Google Search Quality Team Members Take Bribes???

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Do you think that Google search quality team members get bribed? Why when I approached Google web spam team and ask them why Phentermine.com | the OFFICIAL site for phentermine diet pills shows up in top of Google search results for thousands of keywords, when this site is nothing but a spam. Linking to their own sites, such as Phen - The Official Alternative To Phentermine | Phen.com or Where-to-buy-Phentermine - I was told by Google web spam team "at this time we are not taking any actions against phentermine.com" - I have email to prove that. When Google web spam team takes much more harsh actions on sites that break rules a lot less. Do Google web spam team covering something? Do they get bribed by phentermine.com? This is ridiculous. phentermine.com is doing everything against Google rules. Can someone explain what's going on?
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  • Profile picture of the author decadude
    tell me about it I have filed multiple complaints against a competitor cheating doing map spam. all of their 13 address are UPS store locations and they dominate the search listings in each market. Why bc they are cheating and what does google do nothing.

    So if you can't beat em join em, lol
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  • Profile picture of the author theexpert101
    I find it extremely stupid. You have to be perfect "white hat", do this, do that, no spam, no black hat, no nothing.... but when you look at this... you go wtf??? What really Google is all about??? Do they get paid under the table to close their eyes on spam or something of that nature.... This is ridiculous. Friends and family type of business as I can see...
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Originally Posted by theexpert101 View Post

    Do you think that Google search quality team members get bribed? Why when I approached Google web spam team and ask them why Phentermine.com | the OFFICIAL site for phentermine diet pills shows up in top of Google search results for thousands of keywords, when this site is nothing but a spam. Linking to their own sites, such as Phen - The Official Alternative To Phentermine | Phen.com or Where-to-buy-Phentermine - I was told by Google web spam team "at this time we are not taking any actions against phentermine.com" - I have email to prove that. When Google web spam team takes much more harsh actions on sites that break rules a lot less. Do Google web spam team covering something? Do they get bribed by phentermine.com? This is ridiculous. phentermine.com is doing everything against Google rules. Can someone explain what's going on?

    What is spammy about that site? Linking to your own sites is not spam.
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  • Profile picture of the author theexpert101
    Got Beer, is this how you troll? People get banned from Google for passing juice from their own sites around... Are you kidding or you trying to troll, seriously....
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by theexpert101 View Post

      Got Beer, is this how you troll? People get banned from Google for passing juice from their own sites around... Are you kidding or you trying to troll, seriously....
      I am not trolling.

      Google does not just hand out bans for linking to your own properties.

      Amazon does it. Microsoft does it.

      Hell, the Warrior Forum does it. They link to Freelancer and vice versa.
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      Originally Posted by theexpert101 View Post

      Got Beer, is this how you troll? People get banned from Google for passing juice from their own sites around... Are you kidding or you trying to troll, seriously....
      Have you ever visited amazon? Guess not. They, as every other big web
      conglomerate, links all their sites together.

      I do the same thing. I am no fool, as I follow the big boys.

      The troll is you.

      Psssst: Visit amazon.com, scroll all the way to the bottom.
      They own a Brazilian number of sites. They do that on
      all virtually all pages. Repeat: As every other big site.

      They'd be trolls...er...fools not to.

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      • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
        Originally Posted by niksto82 View Post

        In my honest opinion, I think that irawr is a spammer because he has a bear for a picture and bears are scary (ask Leonardo) while Mike is the best SEO guy on this forum because he has beer and beer is yummy.
        Wow. I didn't think that you could get that from forum avatars. I mean, irawr has said that he's done some spammy link building (or something) in the past. Mike is clearly pretty good.

        Originally Posted by theexpert101 View Post

        Passing link juice between your own domains is on the same level and it is spam. By Google ignoring it makes me think that Google web spam team gets bribes to look other way.
        No, it is not. If you interlink a handful of your own sites that should be ok. Purchasing a bunch of domains and/or building a bunch of spammy websites for the sole purpose of ranking a money isn't ok. Notice the difference? Link schemes are totally different from links that serve a purpose such as in this case. Heck, they might even have a valid technical reason to have the webshop under a different domain.

        In my opinion interlinking your web properties should not be a problem even if the links are passing juice. It's also likely that Google can see if a bunch of legitimate sites belong to the same owner, and devalue the links if they see a need to do so.
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        • Profile picture of the author irawr
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          Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

          In my opinion interlinking your web properties should not be a problem even if the links are passing juice. It's also likely that Google can see if a bunch of legitimate sites belong to the same owner, and devalue the links if they see a need to do so.
          From observation and experience, if you have a popular site and spread the authority around, Google doesn't seem to care. Just don't cross link all of your sites, I'm pretty sure Google algorithmically devalues them since they appear to be reciprocal. Many networks used to do that, where they would list every site in the network on every site, obviously nobody does that anymore.

          Spreading authority is fine but it's typically the opposite link structure that's problematic. So if they find evidence of tiered link building or some other "link scheme" they will usually try to find some BS excuse to manually penalize the site since it's typically hard to prove you actually did it. But the links the site has are not really warranted, judging by the quality of the content. I hope this helps some people avoid problems and explains why some sites seem to get away with some BS, basically there's not enough questionable links to establish a pattern and the quality of the site is high enough to believe the links are "natural."

          Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

          Wow. I didn't think that you could get that from forum avatars. I mean, irawr has said that he's done some spammy link building (or something) in the past.
          I learned from my mistakes. Life moves too fast to build short term businesses.
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  • Profile picture of the author theexpert101
    I am telling you, there nothing innocent about this site and the fact that Google allows this site to do what they do and ban others for a lot less is ridiculous.... To me, it is nothing but bribing Google people. You can't explain it any other way.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by theexpert101 View Post

      I am telling you, there nothing innocent about this site and the fact that Google allows this site to do what they do and ban others for a lot less is ridiculous.... To me, it is nothing but bribing Google people. You can't explain it any other way.

      You still have not pointed out anything that is wrong with this site. Linking to other sites you own is not against Google's rules.

      Just glancing through the content, it looks pretty well written. There is tons of information for someone interested in Phentermine. They even have a forum that looks like it is fairly well moderated. This is not just a junky site thrown together by an affiliate.

      Hell I wrote a training guide about doing exactly what they are doing. Build a great money site and support it with satellite sites to dominate sub-niches in the market space.
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  • Profile picture of the author niksto82
    When I was a kid, me and my friends played Pro Evolution Soccer all day long. My best friend would take Udinese while I would take Milan. He was constantly beating me, even though he had worse team. Because of this, I would call him out for cheating at least once a week. But the matter of fact is that he was simply better. As someone who was working within this niche, I can tell that this website is pretty solid. Its blog is much more interesting than WebMD or Mayo Clinic.
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      I, too, have to ask: what's spammy about that site?

      To all people who call others trolls: people are not trolling just because someone doesn't agree with your point of view. Make a mental note of this, please.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim3
    OP, sounds like you have been G-slapped.

    ...and pardon me for asking, why did you link to those sites with full descriptive anchor text when a plain home URL would have sufficed?
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by Tim3 View Post

      OP, sounds like you have been G-slapped.

      ...and pardon me for asking, why did you link to those sites with full descriptive anchor text when a plain home URL would have sufficed?
      He didn't do that. When you enter in a full URL, Warrior Form converts the anchor text to the title tag of that page.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tim3
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        He didn't do that. When you enter in a full URL, Warrior Form converts the anchor text to the title tag of that page.
        Ah, I didn't know that, thanks Mike.

        My apologies OP
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  • Profile picture of the author Divo
    No bribing going on...it's all about their traffic.
    Google allows sites to stay up when the site provides the answers people are searching for.
    Clearly, people are using this site a lot...they rank at 64,337 in the U.S. and have 957 sites linking in.


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    • Profile picture of the author theexpert101
      Originally Posted by Divo View Post

      No bribing going on...it's all about their traffic.
      Google allows sites to stay up when the site provides the answers people are searching for.
      Clearly, people are using this site a lot...they rank at 64,337 in the U.S. and have 957 sites linking in.


      So when you get to that level - f** it... All rules are off the table??? What about others? This allows sites like that to monopolize the market for particular keyword. Monopoly is illegal. Google provides the environment for monopoly. It's against every single rule, law and rules set by Google. Double standards...
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      • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
        Originally Posted by theexpert101 View Post

        So when you get to that level - f** it... All rules are off the table??? What about others? This allows sites like that to monopolize the market for particular keyword. Monopoly is illegal. Google provides the environment for monopoly. It's against every single rule, law and rules set by Google. Double standards...
        Me thinks you need to got back to school and learn about what a "monopoly" is.
        HINT: its not what you think it is and Google ain't remotely close to being one.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by theexpert101 View Post

        So when you get to that level - f** it... All rules are off the table??? What about others? This allows sites like that to monopolize the market for particular keyword. Monopoly is illegal. Google provides the environment for monopoly. It's against every single rule, law and rules set by Google. Double standards...
        What rules are being broken? You still have not pointed out a single one.

        And it's not a monopoly. A monopoly is when consumers have no other choices. That website is not the only ones selling that product or related products. There are plenty of other choices out there.

        Being far better at marketing than your competitors does not mean you have created a monopoly.

        This allows sites like that to monopolize the market for particular keyword
        I think the word you were looking for is 'dominate' not monopolize. And yes, they are dominating the search market, but there is nothing illegal, unethical, or wrong with that.
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        • Profile picture of the author theexpert101
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          What rules are being broken? You still have not pointed out a single one.

          And it's not a monopoly. A monopoly is when consumers have no other choices. That website is not the only ones selling that product or related products. There are plenty of other choices out there.

          Being far better at marketing than your competitors does not mean you have created a monopoly.



          I think the word you were looking for is 'dominate' not monopolize. And yes, they are dominating the search market, but there is nothing illegal, unethical, or wrong with that.

          So linking your own domains and passing juice to monopolize even more across your own URLs is OK. I have seen many videos by Mad Cutz saying the opposite and specifically using the word "BANNED" in this case...
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by theexpert101 View Post

            So linking your own domains and passing juice to monopolize even more across your own URLs is OK. I have seen many videos by Mad Cutz saying the opposite and specifically using the word "BANNED" in this case...
            Yes it's ok. Linking together related properties that you own is not a link scheme. It's smart business.

            Google has a problem with link schemes designed specifically to pass on PR. For example, setting up a network of old domains and throwing together some blogs to link off of them with highly specific anchor text would be considered a link scheme..
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  • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
    I too see no reason why Google would want to penalize the site in question for.
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  • Profile picture of the author theexpert101
    Wait a second, you are contradicting yourself. You say Yes, its OK and after that you are saying that link schemes to pass PR is not OK. Phentermine.com is a link scheme, designed to pass PR between sites that belong to one entity. I understand if you are linking your own sites where you post "nofollow" links from one site to another, that's fine, but when you have big authority site and create another, fresh site that targets exact same keywords and create dofollow links to it purposely to pass link juice to it, to take over position 1 and 2 for the keyword, this is spam...
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by theexpert101 View Post

      Wait a second, you are contradicting yourself. You say Yes, its OK and after that you are saying that link schemes to pass PR is not OK. Phentermine.com is a link scheme, designed to pass PR between sites that belong to one entity. I understand if you are linking your own sites where you post "nofollow" links from one site to another, that's fine, but when you have big authority site and create another, fresh site that targets exact same keywords and create dofollow links to it purposely to pass link juice to it, to take over position 1 and 2 for the keyword, this is spam...
      I'm sorry that you do not understand this, but this is not spam. I did not contradict myself. Linking sites together that you own is not against Google's policies.

      Spam would be if I bought an expired domain, started some crappy blog, and tossed in a bunch of links using anchor text like "buy cheap Phentermine online".

      What they are doing is not spam. They built legitimate, worthwhile sites that link to eachother in a useful and intelligent way.

      Tons of businesses are doing this.

      And here, since you brought up Matt Cutts' name, this is what he actually has to say about the subject.


      When it comes to linking your own sites together he says, "it makes perfect sense to link them together."
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      • Profile picture of the author theexpert101
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        I'm sorry that you do not understand this, but this is not spam. I did not contradict myself. Linking sites together that you own is not against Google's policies.

        Spam would be if I bought an expired domain, started some crappy blog, and tossed in a bunch of links using anchor text like "buy cheap Phentermine online".

        What they are doing is not spam. They built legitimate, worthwhile sites that link to eachother in a useful and intelligent way.

        Tons of businesses are doing this.

        And here, since you brought up Matt Cutts' name, this is what he actually has to say about the subject.

        Does linking my two sites together violate the quality guidelines? - YouTube

        When it comes to linking your own sites together he says, "it makes perfect sense to link them together."

        CRAP ITS SO CONFUSING AND ONE MESSAGE FROM MAD CUTZ CONTRADICTS ANOTHER, I FREAKING QUIT WHITE HAT SEO.... BLACK HAT FOR ME....
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  • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
    So is what Amazon.com does in the foot of all its sites spam?
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  • Profile picture of the author irawr
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    Originally Posted by theexpert101 View Post

    Can someone explain what's going on?
    Yes. I will explain.

    You are concerned about somebody's site that is not yours.

    This thread is very childish, you are attacking someone's website (and accusing them of bribery?) because you don't like it and you don't understand the rules.

    Grow the hell up.

    Edit: And learn what the word "spam" means.
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    • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
      Bitch slap. That's whats going on. Why? Because of the immature behavior that irawr pointed out. And the ludicrous conspiracy theory.

      Originally Posted by theexpert101 View Post

      So when you get to that level - f** it... All rules are off the table??? What about others? This allows sites like that to monopolize the market for particular keyword. Monopoly is illegal. Google provides the environment for monopoly. It's against every single rule, law and rules set by Google. Double standards...
      What rules? Which laws? You're basically just moaning because Google didn't consult you before ranking your competitor, aren't you?

      As others have said you don't seem to understand what "monopoly" even means. I guess it's a common way to complain about competition doing better than you, but that's what makes it so painfully stupid. If you have no argument you should drop the accusatory tone on a public forum, and maybe complain to your chums over a beer or something.
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  • Profile picture of the author niksto82
    In my honest opinion, I think that irawr is a spammer because he has a bear for a picture and bears are scary (ask Leonardo) while Mike is the best SEO guy on this forum because he has beer and beer is yummy. I will need to contact Google and air my grievances.
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  • We can solve this issue right now with our brains. OK you guys ready?? Ok let us begin!

    So to start off let us talk about amazon.com BIG COMPANY right? Yeah they have authority like nobodys business! Google loves them! (heck, i like them) So what is the deal with amazon?

    Let us check their website out

    amazon . com


    ok now lets SCROLL on down to the bottom!





    do you see all these sites that are listed at the bottom of amazon? These are all websites that are OWNED by amazon.com. Imagine that? A business linking to other websites that are OWNED by the same company. You can clearly see that amazon is linking to their other small sites. Should amazon be punished for this? OF COURSE NOT!! This is just smart business practice.

    i dunno how i can explain this any further. i hope i shouldn't have to!

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author theexpert101
      Originally Posted by TotalWebsiteControl View Post

      We can solve this issue right now with our brains. OK you guys ready?? Ok let us begin!

      So to start off let us talk about amazon.com BIG COMPANY right? Yeah they have authority like nobodys business! Google loves them! (heck, i like them) So what is the deal with amazon?

      Let us check their website out

      amazon . com


      ok now lets SCROLL on down to the bottom!






      do you see all these sites that are listed at the bottom of amazon? These are all websites that are OWNED by amazon.com. Imagine that? A business linking to other websites that are OWNED by the same company. You can clearly see that amazon is linking to their other small sites. Should amazon be punished for this? OF COURSE NOT!! This is just smart business practice.

      i dunno how i can explain this any further. i hope i shouldn't have to!

      Thanks


      If that's the case, how do you explain this:

      Google's Matt Cutts: Linking 20 Domains Together Likely A "Cross Linking Scheme"

      https://www.youtube.com/embed/JzaimchdNpM
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        And nowhere in that video does he describe what Amazon is doing or the site you listed as a problem.

        Again, watch the video I posted. The answer is right there.

        Look, if the Phentermine site was linking to 20 other domains in the footer and they were all sites like buy-cheap-phentermine-diet-pills .com, you might have an argument.

        They are linking to TWO other sites, not 20, 15, or even 10.

        For all you know, they may not have originally owned those sites. As they have grown, they might have acquired those sites from competitors, and if they did, why wouldn't they and why shouldn't they link to them?

        The fact that this thread has been up for about 3 days now and not a single person has come down on your side, might be a hint that you are thinking about this all wrong.
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      • Profile picture of the author irawr
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        Sure: You don't know what cross linking means. The parent site links to the child sites, there's no cross linking.

        Originally Posted by theexpert101 View Post

        Well I don't think you are interpreting it properly. Mad Cuts says "nofollow" or spam between your own domains... So hypothetically speaking that passing link juice between your own sites is OK, what's the difference between doing it this way and paid links? Passing link juice between your own domains is on the same level and it is spam. By Google ignoring it makes me think that Google web spam team gets bribes to look other way.
        Nofollow links are not necessarily spam... I have plenty of nofollow links on some of my sites, they're not spam at all. You don't understand what a nofollow link does. All it does, is indicate to search engines that they should not factor it in to their ranking. That's it, the end.

        Google doesn't care if you buy links either, do you think they are the gestapo or something? So wait, you can't buy advertising for your sites unless it's through Google? (Edit: The EU would have a complete sh!t-fit if it worked like that.) The difference here is the INTENTION of the links and I think that's a big concept you are missing here. If the intention is to manipulate a site's rank in Google and you buy a bunch of links with your target keyword as the anchor text, then sure, you could get into trouble.

        The reason you think they take bribes is because you have absolutely no idea what is going on.

        Spam: The use of unwanted messages (typically automated) to market an entity. The links you are calling spam are on their own sites, linking to their own sites. I'm pretty sure they want the links there... To me the links look more like an advertisement to buy the product the site is about. So do you think the SEO cops are going to come through your windows and arrest your website for having an advertisement on it? Come on... Also footer links don't really pass as much authority as you think they do. You're acting like those footer links are some kind of magic rank hack and they most certainly are not.

        Note: you are suppose to nofollow advertisement links, but again there's no law that says your website is going to get 30 years to life because you didn't nofollow an affiliate link.

        Originally Posted by theexpert101 View Post

        CRAP ITS SO CONFUSING AND ONE MESSAGE FROM MAD CUTZ CONTRADICTS ANOTHER, I FREAKING QUIT WHITE HAT SEO.... BLACK HAT FOR ME....
        That's up to you but either way I highly suggest you figure out what you're talking about before you do anything else.
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  • Profile picture of the author dave_hermansen
    I used to wonder a lot about Google and how they could ignore taking actions, at least against the sites that are being reported and obviously cheating. Sometimes Google does come down on them, though. Sometimes they come down way too hard on sites with little, unintentional problems. Personally, I think it's unlikely that Google team members take bribes, but I wouldn't be surprised to find out that it happens.
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  • Profile picture of the author theexpert101
    Well I don't think you are interpreting it properly. Mad Cuts says "nofollow" or spam between your own domains... So hypothetically speaking that passing link juice between your own sites is OK, what's the difference between doing it this way and paid links? Passing link juice between your own domains is on the same level and it is spam. By Google ignoring it makes me think that Google web spam team gets bribes to look other way.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by theexpert101 View Post

      Well I don't think you are interpreting it properly. Mad Cuts says "nofollow" or spam between your own domains... So hypothetically speaking that passing link juice between your own sites is OK, what's the difference between doing it this way and paid links? Passing link juice between your own domains is on the same level and it is spam. By Google ignoring it makes me think that Google web spam team gets bribes to look other way.
      Because passing link juice between two sites that you own IS NOT SPAM.

      Also, Google does not have a problem with paid links per se. That is a common misconception. It is a little more complicated than that.
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  • Profile picture of the author deepakjha818
    I don't think they are taking any kind of bribe or something from others, I would suggest you to contact Matt Cutts on Twitter and update him about the website because I have seen that many other people do the same if they found anything like this in google search.
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    • Originally Posted by deepakjha818 View Post

      I don't think they are taking any kind of bribe or something from others, I would suggest you to contact Matt Cutts on Twitter and update him about the website because I have seen that many other people do the same if they found anything like this in google search.
      Of course you see this often. It is not considered black hat or against googles terms of service. If it was do you think big companies like amazon would be doing it? HELLO!
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  • Profile picture of the author theexpert101
    All I know is I got penalized from Google web spam team for nothing, twice, doing similar linking of my own sites and few links. I did not manipulate sh**t... I lost my cars, house and my staff, people with families got fired. Why - because some idiot felt that way in Google web spam team. They used my site, actually all of my sites as an example. F** them all. I freaking hate Google and people who work there - snobby morons. I lost 2M a year business because some a**hole felt like it... Ask me if I will ever do anything with white hat, ever again....
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    • Profile picture of the author cbpayne
      Originally Posted by theexpert101 View Post

      All I know is I got penalized from Google web spam team for nothing, twice, doing similar linking of my own sites and few links. I did not manipulate sh**t... I lost my cars, house and my staff, people with families got fired. Why - because some idiot felt that way in Google web spam team. They used my site, actually all of my sites as an example. F** them all. I freaking hate Google and people who work there - snobby morons. I lost 2M a year business because some a**hole felt like it... Ask me if I will ever do anything with white hat, ever again....
      Somehow I find it hard to beleive you. I think there is more to this story that you are not telling.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim3
      Originally Posted by theexpert101 View Post

      All I know is I got penalized from Google web spam team for nothing, twice, doing similar linking of my own sites and few links. I did not manipulate sh**t... I lost my cars, house and my staff, people with families got fired. Why - because some idiot felt that way in Google web spam team. They used my site, actually all of my sites as an example. F** them all. I freaking hate Google and people who work there - snobby morons. I lost 2M a year business because some a**hole felt like it... Ask me if I will ever do anything with white hat, ever again....

      So I was right, you got slapped by Big G?


      I see that phentermine.com has at least 105,206 backlinks...
      from...
      1,320 referring domains
      1,218 Referring IPs
      1,034 Referring Subnets
      and over 1.1 million links in the Maj historic index

      does your site come anywhere near those figures?

      They are also outranking some extremely heavy hitters with the exact .com

      Drugs.com | Prescription Drug Information, Interactions & Side Effects
      wikipedia.org
      webmd.com
      www.nlm.nih.gov
      rxlist.com
      www.medicinenet.com
      everydayhealth.com

      I also note that phentermine.net is on page 1


      Pharma is spam heaven right?

      It's obvious the sites registered first with the emd will be the com/net/org,
      and with the right SEO these will rank well, and even outrank the big dogs.

      There is no way a spam site would ever stay ahead of those big Med sites for very long. so the folks running this site know exactly what they doing, and they are not bunging anyone at Big G.

      So, maybe if you reported them for spam, Big G gave them a manual review and the reviewer thought... "Wow this is a great site that tells me everything about phentermine, I will mark it as High Quality"... and note Big G has very high Page Quality rating standards for health/drugs sites, so if it's a crap site or untrustworthy it is not going to rank for anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author theexpert101
    Yeah I guess you can only speculate... I've been making millions and $2M that was just one of the years out of few. Google killed me at the pick, when I was making close to $10K per day. How do you think I feel about them? Now tell me if they are not bribed. Can you prove that phentermine.com and Google spam people are not doing it together... They are WAY to strong on every single position, dropping small change to other sites.... I am out of this stupid business and I can care less, but what I see, I have eyes and I know SEO, makes me think that way. There someone at Google pushing the "GO" button for the phentermine.com. It's so freaking obvious...

    By the way this shit keeps happening to my sites. Any time I get close to compete with Phentermine.com something happening. Last time suddenly Google started displaying my site as "hacked". After I fixed it, my meta description and title never showed up. At first it was showing up with one keyword in the title and "cgi bin" below. I switched platforms, firewalls, hosing, DNS, you name it, for 3 months it was displaying this shit. NOBODY was able to explain what's going on. I asked MANY people and GOOGLE people as well. Nobody was able to explain it.

    Oh you know what else. My firewall provider - Sucuri sent me a message saying that 66.249 Ips are doing hacking...

    Now explain to me how they are not bribed?
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    • Profile picture of the author irawr
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      Originally Posted by theexpert101 View Post

      Yeah I guess you can only speculate... I've been making millions and $2M that was just one of the years out of few. Google killed me at the pick, when I was making close to $10K per day. How do you think I feel about them? Now tell me if they are not bribed. Can you prove that phentermine.com and Google spam people are not doing it together... They are WAY to strong on every single position, dropping small change to other sites.... I am out of this stupid business and I can care less, but what I see, I have eyes and I know SEO, makes me think that way. There someone at Google pushing the "GO" button for the phentermine.com. It's so freaking obvious...

      By the way this shit keeps happening to my sites. Any time I get close to compete with Phentermine.com something happening. Last time suddenly Google started displaying my site as "hacked". After I fixed it, my meta description and title never showed up. At first it was showing up with one keyword in the title and "cgi bin" below. I switched platforms, firewalls, hosing, DNS, you name it, for 3 months it was displaying this shit. NOBODY was able to explain what's going on. I asked MANY people and GOOGLE people as well. Nobody was able to explain it.

      Oh you know what else. My firewall provider - Sucuri sent me a message saying that 66.249 Ips are doing hacking...

      Now explain to me how they are not bribed?
      Was it your own product or an affiliate program?
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    • Originally Posted by theexpert101 View Post

      Yeah I guess you can only speculate... I've been making millions and $2M that was just one of the years out of few. Google killed me at the pick, when I was making close to $10K per day. How do you think I feel about them? Now tell me if they are not bribed. Can you prove that phentermine.com and Google spam people are not doing it together... They are WAY to strong on every single position, dropping small change to other sites.... I am out of this stupid business and I can care less, but what I see, I have eyes and I know SEO, makes me think that way. There someone at Google pushing the "GO" button for the phentermine.com. It's so freaking obvious...

      By the way this shit keeps happening to my sites. Any time I get close to compete with Phentermine.com something happening. Last time suddenly Google started displaying my site as "hacked". After I fixed it, my meta description and title never showed up. At first it was showing up with one keyword in the title and "cgi bin" below. I switched platforms, firewalls, hosing, DNS, you name it, for 3 months it was displaying this shit. NOBODY was able to explain what's going on. I asked MANY people and GOOGLE people as well. Nobody was able to explain it.

      Oh you know what else. My firewall provider - Sucuri sent me a message saying that 66.249 Ips are doing hacking...

      Now explain to me how they are not bribed?
      You know how insane this sounds right? Look..... Google is a very..VERY RICH COMPANY $367.6 billion dollar NETWORTH. Why on planet earth would they risk EVERYTHING and take a very, VERY SMALL bribe from Phentermine??? What ever Phentermine makes in a year google will make in a DAY. And if you think someone who codes the search engine would actually risk their reputation/job on a bribe then you are lost my friend. If we actually think logically about this.... just think for a little bit.. Do you honestly believe that Google is taking bribes? Well lets get more specific, It wouldn't be like the owners of Google but a worker who has access to certain files on their SECURED AND HIGHLY MONITORED SERVERS.

      This thread is ridiculous. I am now using my last method to end this crazy debate. I summon you Yukon!
      Please help this guy out and spread some logic.

      Thanks and sorry if i came off rude or negative. I just think this thread shouldn't exist.
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      • Profile picture of the author theexpert101
        Originally Posted by TotalWebsiteControl View Post

        You know how insane this sounds right? Look..... Google is a very..VERY RICH COMPANY $367.6 billion dollar NETWORTH. Why on planet earth would they risk EVERYTHING and take a very, VERY SMALL bribe from Phentermine??? What ever Phentermine makes in a year google will make in a DAY. And if you think someone who codes the search engine would actually risk their reputation/job on a bribe then you are lost my friend. If we actually think logically about this.... just think for a little bit.. Do you honestly believe that Google is taking bribes? Well lets get more specific, It wouldn't be like the owners of Google but a worker who has access to certain files on their SECURED AND HIGHLY MONITORED SERVERS.

        This thread is ridiculous. I am now using my last method to end this crazy debate. I summon you Yukon!
        Please help this guy out and spread some logic.

        Thanks and sorry if i came off rude or negative. I just think this thread shouldn't exist.

        I am talking about little "fleas" who work at web spam team... Not Google
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        • Originally Posted by theexpert101 View Post

          I am talking about little "fleas" who work at web spam team... Not Google
          fleas? those "fleas" who work on the "web spam" make a LOT of money. They wouldn't risk losing their jobs over something like this.. And even if they wanted to they have superiors who monitor what they do and it's all data logged. It doesn't seem likely or probable that any bribes are going on @ google.
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          • Profile picture of the author irawr
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            Originally Posted by TotalWebsiteControl View Post

            fleas? those "fleas" who work on the "web spam" make a LOT of money. They wouldn't risk losing their jobs over something like this.. And even if they wanted to they have superiors who monitor what they do and it's all data logged. It doesn't seem likely or probable that any bribes are going on @ google.
            I'm willing to bet this person was promoting affiliate products that were known to either be ineffective or potentially illegal.

            Obviously they have no problem dumping a penalty on your site if you do that.

            If you follow the questionable "spam" links they don't actually lead you to a page to buy the product. Only one link has offers for "alternatives." The products have a product name "Phen <something>" but the claims about their contents are not misleading.

            There's a concept here that some products utilize that many people do not understand, the product name does not have to indicate it's contents and is not a claim, this also goes for the brand. So when you buy a Ford, you're buying a truck (Edit: or a car), not a river or a river crossing. The product name may or may not have any relationship with the product itself (the FTC has historically shut down some companies with misleading product names but it's rare.) So for example: Mrs. Butterworth’s Original Syrup; this product contains no butter and there are no claims to indicate that it does. Other examples are various products from Weight Watchers.

            This stuff is obviously allowed and I think this person somehow feels that it's "spam." No sorry, it's totally legit. It's also why the product Walmart carries under the brand "Great Value" with the product name "ice cream sandwich" is completely fine, since "ice cream" is not an industry defined term and is allowed to contain an array of different ingredients. (I still think Walmart is pure scum for selling fake ice cream sandwiches, but it's allowed.)

            Edit2: this also applies to the company name. "CAREWORLD LLC" yeah I'm sure they care, about money...
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by theexpert101 View Post

      Yeah I guess you can only speculate... I've been making millions and $2M that was just one of the years out of few. Google killed me at the pick, when I was making close to $10K per day. How do you think I feel about them? Now tell me if they are not bribed. Can you prove that phentermine.com and Google spam people are not doing it together... They are WAY to strong on every single position, dropping small change to other sites.... I am out of this stupid business and I can care less, but what I see, I have eyes and I know SEO, makes me think that way. There someone at Google pushing the "GO" button for the phentermine.com. It's so freaking obvious...

      By the way this shit keeps happening to my sites. Any time I get close to compete with Phentermine.com something happening. Last time suddenly Google started displaying my site as "hacked". After I fixed it, my meta description and title never showed up. At first it was showing up with one keyword in the title and "cgi bin" below. I switched platforms, firewalls, hosing, DNS, you name it, for 3 months it was displaying this shit. NOBODY was able to explain what's going on. I asked MANY people and GOOGLE people as well. Nobody was able to explain it.

      Oh you know what else. My firewall provider - Sucuri sent me a message saying that 66.249 Ips are doing hacking...

      Now explain to me how they are not bribed?




      You switched host because you screwed up a SERP title/description? You realize that stuff isn't written in stone, right?
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    • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
      Originally Posted by theexpert101 View Post

      Oh you know what else. My firewall provider - Sucuri sent me a message saying that 66.249 Ips are doing hacking...

      Now explain to me how they are not bribed?
      Cool story bro. And by "cool" I mean delusional, rambling, and borderline insane.

      Do you really think that we're ready to blame Google for flagging your hacked site? If it wasn't hacked you're usually able to lift that status in couple of hours. But it's much more likely that you're just full of shite. It's apparent that you don't understand firewalls from the bit I quoted.

      So there's one guy making wild assumptions, conjuring delusional stories, not understanding basic web technology, and making unfounded accusations. Now explain to me how this guy is in any way a credible source.
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      Links in signature will not help your SEO. Not on this site, and not on any other forum.
      Who told me this? An ex Google web spam engineer.

      What's your excuse?
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