people's questions. You published an ad. Different stuff.
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        • Profile picture of the author Electrical
          Beek, this is a troll account you are using?

          Usually when you see a username registered 5 years ago with no posts the entire time suddenly start posting, it's because the owner made many accounts back then and the other account got banned.
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          • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
            Originally Posted by Electrical View Post

            Beek, this is a troll account you are using?

            Usually when you see a username registered 5 years ago with no posts the entire time suddenly start posting, it's because the owner made many accounts back then and the other account got banned.
            Beek is sort of right, I'd argue it in a different way.

            You offer some sort of local electrician service so need one webpage that people can find for relevant local searches, give you a phone call, you go out or whatever and fix their electrical problems..

            Perfect right?

            Google doesn't really work that way, you might think most of your customers search "Local Town Electrician" and many will, but some will look for "Cheap Local Town Sparky" others "Wiring Local Town" and others "Fit Electric Shower City Close By", the phrases are potentially infinite, searches will use towns, cities, postcodes/zip codes, dialing codes etc... to search for local businesses. If you want that traffic, you need the content that covers it.

            You can't cover all possible SERPs with one webpage, if you want this sort of traffic you need the content that covers it. It's no good having a one page site called "Bob's Electricals New Jersey" and expect SERPs like the ones listed above. If you fit electric showers in New Jersey you'll need a webpage that at least covers the words:

            Fit, Electric, Showers, New Jersey

            And ideally a page specifically targeting the fitting of electric showers in New Jersey.

            Content is a prerequisite to Google SERPs, if you don't have content, you won't get the SERPs.

            However, it's not a case of if you have a website with 1,000 webpages of unique high quality content each targeting a specific SERP (like the ones above) you'll pull in tens of thousands of visitors a day, just because you have content. You also need backlinks.

            When webmasters say things like content is King, I don't think they mean what I've described above. Content is bloody important, but without the backlinks it isn't going to generate anything but very easy long tail SERPs.

            If anything backlinks are still King, but even then without content links have little to work with, so there's no King factor in SEO, you need content and backlinks. How much of each depends on the niche, the websites etc... a local electrician could be a couple of dozen webpages can cover a big chunk of local SERPs with a modest amount of link building.

            I assume Beek adds high quality content which has acted as linkbait, no real need to go searching for the links, the content generates the backlinks naturally. It's a good SEO strategy if you can create content that generates backlinks.

            David
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            • Profile picture of the author Electrical
              Originally Posted by SEO-Dave View Post

              Beek is sort of right, I'd argue it in a different way.

              You offer some sort of local electrician service so need one webpage that people can find for relevant local searches, give you a phone call, you go out or whatever and fix their electrical problems..

              Perfect right?

              Google doesn't really work that way, you might think most of your customers search "Local Town Electrician" and many will, but some will look for "Cheap Local Town Sparky" others "Wiring Local Town" and others "Fit Electric Shower City Close By", the phrases are potentially infinite, searches will use towns, cities, postcodes/zip codes, dialing codes etc... to search for local businesses. If you want that traffic, you need the content that covers it.

              You can't cover all possible SERPs with one webpage, if you want this sort of traffic you need the content that covers it. It's no good having a one page site called "Bob's Electricals New Jersey" and expect SERPs like the ones listed above. If you fit electric showers in New Jersey you'll need a webpage that at least covers the words:

              Fit, Electric, Showers, New Jersey

              And ideally a page specifically targeting the fitting of electric showers in New Jersey.

              Content is a prerequisite to Google SERPs, if you don't have content, you won't get the SERPs.

              However, it's not a case of if you have a website with 1,000 webpages of unique high quality content each targeting a specific SERP (like the ones above) you'll pull in tens of thousands of visitors a day, just because you have content. You also need backlinks.

              When webmasters say things like content is King, I don't think they mean what I've described above. Content is bloody important, but without the backlinks it isn't going to generate anything but very easy long tail SERPs.

              If anything backlinks are still King, but even then without content links have little to work with, so there's no King factor in SEO, you need content and backlinks. How much of each depends on the niche, the websites etc... a local electrician could be a couple of dozen webpages can cover a big chunk of local SERPs with a modest amount of link building.

              I assume Beek adds high quality content which has acted as linkbait, no real need to go searching for the links, the content generates the backlinks naturally. It's a good SEO strategy if you can create content that generates backlinks.

              David
              My website has 75 pages and growing. I have landing pages for different services and different towns.

              None of these pages have what anyone would consider good content. They have some text to describe a service and sell said service to the customer.
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              • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
                Originally Posted by Electrical View Post

                My website has 75 pages and growing. I have landing pages for different service and different towns.

                None of these pages have what anyone would consider good content. They have some text to describe a service and sell said service to the customer.
                Good content is the searcher finds what they are looking for. Avoid the cookie cutter town/city templates of almost duplicate content, liable to get a penalty long term.

                Doesn't have to be a 1,000 word article detailing the history of fitting electric showers in New Jersey, but if you want to be found for that SERP you need the words in the content.

                Search Google for "Fitting Electric Showers in New Jersey"

                the pages listed (including this thread now) use those words or derivatives (NJ = New Jersey).

                It's not rocket science, want a SERP you pretty much need the text content that covers it. Yes you can cover hundreds of SERPs on one webpage, but there's a limit and more you target harder any one SERP will be (you'll need more backlinks), so we spread the load over multiple pages.

                David
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                • Profile picture of the author Electrical
                  Originally Posted by SEO-Dave View Post

                  Good content is the searcher finds what they are looking for. Avoid the cookie cutter town/city templates of almost duplicate content, liable to get a penalty long term.

                  Doesn't have to be a 1,000 word article detailing the history of fitting electric showers in New Jersey, but if you want to be found for that SERP you need the words in the content.

                  Search Google for "Fitting Electric Showers in New Jersey"

                  the pages listed (including this thread now) use those words or derivatives (NJ = New Jersey).

                  It's not rocket science, want a SERP you pretty much need the text content that covers it. Yes you can cover hundreds of SERPs on one webpage, but there's a limit and more you target harder any one SERP will be (you'll need more backlinks), so we spread the load over multiple pages.

                  David
                  I think you are really reaching by calling the 100 word keyword filled sales pitch I put on a landing page "good content".

                  The landing pages work well because of the SEO, both on page and off. Not because it has good content.
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        • Profile picture of the author Electrical
          Originally Posted by beek View Post


          We utilize the web differently, you and I.
          Agreed. And while your blog writing may work for you due to its content, that certainly doesn't mean that content is king.
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        • Profile picture of the author PBMax
          Originally Posted by beek View Post

          I write content and answer people's questions. You published an ad. Different stuff.
          And there's where your backlinks come in - whether you're going after them or not. However, since you write for people and want them to share it, you are writing for backlinks afterall in a sense.

          As for your writing, you say you do link out to source, or simply credit them without hyperlinks?
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  • Profile picture of the author dannysimon
    High quality content is not enough to make your websites visible in SERPS. Aside from content marketing, there is still a lot to do like social marketing and link building.
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    • Profile picture of the author beek
      Originally Posted by dannysimon View Post

      High quality content is not enough to make your websites visible in SERPS. Aside from content marketing, there is still a lot to do like social marketing and link building.
      See, this kind of comments really bug me. You can't apply that "strategy" to all different sites/concepts.

      I did just that - and it's enough. Only quality content - actually researched stuff with reference/citations, etc...
      Visible in SERPS just fine....5000UV/day - no biggie. Still room to grow. I add one new article per month - no backlinks, no mumbo-jumbo. Just pure and nicely presented content that people can actually read. 100 scores on that google desktop/mobile thingie.

      I am sure that 99% of people on this forum and elsewhere (where there is SEO talk) can't even get 1000 UV a day with all content marketing, link building and social marketing. I guarantee it. Seen a bunch of people who after a year or two and getting their sites to 300 a day think they know everything about SEO, web content social marketing....sorry to say but you quite fit the bill with your statement above
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  • Profile picture of the author beek
    Never banned. A troll. I don't know - you tell me

    Again you with some blog. Regarding content is king. Haven't you read my posts? Take into account this : someone in your business from the same town/city publishes a new website. They add a few articles and are maybe blogging. Now they hire your SEO who will take identical steps as with your web site. Now...you tell me who do you think will triumph? Your web site without content with only SEO done or them?
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    • Profile picture of the author Electrical
      Originally Posted by beek View Post

      Never banned. A troll. I don't know - you tell me

      Again you with some blog. Regarding content is king. Haven't you read my posts? Take into account this : someone in your business from the same town/city publishes a new website. They add a few articles and are maybe blogging. Now they hire your SEO who will take identical steps as with your web site. Now...you tell me who do you think will triumph? Your web site without content with only SEO done or them?
      I destroy dozens of other contractors in the area, many of them have blogs.

      The flaw in your argument is that we would have the same SEO done. No two sites have the same SEO.
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      • Profile picture of the author beek
        Originally Posted by Electrical View Post

        I destroy dozens of other contractors in the area, many of them have blogs.

        The flaw in your argument is that we would have the same SEO done. No two sites have the same SEO.
        There is no flaw since it was hypothetical. You know - same business as you + web site + content + same SEO stuff. I realize that no two sites have the same SEO, doh....

        And I destroy competition that hired SEOs. Today....they are nowhere to be seen...

        Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

        And there's where your backlinks come in - whether you're going after them or not. However, since you write for people and want them to share it, you are writing for backlinks afterall in a sense.

        As for your writing, you say you do link out to source, or simply credit them without hyperlinks?
        Of course I want my content shared. But I don't share it myself or utilize any usual SEO "tactic". So I don't artificially "optimize" it. The most important thing is writing stuff that actually gets searched. I don't utilize any keyword tool. Have my own way of finding titles. It's automated of course and a secret weapon - kept me ahead for 8 years. Still can't comprehend no one thought of it to this day....I am willing to share it for 10 million bucks It's pretty much simple data mining.

        If my source is online I link to it.
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        • Profile picture of the author Electrical
          Originally Posted by beek View Post

          There is no flaw since it was hypothetical. You know - same business as you + web site + content + same SEO stuff. I realize that no two sites have the same SEO, doh....

          And I destroy competition that hired SEOs. Today....they are nowhere to be seen...

          You're just not willing to understand the simple English.

          No one is saying that really good content can't get you readers and links.

          People are simply saying that content is not the only way.

          Jeeze...
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        • Profile picture of the author PBMax
          Originally Posted by beek View Post

          The most important thing is writing stuff that actually gets searched. I don't utilize any keyword tool. Have my own way of finding titles. It's automated of course and a secret weapon - kept me ahead for 8 years. Still can't comprehend no one thought of it to this day....I am willing to share it for 10 million bucks It's pretty much simple data mining.

          If my source is online I link to it.
          $10 million, or pretty please with a cherry on top?

          So you use this weapon to find your titles which obviously have your keywords in them. Do you at least interlink your articles, or is that not organic in your eyes?

          Wild stab at your weapon: Yahoo! Answers search box....?
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          • Profile picture of the author beek
            Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

            $10 million, or pretty please with a cherry on top?

            So you use this weapon to find your titles which obviously have your keywords in them. Do you at least interlink your articles, or is that not organic in your eyes?

            Wild stab at your weapon: Yahoo! Answers search box....?
            I'll give it for free. In 2006 I made a spider that goes through forums in my niche and picks up titles, nr. of posts, nr. of different people interested in that specific stuff. Algorithm does the rest. It spits out titles(not keywords) and some stats that help me decide if I should go ahead with writing or not. I think and work in titles(humans) and not keywords(computers). All you have to do now is code this thing and you just saved 10 million.

            Why would I interlink my articles? I just have 5-6 categories and inside I list articles with a short info. I have what some call silo structure. Had it since 2005, doh.... someone a few years later decided it's something new and not something that is known for centuries heh he.
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            • Profile picture of the author PBMax
              Originally Posted by beek View Post

              I'll give it for free. In 2006 I made a spider that goes through forums in my niche and picks up titles, nr. of posts, nr. of different people interested in that specific stuff. Algorithm does the rest. It spits out titles(not keywords) and some stats that help me decide if I should go ahead with writing or not. I think and work in titles(humans) and not keywords(computers). All you have to do now is code this thing and you just saved 10 million.
              Ah, man. Sounds legit, but a coder I am not...

              Originally Posted by beek View Post

              Why would I interlink my articles? I just have 5-6 categories and inside I list articles with a short info. I have what some call silo structure. Had it since 2005, doh.... someone a few years later decided it's something new and not something that is known for centuries heh he.
              Now I want to take a look at your site. You might just be a website OG. PM link?
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              • Profile picture of the author beek
                Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

                Ah, man. Sounds legit, but a coder I am not...



                Now I want to take a look at your site. You might just be a website OG. PM link?
                It can be done manually as well. It took me a month to realize I should code it. Just browse through forums what peeps "homework" or something is Deduct what would people enter into search form and voila. No fancy tools needed really.

                Man. It's simple web site. 5 categories and articles in it + pagination if needed (10 articles per page). Yes, this 2000' stuff still works It's social science niche - literally evergreen if you know what I mean.

                I tried to keep up with SEO years ago but these days... I mean check seroundtable.com - last few "seo news" articles for example. What to make of it? How can anyone actually know what's going on? That's why content is king. It works every time. Even for ecommerce sites selling cricket stuff or something.
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                • Profile picture of the author Electrical
                  Beek, link to this site or it never happened.
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  • Profile picture of the author beek
    SEO-Dave : nice balanced stuff. Thank you for that.
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  • Profile picture of the author beek
    Originally Posted by Electrical View Post

    You're just not willing to understand the simple English.

    No one is saying that really good content can't get you readers and links.

    People are simply saying that content is not the only way.

    Jeeze...


    I understand perfectly. What you don't get is that content will give you the edge. All other things equal, the one with content will triumph above.
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    • Profile picture of the author Electrical
      Originally Posted by beek View Post

      I understand perfectly. What you don't get is that content will give you the edge. All other things equal, the one with content will triumph above.
      I don't agree that it will automatically give me an edge. It might, it might not.

      I can add lots of great content to try and get ahead of another competitor's website, but him getting 2 or 3 links from PR7-8 type sites will do much more for him.


      Again, Content is not king.
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  • Profile picture of the author beek
    Really?....how many links "to your site" have you seen on webmaster forums? Not counting "get rich five figures per day landing pages" of course....
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    • Profile picture of the author Electrical
      Originally Posted by beek View Post

      Really?....how many links "to your site" have you seen on webmaster forums? Not counting "get rich five figures per day landing pages" of course....
      I don't believe you.

      You are clearly a returning member who started using his 5 year old sleeper account tonight.

      You speak about how easy it is to just write something using no SEO at all and get tens of thousands of visitors as if it's tying your shoes.

      You're not real.
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      • Profile picture of the author beek
        Originally Posted by Electrical View Post

        I don't believe you.

        You are clearly a returning member who started using his 5 year old sleeper account tonight.

        You speak about how easy it is to just write something using no SEO at all and get tens of thousands of visitors as if it's tying your shoes.

        You're not real.
        You don't have to believe me. I am not selling you anything.

        Regarding my account. I am sure administrators here can see if I am an old member using sleeper account and they can act accordingly.
        I check warrior forum every couple of months. Go through new posts, etc. I posted in this thread today because I was psyched by my success on my 2 year old site. Currently there are 74 people there browsing (got that info from GA). Hundreds of thousands and not tens. And yet, you are sure it can't be done. And you are so sure that SEO is where it's at More of you - better for me.

        It is as easy as I said. Choose niche and titles carefully and you are good to go. Content wins.
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        • Profile picture of the author Electrical
          Originally Posted by beek View Post

          You don't have to believe me. I am not selling you anything.

          Regarding my account. I am sure administrators here can see if I am an old member using sleeper account and they can act accordingly.
          I check warrior forum every couple of months. Go through new posts, etc. I posted in this thread today because I was psyched by my success on my 2 year old site. Currently there are 74 people there browsing (got that info from GA). Hundreds of thousands and not tens. And yet, you are sure it can't be done. And you are so sure that SEO is where it's at More of you - better for me.

          It is as easy as I said. Choose niche and titles carefully and you are good to go. Content wins.
          I NEVER said that it can't be done, just that you didn't do it.
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        • Profile picture of the author PBMax
          Originally Posted by beek View Post

          Choose niche and titles carefully and you are good to go. Content wins.
          Unfortunately, sometimes our niches are chosen for us.

          As to the titles, if you're meaning categories, then those should be broad and basic, right?

          As to the titles, if you're meaning actual article titles, then those are longtail keywords you're using.

          If you're silo'ing then you're NOT interlinking anything from one category to another and all of it points back to the home page, or category page.

          The only thing I still don't know is really what your secret weapon is about. Searching forums for current questions and providing the best answer on your site?
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          • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
            Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

            Unfortunately, sometimes our niches are chosen for us.

            As to the titles, if you're meaning categories, then those should be broad and basic, right?

            As to the titles, if you're meaning actual article titles, then those are longtail keywords you're using.

            If you're silo'ing then you're NOT interlinking anything from one category to another and all of it points back to the home page, or category page.

            The only thing I still don't know is really what your secret weapon is about. Searching forums for current questions and providing the best answer on your site?
            I think he's saying he scans forums for trending topics and uses those topics (the titles of forums posts) to generate his own content.

            Wasn't clear if he wrote unique content: along the lines if he considered Content in not King a trending topic he'd take the title and use as his title and write some unique content or maybe just aggregates related topics together like a news aggregator linking to the top 10 forum posts or something on a topic using an excerpt of the content for his page.

            Or found trending topics, copied the titles and the content (AKA scraper site). Loads of webmasters scrape content.

            There are easier ways to find trending topics and scraping content long term is likely to generate a penalty.

            It's not a secret.

            David
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            • Profile picture of the author PBMax
              Originally Posted by SEO-Dave View Post

              I think he's saying he scans forums for trending topics and uses those topics (the titles of forums posts) to generate his own content....
              There are easier ways to find trending topics and scraping content long term is likely to generate a penalty.

              It's not a secret.

              David
              No, not a secret, but there may be a different, or better, way. Scraping content does nothing for originality. "Curation" of existing content doesn't either.

              Seeing a topic is popular and writing your angle on it, with lots of interesting data, is the way to do it.

              Question is: What watering hole to draw water from?
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          • Profile picture of the author beek
            Originally Posted by PBMax View Post

            The only thing I still don't know is really what your secret weapon is about. Searching forums for current questions and providing the best answer on your site?
            I thought you understood.... Spider goes through forums and strips what people are talking about, what people are interested in. Real people, buffs in that field - customers $$ bling, bling

            I then go and write unique, researched content (books - rarely web) and publish it. My program is just first step in research. It gives me real world-web data and ideas. My own titles/keywords tool with some added goodies. For example - it recognizes if 5 people on particular forum are interested in the topic or 50

            SEO-Dave : doesn't have to be trending stuff since it's evergreen niche. Although this year is one particular centennial and it's trending. Now you probably know what niche it is?
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            • Profile picture of the author PBMax
              Originally Posted by beek View Post

              I thought you understood.... Spider goes through forums and strips what people are talking about, what people are interested in. Real people, buffs in that field

              I then go and write unique, researched content (books - rarely web) and publish it. My program is just first step in research. It gives me real world-web data and ideas. My own titles/keywords tool with some added goodies. For example - it recognizes if 5 people on particular forum are interested in the topic or 50
              I understand now. Sounds good. You should sell that data to writers per topic.
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      • Profile picture of the author SEO-Dave
        Originally Posted by Electrical View Post

        I don't believe you.

        You are clearly a returning member who started using his 5 year old sleeper account tonight.

        You speak about how easy it is to just write something using no SEO at all and get tens of thousands of visitors as if it's tying your shoes.

        You're not real.
        If he owns an old site with aged backlinks (authority site) he could write as he's described and pull in thousand of new visitors from poorly optimized content.

        That's the power of aged backlinks AKA authority site.

        No idea if he's telling the truth, but that does happen. Look at Wikipedia, the content isn't optimized by anyone Wikitrends - Most visited on English Wikipedia this week

        David
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        • Profile picture of the author Electrical
          Originally Posted by SEO-Dave View Post

          If he owns an old site with aged backlinks (authority site) he could write as he's described and pull in thousand of new visitors from poorly optimized content.

          That's the power of aged backlinks AKA authority site.
          Exactly, it would be links and not content.
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  • Profile picture of the author beek
    SEO Dave : it's really not authority "yet". Got some good stuff from reddit but most important it is linked from inner pages from K-12 schools, colleges. I also found some pdfs where it is cited. If I search for domain I find many pages citing it without backlink as well. Simple citation.
    You might say that is SEO but it is not. Under SEO I understand stuff that I would do myself....
    It's also niche and my way of finding titles. Little or no competition. Once I see people for specific keyword I just go mad and write all the stuff that exists. For example.....secret affairs of some kings....then I go about and write about that king, his kingdom, his family, etc, etc ....you probably see it by now how it just snowballs down (or up ) the hill....

    Content itself is 100% optimized for readers and that means it is optimized for robots as well Heading, sub-headings, paragraphs. I don't use bold text even though I see it is recommended "on the web". I don't see bold "keywords" in books I read....
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