Stop Doing SEO The Stupid Way...

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I've gotten so many damn messages over the past few weeks from people about weather they should buy links or build their own PBN. So rather than reply to each message over and over again I decided to write this post to answer this question once and for all. I also share a few things I have learned over the past few weeks while engaging in SEO on a day to day basis.

Following what I share here will save you a lot of time and heartache.

1. Stop buying rental links.

When you look at the cost of buying rental links its going to cost you more in the long run. I recommend you spend that money on buying "exp domains" that still have solid SEO health and overall value.

2. Unless the domain meets every requirement to the T for the project you are working on there is no need to drop $300-$500 on a domain. Especially if you are just starting out.

I was able to build 2 PBN's this week for the price of one high quality domain sold at online domain auctions.

3. When you own a PBN of 10-20 sites per network you can get over 5-15 links per website and all for your own use.

i.e. Lets say you are paying 30$ per month for a few links and you have 15 links you are paying for every month. That is damn near $450 per month on links. And the truth is most people cant spend that much per month starting out.

Now if you own a network of 10-20 sites and you get 5 links per each site you are already getting 3-6 times more links for less than what you would spend monthly. So in the long run you save yourself a shit ton of money.

4. Stop buying these damn cookie cutter affiliate sites. So many people who want to get started in SEO spend so much time building out affiliate sites and then when it comes to building links have no more capital left.

Who the hell would sell someone a website that could generate them extra $500-1k per month for $150-$200. If anyone in their right mind was making that much per site they would not be selling them. Unfortunate a lot of naive people buy into that stuff.

When the majority zigs I zag. When I got serious about SEO I started which was not too long ago, I realized that its smarter for me to build my PBN's first so I can actually have the tools I need to rank when I build the site that I want.

When you OWN your OWN PBN network you have way more leverage and you don't have to worry about being unsure if the links you are renting are actually live.

5. High quality PBN domains are now being purchased at wholesale prices. Its been going on for a while now. For the cost of renting out a $60 link you can buying up to 5 high PBN domains.
#seo #seo 2015 #stop #stupid
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  • Profile picture of the author Alperr
    Which or what kind of domains can you put into ''high PBN domains'' category? I mean what to consider?
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    • Profile picture of the author movemaker
      Originally Posted by Alperr View Post

      Which or what kind of domains can you put into ''high PBN domains'' category? I mean what to consider?
      Domain Authority
      Page Authority (This is particularly for the page you are ranking. It has its own authority)
      Trust Flow
      PR (This is no longer the main metric to look at but it still counts in my book)

      From there you want to do a backlink analysis and see if there are any "negative" links...ie :porn or anything related to vice. Or anything that may look spammy in any kind of way.

      From there you should be good to go.

      Those are some of the main requirements I look for.
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  • Profile picture of the author ethan greys
    Yes, you can buy some PBN domains and build a lot of quality backlinks from them. However, you have to attract traffic to that domains. If you can, google will not give you a high score from these backlinks
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      No, they have to have backlinks pointing to the pages you're linking to your sites from.

      Originally Posted by ethan greys View Post

      Yes, you can buy some PBN domains and build a lot of quality backlinks from them. However, you have to attract traffic to that domains. If you can, google will not give you a high score from these backlinks
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        Nothing you are talking about is real SEO. It's just
        gibberish about gibberish.

        Except #1. If you don't know that buying links is the
        best things one can do, well, it figures. Gibberish-wise.

        PBNs? Holy hashish...If that's your entire SEO, holy alice b. toklas!

        Paul
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        • Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

          Nothing you are talking about is real SEO. It's just
          gibberish about gibberish.

          Except #1. If you don't know that buying links is the
          best things one can do, well, it figures. Gibberish-wise.

          PBNs? Holy hashish...If that's your entire SEO, holy alice b. toklas!

          Paul

          No that's not the only thing i use lol
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        • Profile picture of the author movemaker
          Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

          Nothing you are talking about is real SEO. It's just
          gibberish about gibberish.

          Except #1. If you don't know that buying links is the
          best things one can do, well, it figures. Gibberish-wise.

          PBNs? Holy hashish...If that's your entire SEO, holy alice b. toklas!

          Paul
          Gotta love the trolls...

          I guess if no one is doing SEO the trolls way then they are not doing it right...

          For anyone who is reading this just know that people like this guy are who are always negative do not deserve your attention.

          I'm here to build site that's generate me income. And what I have been taught and implemented has worked. I am by no means covering every basis of SEO in this post. Just a few nuggets that I feel are valuable. There is a lot more details that go into the process.

          I could speak on semantics but that would take forever.

          No matter what this troll is telling you. PBN's still work...And for someone who is starting out that wants to take this seriously make an investment in a PBN.
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          • Profile picture of the author paulgl
            Originally Posted by movemaker View Post

            Gotta love the trolls...

            I guess if no one is doing SEO the trolls way then they are not doing it right...
            You fit the bill as The Troll of the Week.

            I despise them.

            They start a BS thread, full of BS, then pile it on deeper...thinking
            the sheep will drink the koolaid. And when they don't, they whine,
            cry, moan,...just waiting for a diaper change.

            Paul
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            • Profile picture of the author movemaker
              Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

              You fit the bill as The Troll of the Week.

              I despise them.

              They start a BS thread, full of BS, then pile it on deeper...thinking
              the sheep will drink the koolaid. And when they don't, they whine,
              cry, moan,...just waiting for a diaper change.

              Paul
              No one asked you to comment on this thread so who is the troll here...If what I'm sharing is so BS then show us what you have to offer. With 8K plus posts its obvious where you spend your time.

              All of your comments are always negative and offer nothing but putting people down. But I'm don't conversing with you as doing so gives Trolls more power.

              Either offer some value or just shut up and stay off this thread. I'm done!
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  • Profile picture of the author mikhailblaze
    We tried using PBNs once, and it didn't exactly do well (we had to start from scratch and all). I can't question your methods (if you have results to show), but if your SEO campaign fully relies on PBN, then you need to add more into the table.

    In our case, we mainly relied on high traffic guest post and editorial sites, and so far, it's doing ok.
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    • Profile picture of the author movemaker
      Originally Posted by mikhailblaze View Post

      We tried using PBNs once, and it didn't exactly do well (we had to start from scratch and all). I can't question your methods (if you have results to show), but if your SEO campaign fully relies on PBN, then you need to add more into the table.

      In our case, we mainly relied on high traffic guest post and editorial sites, and so far, it's doing ok.
      My methods do not rely solely on PBN's but I've just noticed the difference that they make when done properly. SEO and ranking is not ONLY about PBN's there a lot of things that go into it.

      Some people want to go into every detail and I just want rankings that will stick and help me get more traffic which will in return generate more sales for my online assets.

      And from my experience when I implemented high quality backlinks via PBN's and I see some major differences in my speed of rankings.
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  • Profile picture of the author dronehawk
    Ranking is not all about seo but they do play a significant part. I know of seo guys who still rank without pbns.
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      Ranking pages in Google is called SEO. So, ranking is, and can only be, about SEO. What activities go into SEO may change. PBN's are not necessary for ranking, etc. Look up the definition of SEO.

      Originally Posted by dronehawk View Post

      Ranking is not all about seo but they do play a significant part. I know of seo guys who still rank without pbns.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathongs
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      Originally Posted by dronehawk View Post

      Ranking is not all about seo but they do play a significant part. I know of seo guys who still rank without pbns.
      Yes, that's obviously right that both seo and marketing are equally important for site ranking to top. Everyone need to run both campaign.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMRAN368
    Seo is importent for web user. because it's imporove our web ranking, visitor,PR etc. In the days many of user used many seo software . but this software have many problem. so don't use stupied software for SEO. genaraly search engine optimize day by day incrase your web ranking . it's not one day work , it's do manually white hat system.
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  • Profile picture of the author oghenk
    What do u think about this :
    Google has reportedly taken action on sites participating in private blog networks, also known as PBNs. Google sent out widespread manual action notices via Google Webmaster Tools to these sites for “thin content” spam. Read complete news Here
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    • Profile picture of the author movemaker
      Originally Posted by oghenk View Post

      What do u think about this :
      Google has reportedly taken action on sites participating in private blog networks, also known as PBNs. Google sent out widespread manual action notices via Google Webmaster Tools to these sites for "thin content" spam. Read complete news Here
      T think this was when everyone was buying PBN links from the same seller which is very easy to track. But when you set up your own the right way its not as easy to get detected.
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  • Profile picture of the author sysdev0
    These comments are rather funny. SEO is what's described here. While I don't personally use a PBN, I use a mixture of offline and social media... I can say this is probably one of the best tips i've read in awhile. Thanks OP!
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  • Profile picture of the author mminhajuddin
    Good advice at all. Surely very helpful for every bloggers and webmasters.
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  • Profile picture of the author DonDavis
    Have you had any success building PBNs using all brand new domains?
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    • Profile picture of the author movemaker
      Originally Posted by DonDavis View Post

      Have you had any success building PBNs using all brand new domains?
      It is usually harder to rank brand new domains have they do not have an DA or PA.

      While PA and DA can but developed it does take time. Meaning if you are a bit on the patient side yes it can be done. With time and a proper budget you can use a new domain and get results.

      But in my world money loves speed and I'd rather spend a few dollars to get something that will give me and advantage in the serps.
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  • Profile picture of the author vietnamsvisa
    i should buy more domains than i buy more links. Is that right?
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  • Profile picture of the author dewalds86
    I keep on hearing about how many people are making money with blogs. Im seriously considering doing it my self and quit my day job.
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  • Should we work hard on creating PBN's of web 2.0 blogs? They free to create.
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  • Profile picture of the author arojilla
    Do PBNs still work?

    Back in my days as SEO I had a lot of fun with them. In this company I was working for I was in charge of one googlebomb. I made a script to auto-generate hundreds of blogs with thousands and thousands of posts. They were stored in a few hundred of expired domains we purchased the same day, most of them with some relevant keyword and some PR or already included in DMOZ or Yahoo!, hosted in a dozen of servers in different countries.

    By the end of the day we had more than 2 millions of keyword stuffed pages, every page with the keyword in the url, the title, the h1, in bold, in links, in images, alt texts... The text of the pages were random fragments of the Qujiote or scrapped random jokes from some sites. Images were also random. It didn't matter.

    All pages linked to a dozen of other relevant pages, but never two pages linked themselves. All links were always one way. We had a program to see link connections and it was beautiful star shaped mesh.

    Google fell for it. Now think about this: if you have 2 million pages and they get only one hit a day, that's still 2 million hits a day. It didn't worked this way though. Most of the pages never got a single hit, or just one or two every few days, but most of the pages were designed to pass PR to a selected few hundreds of pages. We managed to put some of these in the first search results for searches like free music or free porn and many others (but in spanish/Spain).

    One month after we started we were raking in around 200 000 visits a day, with a peak of near 500 000. Another month later Google killed the network. But in that time my boss made an insane amount of money. I got a nice bonus, but all this is what made me stop working for others and start working for me. In the end I failed, but that's another story.

    The most funny part was that while I was working on this googlebomb we had to meet several times Google's marketing director as we were also spending lots of money with adwords. Sometimes it was very hard to not laugh in front of him. He also visited our offices and everyone was like, you, come on, turn off your monitor!, and we were joking and laughing. It's not something I'm proud of, but I learnt a lot.

    But this was well like 12 or 13 years ago. And that's a lot of time in Internet. I've not been doing serious SEO since those times, just this or that at the personal level. Right after our googlbomb (not because of it, simply right after) Google changed a lot. What we did didn't work anymore. I know because we tried a few times more.

    Now, what I learned after that, and in the pasts years, is that search engines don't drive the traffic, it's the users. Create good content, and users will tell search engines your site is worth a visit. The time you spend building a network would be better spent in being valuable to users IMHO. People talk about, link to, and share valuable content, and they do it for free.

    Of course, if you can't be of value, either by yourself or with the help of others (contributions, paid articles, whatever) you are left with trying to game the system. Sometimes it works. Once it worked for me and my boss.
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      What if you could be of value and still create a PBN? Not one with tens of thousands of pages created in one day, of course, but a PBN nonetheless?

      It works.

      Originally Posted by arojilla View Post



      Of course, if you can't be of value, either by yourself or with the help of others (contributions, paid articles, whatever) you are left with trying to game the system. Sometimes it works. Once it worked for me and my boss.
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      • Profile picture of the author arojilla
        Originally Posted by DABK View Post

        What if you could be of value and still create a PBN? Not one with tens of thousands of pages created in one day, of course, but a PBN nonetheless?

        It works.
        It's just my opinion anyway, but to answer your question, well, yes, if there is value, there is value, so it doesn't matter if it's one blog or a dozen, and in fact, the network may be a huge benefit. It's simple augmentation. But as I said, as long as there is value.

        In other words, I was referring to the people that dream of creating networks, or sites or lists or whatever, in automated or semi automated and low effort ways while ignoring value to users. Sometimes it works, most of the times, in my experience, it doesn't. And it's something that if you pay attention, you see in these forums everyday.

        If I could go some years back, I wouldn't waste my time trying to game the system. Even what works, works only for a time. Building value, reputation, authority... That's were I'd put all my efforts. But it takes time and dedication.

        So yes, IMHO a BPN might work, but not because of just being a network, but because of the value of its single sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author movemaker
    The end goal of a PBN is to leverage it as a tool to help you get higher in the search engine.

    But as always with any tool if not used properly it can render useless. What good is a hammer to a man who is trying to dig a 100ft hole?

    Weather we like it or not mostly everything SEO's discuss here on the WF is not exactly "whitehat" in Googles eyes. And the reason for that is because we all know how long it takes to do it the "whitehat" way.

    Whatever tools you use your end goal is to make it look as natural as possible. If you can accomplish this you win.
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