I preached it for the last 3 years, everyone said I was full of it. Here's proof.

by Synnuh
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I've always said that user signals and user interactions determine how well you rank (outside of content and links, of course). Everyone pissed and moaned, called me a scammer, told me I was full of shit, and on, and on, and on.

Brian Dean finally broke legit proof that I was right:


By the way, the feed sucks, and looking through recent posts, the same people are still bitching about the same things they were bitching about when I took my vacation 2 months ago. Kind of odd. If it's that bad folks, move along.
#full #preached #proof #years
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    Brian always tries to reinvent common sense with drama.

    I'm still LOLing about the 200 ranking factors which included 100 opinions in order to have more content than his competition.
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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Brian always tries to reinvent common sense with drama.

      I'm still LOLing about the 200 ranking factors which included 100 opinions in order to have more content than his competition.
      I took notes on how he took a bunch of different footage and spliced them together, rather then having a really long video.
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        Originally Posted by irawr View Post

        I took notes on how he took a bunch of different footage and spliced them together, rather then having a really long video.
        His screenshot is silly (how to get high).

        He turned off javascript on his browser (1:02 in video screenshot) which real traffic never does, notice the left sidebar links on the Google SERP (javascript turned off). Turning off javascript while browsing Google SERPs skews the search page results.

        He also has zero LSI keywords related to drugs and zero backlinks on drug related pages so why the hell would Google rank his SEO niche webpage long term for a partial match page title in a semi-competitive niche.

        The funny part is he thinks bounce rate is something new for 2016 (fail). Who cares what Google thinks. Ranking for lawnmower keywords and selling beanie babies when the SERP traffic lands on the sales page is retarded, obviously traffic will bail [Act Two: Enter common sense].
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          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          He turned off javascript on his browser (1:02 in video screenshot) which real traffic never does, notice the left sidebar links on the Google SERP (javascript turned off). Turning off javascript while browsing Google SERPs skews the search page results.
          That's the tin foil hat SERP.

          That's if it's even a real SERP at all, you can't see the address bar, so hard to tell. There's reasons he might have faked it, like he just forgot to take an SS.

          The tools I'm looking at shows his site ranking pretty badly on "how to get high" so he might have faked the SERP to over exaggerate his claims.

          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          Repeat similar tests over and over before drawing any conclusions.
          Carefully audit keyword, 5k words(easier/cheaper overall/more LT traffic), outbound links, youtube videos, lots of pictures, and then point a few pbns = winning.


          Unless the site is < 4 months old. That = failing.
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    Originally Posted by Synnuh View Post

    I've always said that user signals and user interactions determine how well you rank (outside of content and links, of course). Everyone pissed and moaned, called me a scammer, told me I was full of shit, and on, and on, and on.

    Brian Dean finally broke legit proof that I was right:

    The SEO ranking factor you MUST master in 2016 (and beyond) - YouTube

    By the way, the feed sucks, and looking through recent posts, the same people are still bitching about the same things they were bitching about when I took my vacation 2 months ago. Kind of odd. If it's that bad folks, move along.
    So because it happened one time, on one site, that is conclusive evidence that you are right?

    The evidence is anything but conclusive.

    Repeat similar tests over and over before drawing any conclusions.

    Also, there is no control in this test. If you want to test it effectively, you need to run tests where a page ranks for something off topic (like Brian's how to get high example), but not run Google Analytics on it or any other Google property.

    Not sure if it is possible or not, but you might even want to block Chrome browsers from the page.

    What happens when Google cannot see the time on page of the site. The vast majority of pages on the internet are not running Google Analytics, or any other Google property, so Google does not have access to the data. How do they treat it then?
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    So, why is my site that nobody talks about and has bounce rate of 87% beat sites with constant user signals and lots of toys to keep the users on?

    Originally Posted by Synnuh View Post

    I've always said that user signals and user interactions determine how well you rank (outside of content and links, of course). Everyone pissed and moaned, called me a scammer, told me I was full of shit, and on, and on, and on.

    Brian Dean finally broke legit proof that I was right:

    The SEO ranking factor you MUST master in 2016 (and beyond) - YouTube

    By the way, the feed sucks, and looking through recent posts, the same people are still bitching about the same things they were bitching about when I took my vacation 2 months ago. Kind of odd. If it's that bad folks, move along.
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      Originally Posted by DABK View Post

      So, why is my site that nobody talks about and has bounce rate of 87% beat sites with constant user signals and lots of toys to keep the users on?
      You have to use the "bucket brigade" method, DUH...
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        I knowed it! I knowed it! I knowed it!

        Originally Posted by irawr View Post

        You have to use the "bucket brigade" method, DUH...
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        Originally Posted by irawr View Post

        You have to use the "bucket brigade" method, DUH...
        He always comes up with hilarious recycled buzz words.

        buckĀ·et briĀ·gade
        noun
        a line of people who pass buckets of water from one to another to put out a fire.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by Synnuh View Post

    I've always said that user signals and user interactions determine how well you rank (outside of content and links, of course). Everyone pissed and moaned, called me a scammer, told me I was full of shit, and on, and on, and on.
    considering the high usage of Chrome I think that its a given they use some of that data

    Brian Dean finally broke legit proof that I was right:
    Though I have no issue with the premise that result can be explained many ways (temporary bump from freshness that later fell etc). However agree with you completely Google is using UX. its just a question of how much.

    the way, the feed sucks, and looking through recent posts, the same people are still bitching about the same things they were bitching about when I took my vacation 2 months ago. Kind of odd. If it's that bad folks, move along.
    they have no real alternatives or ideas
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    P.S. Lol at the Brian Dean/Backlinko hate - Brian is a good guy who made a number of solid posts here when he used to contribute. Good for him he has built a solid business and SEO reputations. Major props

    haters are going to alwaaaays be jealous
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      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      P.S. Lol at the Brian Dean/Backlinko hate - Brian is a good guy who made a number of solid posts here when he used to contribute. Good for him he has built a solid business and SEO reputations. Major props

      haters are going to alwaaaays be jealous


      You're right, nobody else has an opinion, let alone 100 opinions (200 ranking factors fail).
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        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        You're right, nobody else has an opinion, let alone 100 opinions (200 ranking factors fail).
        lol....yeah such a fail people are here talking about it and no one is discussing your posts.

        like I said...haters going to hate out of jealousy.

        Point of fact though - he doesn't claim they are all his or they are all right. Pretty honest up front for those who read it

        Some are proven.

        Some are controversial.

        Others are SEO nerd speculation.
        Good guy and well known SEO who knows how to market. Rand hate ran out and need a replacement???
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          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          lol....yeah such a fail people are here talking about it and no one is discussing your posts.
          Ha, ha, I bet more people are talking about fiverr SEO gigs than Brian Dean.

          Funny you think because someone has a following they're almighty. Hitler had a following, how'd that work out?

          Yeah, that logic makes sense (fail).
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            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            Ha, ha, I bet more people are talking about fiverr SEO gigs than Brian Dean.

            Funny you think because someone has a following they're almighty. Hitler had a following, how'd that work out?

            Yeah, that logic makes sense (fail).
            Can't beat 1 million links for 5$. It's not even worth opening GSA. It probably costs more in electricity.
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                                                • Profile picture of the author Synnuh
                                                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                                  They let the webmaster of real sites with real traffic build the links to their site and so they get links and real traffic.
                                                  Why I say that legit bloggers are the new SEOs -- if they knew how to tap into it, that is.

                                                  If legitimate bloggers turned their sights on learning the technical nuances of SEO, the SEO industry would be flipped upside down, and many more millionaires would come from it. It would be like the gold rush from years past.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author CaRTmAnBrAh
                                    Originally Posted by irawr View Post

                                    Hey I was just checking the site in your signature in Ahrefs
                                    I know this isn't the best time to ask you guys, but what essential SEO tools do I need for my authority blogs to dominate my competition into a coma like state?

                                    Ahrefs and anything else you would recommend?

                                    I am going to need an answer by the way, having to read through all these fights picking out the golden nuggets isn't easy.
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                                      Originally Posted by CaRTmAnBrAh View Post

                                      I know this isn't the best time to ask you guys, but what essential SEO tools do I need for my authority blogs to dominate my competition into a coma like state?
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                                      You can go with Majestic as well. I tend to like their setup better and turns out to be cheaper . however researching backlinks aint going to automatically give you the links to rank. Really you have your choice these days of building PBNs or doing white hat.

                                      the whole GSA thing and tiered link building thing is not what it used to be and if there ever is a real penguin update as such again it could get even more dicey. of course that depends entirely on whether you have a long term goal foryour site or just want to rinse and repeat

                                      Ive been thinking of posting a complete comprehensive tutorial on building PBNs here for free/ Let me know if thats something you would be interested in. however i don't see them as being as great for all things anymore.
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                                        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                                        You can go with Majestic as well. I tend to like their setup better and turns out to be cheaper . however researching backlinks aint going to automatically give you the links to rank. Really you have your choice these days of building PBNs or doing white hat.

                                        the whole GSA thing and tiered link building thing is not what it used to be and if there ever is a real penguin update as such again it could get even more dicey. of course that depends entirely on whether you have a long term goal foryour site or just want to rinse and repeat

                                        Ive been thinking of posting a complete comprehensive tutorial on building PBNs here for free/ Let me know if thats something you would be interested in. however i don't see them as being as great for all things anymore.
                                        Building out 2 authority blogs not in IM niche, thinking about tools for best keyword research for posts as I'm paying for quality content and will continue to do so, thus content research for maximum traffic and monetization has quickly become very important to get right.

                                        Tools for keyword research and backlinks. Was thinking about Ahrefs, Semrush etc. Thanks for the info on majestic. I've already had a few sales which has spurred me into action. Who knew hard work could be fun and rewarding! I especially like the engagement with the writers.

                                        I have looked at PBN's, been told I haven't got a prayer unless I adopt them, but honestly, I want to avoid it if possible at least initially and put my time and money into white hat and the 2 sites, that my be naive so any advice you're willing to impart is much appreciated.
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                                          Originally Posted by CaRTmAnBrAh View Post

                                          Building out 2 authority blogs not in IM niche, thinking about tools for best keyword research for posts as I'm paying for quality content and will continue to do so, thus content research for maximum traffic and monetization has quickly become very important to get right.

                                          Tools for keyword research and backlinks. Was thinking about Ahrefs, Semrush etc. Thanks for the info on majestic. I've already had a few sales which has spurred me into action. Who knew hard work could be fun and rewarding! I especially like the engagement with the writers.

                                          I have looked at PBN's, been told I haven't got a prayer unless I adopt them, but honestly, I want to avoid it if possible at least initially and put my time and money into white hat and the 2 sites, that my be naive so any advice you're willing to impart is much appreciated.
                                          Don't build PBNs, buy links from high quality PBN vendors -- SERPShip.com has a dank network that's going to be around for the long haul.

                                          Building and managing PBNs is a pain in the ass, and the time / money can be better spent buying links from reputable vendors. If / when Matt Diggity opens his network up again, jump on board.

                                          Find your top 10 biggest competitors, and "skyscraper" their posts. Don't waste money being original, when they've laid the groundwork for you.

                                          Start from the top of your sales funnel (highest converting offer or pages first) then work down into the social side.

                                          As far as backlink trackers go, Majestic is OK. AHrefs is OK. SEMRush is OK. They're useless if you're not going to dig in and spend your hours replicating the links, though. You can do hella damage with the free trials, download as many links as you can, then spend the next 6 months replicating the easy wins. Then buy PBN links to spot rank the high converting pages on your site.
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                                          Originally Posted by CaRTmAnBrAh View Post

                                          Building out 2 authority blogs not in IM niche, thinking about tools for best keyword research for posts as I'm paying for quality content and will continue to do so
                                          if you want a tool that gives you a few ideas thats fine but honestly most keyword research tools are no better than Google's keyword planner and nowadays you need to see ad placement for the term as well now that google dumps a lot in the organic column up top and tools haven't yet incorporated that yet. Content marketing does work with a bit of networking . For example lots of bloggers are open to linking to sites of people who contribute to their own site with comments etc. especially if tis good content. Email outreach is slow but also works

                                          I have looked at PBN's, been told I haven't got a prayer unless I adopt them, but honestly, I want to avoid it if possible at least initially and put my time and money into white hat and the 2 sites, that my be naive so any advice you're willing to impart is much appreciated.
                                          Well this is why you might have just read that I contribute nothing but BS because if you don't recommend PBns for every situation then there are a few on here friends with someone who still widely pushes them and training for them who get all upset.

                                          Building a really good one can cost many thousands of dollars for the best domains. IF you already have one of course still good to use them but if you are in a niche or going after keywords with a lot of top spots taken by adwords does it really make sense to spend thousands of dollars to show up still below the fold at position five. I don't think so.

                                          Plus now with pagerank effectively gone (totally invisible to the public) buying is a crap shoot at auctions etc and you never know when you might lose a big investment domain. If your content marketing strategy is working stick with it.

                                          IF you are looking to go in light with less than top power domains then drop catching is a good way to go. It used to be better but now a lot of drop catching outfits are now catching for auctions. A few are not and you can pick up a moderate to low strength domain for $35 or so .

                                          I can't attest to its value now but software used to catch a few for registration fees like this one

                                          Expired Domain Drop Catching Software: Drop Catch Deleted Domains

                                          for that to work with registrars like Dynadot they have to not be wanted as much but you might pick up a couple on the cheap especially now that there is uncertainty as to value.

                                          Foreign domains that everyone could register for used to be another option if you had a registrar agent that bought for them. Australia,canada and a few others used to be decent

                                          I just can't see going all in like a few years back with domains for many hundreds and thousands unless you have some serious cash and can take potential loss. unknown to this crowd here the most widely used SEO tactic is link outreach and emailing webmasters for links. You of course have to have great content to even try that and it is hit and miss.

                                          Also don't rule out directories - not the big multi subject ones but the specialized ones like for a city or a kind of business (farmers, accountants). They have rules as to who can join., sometimes there are fees but you can do some serious damage with them over time. The accepted blanket statements that all directories are the same and bad is just false. In professional niches you see sites all the time ranking with specialized directory link ( moderated not free for alls)

                                          just a few thoughts off the top of my head.
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                                            I won't quote it all but thanks a lot for the reply above.
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    Originally Posted by Synnuh View Post

    I've always said that user signals and user interactions determine how well you rank (outside of content and links, of course).
    Are people actually reading that line?


    It's an inane one at best. Ridiculous, at worst.

    Since you are taking content and links off the table....anything is fair game!

    See....I told you! Putting your website on a piece of paper under your pillow determines how well you rank. (outside of content and links, of course)

    See.....I told you! Standing on the street corner twirling your website sign determines how well you rank.
    (outside of content and links, of course)

    The possibilities are endless! (outside of content and links, of course)

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      Originally Posted by paulgl View Post


      Since you are taking content and links off the table....anything is fair game!

      See....I told you! Putting your website on a piece of paper under your pillow determines how well you rank. (outside of content and links, of course)
      That might have been a good point if Google actually had a way of monitoring your pillow cases and stated they wanted to. Unfortunate to your point google does have an interest in measuring user experience of search results and in Chrome they do have a way of monitoring it

      Does Brian's study cement that? I don't think so but the data and desire of google to know how they are doing in search results is there and nothing about it is ridiculous.
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        That might have been a good point if Google actually had a way of monitoring your pillow cases and stated they wanted to. Unfortunate to your point google does have an interest in measuring user experience of search results and in Chrome they do have a way of monitoring it

        Does Brian's study cement that? I don't think so but the data and desire of google to know how they are doing in search results is there and nothing about it is ridiculous.
        I had to sift through some crapola to get to a good reply.

        Thing is, there are way too many intangibles, many of which I am guilty of many times a day.

        Such as, clicking on a site, then getting distracted. Literally leaving the page open but not engaged. Google has no ability to detect what one does on a page.

        I could just surf onto another topic.

        My connection could be lost.

        If one searches for something like, oh sunset time in Sacramento....the searcher gets the result without having to visit a single page in the SERPs.

        I imagine there are many brain-dead internet googlers. They might just blindly click on the first result....who knows what that results in, if one were keeping track.

        Many times I don't click back. Easier nowadays to type a new search in the address bar.

        I can't remember the last time I even looked at results past the first page.

        If google can detect such personal things on chrome, then they would be using just a sample. 59% are not using chrome. You can't ignore 59%.

        Even that data collection would be spotty at best.

        Google is smarter than to use spotty, iffy, minimal data to anything drastic.

        Google even touts surfing incognito.....which does not save your browsing activity.

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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

          I had to sift through some crapola to get to a good reply.

          Thing is, there are way too many intangibles, many of which I am guilty of many times a day.

          Such as, clicking on a site, then getting distracted. Literally leaving the page open but not engaged. Google has no ability to detect what one does on a page.

          I could just surf onto another topic.

          My connection could be lost.
          None of which matters Paul because things like this don't go off of one person reaction but the aggregate Overall the bounce rate etc still holds

          I imagine there are many brain-dead internet googlers. They might just blindly click on the first result....who knows what that results in, if one were keeping track.

          Many times I don't click back. Easier nowadays to type a new search in the address bar.
          thats where chrome comes in and users signed in to Google as well

          If google can detect such personal things on chrome, then they would be using just a sample. 59% are not using chrome. You can't ignore 59%.
          You are not ignoring them. You are doing the same thing you do with polling using a sample size ( rather large one) to determine percentages for the whole.

          Same mathematical principles by which TV stations call elections with only a percentage of the precinct reporting and are seldom wrong. Doesn't have to be
          the be all and end all of the algo either. I doubt that would be the case but as a factor yeah of course UX is very important to Google. Nothing outlandish about it.
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    lol go away for 24 hours and this happens. I love type a's.

    Here's a patent they recently applied for that uses the bio sensors in your devices to determine satisfaction with search results, too: Satisfaction a Future Ranking Signal in Google Search Results? - SEO by the Sea
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      Originally Posted by Synnuh View Post

      lol go away for 24 hours and this happens. I love type a's.

      Here's a patent they recently applied for that uses the bio sensors in your devices to determine satisfaction with search results, too: Satisfaction a Future Ranking Signal in Google Search Results? - SEO by the Sea
      This has nothing to do with type a personalities or just trying to be argumentative.

      To say that what Brian posted proves anything at all just makes zero sense. It was one example of something happening, but that could have happened for 100 different reasons. There was nothing conclusive in that video.

      Google very well might be using user signals for rankings, but what Brian shared, ONE single case of it maybe happening, doesn't prove anything one way or the other.

      I would argue though that if they are using any kind of data like that, it most likely would be a very, very minor signal. I say that because the sites not ranking on page one are likely not getting any search traffic.

      They really only would have the data for the sites in the top 10. So how do you balance that with a site that is currently on page 4 and not getting traffic? If people found the site, they might love it. You can't assume its user signals would be bad. Some sites get scored and others don't? Not exactly a level playing field.

      Anyhow, back on topic. Brian's video is just one example, so that hardly vindicates you. And even in his example, there is no guarantee that the page dropped because of that. In order to try to prove something you have to isolate every variable you can, and then repeat the experiment over and over. That was not done here.
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  • Profile picture of the author CaRTmAnBrAh
    Originally Posted by Synnuh View Post

    Brian Dean finally broke legit proof that I was right:.
    LOOK!

    I can't emphasize this enough...

    Bottom line?

    I actually got a lot out that video, found it interesting.

    Here's the deal

    Please post more content like this and I may subscribe to your list if you have one.

    Why does this matter?

    Who doesn't want more subscribers! Am I right or am I right!

    That's not all...

    Actually it is. Bye and thanks for the post.
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      Originally Posted by CaRTmAnBrAh View Post

      I actually got a lot out that video, found it interesting.
      You don't actually make money with SEO do you? Be honest.

      I do and I found it to be one of the biggest wastes of my time, excluding these forums.

      And that's when what he was saying was "new." It just matters more now because people don't hand links out like they used to.

      The SERPs are steered by CTR data, were talking like 2009-2010 info here.

      It's "huge right now" or half a decade, whatever.
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      • Profile picture of the author CaRTmAnBrAh
        Originally Posted by irawr View Post

        You don't actually make money with SEO do you? Be honest.
        Be honest?

        I can't do that, it goes against everything I stand for.
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          Originally Posted by CaRTmAnBrAh View Post

          Be honest?

          I can't do that, it goes against everything I stand for.
          That's fine with me.

          Edit: I put on a ski mask while doing SEO most of the day. It works, whatever.
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      • Profile picture of the author CaRTmAnBrAh
        Originally Posted by irawr View Post

        I do and I found it to be one of the biggest wastes of my time, excluding these forums.

        And that's when what he was saying was "new." It just matters more now because people don't hand links out like they used to.

        The SERPs are steered by CTR data, were talking like 2009-2010 info here.

        It's "huge right now" or half a decade, whatever.
        You sound bitter and tired. You've lost your enthusiasm as a warrior and for SEO. You should maybe consider a change in direction. I don't like to see you like this brah.
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    [QUOTE=yukon;10688169]Yeah, they're all messed up, steering wheels on the wrong side, lol.]

    Hey, steady on there. That's our language we gave you that you're using to criticise us.

    As for your car culture, how's Detroit doing thesedays?

    Written from my UK cottage (also older than your country), which we also gave you.

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      I must make a little correction. I just must. The country, they took from you, you didn't give it to them.



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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Yeah, they're all messed up, steering wheels on the wrong side, lol.]

      Hey, steady on there. That's our language we gave you that you're using to criticise us.

      As for your car culture, how's Detroit doing thesedays?

      Written from my UK cottage (also older than your country), which we also gave you.

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    Good luck man! Didn't know it was going to be this big of a shit storm though lol
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