Trust Flow & Citation Flow - What works?

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I have access to an expired domain crawler which shows the trust flow and citation flow of the domains. I heard that having a ratio between the two closes to 1 is best.

So if I found one that is TF 20 and CF 20 would that be ideal for setting a site up on?
I know that there are lots of factors to take into account but everyone I ask seems to have there own opinions.

I also read online that trust flow means that the amount of click throughs from the backlink and then others state its the quality and trustworthyness of the backlink.

I am really keen on setting up a private blog network and begin buying expired domains with great metrics but want to make sure I do my homework before diving into the domain game.

Has anyone got any experience in this field?
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesbrands
    TF & CF can be good indicators of the strength of a domain and a 1:1 ratio is advised.

    However the real proof are the backlinks.

    I'd check them - where do they come from? how many & from how many referring domains? are they likely to stick? What's the anchor text like? Does it look clean?

    I always check the history of the domain & take a look in waybackmachine.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by jamesbrands View Post

      TF & CF can be good indicators of the strength of a domain and a 1:1 ratio is advised.

      However the real proof are the backlinks.

      I'd check them - where do they come from? how many & from how many referring domains? are they likely to stick? What's the anchor text like? Does it look clean?

      I always check the history of the domain & take a look in waybackmachine.
      Yes. You need to do checks like this. A tool like Majestic is okay for finding links, but it is not so good at keeping up to date if the links still exist today.

      Never, ever buy domains just based on metrics. They are only useful for sorting through a big list of domains to pick out the ones you want to take a closer look at. Other than that, metrics are useless if you want to setup a private network.
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  • Originally Posted by jamesbrands View Post

    TF & CF can be good indicators of the strength of a domain and a 1:1 ratio is advised.

    However the real proof are the backlinks.

    I'd check them - where do they come from? how many & from how many referring domains? are they likely to stick? What's the anchor text like? Does it look clean?

    I always check the history of the domain & take a look in waybackmachine.
    Thanks for the tips.
    Now another question. Concerning the backlinks.
    In majestic it states how many backlinks a domain has but then also states how many IP reffering domains so what do I go off?

    I seen a domain which had 1,300 backlinks but only 3 ref IP's, is this still good or should there be hundreds of IP's which are better? I have access to PBNlab a great tool for crawling for expired domains and picked up thousands of names that only have low referring IP numbers but thousands of backlinks.

    Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

    Yes. You need to do checks like this. A tool like Majestic is okay for finding links, but it is not so good at keeping up to date if the links still exist today.

    Never, ever buy domains just based on metrics. They are only useful for sorting through a big list of domains to pick out the ones you want to take a closer look at. Other than that, metrics are useless if you want to setup a private network.
    Thank's Mike for your advice.
    If I don't just base my PBN domains off metrics then what else can I use to pick names?
    I heard Topical Trust flow is another?

    Does the country TLD like .com.au for Australia have a better effect on an Australian PBN site or can I get away with just using .com .net .org ?
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  • Profile picture of the author jamesbrands
    Originally Posted by milliondollaraussie View Post

    Thanks for the tips.
    Now another question. Concerning the backlinks.
    In majestic it states how many backlinks a domain has but then also states how many IP reffering domains so what do I go off?

    I seen a domain which had 1,300 backlinks but only 3 ref IP's, is this still good or should there be hundreds of IP's which are better? I have access to PBNlab a great tool for crawling for expired domains and picked up thousands of names that only have low referring IP numbers but thousands of backlinks.
    The more quality referring domains the better.

    If you have thousands of links from only a few referring domains they are sitewide links, if the site owner removes that link the domain has lost all it's power and it's useless.
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    • Originally Posted by jamesbrands View Post

      The more quality referring domains the better.

      If you have thousands of links from only a few referring domains they are sitewide links, if the site owner removes that link the domain has lost all it's power and it's useless.
      Ah I can see what you mean now! I never looked at it like that.
      What minimum referring domains would you be normally looking for?
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  • Profile picture of the author topcoder
    TF and CF is just an opinion of an algo that has nothing to do with the real algo google uses and constantly tweaks.

    Just do your own research, it's not that hard. If SITE A is linking to this expired domain, go to SITE A and look for keywords in the "Title" and "H1" tags and search on them and see how they rank. If they rank well (It's a good backlink). If they don't, it's not a great backlink.

    If your link is on a page that has 50 links on it, (not much juice is going to come from it) - Use browser plug-in tools like link klipper to help you determine the power that link is going to supply.
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  • PBNs are good for raising the ranks quicker, but it is also a high maintenance method. If you are buying expired domains with high traffic, always check the history of its backlinks, so you can be rest assured that it will be safe to use.
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    • Thank's for the tips Terrence, I use PBNLab crawler to find the expired available domains so I'm up to over 200,000 names to choose from so that's why I thought I'd do my research on this forum first before diving into buying up a heap to create a PBN. Do you have much experience in building PBN's? Say if I built 10 PBN sites and then put my money site link on the home page of each over those 10 pages then how long normally would it take to see a change in ranking? Also, do the PBN's topical relevance really matter? If my money site was about dogs can I put that link on the homepage about cars?
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by milliondollaraussie View Post

        Thank's for the tips Terrence, I use PBNLab crawler to find the expired available domains so I'm up to over 200,000 names to choose from so that's why I thought I'd do my research on this forum first before diving into buying up a heap to create a PBN.
        MD beware - almost all crawler software out there spits out tons of horrible domains available that no one wants because of spam. The metrics even can look good but have tons of chinese spam links as the reason. Many of the sites are deindexed (which means google will not even list them if they are setup again).

        When that idea first came out years ago you COULD pick up great domains but today so many people have been crawling for so many years and the domain market has exploded its mostly a pile of junk

        To be honest the number one way to get a great domain at a low price now is drop catching - new domains that are becoming availalbe but are from registrars that do not put their expiring domains on auction.

        I'll probably do a whole course and publish it here for free so stay tuned(I sold hundreds of people training in PBNs years ago - more than anyone else here - and many built great PBNs that were never penalized
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        • Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post


          To be honest the number one way to get a great domain at a low price now is drop catching - new domains that are becoming availalbe but are from registrars that do not put their expiring domains on auction.
          Thank's for the feedback Mike! What registrar would you recommend to dropcatch domains without going to auction?

          Cheers!
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by milliondollaraussie View Post

            Thank's for the feedback Mike! What registrar would you recommend to dropcatch domains without going to auction?

            Cheers!
            I mention one here


            http://www.warriorforum.com/search-e...-part-one.html


            to be fair they are disappearing with more registrars getting into their own auctions (rather than the big three of snapnames. Namejet and Godaddy) . Auctions are big money but even some of those doing their own auctions (dynadot and Namesilo for eg) are not as well known as the big three and you can get cheap domains through them at times
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by milliondollaraussie View Post

        Thank's for the tips Terrence, I use PBNLab crawler to find the expired available domains so I'm up to over 200,000 names to choose from...


        Seriously, 200K domains?

        Must be the next Yun Ye.
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        • Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Seriously, 200K domains?

          Must be the next Yun Ye.
          Yep, over 200k domains now... majority of them Australian names since I crawled a directory. Now I have to work out what to do with them all.
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  • Profile picture of the author memogli
    Originally Posted by milliondollaraussie View Post

    I have access to an expired domain crawler which shows the trust flow and citation flow of the domains. I heard that having a ratio between the two closes to 1 is best.

    So if I found one that is TF 20 and CF 20 would that be ideal for setting a site up on?
    I know that there are lots of factors to take into account but everyone I ask seems to have there own opinions.

    I also read online that trust flow means that the amount of click throughs from the backlink and then others state its the quality and trustworthyness of the backlink.

    I am really keen on setting up a private blog network and begin buying expired domains with great metrics but want to make sure I do my homework before diving into the domain game.

    Has anyone got any experience in this field?
    The ratio between the above two metrics matters a lot in determining the overall trust of the site.
    Nearing to the ratio of 1 is desirable. Average trust to citation flow ratio should be 0.50. More the authority and trustworthy the site, the ratio is higher.

    If the trust flow is greatly lesser than the citation flow, then it is clear that the site is having low-quality large amount of backlinks.

    Increasing trust flow should be main goal.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by memogli View Post

      The ratio between the above two metrics matters a lot in determining the overall trust of the site.
      Nearing to the ratio of 1 is desirable. Average trust to citation flow ratio should be 0.50. More the authority and trustworthy the site, the ratio is higher.
      Just remember that the overall trust you are talking about is in the eyes of Majestic, not Google. Google may or may not feel the same way about the site. TF and CF are third party metrics not endorsed or used by any search engine.

      Sometimes they are fairly accurate. Sometimes they are not.
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  • Profile picture of the author mamadsouri
    Ideally CF should be twice the TF
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  • Profile picture of the author simitch
    I prefer to see back the domain properly. You may do more research on it. Thnaks
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