Why you should absolutely NEVER use a public network.

by irawr Banned
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So somebody I'm not going to mention is building a public network.

It doesn't really matter what RUSE this is under. If the purpose of the site is to exchange or build links with other members, then this is absolutely not allowed and Google will have zero issues penalizing your site for using a service like that.

Google has penalized thousands of sites before and they will do it again.

If you participate in public networks, you are setting yourself up for complete failure.

The ethics of people who set these types of networks up, are absolutely disgustingly bad.

The absolute worst scenario I can think of, is if they would be marketing these services as "white hat SEO" which usually "whitehat" techniques have little to no risk. But, unfortunately, because it's so incredibly easy for the engineers at Google (which is a company worth more than half a trillion dollars) to tie these networks together, a service like this is actually insanely risky.

The people who create these networks, should already know from experience, that Google has absolutely no problem, ruining thousands of businesses because they participate in public networks for the purpose of link building.

Real SEOs would NEVER use these types of networks to build links to their sites. So the owners of these sites are relying on the ignorance of regular people to line their pockets.
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  • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
    Agree. This kind of link building is getting more dangerous every day. Google has penalized sites that are using these. In the best case scenario you'd just have all the questionable links devalued.
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      • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
        Originally Posted by irawr View Post

        I have actually requested to be banned three times from these forums, because I can not believe that a person who is a member of these forums would be setting up a network like that.
        You should stay away from the WSO section. It's a load of absolute bollocks that just sucks the life force out of you. It's just absurd what kind of scams people can sell. I'm guessing everything goes as long as Freelancer gets paid and it's not completely illegal.
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          Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

          You should stay away from the WSO section. It's a load of absolute bollocks that just sucks the life force out of you. It's just absurd what kind of scams people can sell. I'm guessing everything goes as long as Freelancer gets paid and it's not completely illegal.
          Oh it's way more shocking then the WSO section.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    That sounds like Ann Smarty's network all over again.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      That sounds like Ann Smarty's network all over again.
      Ann's "network" (if you can call it that) got into issues because it was all about search engine optimized links - anchor text, followed and very reciprocal. It specified how links were to be made in a way that made it obvious it was just for SEO.. Frankly that was a mistake even if not for being dinged by Google for it. Traffic is traffic. There's no need to just focus on SEO traffic. When webmasters are willing to link to you there CANNOT be a condition of how they link to you - that's not natural. A webmaster both must choose to give you a link based on content and give it the way they wish whether that has SEO benefit or not. over time and various webmasters you generally however will get both and with real sites - traffic with it

      To this day Google has not axed all guest posting ( well known authors still get bylines on syndicated content all over the web). They are not anti people choosing content to link and/or giving the author credit.

      but at any rate CV is not a guest blogging platform.

      The OP who was just throwing out accusation after accusation, ignoring mods removing them, and has now been banned.
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  • Profile picture of the author Synnuh
    I've followed along, and just 'cause I like poking people, stirring the pot, and watching the ensuing chaos what about HARO ?

    It's essentially the same thing as the network being discussed.

    Carry on ;P

    Edit: For those that don't know what HARO is, it's "Help A Reporter Out".
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by Synnuh View Post

      I've followed along, and just 'cause I like poking people, stirring the pot, and watching the ensuing chaos what about HARO ?

      It's essentially the same thing as the network being discussed.

      Carry on ;P

      Edit: For those that don't know what HARO is, it's "Help A Reporter Out".

      I don't see HARO as a public link network because the discussion of links and exchanging links is not a focus of the service. The focus is really exposure.
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  • Profile picture of the author Synnuh
    Couldn't the same be said about the service in question?

    Isn't he just connecting webmasters together to source relevant information to their blogs?

    Switching the word "links" with "sources" changes the context, but in the end, it's still the same -- you have to link to those sources, and the sources are creating the information to get links to their sites.

    I think it's a potayto potahto thing but people's feathers got ruffled and it turned into a shit storm.

    That's just my outside opinion, though.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by Synnuh View Post

      Couldn't the same be said about the service in question?

      Isn't he just connecting webmasters together to source relevant information to their blogs?

      Switching the word "links" with "sources" changes the context, but in the end, it's still the same -- you have to link to those sources, and the sources are creating the information to get links to their sites.

      I think it's a potayto potahto thing but people's feathers got ruffled and it turned into a shit storm.

      That's just my outside opinion, though.
      But you don't have to "link" to those sources with a hyperlink. You can mention a law firm by name. You can mention a person like... "Jill Smith, a leading spine specialist from Johns Hopkins,..." and stuff like that.

      HARO is not a link exchange. It is connecting reporters with experts or at least to people with knowledge about a particular field.

      There is no rule with HARO that you have to be linked to. Cited, yes. Linked to, not necessarily.

      I don't know anything really about the details and mechanics of the service irawr is mentioning. It might be legit. From his description, it sounds like a public network trying really hard to not be a public network, but it's still a public network.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eagle07
    Originally Posted by irawr View Post

    So somebody I'm not going to mention is building a public network.

    It doesn't really matter what RUSE this is under. If the purpose of the site is to exchange or build links with other members, then this is absolutely not allowed and Google will have zero issues penalizing your site for using a service like that.
    Thanks for sharing! I never stumbled upon that but surely I learned another thing to avoid
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    • Profile picture of the author nettiapina
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      ATTENTION:
      I'm not sure if the mods have been busy with this thread, but your comment is the first time that any existing or upcoming service has been brought up. OP reads as a generic gripe about public networks and business practices with some finger pointing to an unidentified individual/company.

      This from a perspective of a guy who was too lazy to read the other thread at all until it had been already modded to the state that's it currently in.

      FWIW, checked the pages and it doesn't sound like a public network to me.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by nettiapina View Post

        I'm not sure if the mods have been busy with this thread, but your comment is the first time that any existing or upcoming service has been brought up. OP reads as a generic gripe about public networks and business practices with some finger pointing to an unidentified individual/company.,.
        A) Yes mods have been active in this thread ( The OP has been banned twice under two user names)

        B) Yes the person in question has made it obvious by connection with other posts in other threads a specific person
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          Originally Posted by Synnuh View Post

          no way that was Becker. chu got proofs mayn?
          Eh, probably not, tons of blackhats around.
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        Originally Posted by mkii View Post

        irawr banned,
        meh just his username. He's probably still around under another username


        As long as he behaves himself he should be fine though.....You tell him that for me if you see him ....lol

        Originally Posted by Synnuh View Post

        no way that was Becker. chu got proofs mayn?
        Definitely not becker - Becker was much more intelligent and could speak and read English very well
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          Definitely not becker - Becker was much more intelligent and could speak and read English very well
          Is it me, or is my post gone, asking if that was Becker? Illuminati?

          I didn't delete it, and didn't get an infraction...? Mind=blown
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  • Profile picture of the author RS3RS
    People waste so much time and money on those networks. It amazes me.

    If you just put your time into earning editorial links the results will be a hundred times better. And you don't have to worry about Google banning your entire domain, undoing all of your hard work (and money).

    I guess people think those links are difficult to get (and if your content is crap, they are). But going legit has so many benefits.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by RS3RS View Post

      I guess people think those links are difficult to get (and if your content is crap, they are). But going legit has so many benefits.
      Yeah thats the problem. A lot of sites will never get links from sites based on content. However there are quite a lot of sites that have good content that do not get noticed. So there is generally some kind of content marketing needed.

      The OP was right about networks - just was lying about what and who was building one.
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