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Hi guys, I've learnt something interesting these days. When I finished a new website (not the one in my signature) the first thing that I did was to submit it to Google to be indexed. I didn't sent it to other search sites, but as a regular DuckDuckGo user I found that a couple of days later my site was in the second results page, so it was something quite surprising to me. One week later it's on the top, I think because it's a unique service and if you look for something similar it doesn't exist.

And what happens with Google? I'm in the 14th page, and it shows on the first one quite old pages with no similar functionalities and not very good information. There are better results on the 3rd of 4th page but by any reason they are hidden from the main results.

So, my conclusion is that Google is not as good search tool as it seems, it's very accurate but gives too much importance to well stablished sites, and as they appear at the top of the first page, they gets more visits and thus more relevance to Google. It's a infinite feedback.

It clearly penalizes to new sites and services. This makes to promote a site a slow and painful process that forces us to pay to being advertised because if you aren't in the fist results page you don't exist for 99% of the people.

Another thing that I love from DDG is that it doesn't track users, which it's a quite fair policy that it's very important for all.

It is a very little company that despite not having even 0.000001% of Google's resources, works really well.

So +1 for them.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by rmmfree View Post

    Hi guys, I've learnt something interesting these days. When I finished a new website (not the one in my signature) the first thing that I did was to submit it to Google to be indexed. I didn't sent it to other search sites, but as a regular DuckDuckGo user I found that a couple of days later my site was in the second results page, so it was something quite surprising to me. One week later it's on the top, I think because it's a unique service and if you look for something similar it doesn't exist.

    And what happens with Google? I'm in the 14th page, and it shows on the first one quite old pages with no similar functionalities and not very good information. There are better results on the 3rd of 4th page but by any reason they are hidden from the main results.

    So, my conclusion is that Google is not as good search tool as it seems, it's very accurate but gives too much importance to well stablished sites, and as they appear at the top of the first page, they gets more visits and thus more relevance to Google. It's a infinite feedback.

    It clearly penalizes to new sites and services. This makes to promote a site a slow and painful process that forces us to pay to being advertised because if you aren't in the fist results page you don't exist for 99% of the people.

    Another thing that I love from DDG is that it doesn't track users, which it's a quite fair policy that it's very important for all.

    It is a very little company that despite not having even 0.000001% of Google's resources, works really well.

    So +1 for them.



    At least you'll always be on the first page of Duck since it has 10 million SERP positions on one page.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim3
    Congrats on a interesting and thought-provoking post, far removed from the usual drivel.

    "So, my conclusion is that Google is not as good search tool as it seems, it's very accurate but gives too much importance to well stablished sites"

    IMO this is certainly a major flaw in Big G's algo that they have yet to address, as they will persist in ranking pages from established and trusted sites even though the information given on the page is years out of date and virtually useless to searchers, this is very annoying when looking for specifics, they also persist in ranking a lot of useless crap from Wikihow.

    The fabulous, and lovingly crafted article on the topic from poor old Joe Schmo's blog that took him a week to write is on page 93 and will never get found, because he has taken the 'Don't write for search engine's advice' and is not aware of SEO.

    Of course, much of what get ranked is, I'm sure, due algo tweaks that removed much of the spam, so elements within our industry have shot themselves (and everyone else) in the foot.

    "It clearly penalizes new sites and services"

    No I don't think this is absolutely correct, some sites/pages can rank very highly as long as the keyword competition is lowish, and even maintain that position over time, even after the 'honeymoon' period is over, at least that is what I've noticed.

    We know Big G will never be overtaken, but one of my sites gets a lot of traffic from DDG, and there are a few other SE's worth submitting to as well, depending on location/content.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by Tim3 View Post

      "It clearly penalizes new sites and services"

      No I don't think this is absolutely correct, some sites/pages can rank very highly as long as the keyword competition is lowish, and even maintain that position over time, even after the 'honeymoon' period is over, at least that is what I've noticed

      Not even remotely true.

      A typical site isn't an authority on day one. Sites/pages gain momentum in the SERPs by acquiring followed backlinks over time.

      Granted sites can sometimes go viral but the process is the exact same only the timeline for acquiring followed links is faster.

      My point is, zero authority on a new site/page isn't a Google penalty.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tim3
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        My point is, zero authority on a new site/page isn't a Google penalty.
        Yes, my results prove this beyond doubt.

        Apart from the competition there could be many other reasons pages don't rank, perhaps I'm paranoid, but I don't imagine Big G's algo is as simple as some folks may think, and I'm sure it would be possible for them to apply all sorts of filters to sites/keywords/results etc.
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by Tim3 View Post

          Yes, my results prove this beyond doubt.

          Apart from the competition there could be many other reasons pages don't rank, perhaps I'm paranoid, but I don't imagine Big G's algo is as simple as some folks may think, and I'm sure it would be possible for them to apply all sorts of filters to sites/keywords/results etc.

          The basics for ranking on Google SERPs is actually very simple and has been the same for years.
          • Plain text.
          • Followed backlinks from pages that have their own followed backlinks.

          Everything else is just minor details depending on what the webmaster is trying to accomplish.
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          • Profile picture of the author Tim3
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            The basics for ranking on Google SERPs is actually very simple and has been the same for years.
            • Plain text.
            • Followed backlinks from pages that have their own followed backlinks.

            Everything else is just minor details depending on what the webmaster is trying to accomplish.
            Without question you are right about that,

            I was thinking maybe just for some mega-profitable thus spam-inducing term like umm, Payday Loans, a special set of conditions (filter) could be applied, outside of the normal ranking algo i.e. backlinks etc that, unless certain 'other' conditions are met by a site for that particular term, it will never rank for it.

            In this example, say like a 'corporate' or 'trusted site' filter.
            But like I said, I could be barking
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Originally Posted by rmmfree View Post

    Hi guys, I've learnt something interesting these days. When I finished a new website (not the one in my signature) the first thing that I did was to submit it to Google to be indexed. I didn't sent it to other search sites, but as a regular DuckDuckGo user I found that a couple of days later my site was in the second results page, so it was something quite surprising to me. One week later it's on the top, I think because it's a unique service and if you look for something similar it doesn't exist.

    And what happens with Google? I'm in the 14th page, and it shows on the first one quite old pages with no similar functionalities and not very good information. There are better results on the 3rd of 4th page but by any reason they are hidden from the main results.

    So, my conclusion is that Google is not as good search tool as it seems, it's very accurate but gives too much importance to well stablished sites, and as they appear at the top of the first page, they gets more visits and thus more relevance to Google. It's a infinite feedback.

    It clearly penalizes to new sites and services. This makes to promote a site a slow and painful process that forces us to pay to being advertised because if you aren't in the fist results page you don't exist for 99% of the people.

    Another thing that I love from DDG is that it doesn't track users, which it's a quite fair policy that it's very important for all.

    It is a very little company that despite not having even 0.000001% of Google's resources, works really well.

    So +1 for them.
    I get it. You are upset because you are not ranking as well as you would like, but the fact that Google gives favor to well-established authority sites is not a negative.

    Google is simply trying to provide their users with what they want. They are not looking to please IM'ers.

    If I am shopping for a new television, I do not want to hear about it from some unknown 5-page website with an affiliate link. I want to read reviews on Amazon, Best Buy, Cnet, etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author SwayamDas
    DuckDuckGo is designed to be a less creepy and less invasive alternative to Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author paulgl
    Google does not penalize shinola.

    They are neither a government agency, court, police force, or other such rot.

    They have a right to their business the same way a bar bans patrons and other enterprises choose who gets in.

    Try to become a member of August National....FYI: Nobody knows how to get in.

    They love tons of new sites, old sites, hack sites, stolen sites, duplicate sites, bad sites, good sites, lousy sites, terrific sites, sites that suck, sites that are stupid, sites that are smart,....

    I guess I'll be the first. DuckDuckGo will get you about as far as Duck Duck Goose.

    Perhaps you did not know that duckduckgo is not actually a search engine, but a search engine result gatherer. They glean their results from a plethora of 3rd party search engines like bing.

    What's funny, is they serve up ads from bing.

    Conclusion? Why not just use bing?

    You know what clinches this as nonsense? You state that the first thing you did was submit your site to google...yeah....let that sink in.

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  • Profile picture of the author George Schwab
    In 92.8% of all searches that look for information DuckDuckGo wins, hands dow

    Google is only relevant these days for shopping, and you want to see who the biggest players are in that market

    Today DuckDuckGo is the Google of 1999 and 2000, an innocent little very good search engine,

    I would buy shares of them now, if they offer any, they will grow big over time.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by George Schwab View Post

      In 92.8% of all searches that look for information DuckDuckGo wins, hands dow

      Google is only relevant these days for shopping, and you want to see who the biggest players are in that market

      Today DuckDuckGo is the Google of 1999 and 2000, an innocent little very good search engine,

      I would buy shares of them now, if they offer any, they will grow big over time.
      Hilarious nonsense. People have been saying that about DuckDuckGo for 5 years now. We're still waiting for their big growth explosion. They still have less than 2% market share in search.
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