Does anyone use SEO Services from WF

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Does anyone here use SEO services from WF that are really showing results? I've been told Odesk is not the way to go with SEO if I want it done properly and most refer to the prices but some of WF prices are the same so am I really getting the same quality of work? Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Seymour
    Youd have to know what type of service you are purchasing. It's hard if you dont know much about SEO yet. If you have the basic knowledge at least, then you'd know how risky or how good a service can be.

    There are some good people over here. Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author RHCalvin
    I would prefer hiring an employee out of the freelance websites. Odesk and others are not much helpful to get your services done. Rather you can get freelancers in forums where you can get past experiences and trust.
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    • Profile picture of the author wedreamseo
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      Quality has it's price.

      A blog post for $1-$2 can never be good as there's simply no margin for written content so it's spun, often on over crowded sites.

      Actually the same thing applies to blog posts at $5-$6, though those can contain written content, it would just be a short posts that rolls off so the gains are temporarily. In the end you need more and more of such links till the point it starts to leave footprints.

      There are also people offering such blog posts with 100-300 words of content for $10-$12, claiming the links remains permanent on the homepage, often with 40 OBL. This is another problem as most of the sites feature the same clients, which leaves a large outbound link footprint and most of these networks end up deindexed within a year.

      A good blog posts how ever, is preferably a post on a real website or as real as it can get, with few submissions per month and set up in such way that there's no linking from every single post or a permanent link on a domain shared with just a handful of others. Though those are not always natural the characteristics make sure you can hugely benefit from them. There's just one problem, such links would cost $20 upwards per post. Not really a problem one would think but when competing in a marketplace with people offering posts starting at $0,20/post up until $10/post it's very hard to sell such post for $20+.

      That's why you hardly see anyone offering such links, it's simply not profitable due to the lack of volume. Funny thing is that I do offer these links and my sales threads have been alive for a couple of weeks now.

      Guess how many I sold? ZERO

      Actually I do sell these links on a very regular base to long term customers of mine but not through forum marketing. In the past I used to sell those cheaper posts as well, and back than they did their job but things have changed quite a bit and at a certain moment it turned out that these links became harmful so logically I changed my strategy and transformed my networks bit by bit.

      So to answer your query, don't expect to find a better quality here than on sites like oDesk, Freelancer.com and such. Obvious there are some exceptions, however there are a lot of deceptive promises made in sales threads.

      I can't count the number of times where I see people advertising whitehat SEO and when I look at the description of links I see the same old web2.0's, pdf/doc submissions, press releases, article directories, social bookmarks and so on. Not only have they zero relation to whitehat but such links are absurd weak that you can't rank a thing with them.

      If you want long term results you have to learn SEO yourself first, and follow up with hiring a freelancer that you teach what you learned. The site backlinko.com is a great starting point for people who aren't afraid to put in some time on their own. He teaches true whitehat methods like link outreach, broken link building and these type of things. Unfortunately it's not easy to put in practice for many people as their sites are simply not link worthy. That's why PBN's (private blog networks) are so popular, but as said, most are setup in such poor way that they do more harm than good.
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      • Profile picture of the author wedreamseo
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        To continue about PBNs, some people claim there's a difference between PUBLIC BLOG NETWORKS (eg sold on IM forums) and truly PRIVATE BLOG NETWORKS.

        Ok, the risk at a private blog network is a little less

        BUT...

        I just saw a guy with 30+ Amazon affiliate sites ranking in the top 3 for most of his keywords, a client made me aware of it that all his money sites are deindexed and half of his PRIVATE blog network has been deindexed as well.

        In fact he didn't do it that bad, he linked only to two or three of his money sites from one private blog network site, he used solid shared hosting plans, no cheap SEO hosts.

        However despite his limitation of OBL and using good hosting and unique themes and a mix of videos/images and links to external authority sites he still got hit very hard.

        There were two huge give-a-ways that caused this:

        1) The domain names don't match the theme of the site (very hard to the degree of impossible to domains relevant to your niche)

        2) All the money sites used the exact same theme, perhaps same hosting as well, I haven't checked on that, but obvious this connected all of them to belong to the same owner.

        3) The PBN sites still looked like ugly small sites, not hard to detect what was going on.

        So once Google starts to manual review you, and no matter how well you try to cover it, Google obvious ain't stupid, and this time they took real harsh measures by deindexing all his money sites and not just his PBN sites. Eg only 50% of his PBN got deindexed, I guess they were doubtful about some sites as granted, some did look quite natural, but what does that help when your money sites are all deindexed as it was obviously clear that it was one huge link farm / affiliate setup with the majority of links from his PBN.
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by wedreamseo View Post

          To continue about PBNs, some people claim there's a difference between PUBLIC BLOG NETWORKS (eg sold on IM forums) and truly PRIVATE BLOG NETWORKS.

          Ok, the risk at a private blog network is a little less
          Actually the risk is a LOT less.

          Originally Posted by wedreamseo View Post

          BUT...

          I just saw a guy with 30+ Amazon affiliate sites ranking in the top 3 for most of his keywords, a client made me aware of it that all his money sites are deindexed and half of his PRIVATE blog network has been deindexed as well.

          In fact he didn't do it that bad
          Originally Posted by wedreamseo View Post

          1) The domain names don't match the theme of the site (very hard to the degree of impossible to domains relevant to your niche)

          2) All the money sites used the exact same theme, perhaps same hosting as well, I haven't checked on that, but obvious this connected all of them to belong to the same owner.

          3) The PBN sites still looked like ugly small sites, not hard to detect what was going on.
          You say he didn't do it that bad. Based on this, I would argue otherwise.

          Yes, there are worse "private" networks out there, but that one still sounds awful.
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          • Profile picture of the author wedreamseo
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            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            You say he didn't do it that bad. Based on this, I would argue otherwise.

            Yes, there are worse "private" networks out there, but that one still sounds awful.
            What I mean with not too bad is that his network sites only linked out to 2-3 money sites and he always kept it niche relevant. He also used solid hostings and such but he just forgot a few things, which is costing him an awful lot of money now.

            Friend of mine figured he might have made as much as $100k/month. He observed him for a long time already.
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            • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
              Originally Posted by wedreamseo View Post

              Friend of mine figured he might have made as much as $100k/month. He observed him for a long time already.
              That would be a shitty thing to wake up to one morning.
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              • Profile picture of the author wedreamseo
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                Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                That would be a shitty thing to wake up to one morning.
                At least he can now count his money without worrying if Google will penalize him one day

                His sites seem to go back to 2012 so if he's wise he should have 7 figures in the bank to relax for a while. Could also be that he balled it all away on Porsches and Lamborginis, who shall say!

                My traffic increased with 20% the day he tanked lol.
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              • Profile picture of the author colorado1850
                I would check out luckyman2k in the WF classifieds / for hire. I have used his VA service for a couple of months and been impressed with what they do.

                I'm typically guilty of not being laser focused on a set of keywords and having my site and pages optimized for those keywords. SEO work, whether you do it yourself or hire it out - white hat or black hat - doesn't do a whole lot for rankings anymore if your onsite stuff isn't rock solid. That's just my experience.
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                • Profile picture of the author wedreamseo
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                  Originally Posted by colorado1850 View Post

                  I would check out luckyman2k in the WF classifieds / for hire. I have used his VA service for a couple of months and been impressed with what they do.

                  I'm typically guilty of not being laser focused on a set of keywords and having my site and pages optimized for those keywords. SEO work, whether you do it yourself or hire it out - white hat or black hat - doesn't do a whole lot for rankings anymore if your onsite stuff isn't rock solid. That's just my experience.
                  No offense but I just requested a sample report from luckyman2k as the diversity of links attracted me but it was very disappointing. I won't go into to much detail but the site they used three of their packages on (the 3 largest that is) ranks at #339 for an easy to rank kw.

                  I'll leave it at that.
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  • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
    I've used some vendors that are on WF, but not because they're on WF. It's more of a coincidence than criteria for selection. Even with all the fraudsters and scam artists around merely selling on this forum is not an automatic negative mark from me either. Hey, I'm on this forum too...

    I've not seen many "full SEO services" on WF. I think that's the biggest difference to those who offer their services on Odesk. The next sentences have some poorly backed up generalizations, so apologies if that bothers you. WF vendors seem to be more likely to do one risky thing poorly, and that might nuke your site entirely. Odesk vendors are more likely to toil around with a bunch of worthless tasks. It'd be very careful with both.

    If you're looking for link building wedreamseo outlines some of the specific problems with his long posts above.
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    • Profile picture of the author wedreamseo
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      Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

      I've used some vendors that are on WF, but not because they're on WF. It's more of a coincidence than criteria for selection. Even with all the fraudsters and scam artists around merely selling on this forum is not an automatic negative mark from me either. Hey, I'm on this forum too...

      I've not seen many "full SEO services" on WF. I think that's the biggest difference to those who offer their services on Odesk. The next sentences have some poorly backed up generalizations, so apologies if that bothers you. WF vendors seem to be more likely to do one risky thing poorly, and that might nuke your site entirely. Odesk vendors are more likely to toil around with a bunch of worthless tasks. It'd be very careful with both.

      If you're looking for link building wedreamseo outlines some of the specific problems with his long posts above.
      Lol good point. Odesk and such seems to be over crowded with Indians that gave up on SenukeX and now offer professional SEO in the shape of optimizing your meta tags and such

      The funniest part is negotiating about price with such people. We all received those spam mails with an endless list of mostly onpage things and some public PR n/a links for something like $200-$300/month. A few times I made it a hobby to get it for as cheap as possible, lowest I was able to get was $35/month which pretty much relates to Fiverr gigs when you look at the work.
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  • Profile picture of the author singhavn
    Fiverr is a good place for:

    Churn and burn links for your 2nd tier needs
    Large video submissions
    Article submissions
    Press release submissions

    Or anything similar. You just need to know the right thing to purchase.
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