Domain Expiration Clarification

by nik0 Banned
37 replies
  • SEO
  • |
Is the following true for all domain registrars:

- After expiration date it ends up in a 35 day period where the owner has the chance to get it back (often for a heavy fee)

- In the 10 days that follow the domain ends up in auction.

45 days has passed by now.

Is it true that the registrar holds the domain for another 30+5 days after the auction has ended? Or in other words I'll have to wait 35 days in case I don't pick it up in an auction or backorder it?

I got this info from Bluehost btw.

I just saw some nice domains that I could backorder but I saw no one bid on them, so I thought why not wait a few hours so I can register it for only $10,- instead of paying $69 but I guess that doesn't work that way right?

Fatcow claims it's 30 days redemption period and 5 days deletion period

At Network Solutions I see that domains expired at 4 Dec are still not available to register, has been 45 days already, seems different rules apply everywhere or do I misunderstand anything?
#clarification #domain #expiration
  • Domain Flipping is a topic in which I have alot of interest and knowledge in, but sadly not enough money to purse yet - On hold for the time being

    Here's how the expiration process works and the steps involved when the owner fails to renew the domain on the given date

    1. Grace Period: As the name sounds, this is a small window of 10-30 days (Depends on the Registrar. Godaddy has a small window while NameCheap has a longer window) where the owner can renew the domain for the normal price.

    2. Registrar Hold/Redemption Period: After the grace period, the domain enters the Registrar Hold (30-45 Days depending on the Registrar), where the registrar would hold the domain so that the owner can renew the domain. During this window, I think the penalty is of $100 + Renewal Fee's (Not sure though).
    At the same time, the domains is also gets available at auction sites such as NameJet, SnapNames, Pool etc. If someone bids and wins the domain, they have to wait till the Registrar Hold period is over. If, however the domain is renewed by the owner, the bidder get's refunded (On some auction sites, you can't cash out the refund, but only use it to buy domains from their platforms)

    3. Pending Delete: If the owner still doesn't renew the domain and it doesn't gets bought at any auction site, the domain enters the Pending Delete phase which is normally of 5 days.
    During this time, the auction sites set a timer and people start bidding on the domains. They get alot of exposure since people would sort out the domains set to expire in a few hours, so the good ones get bidded out.

    If it's even a half-decent domain, you would not get it at $10. If, somehow the domain goes through the Registrar Hold/Redemption Period (Where you can backorder), then it would certainly get bids when it is into the last few hours of it's deletion phase (You can go to Namejet/SnapNames etc and see their domains along with time left in deletion phase on their Homepage - Point is, these domains gets ALOT of exposure.)

    I actually tried to do the same, decent domains got through the RH/RP, but on the final few mins, got bought!

    Moreover, if there are no bids, you still might not get the domains.
    These auction sites like SnapNames, Pool etc hit the servers of Registrars constantly in hopes of catching the dropping domains. If you bidded at Pool, but SnapNames managed to grab the domain, the person over at SnapNames would win the domain.

    Some of these sites are in business with registrars so they get prefrence from their domains, if I remember it right, SnapNames belongs to Web.com, so they get first pick on their domains.

    Lastly, some people also have custom software's built which go out and hit the registrar serves in hopes of catching the domains. So if a domain goes through unnoticed at the auction sites, of these guys might snag it before you and you'd be left scratching your head.

    Finally, if it's a good domain, invest in the $69 !


    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

    At Network Solutions I see that domains expired at 4 Dec are still not available to register, has been 45 days already, seems different rules apply everywhere or do I misunderstand anything?
    A domain is available to re-registrar at the registrar of your choice in 60-90 days from the day of it's expiry date on the Whois records. The days account for Grace Period, Redemption Period and Pending Delete. Depending on the registrar's policy, the amount of days vary.

    Remember, all expired domains go through auction sites so you just can't expect to wait the days out and grab it at $10.. unless you're the only one who see's value init

    Hope this brief explanation helped you out!
    Signature

    Sig in the making ...

    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9817788].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author nik0
      Banned
      Originally Posted by Chaudhary Daniyal View Post

      A domain is available to re-registrar at the registrar of your choice in 60-90 days from the day of it's expiry date on the Whois records. The days account for Grace Period, Redemption Period and Pending Delete. Depending on the registrar's policy, the amount of days vary.

      Remember, all expired domains go through auction sites so you just can't expect to wait the days out and grab it at $10.. unless you're the only one who see's value init

      Hope this brief explanation helped you out!
      It doesn't seem that all registrars hold auctions though.

      It seems my broker is one of those with custom softwares, he always has domains that you won't find anywhere else, for example if I look at the dropped ones at expireddomains.net the best you'll find is domains that are PR1-PR2, and fake PR3's. Still he always has a healthy supply of PR3/PR4 dropped ones with sometimes very impressive backlink profiles that he sells for $35-$70 (so this are not back-ordered domains as he's below the $69,-).

      But even then, I don't see those domains pop up at expireddomains.net or DomCop, so seriously wonder how he gets them, obvious I know all the registrars, 20+ but lately most come from one specific registrar that doens't hold an auction, only a $69 back order option they offer.

      I know of one huge lead generator that struck a deal with GoDaddy, the domains that go unnoticed in auctions are first offered in a private way, before they release the rest to the public, like there's a margin in between the good and the poor ones that most are not aware of and only few can make use of through connections..
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9817960].message }}
      • Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        It doesn't seem that all registrars hold auctions though.

        It seems my broker is one of those with custom softwares, he always has domains that you won't find anywhere else, for example if I look at the dropped ones at expireddomains.net the best you'll find is domains that are PR1-PR2, and fake PR3's. Still he always has a healthy supply of PR3/PR4 dropped ones with sometimes very impressive backlink profiles that he sells for $35-$70 (so this are not back-ordered domains as he's below the $69,-).

        But even then, I don't see those domains pop up at expireddomains.net or DomCop, so seriously wonder how he gets them, obvious I know all the registrars, 20+ but lately most come from one specific registrar that doens't hold an auction, only a $69 back order option they offer.

        I know of one huge lead generator that struck a deal with GoDaddy, the domains that go unnoticed in auctions are first offered in a private way, before they release the rest to the public, like there's a margin in between the good and the poor ones that most are not aware of and only few can make use of through connections..
        Yep! Most don't, but their domains are still available on auction sites as mostly, these sites are hitting registrar servers with whom they don't have a deal in place.

        A custom software has it's pro's and cons. Pros include the fact that you don't have to pay anything to anyone, while the cons include the banning of the IP for constant hitting on the servers of registrars (Auction sites have a deal mostly and some sneaky systems in place)

        However, software scrapes domains from these auction sites so it's definitely not that. They're seeing what you're seeing.

        Maybe he's getting his domains from another source? GoDaddy's domains can only be back ordered from their auction platform and won't be available anywhere else. Could be that..

        I know there's a method of using link sleuth to find some broken links on high PR pages, scraping them down to root domain and checking availability and PR. You can find some really good, niche relevant domains. It's hassle though! This guy explains it REALLY WELL.

        These brokers always amaze me with their domains and prices. Take a look at Moonsy.com, they have hundreds of PR domains with a timer with bidding starting at $11.. though you have to find that diamond in the rough.. but still, don't know where they get the domains from.

        In any case, if your broker isn't exclusive and provides good domains, feel free to share
        Signature

        Sig in the making ...

        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9818211].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author nik0
          Banned
          Originally Posted by Chaudhary Daniyal View Post

          Yep! Most don't, but their domains are still available on auction sites as mostly, these sites are hitting registrar servers with whom they don't have a deal in place.

          A custom software has it's pro's and cons. Pros include the fact that you don't have to pay anything to anyone, while the cons include the banning of the IP for constant hitting on the servers of registrars (Auction sites have a deal mostly and some sneaky systems in place)

          However, software scrapes domains from these auction sites so it's definitely not that. They're seeing what you're seeing.

          Maybe he's getting his domains from another source? GoDaddy's domains can only be back ordered from their auction platform and won't be available anywhere else. Could be that..

          I know there's a method of using link sleuth to find some broken links on high PR pages, scraping them down to root domain and checking availability and PR. You can find some really good, niche relevant domains. It's hassle though! This guy explains it REALLY WELL.

          These brokers always amaze me with their domains and prices. Take a look at Moonsy.com, they have hundreds of PR domains with a timer with bidding starting at $11.. though you have to find that diamond in the rough.. but still, don't know where they get the domains from.

          In any case, if your broker isn't exclusive and provides good domains, feel free to share
          He gets them from many sources, and quite a few that most likely never heard of, I never heard of many of them till he forced me to create an account there to push them

          On regular base he sets the nameservers for me as the domains are in the 60 day waiting period.

          All his domains have pagerank, domains you find with Xenu don't have PR.

          I just bought RDDZ to quickly check the backlinks, whether they are live, dofollow and PR, and obvious the other metrics, about 1/3rd of his domains I buy, the others are not terribly bad but like 1 PR4 link with a handful of OBL, but I don't like such as when one link is lost the domain is worthless.

          I spend several days on expireddomains.net in the past and never found anything worth to register there. Maybe my sample wasn't large enough as I didn't have any systems in place to mass check PR of the backlinks. He checks them all, how I have no idea about as he does it on so many registrars and thus so many domains, it would cost a fortune on API's if he did it like that.

          I only shared my broker once and received a ton of questions how well I knew that person and what not. He has enough clients and as he sends full lists of domains (100's at a time) he's very secure with who he sends it to. I think I bought nearly a 1000 domains from him in the last 2.5-3 years and spend over $60k, without him I would have another fulltime job researching domains so yes he's pretty exclusive.

          I checked out many other brokers as well but it seems most of them purely sell based on non Google metrics, which makes it completely worthless really when there's not a single backlink with PR In place, outdated or not, every single domain that's worth something still has PR links.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9818292].message }}
          • Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            I only shared my broker once and received a ton of questions how well I knew that person and what not. He has enough clients and as he sends full lists of domains (100's at a time) he's very secure with who he sends it to. I think I bought nearly a 1000 domains from him in the last 2.5-3 years and spend over $60k, without him I would have another fulltime job researching domains so yes he's pretty exclusive.

            I checked out many other brokers as well but it seems most of them purely sell based on non Google metrics, which makes it completely worthless really when there's not a single backlink with PR In place, outdated or not, every single domain that's worth something still has PR links.
            Seems like you're in really good hands then!

            Out of curiosity, how do you find a good domain broker?
            Pretty soon I'll have a legitimate Paypal and a Dollar account when I travel to Europe, so I'm planning to expand my very-tiny PBN and finally be able to tackle bigger, more jucier niches.
            With the university starting and settling and all, I suppose time is going to be a luxury I can't afford alot of so If you know a good broker.. someone who can provide 5.. maybe 10 good domains ever 1-2 months, please let me know in a PM.

            Either way, please do share how you found brokers.
            Signature

            Sig in the making ...

            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9818532].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              The standard time is 45 days from expiration

              Quite a few registrars used to hang on a little longer but if anyone is telling you its standard 30 days after an auction they don't know what they are talking about unless it wasn't an expiring domain auction. When I used to buy at godaddy it took maybe a week to put the domain in my account. Snapnames and Namejet most of the time a few days.

              I know how your broker is getting the domains but Saying would just pile more competition into that space and just in the matter of 6 months its already more competitive than when I entered it. Its one of those areas where as more people get into it it gets harder and harder kinda like the long time expired crawling hayden method ended up getting. However judging by the quantity he is getting he's probably much better setup in that space than I am (its not a source you can just know about and buy as you wish).

              If I was assured Google didn't have something planned for expiring domains I 'd dive in deeper than I am but I suspect something in the next 24 months. Even if its turning of the PR toolbar it will change the whole market and I am not sure anyone will know what to buy anymore.

              It wold be a real pain because you would have to check the backlinks of the backlinks for spam etc too.
              Signature

              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9818595].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author nik0
                Banned
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                The standard time is 45 days from expiration

                Quite a few registrars used to hang on a little longer but if anyone is telling you its standard 30 days after an auction they don't know what they are talking about unless it wasn't an expiring domain auction. When I used to buy at godaddy it took maybe a week to put the domain in my account. Snapnames and Namejet most of the time a few days.

                I know how your broker is getting the domains but Saying would just pile more competition into that space and just in the matter of 6 months its already more competitive than when I entered it. Its one of those areas where as more people get into it it gets harder and harder kinda like the long time expired crawling hayden method ended up getting. However judging by the quantity he is getting he's probably much better setup in that space than I am (its not a source you can just know about and buy as you wish).

                If I was assured Google didn't have something planned for expiring domains I 'd dive in deeper than I am but I suspect something in the next 24 months. Even if its turning of the PR toolbar it will change the whole market and I am not sure anyone will know what to buy anymore.

                It wold be a real pain because you would have to check the backlinks of the backlinks for spam etc too.
                By saying you know how my broker gets his domains you do realize it's spread out over 20-25 domain registrars in total in several countries right? Taking that into consideration that "method" still applies? All the domains also have the PR still in place, though obvious they are "dropped". He does have expired ones, though twice as expensive.

                What I personally see when you repurpose a domain is that after 2 years most are quite a bit weaker and/or need replacement. It's not unlikely for repurposed domains to lose 1 PR point per year so if you suspect something to happen in 2 years it's no reason to already stop investing into it, but yeah automation does cost money and takes time of course if that's what you mean.

                Some would argue, a good domain keeps most of his links, well, most of the domains used to belong to organizations, so the backlink profiles are as legit as they come so if these domains lose 1 point per year I suspect it to be even worse for other domains.

                Btw something completely else, yesterday I spend a good amount of hours to run 35 domains through RDDZ to check everything and to my surprise I saw many times that a PR4 backlink had a TF of 0, and I saw many PR n/a links with a TF of 25+, I wonder what's up with that as it wasn't an incidental case.,
                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9818894].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                  By saying you know how my broker gets his domains you do realize it's spread out over 20-25 domain registrars in total in several countries right? Taking that into consideration that "method" still applies? All the domains also have the PR still in place, though obvious they are "dropped". He does have expired ones, though twice as expensive.
                  Yep I would have been surprised if you said he used one.

                  so if you suspect something to happen in 2 years it's no reason to already stop investing into it, but yeah automation does cost money and takes time of course if that's what you mean.
                  I have no intention of stopping investing in it I just don't need the volume if I am not selling (like your broker is). Whenever the PR of all sites start showing N/A all sellers of PR are going to have to wait for their customers to figure stuff out and he'll either sit on that inventory or have to find a use for it.

                  All the domains I sell have multiple PR links so yeah that would affect me some too and the time to analyze them will jump because you then have to look at all the links closer and figure if they have been spammed (people will b firing up GSA and senuke to do just that.)

                  Btw something completely else, yesterday I spend a good amount of hours to run 35 domains through RDDZ to check everything and to my surprise I saw many times that a PR4 backlink had a TF of 0, and I saw many PR n/a links with a TF of 25+, I wonder what's up with that as it wasn't an incidental case.,
                  I don't know the scenario but it snot surprising. TF only relates to seed sites that are used by Majestic and there are lots of PR4 and up they wouldn't count. Its not meant to be exact replication of PR because no one even knows exactly how Google calculates that.

                  As for N/a links with high TF you are going to see tons load of that more and more because basically any new page or redesigned url page structure in the last year and a half is going to show N/A. You will see internal pages one hop away from PR7s showing N/A which obviously is wrong. One european site I know of redesigned its URL structure and almost all their internal pages even linked straight from navigation on high pagerank home pages show N/A

                  I know you don't want to see it but I would put down good money that within 12-24 months you won't be selling link services based on PR. Its sucks already and its going to suck more and more
                  Signature

                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9818934].message }}
                  • Profile picture of the author nik0
                    Banned
                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    I don't know the scenario but it snot surprising. TF only relates to seed sites that are used by Majestic and there are lots of PR4 and up they wouldn't count. Its not meant to be exact replication of PR because no one even knows exactly how Google calculates that.

                    As for N/a links with high TF you are going to see tons load of that more and more because basically any new page or redesigned url page structure in the last year and a half is going to show N/A. You will see internal pages one hop away from PR7s showing N/A which obviously is wrong. One european site I know of redesigned its URL structure and almost all their internal pages even linked straight from navigation on high pagerank home pages show N/A

                    I know you don't want to see it but I would put down good money that within 12-24 months you won't be selling link services based on PR. Its sucks already and its going to suck more and more
                    I ain't selling based on PR already, so that's not the issue (I always tell my customers that they are of PR 3-4 like strength but obvious I still do buy based on PR.

                    Does Majestic say that, that they only use a select amount of domains to calculate their TF? Quite odd then as every domain I check has TF, but an inner high PR page from another domain with an even higher root PR would have no TF, makes no sense does it?

                    So from that point of view, PR4 inner pages with zero TF, and PR n/a pages with TF as high as 30 sometimes I can't say I trust that metric in any way.

                    Granted Ahrefs URL rank also sucks on further inspectations, PR n/a old burried forum signature links show as 8-12 while tons of PR1-PR2 and even PR3 inner pages often show as 8-12 as well.

                    Then we have PA which seems to assign at least a value of 10 to every single link, and every link that is only somewhat close to a page with some juice shows as 20-25, did you use RDDZ's function to check PA of the backlinks? Every domain looks absurd impressive when you go off of that.

                    Yep we're gonna have a difficult time determining strength of domains without pagerank.

                    You'd think it can't be that hard for 3 of such huge players on the market with immens databases to mimic PR in a bit of a more reliable way, heck they could just use 15+ years old PR formula from Google and come up with better metrics but I suppose that's still patented or something.

                    I think the largest obstacle is what you see all the time, links shown that don't exist, so when there's a new forum thread that shows up high on the page they detect it and give it an instant value of what it's worth at that point, and once it's burried they never update that metric again, and thus it shows more strength then it really has.
                    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9819068].message }}
                  • Profile picture of the author nik0
                    Banned
                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    Yep I would have been surprised if you said he used one.
                    Lol keep on pretending there are secrets pal, all there is are the right connections, nothing more nothing less.
                    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9826001].message }}
                    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                      Lol keep on pretending there are secrets pal, all there is are the right connections, nothing more nothing less.
                      You asked a question and i answered so I dunno what your issue is. IF you thought you were going to bait me to say more sorry. Too bad your only connection is your broker. Too bad for you I mean. Lol
                      Signature

                      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9826048].message }}
                      • Profile picture of the author nik0
                        Banned
                        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                        You asked a question and i answered so I dunno what your issue is. IF you thought you were going to bait me to say more sorry. Too bad your only connection is your broker. Too bad for you I mean. Lol
                        Lol, you totally make up stuff that doesn't exist, you're so funny!

                        Too bad you don't have any connections at all
                        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9826157].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author nik0
              Banned
              Originally Posted by Chaudhary Daniyal View Post

              Seems like you're in really good hands then!

              Out of curiosity, how do you find a good domain broker?
              Pretty soon I'll have a legitimate Paypal and a Dollar account when I travel to Europe, so I'm planning to expand my very-tiny PBN and finally be able to tackle bigger, more jucier niches.
              With the university starting and settling and all, I suppose time is going to be a luxury I can't afford alot of so If you know a good broker.. someone who can provide 5.. maybe 10 good domains ever 1-2 months, please let me know in a PM.

              Either way, please do share how you found brokers.
              I was looking for someone and he had an add on a small forum, I suppose back than he could use some extra clients. That's why I was kinda surprised by his response only 6 months after when I shared his details.

              Not sure if you know Dan from FullControlSEO? I once bought a few domains from him as well, very solid ones but not cheap, $200-$250 price range for PR4's so it never hurts to ask.

              Terry Kyle also sends out a list of domains now and again, have to analyze them properly though as it contains quite a bit of crap so it's never 100% hands off. Especially pay attention to whether the links have PR / dofollow and if they are still live or not.

              Another one is TBSolutions if I remember correctly, he's a bit over priced imo but he does show the amount of PR links per domain, however once again double check it as I checked few in the past from them and it turned out many links are not live.

              When you compare the above three to the typical forum seller that solely relies on Xenu then my suggestions are much better but it comes at a price.

              My private broker (that I won't share) is getting less as well, now that the competition increases it are more and more foreign domains. I even have an account at a registrar from China and one in Russia, I don't buy russian or chinese domains but cause they are registered there doesnt always automatically mean that they only have russian/chinese anchor/link profiles or such TLD's, no it are just .com .net .org with English link profiles, it just happens that the people who registered them live in China I suppose. Though those are few but like I said, when I buy a batch of let's say 40 domains I need to provide account details of 10-12+ registrars.
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9818867].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author onsett
            Fix'd. You can guess the tbPR of a new domain by looking at the tbPR of the backlinks, using a PR table. Unless the expected tbPR is very clear based on the backlinks, subtract 1 or 2 to get a more accurate expected tbPR.

            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            some domains you find with Xenu don't have PR, some do (but you won't see the tbPR until a refresh).
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9823800].message }}
            • Profile picture of the author nik0
              Banned
              Originally Posted by OnsetSEO View Post

              Fix'd. You can guess the tbPR of a new domain by looking at the tbPR of the backlinks, using a PR table. Unless the expected tbPR is very clear based on the backlinks, subtract 1 or 2 to get a more accurate expected tbPR.
              Funny how those tables always ignore the OBL.

              And I suppose we can guess the tbPR of the backlinks by looking at the root domain tbPR,

              Once tbPR doesn't show anymore we are getting a ton of new WSO's from people who always despited SEO, claiming that they have the new alternative for PR, that in addition to all the garbage domain sellers that sell based on mostly worthless metrics while claiming there are secret methods to find cheap but solid deals, while in reality there are just certain people that deal with such volume that they are able to close deals with registrars, same like larger players like NameJet, SnapNames etc do.

              The world is full of secrets, lmao!

              Quite funny, that the best domains are being snapped away before SnapNames gets a chance to snap.

              There's only one secret in the expired domains circuit and that are the right connections.
              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9825020].message }}
              • Profile picture of the author yukon
                Banned
                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                Funny how those tables always ignore the OBL.

                And I suppose we can guess the tbPR of the backlinks by looking at the root domain tbPR,

                Once tbPR doesn't show anymore we are getting a ton of new WSO's from people who always despited SEO, claiming that they have the new alternative for PR, that in addition to all the garbage domain sellers that sell based on mostly worthless metrics while claiming there are secret methods to find cheap but solid deals, while in reality there are just certain people that deal with such volume that they are able to close deals with registrars, same like larger players like NameJet, SnapNames etc do.

                The world is full of secrets, lmao!

                Quite funny, that the best domains are being snapped away before SnapNames gets a chance to snap.

                There's only one secret in the expired domains circuit and that are the right connections.
                Expect a lot more of those fake metrics once Google drops that PR API & 15 years worth of 3rd party software goes belly up overnight.
                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9825063].message }}
                • Profile picture of the author nik0
                  Banned
                  Originally Posted by yukon View Post

                  Expect a lot more of those fake metrics once Google drops that PR API & 15 years worth of 3rd party software goes belly up overnight.
                  Absolutely, have to really look close at the actually backlink profile.

                  Personally I already avoid domains with 5k+ links or 500+ referring domains where the majority has no trustflow, PR, or whatever metric.

                  There's some relation between Majestics TrustFlow and PR, in other words it's an indicator for strength, but not unless it looks something like this:

                  1+ TF40+ backlinks
                  5+ TF30+ backlinks
                  10+ TF25+ backlinks
                  20+ TF20+ backlinks

                  With such backlink profile you're kind of guaranteed to have a domain with strength, anything less than that or a TF <20 means completely nothing.

                  Oh and with that I mean from at least 15 different referring domains, if it's anything less than that I wouldn't even be bothered if there is no PR to verify it with.

                  You know what such link profiles result in PR wise?

                  1 PR4
                  2 PR3
                  5 pR2

                  So from that you can see that like 70% of the TF20+ links aren't worth shit.

                  Anyway that's what I noticed when I checked the backlink profiles of 200 domains in the last 3 days. Funny enough, an equal amount of high PR links showed zero TF, so Majestic is doing an absurd poor job.

                  On the other hand, when we look at Moz, what a huge joke is that, I see something like this:

                  1 PA50+ backlink
                  5 PA40+ backlinks
                  10 PA30+ backlinks
                  50 PA20+ backlinks

                  And ALL of these backlinks are PR0, what a freaking joke that Moz is, I'm sure you agree on that

                  Ahrefs URL rank is a semi-decent strength indicator as well, but once again only when you look at Ahrefs URL rank 20+ and then you still need a decent volume of it.

                  Using this method you ignore a lot of strong links that once again show as Ahrefs URL rank 8 or something, while that should've been like 25+, but hey, those missing strong links would just be a nice bonus.

                  However all those sketchy sellers will obvious start to sell it purely based on the metrics of the domain and not of the backlinks, and if they use the backlinks metrics they will obvious come up with garbage like 50x Ahrefs URL rank 10+ or 25x TF10+ which means once again NOTHING.
                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9825997].message }}
                  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                    Ahrefs URL rank is a semi-decent strength indicator as well, but once again only when you look at Ahrefs URL rank 20+ and then you still need a decent volume of it.
                    .
                    Ahrefs metrics are garbage except for weeding out the lower end stuff. Like it or not cry about it or not, call every seller besides yourself a scam artist the future in domain evaluation is Moz and Majestic. Its unstoppable. those are the most widely used metrics by far in the industry.
                    Signature

                    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9826064].message }}
                    • Profile picture of the author nik0
                      Banned
                      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                      Ahrefs metrics are garbage except for weeding out the lower end stuff. Like it or not cry about it or not, call every seller besides yourself a scam artist the future in domain evaluation is Moz and Majestic. Its unstoppable. those are the most widely used metrics by far in the industry.
                      Lol if Moz is the future I'll eat my shoe.

                      Stop being so ridiculous, you really have no idea what you're talking about.

                      But hey, I bet newbs will buy it, so enjoy all the business coming to you, at least one will benefit from it.

                      Ever thought why most "brokers" sell domains instead of renting them out or using them for their own?

                      Quick answer: No one will keep paying rent when the ranking gains are so minimal.

                      Now you also know why I don't sell domains.

                      Heck I could have one domain selling business myself based on metrics but I don't like to lower myself, instead I just disabled the renew option for 80+ domains and more to come. (Most bought according to Hayden's method, what a bunch of crap is that on further analyzement).

                      The only succesful brokers deal with such volumes that it would be impossible to use them for their own gains, and thus they sell them, their fulltime business is analyzing domains 24/7, they wouldn't have time to post on forums. Those brokers can't be bothered with clients buying 5-10 domains at a time, that's why you don't see them advertising.

                      My old lead gen clients struck a deal with GoDaddy but he had to buy 800 domains in two weeks, that's why he would be able to sell them, though he's an exception that he can use it for himself.
                      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9826163].message }}
                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                        Lol if Moz is the future I'll eat my shoe.

                        Stop being so ridiculous, you really have no idea what you're talking about.
                        Moz and Majestic my boy. Get used to eating leather I guess. Everyone knows they are the top two metrics in use. Last time you posted like this you were hitting the sauce (no lie you said so the next mrning). Is that the case here?.Everyone knows this
                        Signature

                        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9826172].message }}
                      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                        Ever thought why most "brokers" sell domains instead of renting them out or using them for their own?

                        Quick answer: No one will keep paying rent when the ranking gains are so minimal.

                        Now you also know why I don't sell domains.
                        No you just buy them from the brokers who you just claimed sell them because the ranking gains from them are so minimal.

                        ROFL.......

                        The only succesful brokers deal with such volumes that it would be impossible to use them for their own gains, and thus they sell them, their fulltime business is analyzing domains 24/7, they wouldn't have time to post on forums. Those brokers can't be bothered with clients buying 5-10 domains at a time, that's why you don't see them advertising.
                        No sense whatsoever. Selling 10 domains to 20 people is the same as selling 100 to two and if brokers never advertised in any way then no one would know they were selling. Plus you can never have too many domain links to use in order to rank. If that were the case they would rank for a number of competitive terms make bank and forget about brokering all together..

                        I think you should take a nap and come back when you are refreshed.preferably with some black coffee under your belt.
                        Signature

                        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9826188].message }}
                        • Profile picture of the author nik0
                          Banned
                          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                          No you just buy them from the brokers who you just claimed sell them because the ranking gains from them are so minimal.

                          ROFL.......

                          No sense whatsoever. Selling 10 domains to 20 people is the same as selling 100 to two and if brokers never advertised in any way then no one would know they were selling. Plus you can never have too many domain links to use in order to rank. If that were the case they would rank for a number of competitive terms make bank and forget about brokering all together..

                          I think you should take a nap and come back when you are refreshed.preferably with some black coffee under your belt.
                          Once again you make zero sense, I'm in the lucky position to know some of the real brokers out there, might have to step up my game in the future and make direct deals with registrars but for now I'm totally fine paying $40-$50 for domains that if they ended up on NamesJet etc. I'd pay $69 for.

                          I also know of all the small auction sites, like Dynadot where bidding starts at $14,95 (just testing them now and made some quick bids that I have to analyze further at some later point).

                          Lol selling 10 domains to 20 people is nothing the same as selling 100 domains to two people, how could you even make such comparison. You rather deal with 20 small clients, up to you, if I was in his position I'd rather sell to a few large customers, way less hassle, same like 80% of my subscribers come from only 5 agencies, makes things so much easier as you only have to explain things once, and most know what to expect.

                          Lol never too many, good luck setting up a 1000 domains a month just to name something, besides, when a competitor reports you multiple times you can lose a lot of domains so you have to stay in the somewhat smaller niches or do a ton of extra work to cover it all up, hardly possible when dealing with such volume. Brokers make easy money and don't have to worry about deindexations or getting penalized.

                          Just finished my coffee, isn't it time to go to bed for you by now? Must be 2:30am or something, guess one whisky too many
                          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9826253].message }}
                          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                            Once again you make zero sense, I'm in the lucky position to know some of the real brokers out there, might have to step up my game in the future and make direct deals with registrars but for now I'm totally fine paying $40-$50 for domains that if they ended up on NamesJet etc. I'd pay $69 for.
                            Well goodie for you. You don't have connections so thats good.for you I would never have to pay $69. Don't have to...that umm connections thing again....lol...You NEVER can keep your logic straight. If there are no secrets then your broker doesn't have them either.....lol.

                            Lol selling 10 domains to 20 people is nothing the same as selling 100 domains to two people, how could you even make such comparison. You rather deal with 20 small clients, up to you, if I was in his position I'd rather sell to a few large customers, way less hassle
                            Dude you make so little sense its hilarious. You have two buyers one drops out you hold inventory. You have 20 5 drop out one months others make up for the slack. You can tell you have no experience with this. It takes the same amount of time to analyze 200 for 2 as it does 200 for 20,. try again

                            Lol never too many, good luck setting up a 1000 domains a month just to name something.
                            He wouldn't have to . he could make bank with half that in a lot of niches and even outsource the setting up. BMR had over a thousand as far as I know. where you been?

                            Like you said though...no one would sell domains if they could use them to rank......so if you are getting them from a broker he would be selling you domains that couldn't do much. You always end up tripping over your own logic

                            Just finished my coffee, isn't it time to go to bed for you by now? Must be 2:30am or something, guess one whisky too many
                            Maybe it has something to do with my connections ..lol..... You fishing for details again? they aint coming son. Go fish in the Hayden pool where you swear everyone but you gets domains. lol. your broker and I know better.
                            Signature

                            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9826286].message }}
                            • Profile picture of the author nik0
                              Banned
                              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                              Well goodie for you. You don't have connections so thats good.for you I would never have to pay $69. Don't have to...that umm connections thing again....lol...You NEVER can keep your logic straight. If there are no secrets then your broker doesn't have them either.....lol.

                              Dude you make so little sense its hilarious. You have two buyers one drops out you hold inventory. You have 20 5 drop out one months others make up for the slack. You can tell you have no experience with this. It takes the same amount of time to analyze 200 for 2 as it does 200 for 20,. try again
                              You buy domains where my broker cherry picked the arsenal of domains before you and you don't even realize it. Talking about hilarious. The secret = private deals, though you love to make it out for something that doesn't exist, you have the idea that gives you some exclusivity which is completely made up but sure the noobs would buy it as they don't know any better.


                              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                              He wouldn't have to . he could make bank with half that in a lot of niches and even outsource the setting up. BMR had over a thousand as far as I know. where you been?

                              Like you said though...no one would sell domains if they could use them to rank......so if you are getting them from a broker he would be selling you domains that couldn't do much. You always end up tripping over your own logic

                              Maybe it has something to do with my connections ..lol..... You fishing for details again? they aint coming son. Go fish in the Hayden pool where you swear everyone but you gets domains. lol. your broker and I know better.
                              Sure he could if he really wanted to but it's obvious you never dealt with any volume yourself based on how easy you talk about it.

                              Fishing for details from you, give me a break, if I want domains that have gone through multiple pools I'll get in touch with you, I promise

                              If you were at the same level of my broker you would never be sold out so keep that for the noobs please, enjoy fishing at Dynadot and the like, I'm sure you'll find a dozen domains or so to meet your demands.

                              See here I already helped you out by making you aware of the $14,95 auctions at Dynadot, I ain't gonna reveal the other 20 similar registrars that hold such auctions, go find them yourself noob

                              Funny you call small auction sites a secret when they are available to anyone that want to make use of it.

                              Once you manage to find a broker or a private deal with one of the large registrars I will show you some respect, till than you're just a tiny fish in the ocean that scaping for pennies. I sincerily hope for you to that Google's PR API's stops working, then you can finally start to make some big bucks as people have no way to verify it properly!!!

                              Ok long enough chit/chat, shortly summarized:

                              - I buy domains from a real broker with private deals at large registrars
                              - You scrape small auction sites, your well kept secret LOL

                              The end!

                              Wish to chat longer but I have some boring work to do
                              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9826292].message }}
                              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                You buy domains where my broker cherry picked the arsenal of domains before you and you don't even realize it.
                                Lol nothing funnier than a guy that doesn't know anything pretending he does. uh huh...like your broker (f he exists) tells you where and how he gets his domains. Oops you've already admitted before you don't know where he gets them so you have no idea what he cherry picks before me. there ya go again tripping over yur statements.

                                Talking about hilarious. The secret = private deals, though you love to make it out for something that doesn't exist, you have the idea that gives you some exclusivity
                                nah never claimed that stop fibbing

                                which is completely made up but sure the noobs would buy it as they don't know any better.
                                I think the newbs know better thats why Maulana, Sidley, Spoon and even vanilla ran you out of town in the for hire section....lol. You always come in here whining at me because they beat you in offering SEO here. go argue with them...oh thats right you can't because they'd laugh at you.

                                you were at the same level of my broker you would never be sold out so keep that for the noobs please.
                                lol...Dude heres the amusing thing. we don't even know if your broker even exists. You blow smoke more than a chimney on everything so if you say you bought 50 from him you probably bought ten . If you say he has 300 he could even be a guy on godaddy with 20. Who knows?

                                Go bother Maulana and Spoon. You actually know what they do and how they do it and they still ran you out of town ...rofl...What happened? they had a better broker? Drats...nik0 is foiled again.


                                Funny you call small auction sites a secret when they are available to anyone that want to make use of it.
                                Lol.... he's still trying to bait and fish. Still not telling you son. I'm not giving you a bone. The RDDZ tip was all you get. You can have dynadot auctions (like that was a secret) Be happy with that and good luck with the guy on godaddy or is it DP....oh noooooo. .

                                Heres yet another dead giveaway of your smoke blowing. If you are so satisfied for now with your imaginary broker then why are you bothering with dynadot and asking questions nearly eve ry week about good domains? Buy from your broker. but no there you are trying to hunt down auctions sites and baiting me for info. lol..sorry son actions speaks louder than words.
                                Signature

                                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9826312].message }}
                                • Profile picture of the author nik0
                                  Banned
                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                  Lol nothing funnier than a guy that doesn't know anything pretending he does. uh huh...like your broker (f he exists) tells you where and how he gets his domains. Oops you've already admitted before you don't know where he gets them so you have no idea what he cherry picks before me. there ya go again tripping over yur statements.
                                  Lol full of assumptions

                                  How can I not know where he gets them when he pushes them to all my different registrar accounts. Hey a push to Dynadot, hmm wonder where he got it, hey a push to GoDaddy hmmm, tough job figuring that out


                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                  nah never claimed that stop fibbing

                                  I think the newbs know better thats why Maulana, Sidley, Spoon and even vanilla ran you out of town in the for hire section....lol. You always come in here whining at me because they beat you in offering SEO here. go argue with them...oh thats right you can't because they'd laugh at you.
                                  Sorry care to elaborate? Most of my threads were always in the Classified Ads section, not sure if that matters. Maulana is the guy that once started ALN isn't it, never heard of the rest. But what's the point you're trying to make here? That they offer a better service or that they bump their threads more aggressively? I quit volume bumping 1.5 years ago already, before that I had like 30 sales threads and spend like $1500/month on bumping them, but back than I mostly offered one time packages, nowadays only a monthly service so there is no need for large volumes of clients.

                                  Besides, I think Maulana mostly offers a rental service these days, tried that but got tired of adding/removing links non stop, you know yourself there are tons of sites that will never rank so cancellations are a natural result when getting involved in such rental business.

                                  I wouldn't call it whining, same like you call out my service as bullshit I do the same to you, fair trade isn't it?


                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                  lol...Dude heres the amusing thing. we don't even know if your broker even exists. You blow smoke more than a chimney on everything so if you say you bought 50 from him you probably bought ten . If you say he has 300 he could even be a guy on godaddy with 20. Who knows?
                                  And your point is?


                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                  Go bother Maulana and Spoon. You actually know what they do and how they do it and they still ran you out of town ...rofl...What happened? they had a better broker? Drats...nik0 is foiled again.
                                  Why would I bother Maulana, I never see him posting here, can't start discussions in his sales threads can I, you don't make much sense Mike.


                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                  Lol.... he's still trying to bait and fish. Still not telling you son. I'm not giving you a bone. The RDDZ tip was all you get. You can have dynadot auctions (like that was a secret) Be happy with that and good luck with the guy on godaddy or is it DP....oh noooooo. .
                                  Lol there is no bone, don't keep pretending like there is, I already told you, it's either smallish public auctions or private deals with registrars in addition to backordering, larger auctions and picking up deleted crap. Everyone agrees on that so don't pretend like there is some other magic way to obtain domains.


                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                  Heres yet another dead giveaway of your smoke blowing. If you are so satisfied for now with your imaginary broker then why are you bothering with dynadot and asking questions nearly eve ry week about good domains? Buy from your broker. but no there you are trying to hunt down auctions sites and baiting me for info. lol..sorry son actions speaks louder than words.
                                  Why wouldn't I bother with Dynadot? Now I pay $40-$50 for such domains, at Dynadot the bidding starts at $14,95. When I have the time for it I sure will look around a bit but apparently that makes no sense to you

                                  Lol at asking questions nearly every week about good domains, when was the last time, please quote me on it, very curious, unless you count: "What you think this domain is worth" but that was purely started to call out bullshit metric based sellers, like yourself. Heck you even admitted you would lower your standards when researching domains due to no PR update and Tadaaa, a day later his signature appears again. What a joke!

                                  Ps: You receive one response a day from me as I'm very busy the coming few weeks and can't be bothered to go back and forth multiple times a day, fair deal?
                                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9828337].message }}
                                  • Profile picture of the author nik0
                                    Banned
                                    Hey Mike,

                                    I just checked out Shannon Spoon to see what he has to offer:
                                    • social bookmarking
                                    • directory submission
                                    • web2.0's
                                    • image links
                                    • search engine submission
                                    • rss submissions
                                    • press release submissions
                                    • classified ads submissions
                                    • video links
                                    • document sharing
                                    Lol you got to be kidding me, comparing dedicated private blog networks to a whole bunch of public link spam, it's like going 3 years back in time, if that are my competitors than, well just lol

                                    I do agree this type of link diversity is still very popular, and it's how I started out as well 3 years ago literally, so if you mean they beat me in sales, I sure believe that but if I have to offer such links again I'd rather sell less.
                                    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9828356].message }}
                                    • Profile picture of the author nik0
                                      Banned
                                      Now let's have a look at what Sidley has to offer:

                                      You will receive 10 to 20 links a day from PR2+ blogs for the entire subscription period
                                      Wow, every single day, that is 300 to 600 public blog post links per month, and that for $59,- for the first month.

                                      In other words a bunch of spun posts on a poor network using SEO hosts and the like as it's obvious impossible to have 300-600 individual shared hosting plans, ok add some Cloudflare but repeat this for three months and OMG, 900-1800 truly unique IP's, really?

                                      Once again, feel sorry for the people that do business with them, churn & burn at best.

                                      Did you read the responses on the last page? Everyone is nagging that they haven't see any noticable improvement, I thought 300-600 PR2+ posts should make a difference.

                                      That's two competitors lol, seems those guys learned nothing from all the Penguin updates.
                                      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9828370].message }}
                                      • Profile picture of the author nik0
                                        Banned
                                        Is this the Vanilla you talk about? Can't find anyone else by that name.

                                        Had his original sales post deleted by the mods, can't mean anything good, and only sold content so wonder if this is the one you mean.

                                        You know who also used to ran me out of town (to use your words), Ceasar SEO, lol what happened to him, last three pages are full of negative reviews. Heard he sold the business and since then his customers received links from Russian soil, had a few of his old customers contact me about it and they switched over to me.
                                        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9828387].message }}
                                        • Profile picture of the author nik0
                                          Banned
                                          Now for Maulana to complete the list:

                                          This looks interesting:

                                          http://www.warriorforum.com/warriors...st-prices.html

                                          But people can get links on these platforms their selves, they are just a bit tight with content quality so it's ok to have that covered for $30,- on average I suppose. The first two on his list are NewsVine and Examiner, anyone can create an account there and submit an article but when you submit crap it gets deleted real fast so as said $30,- for a high quality article that remains is not a bad deal. I just bookmarked his thread, might use it for my own new larger affiliate sites. Someone else offered it to me before but for higher prices.

                                          I might even recommend it to my clients, as an upsell or something as it really can't hurt to have some solid contextual links at authority sites. As a matter of fact I'll shoot him a PM now to see if I can get some bulk discount so that I can at least cover the Paypal fees when I sell it to my clients.


                                          Then there is this public blog network service that he offers:

                                          50 posts for $99 (spun content obvious or in their words "human readable), same old, same old, my customers don't want spun content to be used in the links so Maulana is obvious no competitor for me.


                                          Homepage rental service

                                          15 Homepage links for $85,- one time.

                                          Max 40 OBL per homepage, unique written content it seems.

                                          This could be a decent enough deal under the condition that the OBL profile per domain is unique enough and not a set of 15 domains per 40 clients as that would lead to auto deindexations, just a matter of time.

                                          I assume he knows what he's doing and mixes it up, not too crazy about 40 OBL though, but yeah I could offer something similar if I wanted to as a quick math shows:

                                          40 links * ($5,70 - $1,60 for content) = $164,- income per domain, so that's doable.

                                          I've thought about a similar network btw, but than with 10 OBL and thus a higher price per link obvious.

                                          Actually I am in the process of setting up a new network with the OBL limited to max 3. That's why I said one response a day as I'm busy working.

                                          Permanent links at such sites will likely range from $20-$60 (PR2-PR4 dropped), but the problem is that most people want more links and pay less per link so it will never get very busy so I won't launch it as a service, only as an upgrade to my monthly service for existing clients.
                                          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9828413].message }}
                                          • Profile picture of the author nik0
                                            Banned
                                            So Mike, why you list a bunch of vendors that offer nothing compared to what I do?

                                            What I do is rent out dedicated domains and in addition we build a dozen or so links at our premium diverse network, oh and we also do some mix and matches trades at the dedicated domains, So client A receives a link at Client B's site, and client B receives a link at Client C's site (as long as they are relevant to each other that is) and without leaving any possible OBL footprints.

                                            I don't see anyone offering a service like that, only Mike Friedman does something similar for his clients but he is charging complete different prices and cause of that he can buy more expensive domains and put some more work into each site, but that's only natural as he charges like $1k-2k+/mo and I charge $99/$198/mo

                                            And now for the ham question, who I learned this new approach from? Not from you, from Mike Friedman (and not from his course but just from his posts here and there) and obvious from using common sense as well.

                                            My new approach is hard to scale as it requires large upfront investments from my part so I'm not actively seeking new clients anymore, I just want to maintain my current 70-75 clients and in case one drops I'd like to see him replaced, that's why I bump my thread once every week / two weeks.

                                            Anyway it was a nice comparison and to see what others are doing in 2015, same as they always did it seems, guess I'm the only one that evolves here.
                                            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9828414].message }}
                                            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                              ROFL...6 posts in a row...

                                              whats sup NIk mention of the guys who still sell SEO in the classified section and ran you off got you going eh??? Touched a nerve I guess.

                                              But.....Dude...sorry to be the bearer of bad news - the parties over. Haven't you noticed? Traffic is through the floor on this forum section. Of those left no one here cares about your walls of text and 6 posts to read em. Entirely new crowd . So all that sales speech and trashing of your competitors I just skimmed over barely reading is for nothing. A bunch of us told you to sell outside forums but you wouldn't listen and kept going for the cheap market now yep all the sellers I listed and more have whooped you and run you out. They still advertise and get sales and you mostly been crying here how things are drying up trying to find out how you can fill the empty sites with amazon affiliate slots ....lol.

                                              So cry and moan and try and spin how great your service is over theirs because very few real buyers will be reading it. Those days are probably over for good, If you are not advertising you won't fill all your amazon slots. Sig traffic doesn't do that much anymore.......Sorry. Borrow some money so you can bump (but then didn't work before which is why you had to stop)

                                              You'll have to learns some other marketing besides trashing competitors to get sig traffic or you'll have to go back to holland...(but judging by your dual tagline you might be back there already).

                                              Get into the higher end of SEO before you get another large wave of domains deindexed like before. You'll have to learn about SEO for real businesses........if you can

                                              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                                              Anyway it was a nice comparison and to see what others are doing in 2015, same as they always did it seems, guess I'm the only one that evolves here.
                                              Naaaaaaah............ you are doing what you always did. Trashing the other sellers in the classified section . pointing out their weaknesses while trying to hide the weaknesses of your own. Standard Nik0 tactic for the last three years but now almost no one is reading.
                                              Signature

                                              {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9828452].message }}
                                              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                                                oh and good luck playing around with dynadot auctions..... ROFL

                                                Edit:just saw something about one response a day....good luck with that. You'll probably be talking to yourself Almost all the regulars are gone so I doubt I will be checking in much except to see if it picks back up
                                                Signature

                                                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9828474].message }}
                                                • Profile picture of the author nik0
                                                  Banned
                                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                                  oh and good luck playing around with dynadot auctions..... ROFL

                                                  Edit:just saw something about one response a day....good luck with that. You'll probably be talking to yourself Almost all the regulars are gone so I doubt I will be checking in much except to see if it picks back up
                                                  You're still here despite your plans to leave, they don't want you at Mike's forum?
                                                  {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9828549].message }}
                                              • Profile picture of the author nik0
                                                Banned
                                                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                                ROFL...6 posts in a row...

                                                whats sup NIk mention of the guys who still sell SEO in the classified section and ran you off got you going eh??? Touched a nerve I guess.

                                                But.....Dude...sorry to be the bearer of bad news - the parties over. Haven't you noticed? Traffic is through the floor on this forum section. Of those left no one here cares about your walls of text and 6 posts to read em. Entirely new crowd . So all that sales speech and trashing of your competitors I just skimmed over barely reading is for nothing. A bunch of us told you to sell outside forums but you wouldn't listen and kept going for the cheap market now yep all the sellers I listed and more have whooped you and run you out. They still advertise and get sales and you mostly been crying here how things are drying up trying to find out how you can fill the empty sites with amazon affiliate slots ....lol.

                                                So cry and moan and try and spin how great your service is over theirs because very few real buyers will be reading it. Those days are probably over for good, If you are not advertising you won't fill all your amazon slots. Sig traffic doesn't do that much anymore.......Sorry. Borrow some money so you can bump (but then didn't work before which is why you had to stop)

                                                You'll have to learns some other marketing besides trashing competitors to get sig traffic or you'll have to go back to holland...(but judging by your dual tagline you might be back there already).

                                                Get into the higher end of SEO before you get another large wave of domains deindexed like before. You'll have to learn about SEO for real businesses........if you can

                                                Naaaaaaah............ you are doing what you always did. Trashing the other sellers in the classified section . pointing out their weaknesses while trying to hide the weaknesses of your own. Standard Nik0 tactic for the last three years but now almost no one is reading.
                                                Just got back to see if Maulana responded.

                                                But yes, most of what you just said is true, it's a waste of time comparing it all here, the others do sell more as it looks more interesting to noobs, more links always wins no matter what the conditions.

                                                The only thing is I ain't crying, I am happy with my current clients and don't want anymore than a few to replace the ones that cancelled now and than, the sole reason why I bump my threads once in a while. What do you not understand about that?

                                                I'm in a very good position and made a lot of money over the last 3 years, I don't have to refrain to selling crap to fund my bank account, I can make additional money in other ways for example:

                                                - I'm testing my writers platform now which will hopefully be finalized by the end of the month

                                                - I'm building 6 large authority sites (well large, about 150-200 pages each)

                                                - I'm building 10 midi affiliate sites (50 pages each), each month with the intention to flip them, imagine 10 sites each month that will make $500-$1000/mo each within 6 months or a sales value of let's say 15* monthly * $750 * 10 sites = $100k+/month WOW, obvious have to find buyers for that but if not than I can obvious keep them for myself and still reach that amount in say 1.5 year time without having to build new ones each time

                                                - I'm improving the strength of my network by replacing older domains, so that I provide even better rankings and thus less maintenance, as fewer clients will cancel so less need for new ones and thus less work for me.

                                                So do you really think I worry about a $99/mo client more or less?

                                                And no I ain't following anyones advice to advertise outside the forums to charge higher prices, as I can't be bothered people calling me by phone in the middle of the night (12 hour time difference vs US) or holding webinars and all that. I work at my own times / terms.
                                                {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9828536].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Terry Kyle
    Those are from a third party vendor Nik and as with any expired domains, due diligence is essential.

    I don't vet any of them and warn everyone to do their own checking.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9819182].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author nik0
      Banned
      Originally Posted by Terry Kyle View Post

      Those are from a third party vendor Nik and as with any expired domains, due diligence is essential.

      I don't vet any of them and warn everyone to do their own checking.
      Yes I understood that from Mike Anthony lately, that's why I mentioned you send out the list, not that you sell them. Afterall I do receive those emails with your name attached to it.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[9819218].message }}

Trending Topics