Intermediate-Advanced Technical Questions on Google Penguin Clean-up Strategy

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Hello SEO Warriors!

I was hit with a REAL bad penalty in May 2013, and the date corresponds to Penguin #4. Never received a manual spam action for this, but the 50% drop in traffic was very apparent. Since then, I've had a slow reduction in traffic, to where I am today... which is almost baseline. Increases in traffic have not occurred regardless of efforts (positive helpful content creation, gaining natural links through sharing info, etc.).

In researching a little more, I see that my old SEO companies built my links with exact keyterm matches as the link text, many of them repeated over and over, verbatim, on different sites. I've heard two pieces of advice that I don't like 1) scrap the site, or 2) disavow ALL the links.

I would rather see if I can get the webmasters to change the link to something generic, just the url, or my brand name, before I do either of these. To scrap my site and start new will be near impossible because I'm in an extremely competitive niche, and my site has age (since 2007), so rather work with what I have.

A couple of questions, if I may:

1) This penguin update, #4, on May 22nd, was it ONLY because of the link text? Or was it also because of the link quality? None of the updates before it harmed me, and I believe those were because of the quality?

2) Could it be for links linking from my blog to my site? My blog (ex. www.mysite.com/blog), has close to 1,000 blog posts, and back in the days I would write these really long, keyword stuffed links leading to www.mysite.com. I've been in the process of cleaning these up, and shortening them, and changing them to more generic (click here's), but it is a LONG and painstaking process.

3) If I get webmasters to change text to just the url or brand name, that's better than disavowing, correct? As long as the link is from a quality source?

4) Is having SOME exact anchor text okay on these links? Is it just the abuse that's the problem? If so, how many should I leave? (like 5 max per keyword?) Or should I just change to the url, or disavow altogether, any and all links that have exact keyword matches?

5) I've downloaded my link profile from OSE and Majestic, and will do so from Ahrefs (I believe it is)? Does Webmaster Tools have any section that can help give me insights into the issue? If so, can you point me in the right direction?

6) Can I get partial credit, for some work done? For instance, say a major update, or crawl, happens, and I've only fixed/disavowed 25% percent of the links by then, is there a possibility that I get a small boost in traffic? Or am I in the doghouse till they are all fixed?

7) Say I clean/disavow everything up, will my improvement be seen in the next crawl? Or the next Penguin update? As there may be a substantial difference in time there?

Thanks guys, but the last thing I want to do is ditch my site... I will work hard on this, but need some guidance.

Much appreciated!


David


PS, I see AHREFS, has some information on anchor text... any rules of thumb as to percentages of use of a certain anchor text, to see if I'm abusing or not, before I start undertaking all of this? Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        I wouldn't bother disallowing links... I'd rather build new ones, using the url and long phrases (some would include keywords, some would be actual sentences).

        I would revise posts so they read like they were written for humans (no keyword stuffing, no funny stuff).

        I would get links from sites I've never gotten links from (sites in related or, even better, the same niche -- the latter, you'd probably have to buy or you'd have to create a few sites for yourself... Make sure they stand on their own, they're sites that exist as business sites not as sites to boost another business site, they'll be 2nd tier but treat them like they're your money site.)
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        • Profile picture of the author savidge4
          Originally Posted by DABK View Post

          I wouldn't bother disallowing links... I'd rather build new ones, using the url and long phrases (some would include keywords, some would be actual sentences).
          There is a reason Google put the disavow tool in place. you HAVE to bother with the BAD links... that's the whole idea.

          You have to find all of the links coming in... put them in a data base. determine the Good from the Bad.... the BAD - Disavow no ands no buts no ifs. The GOOD.. you can let these stand even tho the text is all the same, but you need to bust tail and even it out with new links. - or go with disavow to level things off a bit.

          No one here is going to like it all that much but I would be doing a kick ton of no-follow linking in very very related niche type blogs. I would shoot for the 50+ blogs a week for 4 weeks like kick ton.

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          To be honest threads like this really get under my skin. its not at the OP personally but just website owners in general. You got slapped with a repairable issue. Here we are 2 years later and what 2 or 3 times now Google has release "updates" that could have been the opportunity to bring your site back into good favor. I have to ask.. what the hell have you been doing?

          Google makes it real damn clear... what to fix and how to fix it... they even gave you a tool ( Disavow ) to correct the issues at hand. and you have done what? The bottom line is this... gaming Google got you into this mess... you were to lazy to write decent material, or at the least check to see if it wasn't copied.. so get in there and write material. Google believes your link back profile stinks.. I will bet there was some half baked link back strategy used.. and guess what you got caught ( go figure )

          You have figured out that Google is not the only game in town.. but its one worth playing in. Google has some pretty simple freakin rules... and to be honest only idiots get smacked with Panda and Penguin. Weak content and bad backlinks, really? you have stated you have all the tools to find bad backlinks.. and seriously.. how hard is it to figure out if your content is weak? You want back in the game.. stop with the half baked half assed gaming crap that got you where you are, and step up, cleanup, and get back in the game.

          It really is not that hard.. I just think its easier to whine about it than actually do something about it.
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          • Profile picture of the author David C.
            Thank you, DABK, and Savige4!

            Savige4, I was fairly ignorant about SEO up until now. Just now learning it in-depth, and just now realized the type of penalty I was hit with and why.

            I did do a cleanup of bad links already... an extensive one. And disavowed MANY links already. But just now caught wind that the link anchor text itself could be harming me.

            Not sure if you've seen my site, but I actually have produced a lot of quality content, especially on my blog (which runs out of the same url). At link building, I'm new... at content creation, that's always been a strong point for me.

            The link building was done by an SEO company, and yes, it was pure "gaming" of the system... the only quality links that were built were ones by me over the years, which I received organically, I know this is no excuse, and I'm the one responsible for anything done on my site, but once again, this was just ignorance on my part...

            And I didn't know I was whining... just wanted direction.

            With that being said, I DO highly appreciate the advice and direction. Sometimes someone needs to be yelled at like a cadet by a drill sergeant. Thanks for that.

            Let me ask this, though, this was intriguing... building all the nofollow links, what benefit does that bring? (I do this quite a bit already), and do you believe Google is passing some link juice through these now-a-days, as some people speculate? Thanks!
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            • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
              Originally Posted by David C. View Post

              Let me ask this, though, this was intriguing… building all the nofollow links, what benefit does that bring? (I do this quite a bit already), and do you believe Google is passing some link juice through these now-a-days, as some people speculate? Thanks!
              No, there's no link juice. I guess some see it as a kind of balancing act. They're trying to get some benign nofollow links to drown their questionable links so that Google would not catch them for the whole profile being questionable. To me this seems like a poor strategy in most cases, but I guess it would not hurt to try it in your situation. However, I would not expect miracles.

              You say you're already gone through the link profile, and disavowed the worst links. I'd leave it at that, and try to see if there's some other obvious changes that could have affected your visibility. 2,5 years is an awfully long time in internet years... What have your competitors done? What kind of sites are beating yours? Are you sure that whatever you're selling still sells, and it's not about the whole niche being passé?
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          • Profile picture of the author DABK
            I read the OP's post as them having a problem with the same anchor text appearing too many times and some bad links.

            I think the solution to too many occurrences of the same anchor text is adding more link with different anchor text, not deleting links. Though, you could do that too... Just don't think it's the way to go.

            Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

            There is a reason Google put the disavow tool in place. you HAVE to bother with the BAD links... that's the whole idea.

            You have to find all of the links coming in... put them in a data base. determine the Good from the Bad.... the BAD - Disavow no ands no buts no ifs. The GOOD.. you can let these stand even tho the text is all the same, but you need to bust tail and even it out with new links. - or go with disavow to level things off a bit.

            No one here is going to like it all that much but I would be doing a kick ton of no-follow linking in very very related niche type blogs. I would shoot for the 50+ blogs a week for 4 weeks like kick ton.

            *** Added ***

            To be honest threads like this really get under my skin. its not at the OP personally but just website owners in general. You got slapped with a repairable issue. Here we are 2 years later and what 2 or 3 times now Google has release "updates" that could have been the opportunity to bring your site back into good favor. I have to ask.. what the hell have you been doing?

            Google makes it real damn clear... what to fix and how to fix it... they even gave you a tool ( Disavow ) to correct the issues at hand. and you have done what? The bottom line is this... gaming Google got you into this mess... you were to lazy to write decent material, or at the least check to see if it wasn't copied.. so get in there and write material. Google believes your link back profile stinks.. I will bet there was some half baked link back strategy used.. and guess what you got caught ( go figure )

            You have figured out that Google is not the only game in town.. but its one worth playing in. Google has some pretty simple freakin rules... and to be honest only idiots get smacked with Panda and Penguin. Weak content and bad backlinks, really? you have stated you have all the tools to find bad backlinks.. and seriously.. how hard is it to figure out if your content is weak? You want back in the game.. stop with the half baked half assed gaming crap that got you where you are, and step up, cleanup, and get back in the game.

            It really is not that hard.. I just think its easier to whine about it than actually do something about it.
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