# Formula to calculate the number of nofollow links needed to improve ranking

by irawr Banned
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Okay so we have to define some variables here.

CR = the number of links we have at our current rank
DR = the number of links our desired rank has
NL = the number of no follow links to improve our ranking
LV = the actual SEO link value of a nofollow link, which is a constant value that is equal to zero.

The formula is:

Code:
`NL=(DR - CR)*(1/LV)`
For example if our current rank is 9 and we have 150 links, and we want to get to position 8 and that site has 212 links, the difference is 62, so the calculation would be 62*(1/0)

Once you have attempt to do this calculation, then you will completely understand no-follow links. This formula has been known about since 2005.

Referenced: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nofollow

This concludes today's lesson in SEO math.
• this is nonsense. nofollow links have no effect on seo what so ever

also found this post you made earlier

 Originally Posted by irawr Those links are nofollow, no SEO value.

so whats the deal? why did you make this thread when you knew it was fasle?

I'm so confused...
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 Originally Posted by TotalWebsiteControl this is nonsense. nofollow links have no effect on seo what so ever Follow Links Vs. No Follow Links: What's the Difference? | WordStream also found this post you made earlier so whats the deal? why did you make this thread when you knew it was fasle? I'm so confused...
This thread is completely accurate, if you are confused, then I can only assume that you did not follow the instructions I provided.
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•  Originally Posted by irawr This thread is completely accurate, if you are confused, then I can only assume that you did not follow the instructions I provided.
There is no forumla to calculate nofollow value. It's not near 0 it IS 0. Therefore a formula is non existent.

What i'm trying to say is what lesson did we learn from this? It's like making a thread saying 0 + 0 = 0 but we already know this so we don't actually learn anything
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 Originally Posted by TotalWebsiteControl There is no forumla to calculate nofollow value. It's not near 0 it IS 0. Therefore a formula is non existent. A nofollow link tells the search engine to not follow that link.
Correct, that's explained. Oh no, the formula is completely accurate, it definitely exists. It's right there on the page and I assure you, it will consistently give you the correct answer, every time.
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 Originally Posted by akki0002 nofollow links has still value. Nofollow has indirect value. You can't do all backlinks as dofollow but in case any confusion anyone can contact me for SEO work or any web work ,even for social media marketing,
That's correct, you can calculate their exact value using the formula I provided in my post.

Edit: Edited out your ad since you're probably going to get banned.
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•  Originally Posted by TotalWebsiteControl There is no forumla to calculate nofollow value
But there is a formula - I see it in the OP! irawr has supplied variables, a formula and instructions. You can't argue with MATH! Additionally, have you seen irawr's avatar? You can't argue with a BIG MEAN BEAR! Part of me wants to thank irawr for this insight, but a part of me also is upset with him for creating a lot of additional work for me, as now I have to edit all the backlinks in my PBN to add rel="nofollow" to each to gain full effectiveness from the backlinks! Curse you, irawr!
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 Originally Posted by danparks But there is a formula - I see it in the OP! irawr has supplied variables, a formula and instructions. You can't argue with MATH! Additionally, have you seen irawr's avatar? You can't argue with a BIG MEAN BEAR!
I wouldn't suggest that Dan.
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• I think many are reading too deep and either not doing the math or do not know how to do the math. Seems like the formula works. Ask yourself, what is the answer to this hypothetical problem stated above.

Of course I may have completely misread the OP and their intentions.
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This should come in handy at the next moz whiteboard Friday.
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 Originally Posted by yukon This should come in handy at the next moz whiteboard Friday.
I would like to see this posted on se round table personally, it would give them something to talk about instead of rumors, gossip, and an analysis of what some guy said in a tweet. I wonder if Matt Cutts has his own SEO paparazzi that follows him around.
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• This is the best thread.
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Who told me this? An ex Google web spam engineer.

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• Desperately want to take advantage of the OP's nofollow formula, but work on the updating of all my PBN backlinks to include rel="nofollow" is proceeding slowly - I've got hundreds of sites in my PBN! I think it would make sense to either find a fiverr gig to do this for me, or else just deindex most of my PBN so I'll have less work to do.

Coincidently, I was just about to submit a disavow report to Google, and so I'm thinking that while I'm already self-reporting myself to Google, maybe at the same time I'll ask Google for their opinion on how I can best handle my PBN.
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• Some people are not that good at math, it seems. Let me help:
you multiply anything by 0, you get 0
you divide anything by 0, you get 0.

The formula provided requires division by 0, therefore, the answer will be 0, no matter what other numbers you input.

Personal opinion: if you can't divide something by 0 and get 0, don't do SEO: you're not qualified, you never will be.
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•  Originally Posted by DABK Some people are not that good at math, it seems. Let me help: you multiply anything by 0, you get 0 you divide anything by 0, you get 0. The formula provided requires division by 0, therefore, the answer will be 0, no matter what other numbers you input. Personal opinion: if you can't divide something by 0 and get 0, don't do SEO: you're not qualified, you never will be.
Actually... you cannot divide a number by zero, and the answer is certainly not zero.

15 divided by 0 is not 0 because that would mean that 0 * 0 = 15.
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• True.

So, there's 0 amount of nofollow backlinks that you need to get to get a boost in your SEO efforts.

 Originally Posted by MikeFriedman Actually... you cannot divide a number by zero, and the answer is certainly not zero. 15 divided by 0 is not 0 because that would mean that 0 * 0 = 15.
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•  Originally Posted by DABK True. So, there's 0 amount of nofollow backlinks that you need to get to get a boost in your SEO efforts.
Finally, an insightful, meaningful comment. This is VERY promising. If I can get 0 nofollow backlinks, I should have it made in the shade. Unfortunately a review of my backlinks shows that I do in fact have several nofollow backlinks, so now I need to turn my attention to disavowing all of those. I'm not sure how that reconciles with my plan to ADD nofollow to my existing backlinks (per OP's instructions), but I'll work out the details on that later!!
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 Originally Posted by danparks Finally, an insightful, meaningful comment. This is VERY promising. If I can get 0 nofollow backlinks, I should have it made in the shade. Unfortunately a review of my backlinks shows that I do in fact have several nofollow backlinks, so now I need to turn my attention to disavowing all of those. I'm not sure how that reconciles with my plan to ADD nofollow to my existing backlinks (per OP's instructions), but I'll work out the details on that later!!

Someone try this just for laughs.
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•  Originally Posted by yukon Ha, ha... that would be hilarous, disavow all the nofollow links. Someone try this just for laughs.
It seems like there are nay-sayers, doubters, and negative people in every crowd. Speaking of "laughs," just wait. When I disavow all my nofollow backlinks, and quickly jump to page 1 of the SERPs for ALL keywords (even "make money online" for my site that promotes locksmiths), then we'll see who gets the last laugh!!
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 Originally Posted by danparks Finally, an insightful, meaningful comment. This is VERY promising. If I can get 0 nofollow backlinks, I should have it made in the shade. Unfortunately a review of my backlinks shows that I do in fact have several nofollow backlinks, so now I need to turn my attention to disavowing all of those. I'm not sure how that reconciles with my plan to ADD nofollow to my existing backlinks (per OP's instructions), but I'll work out the details on that later!!
No, if you got 0 then your calculator might be broken so I would suggest finding a different one.

But as somebody else suggested, if you add any followed links you have to the disavow tool in google web master tools, that effectively turns the links into nofollow links in regards to google rankings. There's some debate on various sites about if that's actually how it works, but from experience it seems so.

So if you want to effectively turn all your followed links into nofollow ones without bothering to actually screw around editing code and wasting a massive amount of time with that. Just take all your followed links from authority sites, link directories, private blog networks, any natural links, social media, I mean whatever you want here really and just add all of them to the disavow tool.
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• Google does not count them in a positive way.

So when doing any calculation, you would get zero,
or a negative number.

In a perfect world, the calculation would always be zero.
It should have a zero effect. But people spam.

And yes, google will take action on spammers.

in the same pattern as known spammed pages,
B I N G O.

effect on SERPs, is a fool. End of story.

Sure.....nofollow will help.....signalling you as a spammer!

This of course has zip to do with social media crapola.

They are nofollow by design. Different animal. However,
they do not help in SEO, but probably would never
have a negative value.

Bear's repeating. (pun intended)
effect on SERPs, is a fool. End of story.

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 Originally Posted by paulgl So when doing any calculation, you would get zero, or a negative number.
If you get a negative number you really messed something up in the formula.
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•  Originally Posted by irawr If you get a negative number you really messed something up in the formula.
Not to mention that in reality, there is no such thing as a "negative" number. Yeah, okay, I don't have two legs, I have *negative* two legs. Like that's possible! Duh.
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 Originally Posted by danparks Not to mention that in reality, there is no such thing as a "negative" number. Yeah, okay, I don't have two legs, I have *negative* two legs. Like that's possible! Duh.
Actually some mathematical systems do not use them. Which to be completely fair about this, is way less confusing. Since negative numbers are just indicating directionality, you can just represent everything in positive vectors and then things can go in any direction they want. I think there was some guy in the SEO section babbling about how I wouldn't be able to understand google rankings without understanding multidimensional mathematics. So I looked into this and here's how it works.

It turn's out, he's right, this is what people don't understand about the google algorythm. Okay so, google is multidimensional, so your ranks can not only go up or down, but they can also go any other direction. Your rank is traversing through an array of different dimensions, because google is multidimensional, obviously.

This is an important concept to understand when building nofollow links. Even thought you might not see your rank go up or down, that doesn't mean it's not moving in some other direction.
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•  Originally Posted by danparks Not to mention that in reality, there is no such thing as a "negative" number. Yeah, okay, I don't have two legs, I have *negative* two legs. Like that's possible! Duh.
I retired from being a college lecturer in math.

Dividing by zero is undefined. It does not mean it does not exist, per se,
but the powers that be have made no definition.

1/x as x approaches zero tends to infinity.

Negative numbers do exist and are quite useful, actually.

There are imaginary numbers, or complex numbers.

Even real numbers are a subset of complex numbers, because
the imaginary part can have a coefficient of zero.

a + bi, where "a" is the real part, b is the coefficient on
i, which is the square root of negative one, the imaginary part.

Oh and by the way, negative numbers are a subset of real numbers.

And those imaginary numbers? They are quite useful in electrical
calculations.

Paul
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 Originally Posted by paulgl I retired from being a college lecturer in math. Dividing by zero is undefined. It does not mean it does not exist, per se, but the powers that be have made no definition. 1/x as x approaches zero tends to infinity. Negative numbers do exist and are quite useful, actually. There are imaginary numbers, or complex numbers. Even real numbers are a subset of complex numbers, because the imaginary part can have a coefficient of zero. a + bi, where "a" is the real part, b is the coefficient on i, which is the square root of negative one, the imaginary part. Oh and by the way, negative numbers are a subset of real numbers. And those imaginary numbers? They are quite useful in electrical calculations. Paul
Look Paul. Google has somewhere between 1,500 and 2,000 PHDs working for them. That's what they do, they take something undefined, and they make it defined. It's like a black hole, where does the matter go? Nobody knows.

That's how this formula works, the nofollow links go into the black hole and then get condensed into hyper dense matter. That's what makes your rankings move multidimensionally in the SERP.
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•  Originally Posted by paulgl Anyone who even thinks nofollow links have a positive effect on SERPs, is a fool. End of story.
"End of story"? You apparently have not followed this thread, and the impeccable, irrefutable FACTS that it contains. After I simultaneously disavow all nofollow backlinks, and add rel="nofollow" to my existing PBN backlinks, and then DOMINATE the SERPs, you will be BEGGING me to do SEO for you, based on my success!!!! (Please note the multiple exclamation marks, so you KNOW what I say must be TRUE).
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• NL=(DR - CR)*LV
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 Originally Posted by footfoot NL=(DR - CR)*LV
Incorrect. This modification will consistently result in the wrong answer.
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•  Originally Posted by irawr Incorrect. This modification will consistently result in the wrong answer.
yours is 1/0 which is impossible. I fixed it for you.
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•  Originally Posted by footfoot yours is 1/0 which is impossible. I fixed it for you.
Not so fast there my friend. There is a web page titled "Theoretically, It is possible to Divide by Zero." It's right here (if I'm allowed to post a link):

Debate Issue: Theoretically, It is possible to Divide by Zero | Debate.org

Acknowledging that divide by zero is possible might seem non-obvious, and somewhat strange. But if we take the leap and accept that it might just be so, and then we further apply it to basic principles of SEO, who knows where it could lead as far as gaining first page rankings in Google?
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 Originally Posted by footfoot yours is 1/0 which is impossible. I fixed it for you.
Oh no, the formula was correct the first time. As explained in the thread (in detail, granted it's very complicated) google is multidimensional.

I actually found the guy who helped me figure this all out!

 Originally Posted by designandplace no follow is still counted in the google algo, just in a different way, you simply do not understand multi dimensional calculations. WAKE UP yourself
He's right! I did exactly what he told me to do! I drank a pot of coffee, speed read 5 books on multi dimensional calculations and came up with the formula! It's just like that episode in Star Trek when Captain Picard has to shoot the tractor beam at the same time, but at 3 different times, all at the same time, to stop a time vortex. At least I think that's how the episode went, I haven't seen it in about a decade.
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• It's not gonna work. It's not gonna work. You didn't use Fiverr. Why didn't you use Fiverr? Well, it's all on you now. You'll have to live with it for the rest of your life.

Oh, the inhumanity!

 Originally Posted by yukon We've outsourced the lowest bidder phone operators on standby to talk them down off the roof. The budget is \$5, after that they're on their own.
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•  Originally Posted by yukon We've outsourced the lowest bidder phone operators on standby to talk them down off the roof. The budget is \$5, after that they're on their own.
haha always making me laugh.
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•  Originally Posted by irawr It turn's out, he's right, this is what people don't understand about the google algorythm. Okay so, google is multidimensional, so your ranks can not only go up or down, but they can also go any other direction. Your rank is traversing through an array of different dimensions, because google is multidimensional, obviously.
Thank you for this post. Before you posted this, I did respect some of what you said before, but admittedly I was somewhat apprehensive as to whether I should listen to everything you say. Now I'm on board. I assume you're in the U.S., so I then also assume you've seen TV shows like "The Outer Limits" and "The Twilight Zone." Episodes from those series have made it empirically clear that there is truth to multidimensional theories. Google has *thousands* of brilliant engineers on staff. Why wouldn't they know about multidimensional factors, and how those aspect play into search engine rankings?
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• Well atleast some people here know what they're talking about.
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